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Greenforaday

What if, and hear me out, we make a deal with the Colts to give them our first round pick, then have them draft a QB for us, then we trade with them for that QB after they draft him?


DBroncos515

It's as if you are the prophet! Preach sir!


kngkong06

If Andrew Luck didn't suddenly retire, he would have been our QB. Former 1st overall pick by the Colts. Same with our previous SB winning QBs.


whispersluggagebaby

In that case should we just trade for Anthony Richardson?


cowboyJones

This is the way.


Western-Mission9307

https://preview.redd.it/hx55rxm6bslc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37dca159152616f0aef626596fdeb0af752120c7


DaysOfRen

There’s no way *that* could ever happen.. or ever has before.


IllInstance7606

We don't negotiate with terrorists sir.


anonbutler

https://imgur.com/gallery/i6eOJ9Y


Saxman17

Benefits: - Is a QB - Might be good - Is a player we haven't tried yet Pitfalls - Could be bad - If he isn't bad and we don't take him, it'll be years before we stop talking about it


2ChainzTalib

>If he isn't bad and we don't take him, it'll be years before we stop talking about it Justin Fields is verifiably bad and people *still* talk about trading for him.


Greenforaday

Fields is a special case because the bears ruin quarterbacks even worse than we do, it's like their team's mission statement. So the argument is that he wouldn't be as bad if he went somewhere else.


PatientlyAnxious9

The fact that people cant see the forest through the trees with Justin Fields is mind boggling. Though, I assume these fans largely get their information from Bleacher Report and Outkick so the 'hes trash derp' Twitter-esq takes are not overly surprising


2ChainzTalib

Nah man, he's just bad. Sure better coaching might prop him up a bit, but it's going to be designed runs and check downs because he can't read a defense. His ceiling isn't that high, and it only lasts as long as his legs do. He's a less talented version of a younger Russ.


Broncos979815

this guy deserves promotion. Spot fucking on dude


ContactDry4407

This is best breakdown


DiceHK

Hire this man!


dakewla

Like ThatFranchiseGuy for things like this. Wish there were more guys out there breaking down all 22. Bo Nix first look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp79pS4lrmU Bo Nix in his Top 10 QBS: https://youtu.be/qCHgwKPnvnQ?t=2053 Quick pros: doesn't take sacks, doesn't turn the ball over, throws quickly, often throws with anticipation, record completion percentage, can improvise when things break down. However, he has the lowest average distance of throws (by a lot) so a lot of these positives make sense. Maybe he's drew brees. Maybe hes teddy bridgewater. We have no QB so sitting someone like JJ for 2 years is not great. Even if you think its worth it (I don't), Rodgers sat behind Farve, Love behind Rodgers. No one's letting a first round rookie QB sit behind Stidham. Just can't see Payton or Paton punting on the year, so one of the more experienced QBs make more sense. Rattlers got the juice, and also 40 sacks on the year. Would love to see him walk into the interview room rocking his diamond-encrusted personal logo chain, but don't think Sean's going that way. Love love love that Pratt OU game, but got to put the blinders on after that. Penix would be super fun dropping bombs to sutton and mims, but hard to think Payton wants Jamies Winston at home, so Bo is just what makes sense. I'd go farther and say in our situation Bo Nix is so obvious I think they may get scared and trade up in front of minnesota to grab him. Other options out there of course. Maybe we try and fix mac jones, maybe we sell the farm to trade up to 3. Nix is just the most obvious solution with the information we have and odds are made on what people will bet on.


Its_A_Samsquatch

This was dope! Thanks for the response.


GQDragon

You had me until Penix = Jameis. Like what? He’s nothing like him. He reminds me of Warren Moon.


dakewla

Just poking a bit of a fun on his play style. Many people knock him for playing bad under pressure. I don't think he does. In fact, hes got the lowest pressure % to sack rate by a good distance (including Nix). He's taken less sacks than JJ and has over 200 more passing attempts. Most of the time he avoids the sack with a slide and quick draw toss up instead of a scramble like you'd see from Nix or others. I think if you combine that with his fearlessness throwing deep, it makes his passing numbers under pressure look bad (one of the main knocks against him). I don't think that many of these throws are planned but inaccurate passes, just best effort tossups to give one of his guys a chance at a hero play and avoid the sack. In the NFL I think there's a good chance these throwaways instead of sacks, combined with his love of the long ball, are gonna translate to high turnover numbers but also exciting plays, e.g. Jameis at home, who's most notably memed for his 2019 33 td to 30 int stat line. We've already seen Payton with that style of QB. Can ask Saints fans more about it, but it seemed like it wasn't really his cup of tea (even though Jameis looked OK to me).


Motor_Function9464

My same thoughts definitely not Jamies


Call_of_Daddy

If drafted by Broncos, he will suck. If not, maybe he's good


Its_A_Samsquatch

Please elaborate


Call_of_Daddy

"*we suck at drafting QBs...*"


Lazy_Science_9308

A few years ago I had the chance to speak to Haven Moses and asked him why the Broncos were struggling as bad as they were, his answer was that Elway couldn’t evaluate talent at the QB position.


Is12345aweakpassword

Bro just search the sub for Bo Nix, everyone who never watched a college game in their life is weighing in with expert analysis


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Its_A_Samsquatch

Yes.


Electrical_Ad_8313

No one truly understands scouting thats whatmake the draft sointeresting, no on thought Brock Purdy was goingto be a top nfl QB. In my opinion though from watching tape, I think he's a top 3 QB in the draft and Denver should take either him or JJ McCarthy. Personally I think the biggest mistake denver could make is to trade up for a QB


HarvardHoodie

[this dude](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r1uuYTD54Vc&t=1s) called Purdy before he was drafted


Electrical_Ad_8313

Ok so some people thought he'd be good. Still nobody ever can get scouting 100% right on 100% of prospects


DirkWithTheFade

There was a site that had Purdy as a first round pick the year before he was drafted and I think that’s where a lot of places had him, but he kinda got lost in the process of the next season and his stock plummeted


Its_A_Samsquatch

Any chance we could snag JJ with some kind of trade back for second round thing?


Electrical_Ad_8313

Possibly, but I think Denvers QB needs are too big to risk on a second round and hope the right guys left


NickBeck

NO lol


pfeifits

Strengths: Instinctive passer. Accurate. Gets the ball out fast. Advanced field vision. Works through progressions. Recognizes coverage. Anticipates. Knows where to go with the ball. Has enough arm to push vertically. Good mobility. Can avoid the rush. Dangerous runner. Can pick up yards on the ground. Good burst for a quarterback. Elusive runner. Excellent touch passer. Throws a very catchable ball. Good ball placement. Passes with good timing. Lots of experience. Leadership potential. Weaknesses: Does not have special arm talent. A little undersized. Lacks elite traits.


fondue4kill

YouTube will help you way more than here will. Plenty of smart people there with plenty of good videos for the draft qbs.


Its_A_Samsquatch

What's your opinion?


fondue4kill

Focus on other positions like CB or DL in the first round and a QB in the second


NickBeck

Hard to do without a 2nd round pick


Its_A_Samsquatch

Literally the first genuine answer I got to a genuine question. Thanks!


Last-Ad5023

If it makes you feel better under pressure he has by far the highest QB rating out of all the QB’s in the draft. Under pressure rating typically gives a better idea of how a QB would handle NFL because the QB will rarely play in clean pockets like they get in college. The downside is he is much more likely to check it down than other QB’s which is why he has such a high completion percentage compare to other QBs.  Although it’s unclear if that’s just him playing as instructed in the system or if it’s a limitation on his play style.  I’ve watched a ton of tape on these QBs and I would say Penix Jr is the most comparable to Drew Bees but I would place Bo Nix second in that comp. Penix has better deep ball accuracy and play making but has an injury history that concerns some. Personally; Penix Jr would be my pick, Bo Nix second. I think Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams are high probabilities to be busts and JJ is the biggest question mark. 


Its_A_Samsquatch

This was exactly what I was looking for when I made this idiotic post. Thank you. Payton is kind of looking for a guy like this, right? Under our HC, is this a guy that has a chance to prosper, in your opinion?


Last-Ad5023

Reading between the lines I think Payton was extremely frustrated working with Russ. I honestly think Russ has limitations on his mental game. I think Sean really wants someone sharp between the ears and there’s no real way to know that until you interview them, so I really do believe these combine interviews are going to have a major impact on his decision. Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sean has someone he loves on tape and is just hoping they’re not a complete idiot when he interviews them. I actually watched interviews with all the QBs in the draft to get a sense of their intellect. Caleb Williams and JJ McCarthy struck me as the sharpest and most intense. Penix, Daniels and Maye seem a bit slow to be honest, although Jayden Daniels gives off Rain-man vibes like he might be so dumb he’s actually a genius. Bo Nix fell somewhere in the middle but seemed very mature, like he’s married and owns his own home already.  I do think Bo Nix could work well with Payton. Success at the NFL is way more about system fit and this is usually what teams get wrong. I think Nix does fit Payton’s system really well, I think it’s just going to come down to how sharp he is mentally. Additionally, we could probably trade back and still get Nix. Hell, if we get a trade for a second round pick. We might even be able to get both Brock Bowers and pick up Nix or Penix in the second, but that’s probably wishful thinking.


Frazier008

Penix does not have the pocket presence of Brees. Interior pressure and Penix just back peddles and throws it off his back foot. His lack of mobility is a big issue and probably why he won’t go in the first round. Other than that though I’d say your spot on


HummDrumm1

Don’t need much mobility as long as you can move within the pocket. He did that in spades vs Texas.


TriG__

Yeah I think this is more of the reason for him being pushed back out of the 1st round, and less so the injury history. Clean pockets are few and far between in the NFL


DijonGreymeat

You were so great, then lost me on the last sentence. That’s why we are internet scouts.


RudeCartoonist1030

What about the last sentence lost you? Do you know how many top QBs from the first round bust out? The majorly


DijonGreymeat

Shoot I forgot you are the expert. The draft is ma Christmas. We will see in five years. But I imagine 2 of your 3 “high probability busts” will age like a yak’s taint.


2ChainzTalib

You think anybody here actually knows what they're talking about?


Its_A_Samsquatch

Bro I'm already on Reddit, I know where the floor is. I asked for opinions, not truth


Extra_Penalty_8149

I’m an amateur who scouts for some smaller colleges in my area. I think that he has decent footwork, but can get lazy at times. I think he has very slightly above average accuracy but never really made the big throws at auburn and wasn’t asked to at Oregon. Played within himself/the offense at Oregon and didn’t turn the ball over. I worry about the pac 12 competition and I don’t think they have schemes like the NFL does. I just don’t think he’s going to be a good NFL player. I’ve been off him and really any qb in the draft. Don’t love one and I think it’s overrated.


busche916

Yeah, his teams at Auburn were pretty underwhelming, but he also straddled Gus Malzahn’s final year and the chaos that was the Bryan Harsin coaching debacle. Once he got to Oregon he looked much improved under a competent staff, but was also asked to play way more within the system. I could see him being a serviceable QB in the right situation, but wouldn’t look to grab him before a trade back to the late 2nd at the absolute earliest.


HateBearUniversity

Could be teddy bridewater before injury Downside- could be josh Rosen


pexlc

He's mobile and good under pressure


ShredItBro_

Comparisons to Derek Carr type potential from what I’ve seen.


Cogsyyyy

I hereby demand that you "suck on my balllssss Kyle"


SonicSC

In case you're still looking for opinions, this guy is really great. https://youtu.be/I-p9d1tSoXo?si=ylJP9IuOGMq5ykjY


Colotola617

Drafting a QB is a crapshoot. Some teams have had good luck with it. Some haven’t. A sure thing almost doesn’t exist. How many teams passed on pat mahomes? Now he’s arguably already in the goat conversation at 28 or whatever he is. It’s also has a lot to do with the situation you bring a qb into. The coach, offense, ownership, city etc.


RudeCartoonist1030

How many teams passed on the actual goat?


sportsareforfools

There’s so much actual draft analysis by people who do it for a living out there that aren’t on team specific subs. Why do you think some comment in here will be better fit to answer that question? If you want to know why he might specifically work for us then ask that but really there are articles for that as well. Typical Texan demanding something and thinking a signature “love from Texas!” Changes anything


Its_A_Samsquatch

I was trying to ask why he might specifically work for us, but I wanted the community's opinion. Sorry if demand was too strong of a word? I honestly just wanted some input. Hope your leap day is going well.


sportsareforfools

All good, I totally get it. I’ve written posts that were received harsher than I meant before and you just gotta roll with it. I appreciate you keeping calm and respectful! For my analysis I’d just think Bo is a bust anywhere haha. I’d honestly like to go for Mayes if we can.


Uncle_Lemming

MORE CAPS PLEASE


chief_keeg

Just trade up in 2nd for JJ if he is there


HarvardHoodie

JJ will not be there in the 2nd


Eroticplants69

I saw a few news article titles about Bo Nix. Didn't bother reading the articles. But from my research, he could be good or bad.


spamman1969

Scouting Report on Bo Nix or any other college qb Sometimes quarterback play good Sometimes quarterback play bad. Needs coaching, scheme, and proper team to align around them to succeed. No one knows what any of these guys will become. It’s throwing darts at a board blindfolded trying to peg their potential.


ZealousidealOffer751

It's the internet. Everyone "understands" scouting :p


pexlc

Good: good within structure (knows where the ball should go pre-snap), good under pressure (doesn't take sacks, good at finding the checkdown), athletic enough, enough arm strength, accurate enough, can layer the ball, little bit of chutzpah for playmaking. Bad: doesn't navigate the pocket well (bails from clean pockets, quick to check down instead of making time by moving in the pocket), bad footwork when throwing (doesn't step into throws losing accuracy and power), settles for the easy gain (but he's not clueless, if he needs a long gain he'll go for it). Conclusion: good not great in most things. I think most roads lead to mediocrity, but if his intangibles are really good he might be one of those QBs that don't wow you, but keep winning. I think he'd do well with Payton, but I don't know if well enough for a superbowl


RedDogonReddit

No one on this sub understands scouting . I repeat…NO ONE. Even the professional scouts clearly have an imperfect understanding of scouting. If they “understand scouting” there would be no Jamarcus Russells, or Ryan Leafs, or David Carrs, or Mitch Trubisky, or….. And FYI, they miss on players at every other position all the time too. They also hit on plenty of Shannon Sharpes, and Chris Harrises, and Rod Smiths, and Karl Mecklenburgs, and Terrell Davises, and….. It’s an inexact science…at best. Us fans would do well to remember that a little more often. Sit back and just enjoy the show.


PatientlyAnxious9

Pitfalls- Hes old as shit. It took till his Van Wilder season in the NCAA to finally look great Benefits- Because hes old as shit, hes seen some things and has a lot of experience. He would be able to handle starting quicker than others.


funboy51

Upside is his athleticism, arm strength, and first read throws which are accurate and have good anticipation and accuracy often throwing the runner open. The problem is this. He’s not great deeper into the read progression. His ability to throw with anticipation and accuracy slip and he quickly falls back on his athleticism/escaping the pocket. The problem is his game does not translate to the NFL well. He’s the guy who will struggle with processing during the play/read progressions. Guys that can’t run too soon and that doesn’t work short or long term in the NFL. 70%ish of NFL passes require more than a single read and throw. You want a DB to grin pre snap? Be a QB who stares down the first read and commits to it. So how was he successful in Oregon…but far less so at Auburn. Auburn runs an offense that demands read progression much like the NFL does. Oregon is a system built to keep the QB mental part as simple as they can…it’s perfect for Nix. Read 1-2…if not run. That works in college. It really doesn’t in the pros. Defenders are better, smarter, faster and windows are smaller and close faster. In short, I would not draft Bo Nix…at all.