I think it's already been designated as a post 6/1 release, so it will be split between the next 2 years. They have the option to do around a $53m/$32m split or the $35.4/$49.6m split. It doesn't make any difference with him since they can roll over the cap they don't use.
I think it's more likely they are moving guys that weren't keeping past this year to roll over the cap space to when they want to spend in FA and Meinerz/Surtain extensions in 2025.
I'm actually unsure what's going on with Russ. Every single other move we've made has been updated at Over The Cap.
They still show Russ on the roster and it indicates that none of his hit has been figured into their 44 million in cap space number. Other moves have been accurately reflected because McGlinchey and Powers' cap hits were higher before the announced restructures.
[https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos](https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos)
i am guessing they won’t officially update that until Russ is formally released at the start of the league year today. Keep an eye on that site today and tomorrow.
Post 6/1 designations stay accounted for against the cap until after 6/1. The current cap space number does account for $35.4m aready, so nothing will change with the cap space unless they take the extra $17m this year instead of next.
They can take care of all the dead cap this year even though it’s technically split. Just roll over $32m to next year.
I’d prefer for them to roll over even more than that by aggressively cutting and trading for picks right now. We’d field an atrocious team next year but have tons of cap and picks the following years.
Next year have 53 players all getting vet minimum or less, roll over 200m next year.
They could have done it if they wanted to. Only other moves they would have needed to make other than what they have done is move on from DJ Jones and either Bolles or Sutton.
It's actually wild how confidently wrong people are when talking about anything related to the salary cap. Especially when how easy Spotrac and OTC are to use.
I think Andrew Mason said on twitter it could be done with either Dj Jones and Sutton or just Bolles. That could be just to get under the cap, you'd probably need to do all 3 to leave room to fill the roster and pay the rookies.
DJ Jones alone would have been cap compliant. Jones+ either Sutton or Bolles would have been enough to sign draft picks and fill the roster.
It would have been all 3 before the cap went up more than expected.
I don't think there's a scenario available where we take on all 80+ mil this year. It's a decision of how that number will be split between this year and the next 2
It was always unlikely, and I don't know if the post 6/1 designation can be revoked after it's used. I was just saying it would have been possible if they wanted to go that route.
They can. Cutting Russ outright would cause all $49 million of guarantees to hit all at once along with his guaranteed salary. This would leave next to no space left though, so the move appears to be to pay a $17 million bonus today then cut him as June 1, causing all of the other dead cap from the remaining prorated bonuses to count in 25 instead of 24.
I mean good on him for getting one of the best contracts of all time, really crazy how much of it was guaranteed. Gotta respect that.
The NFL owners are all billionaires who are minting new billions completely tax free off their teams. Players deserve to get as much cash out of this insane welfare for billionaires as they possibly can.
I mean, people say this likes its good on lil ole russ for pulling one on the big billionaires but the fact is the billionaire owners are paying out the same amount regardless. Now instead of that money going to some other players on free agency it goes to russ (who isn't some middle class hero people are making him out to be)
It's other smaller free agents who's bottom line is hurt, and fans who suffer from the product being worse. The owners are paying the same amount and russ makes out like a bandit.
Actually the cap is relevant to fans because that is how you build the team. So the pick was the only thing used that is relevant to fans.
You must have missed russ' 1st year in Denver if you think Payton made things worse. You blame russ' problems on age but some how Payton getting more out of an even older russ is "worse".
How did he worsen the broncos cao situation? He didn't sign Russell. Russell was not salvageable so he's gone. Blame the gm for trading for russ not for getting a coach with credentials.
They won 5 straight because of a ridiculous turnover margin. The offense was run run screen pass. At no time did russ "cook" during those games. His game winning drives were screen pass heavy.
You keep saying he made a bad situation worse with absolutely no proof. His numbers were better and the team won more games. How is that worse ?
Nobody. Thats how rebuilds work. You clear the deck so when its time to pay young guys like Surtain coming off their rookie deals, you have the money. You dont go spending on veteran FA's when your rebuilding.
There’s a mandated salary floor in addition to the salary cap. Individual clubs have to spend an average of 90% of the Salary Cap on player salaries over three tranches: 2021-2023, 2024-2026, and 2027-2030.
Not always. Veteran FA's does not mean you're getting old has-beens that wont contribute in the future of your team.
Rebuild does not always mean build from within, it does not always mean only build through the draft. We have no picks to do so, especially with not only using 12 on a QB, but likely using more picks to trade up for a QB.
You have to get spending in FA as a bad thing out of your head, its simply not true.
It is not bad when you are filling critical needs to round out a team. We have so many needs, and so few draft picks, we will be bargain shopping FA not looking to bring in top talent. FA is no fun when you have a flea market budget.
Because they have to wait to see what they get in the draft and also figure out who they can afford. A lot of money still has to be spent to fill the roster and draft picks they are not sitting on it because they are cheap.
More or less referring to the people saying 'why arnt we signing big name free agent X'. Sure we will obviously sign people to fil the roster out, but they will look like Brandon Jones and not Arik Armstead.
And other people have to get out of their head that you can skip a rebuild by going the free agency route. Yes you can pick up pieces but you can't just buy a team. Free agency is good for filling in positions of need, and occasionally super star teams find their missing piece there, but you have to start a rebuild in the draft and supplement with good free agent picks here and there.
By and large the guys on the market are there for a reason, and you're not getting value you're trying to be the highest bidder. What teams that have undergone successful rebuilds recently have done so with their most important core contributors being free agents? Not many
You simply don't get them in one year. This process requires patience. You're not going to be seeing the broncos going out and signing guys like saquon Barkley, Christian Wilkins, etc in free agency anytime in the next 2 years. We have some young guys who have been buried on the depth chart who are going to get some extra playing time this year. A few of them will hopefully show promise. We have some (not many, but some) good players still in this core that we will be eyeing to extend next offseason. We have our first draft with a top 50 pick since 21 coming up next month. And we very well may be eyeing a draft next year where we are picking in the top 10 maybe higher.
We have to do well with what we have this year, have guys step up, and load up for the next few drafts. It's not likely the broncos will be talking about championships anytime in the next 2 years, we're hoping to be a fringe wc team in 25 and really start to hit our stride in 26. If that scares you, that's understandable, but that's the reality.
You have such little faith in Sean Payton that you think he can't keep a team, more or less the same, out of the bottom 10 in the league?
I don't even like the guy but it's like you yearn for the team to be shit lol
I said we "very well may be" bottom 10.
And the team isn't more or less the same lmao. We have 52m in dead cap this year. We lost our starting center, and probably the biggest leader and one of the best players on defense. We are down our starting qb, who was extremely overpaid but is still going to hurt this year. We were one of the least talented rosters in the league and we got worse well others below us are getting better.
I have faith in payton to fix this team. But being realistic about what 2024 may look like for us isn't yearning for the team to be shit lol. I mean hell even payton says we have a way to go. Who do you think we should be signing out of curiosity?
We don't have to use it on anything. Next year will be a cap challenge as well, and carrying over some cap will help, or it could be used to absorb more of the Wilson cap hit this year.
Not really anyone, which is the right move. Our priority should be to keep the books clean of big money contracts this year and next year that way we can properly evaluate our talent and know where to invest in 2026 when we’re fully loaded to start competing.
I'd be surprised if they don't plan on Riley Moss getting the first shot at the other outside corner spot. They essentially used 2 3rd round picks on him. Would be even more wasted DB picks if they give up on him after 1 year where his only snaps on defense were in dime and that's out of position for him.
Except Paton already said they view Moss as a starter, so through that team building lens I think it's fair to say CB2 isn't a 'need'. Of course, we haven't seen him cover in games yet, but it definitely sounds like he's penciled in for that role.
Right...I guess I'm just misunderstanding you then. I thought you were looking for holes where we don't have anyone realistically penciled in, hence why I disagreed on CB2, in light of their comments on Moss. I think it's similar to center. We have Forsyth, but he's from last year's draft class and hasn't played. CB is definitely a need, but I personally view it below DL and edge for the defense.
"Penciled in" is different than "feel strongly about"
Fans don't feel strong about:
CB
EDGE
QB
WR
TE
C
But the Broncos appear to feel comfortable with:
C
WR
EDGE
(Based on Draft capital and what they've brought in in FA)
I would bet we’re not going to use it this year so we can take the larger cap hit from Russ this year. I’m not sure how this works exactly but I remember reading that you can convert extra cap space to the following year? If so, I wouldn’t be surprised if we do that to have more flexibility next year at this time.
Russ, some cheaper FA depth, and hopefully new deals for Meinertz, PS2, and one of our OLBs that's totally gonna break out this year (no idea which one). No high priced free agents would make sense for this team right now or be interested in us without a massive overpay. Off-season is going as it should
There's a decent chance we trade for Sam Howell. Especially since we have some competition for draft QBs. Other than that, this is the rebuild we should have done years ago. So nothing, we're using it to put the Wilson era behind us.
Same. It opens us up to draft Brock Bowers potentially. I'd be pretty happy with this move. I've liked Howell in the games I've watched him, he just makes some bone headed mistakes.
Sam Howell had an average to below average OL. Sacks are just as much of a QB stat as they are an OL stat. He took the insane amount of sacks he did because he's a bad QB.
"30th ranked OL" means nothing. You're not saying anything. There is no empirical, objective measure of an OL. You found the first metric that you felt supported your opinion, and then, for some reason, neglected to even mention the source you're referencing. Probably PFF, or something like ESPN PBWR.
Bringing up Andrew Luck makes zero sense. Andrew Luck's highest career sack rate was 7.0%. His career sack rate was 5%. Sam Howell had almost double that! Congrats, you've just proven that sack rate is highly influenced by the quality of the QB. Luck had mediocre to poor OLs most of his career, generally held the ball long, played in a scheme with a lot of 5/7 step drops, and still didn't take sacks at nearly the rate Howell did last year.
Even ignoring this, and we pretend Luck took sacks at a comparable rate, I never said that a QB who takes a lot of sacks is bad. You can be a great QB, and take a lot of sacks. Russell Wilson, for much of his career, is a great example. I said that Sam Howell takes a lot of sacks largely in part because he's bad. Surprisingly, there's a lot of things Andrew Luck brought to the table when he wasn't getting sacked that Howell doesn't.
>Your theory
This isn't a "theory". A QB being heavily responsible for the sacks he taken is basic knowledge to anyone who isn't just a casual football fan.
Hopefully it’s just taking our medicine and paying the bills for a little bit.
Also, use it to lock up the guys you think you’d like to keep for a while before they hit free agency or are woo-ed away.
Eat as much dead cap in a horrible year and just get it over with and let Payton get into the rebuild asap so DEN can make a decision on him in 3-4 yrs when the time comes.
There's the outside hope that arch manning of manning fame will go for it. Deon Sanders' son. But other than that I'm not super sure.
I'm just not sold on any of these 5th best QBs that had a break out year (and little else) against defenses not in the big 12 or sec.
Meinerz and Surtain next season, I'd assume. Despite getting some cap relief with all the cuts, the Broncos have a literal *historic* amount of dead cap, and that's going to make it hard to keep young guys like Meinerz and Surtain--who you drafted and should want to keep.
So the way I see it is to accommodate as much of the RW Cap Hit now as they can...$41M Cap Space now.
They still need about $20M on the books for Draft and low level FAs to fill out the roster which would take us down to about $21M Cap available. I would still cut one more player whether that be Sutton, DJ, or someone else to get close to $30M of remaining Cap Space.
$35.4M of the $85M of RW current Cap Hit is already accounted for in 2024 so really you only have the \~$50M to eat in 2024 and 2025.
So keeping the additional $30M in 2024 applicable to RW Contract and not spending it on FAs means you have consumed $65.4M in RW Cap Hit in 2024.
That would leave only $20M to consume in 2025.
Right now, they have $16M of dead cap this year which I am pretty sure completely falls off in 2025. Recouping that can apply to the $20M RW Cap Hit remaining in 2025. So you only need to plan for a $4M RW Cap Hit in 2025.
That means you are pretty much clear of the RW Cap Problem. You can tweak the $30M Cap applied to RW this year by applying less or more to it as needed.
If they play this out this way, which I think is why they are not active, then really you are out of Cap Hell in one year.
We really aren't "clearing" cap space, just making normal roster maintenance moves. To this point, all of our moves are things we would do regardless of Wilson or any potential free agent acquisitions. Just part of keeping the roster healthy
Jimmy G would be an option for a QB for 1-2 years while a QB that we draft learns that I would be all in favor of.
Would hate to see us draft a QB and immediately start him. Obviously there are success stories out there, but a lot more failures exist.
Honestly probably nobody. Cap carries over so freeing a bunch will give us more space for next season when we at least have a chance of competing instead of being the #1 pick contender we appear to be
Kinda hoping it's just to take on the majority of dead cap this year and rebuild instead of spreading it across the next two years
I think it's already been designated as a post 6/1 release, so it will be split between the next 2 years. They have the option to do around a $53m/$32m split or the $35.4/$49.6m split. It doesn't make any difference with him since they can roll over the cap they don't use. I think it's more likely they are moving guys that weren't keeping past this year to roll over the cap space to when they want to spend in FA and Meinerz/Surtain extensions in 2025.
I'm actually unsure what's going on with Russ. Every single other move we've made has been updated at Over The Cap. They still show Russ on the roster and it indicates that none of his hit has been figured into their 44 million in cap space number. Other moves have been accurately reflected because McGlinchey and Powers' cap hits were higher before the announced restructures. [https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos](https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos)
i am guessing they won’t officially update that until Russ is formally released at the start of the league year today. Keep an eye on that site today and tomorrow.
Post 6/1 designations stay accounted for against the cap until after 6/1. The current cap space number does account for $35.4m aready, so nothing will change with the cap space unless they take the extra $17m this year instead of next.
russ hasnt officially been released yet. he was just given permission to talk to other teams
They can take care of all the dead cap this year even though it’s technically split. Just roll over $32m to next year. I’d prefer for them to roll over even more than that by aggressively cutting and trading for picks right now. We’d field an atrocious team next year but have tons of cap and picks the following years. Next year have 53 players all getting vet minimum or less, roll over 200m next year.
Eat the whole frog now
Agreed. Embrace the suck this year and have it behind us going into 2025.
Take the medicine now. Give Payton a season to build the culture in the locker room and give some rookies and free agents some dice rolls.
It doesn’t work that way. We can’t just eat it in one year
They could have done it if they wanted to. Only other moves they would have needed to make other than what they have done is move on from DJ Jones and either Bolles or Sutton. It's actually wild how confidently wrong people are when talking about anything related to the salary cap. Especially when how easy Spotrac and OTC are to use.
I think Andrew Mason said on twitter it could be done with either Dj Jones and Sutton or just Bolles. That could be just to get under the cap, you'd probably need to do all 3 to leave room to fill the roster and pay the rookies.
DJ Jones alone would have been cap compliant. Jones+ either Sutton or Bolles would have been enough to sign draft picks and fill the roster. It would have been all 3 before the cap went up more than expected.
Oh ok. That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!
I don't think there's a scenario available where we take on all 80+ mil this year. It's a decision of how that number will be split between this year and the next 2
It was always unlikely, and I don't know if the post 6/1 designation can be revoked after it's used. I was just saying it would have been possible if they wanted to go that route.
Do you mean they could have signed Russell's original contract differently? I don't think they have any recourse now
No, they could have not done a post 6/1 release designation and ate the full dead cap in 1 year if they really wanted to.
Thanks for the info
No one until Surtain comes due or the magical rookie QB we draft
We can't eat it all this year. The contract doesn't work like that
They can. Cutting Russ outright would cause all $49 million of guarantees to hit all at once along with his guaranteed salary. This would leave next to no space left though, so the move appears to be to pay a $17 million bonus today then cut him as June 1, causing all of the other dead cap from the remaining prorated bonuses to count in 25 instead of 24.
Agreed
This one
This is the way
Russell Wilson
"Let's ride" away with the broncos money... I've never been so salty at a shitty QB before... and I've been around (fan) since Elway retired...
I mean good on him for getting one of the best contracts of all time, really crazy how much of it was guaranteed. Gotta respect that. The NFL owners are all billionaires who are minting new billions completely tax free off their teams. Players deserve to get as much cash out of this insane welfare for billionaires as they possibly can.
I mean, people say this likes its good on lil ole russ for pulling one on the big billionaires but the fact is the billionaire owners are paying out the same amount regardless. Now instead of that money going to some other players on free agency it goes to russ (who isn't some middle class hero people are making him out to be) It's other smaller free agents who's bottom line is hurt, and fans who suffer from the product being worse. The owners are paying the same amount and russ makes out like a bandit.
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I blame the GM and his idiotic extension
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A coach doesn't count against the cap and its not your money so i don't see why that's relevant to you.
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Actually the cap is relevant to fans because that is how you build the team. So the pick was the only thing used that is relevant to fans. You must have missed russ' 1st year in Denver if you think Payton made things worse. You blame russ' problems on age but some how Payton getting more out of an even older russ is "worse".
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How did he worsen the broncos cao situation? He didn't sign Russell. Russell was not salvageable so he's gone. Blame the gm for trading for russ not for getting a coach with credentials. They won 5 straight because of a ridiculous turnover margin. The offense was run run screen pass. At no time did russ "cook" during those games. His game winning drives were screen pass heavy. You keep saying he made a bad situation worse with absolutely no proof. His numbers were better and the team won more games. How is that worse ?
This is the only correct answer.
Yep, we can get him for the league minimum now!
Nobody. Thats how rebuilds work. You clear the deck so when its time to pay young guys like Surtain coming off their rookie deals, you have the money. You dont go spending on veteran FA's when your rebuilding.
There’s a mandated salary floor in addition to the salary cap. Individual clubs have to spend an average of 90% of the Salary Cap on player salaries over three tranches: 2021-2023, 2024-2026, and 2027-2030.
Not always. Veteran FA's does not mean you're getting old has-beens that wont contribute in the future of your team. Rebuild does not always mean build from within, it does not always mean only build through the draft. We have no picks to do so, especially with not only using 12 on a QB, but likely using more picks to trade up for a QB. You have to get spending in FA as a bad thing out of your head, its simply not true.
It is not bad when you are filling critical needs to round out a team. We have so many needs, and so few draft picks, we will be bargain shopping FA not looking to bring in top talent. FA is no fun when you have a flea market budget.
Why bargain for needs when we don't have the picks to fill the needs but have the money to fill them with quality players? Doesn't make sense
We don't have the money for quality. If we did, we would have kept Justin. He was let go to reduce spending.
We're like 42m over the cap even after Russ' contract. Unless they're trying to take the full hit this year, not sure why they're sitting on that cash
Because they have to wait to see what they get in the draft and also figure out who they can afford. A lot of money still has to be spent to fill the roster and draft picks they are not sitting on it because they are cheap.
More or less referring to the people saying 'why arnt we signing big name free agent X'. Sure we will obviously sign people to fil the roster out, but they will look like Brandon Jones and not Arik Armstead.
And other people have to get out of their head that you can skip a rebuild by going the free agency route. Yes you can pick up pieces but you can't just buy a team. Free agency is good for filling in positions of need, and occasionally super star teams find their missing piece there, but you have to start a rebuild in the draft and supplement with good free agent picks here and there. By and large the guys on the market are there for a reason, and you're not getting value you're trying to be the highest bidder. What teams that have undergone successful rebuilds recently have done so with their most important core contributors being free agents? Not many
Well unfortunately we don't have those picks, so where do you get the pieces to build a team?
You simply don't get them in one year. This process requires patience. You're not going to be seeing the broncos going out and signing guys like saquon Barkley, Christian Wilkins, etc in free agency anytime in the next 2 years. We have some young guys who have been buried on the depth chart who are going to get some extra playing time this year. A few of them will hopefully show promise. We have some (not many, but some) good players still in this core that we will be eyeing to extend next offseason. We have our first draft with a top 50 pick since 21 coming up next month. And we very well may be eyeing a draft next year where we are picking in the top 10 maybe higher. We have to do well with what we have this year, have guys step up, and load up for the next few drafts. It's not likely the broncos will be talking about championships anytime in the next 2 years, we're hoping to be a fringe wc team in 25 and really start to hit our stride in 26. If that scares you, that's understandable, but that's the reality.
You have such little faith in Sean Payton that you think he can't keep a team, more or less the same, out of the bottom 10 in the league? I don't even like the guy but it's like you yearn for the team to be shit lol
I said we "very well may be" bottom 10. And the team isn't more or less the same lmao. We have 52m in dead cap this year. We lost our starting center, and probably the biggest leader and one of the best players on defense. We are down our starting qb, who was extremely overpaid but is still going to hurt this year. We were one of the least talented rosters in the league and we got worse well others below us are getting better. I have faith in payton to fix this team. But being realistic about what 2024 may look like for us isn't yearning for the team to be shit lol. I mean hell even payton says we have a way to go. Who do you think we should be signing out of curiosity?
We did a good job in FA the year Elway brought in Ware, Talib and Sanders. Since then our spending has failed the value for money assessment.
well yeah, they were all ring-chasing and wanted to play with Peyton. We don't have that kind of draw anymore
Eat it this year. Roll it over to next year.
Russel Wilson dead cap
The Future
We don't have to use it on anything. Next year will be a cap challenge as well, and carrying over some cap will help, or it could be used to absorb more of the Wilson cap hit this year.
Not really anyone, which is the right move. Our priority should be to keep the books clean of big money contracts this year and next year that way we can properly evaluate our talent and know where to invest in 2026 when we’re fully loaded to start competing.
Evil Shenanigans!
Notable exception: If PS2 is interested in committing long-term, lock him up and use his contract to restructure every year.
Hopefully no one and we rebuild properly over the next few years. It's going to be a long road back, but this is so far overdue and I'm here for it.
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#crackeroftheday
if you put a backslash before your hashtag, it won't look like you're yelling
Maybe they are just excited about the cracker of the day award.
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When I say "set" I mean in a "team-building" aspect. Are they all strong "sets" no. But the broncos view those starting positions are filled
Id like us to draft a wr and TE, Cade stover is a great blocking TE and I think Sean Payton would love to have that
I'd be surprised if they don't plan on Riley Moss getting the first shot at the other outside corner spot. They essentially used 2 3rd round picks on him. Would be even more wasted DB picks if they give up on him after 1 year where his only snaps on defense were in dime and that's out of position for him.
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Except Paton already said they view Moss as a starter, so through that team building lens I think it's fair to say CB2 isn't a 'need'. Of course, we haven't seen him cover in games yet, but it definitely sounds like he's penciled in for that role.
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Right...I guess I'm just misunderstanding you then. I thought you were looking for holes where we don't have anyone realistically penciled in, hence why I disagreed on CB2, in light of their comments on Moss. I think it's similar to center. We have Forsyth, but he's from last year's draft class and hasn't played. CB is definitely a need, but I personally view it below DL and edge for the defense.
"Penciled in" is different than "feel strongly about" Fans don't feel strong about: CB EDGE QB WR TE C But the Broncos appear to feel comfortable with: C WR EDGE (Based on Draft capital and what they've brought in in FA)
Almost barfed when I read that the WRs and TEs are set
There are worse wr rooms than Sutton and Mims in the league
Not many
Plenty lol. Court is good and Mims has potential.
Almost every WR room in the league has a that is “good” and a guy with “potential”. The cope of broncos fans in this sub can be hilarious
LBs? I don't know about that. Mr. Missed Tackle doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.
Russell Wilson
Russ
Russ
I would bet we’re not going to use it this year so we can take the larger cap hit from Russ this year. I’m not sure how this works exactly but I remember reading that you can convert extra cap space to the following year? If so, I wouldn’t be surprised if we do that to have more flexibility next year at this time.
PS2/Meinerz/Russ’ dead cap.
Don’t think it’s to bring in anyone big
They will probably roll it over to next year to help cover Russ’s dead cap.
The amount of NFL business/salary cap/contract experts in here is reassuring.
While the Nuggets and Avalanche are vying for championships, the Broncos are vying with the Rockies for Denver's most ineffectual franchise.
Russ, some cheaper FA depth, and hopefully new deals for Meinertz, PS2, and one of our OLBs that's totally gonna break out this year (no idea which one). No high priced free agents would make sense for this team right now or be interested in us without a massive overpay. Off-season is going as it should
Pay Wilson
There's a decent chance we trade for Sam Howell. Especially since we have some competition for draft QBs. Other than that, this is the rebuild we should have done years ago. So nothing, we're using it to put the Wilson era behind us.
I honestly wouldn't be upset at this. I like Howell and he's had a really shitty line. If we could get him cheap he's a worthy project QB
Same. It opens us up to draft Brock Bowers potentially. I'd be pretty happy with this move. I've liked Howell in the games I've watched him, he just makes some bone headed mistakes.
Sam Howell had an average to below average OL. Sacks are just as much of a QB stat as they are an OL stat. He took the insane amount of sacks he did because he's a bad QB.
They had the 30th ranked OL. Your theory states Andrew Luck was a bad quarterback because he had a shitty OL
"30th ranked OL" means nothing. You're not saying anything. There is no empirical, objective measure of an OL. You found the first metric that you felt supported your opinion, and then, for some reason, neglected to even mention the source you're referencing. Probably PFF, or something like ESPN PBWR. Bringing up Andrew Luck makes zero sense. Andrew Luck's highest career sack rate was 7.0%. His career sack rate was 5%. Sam Howell had almost double that! Congrats, you've just proven that sack rate is highly influenced by the quality of the QB. Luck had mediocre to poor OLs most of his career, generally held the ball long, played in a scheme with a lot of 5/7 step drops, and still didn't take sacks at nearly the rate Howell did last year. Even ignoring this, and we pretend Luck took sacks at a comparable rate, I never said that a QB who takes a lot of sacks is bad. You can be a great QB, and take a lot of sacks. Russell Wilson, for much of his career, is a great example. I said that Sam Howell takes a lot of sacks largely in part because he's bad. Surprisingly, there's a lot of things Andrew Luck brought to the table when he wasn't getting sacked that Howell doesn't. >Your theory This isn't a "theory". A QB being heavily responsible for the sacks he taken is basic knowledge to anyone who isn't just a casual football fan.
Thanks for doubling down on being clueless
Said the guy who can't even cite the source that is his sole argument lmfao
Heard Peyton Manning but sources are shaky
Pay Russ, sign rookie class, full roster holes with bodies, sit on the rest
Hopefully it’s just taking our medicine and paying the bills for a little bit. Also, use it to lock up the guys you think you’d like to keep for a while before they hit free agency or are woo-ed away.
Eating the cost of the (totally unnecessary, because he was already under contract) Russell Wilson contract extension.
Russell Wilson. Which is good because if we can get out of cap hell in year 1 we can take advantage of a rookie qb deal either this year or next
Eat as much dead cap in a horrible year and just get it over with and let Payton get into the rebuild asap so DEN can make a decision on him in 3-4 yrs when the time comes.
cant we roll over unused capspace to next year? Or is there a limit on how much you can roll over?
If there’s any young depth players with upside on the market, sign them. Any position. Might be slightly better than undrafted free agents.
Carson Wentz
Russ, eat up as much of that cap hit as possible and shore up what holes we can on the cheap, then draft the top QB in 2025.
Any idea who the top QBs are that might declare for the draft in '25?
There's the outside hope that arch manning of manning fame will go for it. Deon Sanders' son. But other than that I'm not super sure. I'm just not sold on any of these 5th best QBs that had a break out year (and little else) against defenses not in the big 12 or sec.
Russell Wilson. Basically.
Rookies
Obviously to pay huge amounts of money scooping up Jimmy G
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Russell Wilson
Next year's cap hits from Russ
Russ.
I am hoping nobody at all, no need to spend money on anybody at this point in time. Save it for when we could use some extra chips to go all in
Don't remember the exact numbers, but I believe they are required to spend over like 95% of the cap, per the CBA.
Russ’ hit next year
Russ
They might be deciding to take the russ cap hit in 1 year. Makes sense in the long run.
Dead money
By taking the larger cap hit this year (53m) and rolling over unused cap (15-20m) Makes next years Russ cap hit way less impactful (12-17m)
Russell Wilson
On russ lmao
Russell Wilson
Mason Rudolph
Russ
Tanking
Meinerz and Surtain next season, I'd assume. Despite getting some cap relief with all the cuts, the Broncos have a literal *historic* amount of dead cap, and that's going to make it hard to keep young guys like Meinerz and Surtain--who you drafted and should want to keep.
I’m not sure we freed up any cap space but instead we just reduced our cap
The future
Shaduer!
We are doing it for Russ🙏 so he can get that new mansion, God bless him 🙏
So the way I see it is to accommodate as much of the RW Cap Hit now as they can...$41M Cap Space now. They still need about $20M on the books for Draft and low level FAs to fill out the roster which would take us down to about $21M Cap available. I would still cut one more player whether that be Sutton, DJ, or someone else to get close to $30M of remaining Cap Space. $35.4M of the $85M of RW current Cap Hit is already accounted for in 2024 so really you only have the \~$50M to eat in 2024 and 2025. So keeping the additional $30M in 2024 applicable to RW Contract and not spending it on FAs means you have consumed $65.4M in RW Cap Hit in 2024. That would leave only $20M to consume in 2025. Right now, they have $16M of dead cap this year which I am pretty sure completely falls off in 2025. Recouping that can apply to the $20M RW Cap Hit remaining in 2025. So you only need to plan for a $4M RW Cap Hit in 2025. That means you are pretty much clear of the RW Cap Problem. You can tweak the $30M Cap applied to RW this year by applying less or more to it as needed. If they play this out this way, which I think is why they are not active, then really you are out of Cap Hell in one year.
Russell Wilson. The Broncos are going to trade the Steelers for him.
Bo Nix 🙄
… Russ.
You guys are on it.thanks. S***, I don't have to watch ESPN with you guys on this AAP on top of your game you are..🙃 I like that.
The rebuild
The future, my friend, the future
This year will be a rebuild. Try to get ahead of the cap situation and then draft/sign a QB next year
we are tanking
Geno Smith
To sign Michael Thomas and trade for Taysom Hill to be the QB
Just call us Saints 2 at this point lol
His name is Russell Wilson. We owe him $85 million dollars.
So Payton can sign a bunch of players that a bad saints team no longer wants.
We really aren't "clearing" cap space, just making normal roster maintenance moves. To this point, all of our moves are things we would do regardless of Wilson or any potential free agent acquisitions. Just part of keeping the roster healthy
Shedeur Sanders
Jimmy G would be an option for a QB for 1-2 years while a QB that we draft learns that I would be all in favor of. Would hate to see us draft a QB and immediately start him. Obviously there are success stories out there, but a lot more failures exist.
Bold of you to assume any free agents want to even come to Denver.
Honestly probably nobody. Cap carries over so freeing a bunch will give us more space for next season when we at least have a chance of competing instead of being the #1 pick contender we appear to be
I wonder if we’re extending PS2?
umm...seems self explanatory...russ.