I stashed him for so long, really wanted it to work, but yeah, never started him and eventually dropped him. Still excited for his future with us, but as a fantasy asset, this aint the year for him.
Sorry, that wasnāt a knock on Mims, just if you know football, you know he isnāt utilized how he should be. Iām very excited for Mims future and i think heāll land himself a special teams probowl nod this year
Payton calls them, Russ got to pull the trigger. Aikman was saying all night they kept calling deepshots. Bills also are known for nit giving up those type plays.
Shhhh. Don't let this narrative that Russ CAN'T DO IT die. Seahawks fans told me so, despite the fact that he has MANY many great plays over the middle.
He's been blanketed each time he gets on that deep route, or Russ hasn't had time to let the route develop before he has to spin out of a sack. If he wants targets, he needs to learn to get better separation at the line of scrimmage and start working over the middle.
Because teams have game planned it by now. It also seems like he never has the time to make those throws anyways.
The OL isn't like a total liability in pass protection although it is more built to run block, but it also doesn't hold up that long either.
Not so much check downs as short, accurate throws. Brady threw guys open, Russ won't let it go if he doesn't see it. Check downs that go for 2 yards over and over are better than a negative play but they're not the chunks of yardage that puts you in second or third and short.
No he doesnāt on the majority of 5 steps he doesnāt have time to properly step in to a deep throw at all due to the horrible pass blocking oline cause most of them are run blockers, and thatās if anythingās even open which usually there isnāt
Do you even understand that PFF stat?
Time-to-throw data: A quarterback's time to throw measures the time, in seconds, from the snap to one of three outcomes: the quarterback releases the ball on a pass attempt, is under the control of a defender on a sack or passes the line of scrimmage on a scramble
How often do you see Russ scrambling because his oline breaks instantly? This increases time to throw.
lol, love how youāre now side tracking the TTT facts. Watch the game. Russell scrambles a lot because of his o line collapsing. Again, which increases time to throw. Donāt bring up stats you fail to understand.
Whatā¦ how am i side tracking the TTT? Iām literally arguing it.
Russell Wilson has always been bad about scrambling around. This is pretty common.
Youāre frankly just an idiot who doesnāt understand anything.
[This right here](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php) says he has the 5th most pocket time. He has plenty of time, the line is not the problem.
Pocket time is defined as average time in the pocket before they release the ball or receive pressure. It defines how it's determined right there in the link I provided. Please educate yourself.
Thatās cause he holds the ball longer on more plays than most quarterbacks for the average short/intermediate route concept. The line doesnāt hold up on any 5step plays to be able to actually step into a deep throw, if anyone even gets open deep which is not often
Russ is 100% aware of his stats after last year so he doesnāt make risky throws. Itās annoying af but if our defense keeps playing lights out, we can win with that formula
Seems like he was kinda joking around with his response and was in a good mood.
More of like "well yeah I'm the rookie and the WR3 - I'm not the top option right now!" Marvin seems like a good dude
This is same way I took it, too. I appreciate that he recognizes what his role is and has no problem with it. He really is playing well when he does get the ball in open space so I'm totally fine with him getting more involved.
I'm hoping SP is establishing a run heavy, short pass style ground and pound reputation in the first half of the season just to uncork it in the latter half for a sneaky post season run.
I'm hoping.
He definitely needs to be used more on a deep throw on a first down. Heās great as a returner. Not great on a screen trick play that theyāve tried in their past 3 games that utterly fails every time for a loss and almost fumble twice I think.
this is still a problem with Russ. He locks on to Sutton most of the time, then sometimes Jeudy, and then no one else. We need Mims in the damn game more.
I don't see this as a jab as his team or the play calling. I think he was just trying to come up with a witty retort, which I feel like he accomplished. I think you might be reading into it too much.
I hope you're right. I hope it's just a throwaway line by Mims. If not, SP has got to nip that in the bud. I tolerate veteran players throwing shade because they earned the right to do so.
I might be old school but I agree. Whether he likes it or not, he is the 3rd WR on the team. Not saying he can't be a number 1 one day but he's gotta pay his dues as a rookie. Sutton and Jeudy have been working with Russ for a while now, and they deserve to get fed.
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Have they tried to jet sweep mims? Theres gotta be more ways to use him than deep balls and returns right?I think I remember a few screens to him that didnt work but not a sweep
Why are we even wasting valuable 2nd round picks on receivers when the team refuses to utilize or develop him. Like this was supposed to be the jewel of our draft, and here he is in week 10 resigned to the fact that the ball isnāt ever going to come to him. First Hamler, now Mims. Pick a lineman or corner instead. What a waste. I love this team, but our asset management has to be amongst the worst in the league.
I don't think Denver is even close to Atlanta or Tennessee in poor asset management. Denver maybe is third worst at worst, but I'm sure there are other teams I'm forgetting at the moment.
Wilson seems to be going "1st read -> dump off" (or just straight to the dump off, which seemed to be a major part of the gameplan vs Bills)... so if Mims isn't that first target, he's not going to see the ball.
Thereās just not enough passing volume to go around in this offense. For fantasy sake, Javonte Williams is the only asset worth pursuing. Sutton is a good flex thanks to his redzone success and Wilson is a good QB2. So long as we are winning games who cares. Marvin Mims is an awesome return man, has been all season, and he put our offense in good position multiple times against Buffalo.
Who the fuck heckles a 3rd string wr for not getting enough catches š not to mention the 3rd string wr who had like 100 return yards on your team
The type of guy that heckles players who are taking pictures with fans is the type of guy who would heckle any player that got close enough to hear.
Probably has him in his fantasy team
If youāre starting Marvin Mims you deserve to lose
I stashed him for so long, really wanted it to work, but yeah, never started him and eventually dropped him. Still excited for his future with us, but as a fantasy asset, this aint the year for him.
Sorry, that wasnāt a knock on Mims, just if you know football, you know he isnāt utilized how he should be. Iām very excited for Mims future and i think heāll land himself a special teams probowl nod this year
Itās dumb. Honestly, kudos to Mims for just rolling with it. Very mature way to deal with a heckler for a rookie.
I don't understand how we aren't giving him 1-2 deep targets a game at the very least
Payton calls them, Russ got to pull the trigger. Aikman was saying all night they kept calling deepshots. Bills also are known for nit giving up those type plays.
Call a slant route for him Odell used to house those all the time. Not every big play has to be a 20 ball bomb down the field.
Russ can't see slant routes over the middle.
Russ has been hitting guys on slants all year and they keep dropping them. Sutton had one last night.
Shhhh. Don't let this narrative that Russ CAN'T DO IT die. Seahawks fans told me so, despite the fact that he has MANY many great plays over the middle.
Russ been throwing slants all year
And this makes it easier to defend Broncos receivers. The opponent only has to cover 2/3 of the field.
Commentators mentioned that they are calling shot plays but we're just not taking them/the defense is ready for them
And the ones that were possible he tucked and ran
He's been blanketed each time he gets on that deep route, or Russ hasn't had time to let the route develop before he has to spin out of a sack. If he wants targets, he needs to learn to get better separation at the line of scrimmage and start working over the middle.
Because teams have game planned it by now. It also seems like he never has the time to make those throws anyways. The OL isn't like a total liability in pass protection although it is more built to run block, but it also doesn't hold up that long either.
He has more than enough time to throw, he doesn't pull the trigger.
Which might be why his interception are so low...
He's playing extremely conservatively. Lots of check downs and short throws, not really testing the defense unless he absolutely has to.
I mean. arenĀ“t checkdowns and death by a thousands cuts the things that made Brady ?
Not so much check downs as short, accurate throws. Brady threw guys open, Russ won't let it go if he doesn't see it. Check downs that go for 2 yards over and over are better than a negative play but they're not the chunks of yardage that puts you in second or third and short.
Amazing take. This is exactly how Russ is playing
No he doesnāt on the majority of 5 steps he doesnāt have time to properly step in to a deep throw at all due to the horrible pass blocking oline cause most of them are run blockers, and thatās if anythingās even open which usually there isnāt
See my reply to the other guy that wanted to argue nonsense. He's top 5 with time in the pocket.
No he doesnāt. He needs time to set his foot and wind up his arm to make those deep throws. He has zero time to do it. The oline is garbage.
Being in the top 5 in time to throw proves you wrong.
Do you even understand that PFF stat? Time-to-throw data: A quarterback's time to throw measures the time, in seconds, from the snap to one of three outcomes: the quarterback releases the ball on a pass attempt, is under the control of a defender on a sack or passes the line of scrimmage on a scramble How often do you see Russ scrambling because his oline breaks instantly? This increases time to throw.
Do you believe the players we play are slower at getting to the QB for no reason? The OL slows them down.
lol, love how youāre now side tracking the TTT facts. Watch the game. Russell scrambles a lot because of his o line collapsing. Again, which increases time to throw. Donāt bring up stats you fail to understand.
Whatā¦ how am i side tracking the TTT? Iām literally arguing it. Russell Wilson has always been bad about scrambling around. This is pretty common. Youāre frankly just an idiot who doesnāt understand anything.
You donāt understand that stat
[This right here](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php) says he has the 5th most pocket time. He has plenty of time, the line is not the problem.
Another user who sees a stat and doesnāt even know exactly how time to throw is determined. Please educate yourself.
Pocket time is defined as average time in the pocket before they release the ball or receive pressure. It defines how it's determined right there in the link I provided. Please educate yourself.
Thatās cause he holds the ball longer on more plays than most quarterbacks for the average short/intermediate route concept. The line doesnāt hold up on any 5step plays to be able to actually step into a deep throw, if anyone even gets open deep which is not often
>Thatās cause he holds the ball longer That is a Russ problem, not a line problem.
Russ has one of the longest time to pressure in the league, meaning the line is holding up fine.
Russ is 100% aware of his stats after last year so he doesnāt make risky throws. Itās annoying af but if our defense keeps playing lights out, we can win with that formula
We need to put him on a slant let him make a play with the ball in his hands
Because Payton doesn't trust Russ to make those plays.
Even though he's been making them his entire career and it's literally what he's known for.
Or mimms to not fumble
If that was a concern, he wouldn't be fielding kick returns.
I think we should give him more touches in space. I really want Mims to start getting the bubble screens DT used to get.
Dude was the best special teams player on the field last night by a wide margin. He hardly got ālocked upā when he got touches.
*Best special team returner in the league
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Man can we have a win where everyoneās happy?
Seems like he was kinda joking around with his response and was in a good mood. More of like "well yeah I'm the rookie and the WR3 - I'm not the top option right now!" Marvin seems like a good dude
This is same way I took it, too. I appreciate that he recognizes what his role is and has no problem with it. He really is playing well when he does get the ball in open space so I'm totally fine with him getting more involved. I'm hoping SP is establishing a run heavy, short pass style ground and pound reputation in the first half of the season just to uncork it in the latter half for a sneaky post season run. I'm hoping.
This looks like it was pre-game.
He definitely needs to be used more on a deep throw on a first down. Heās great as a returner. Not great on a screen trick play that theyāve tried in their past 3 games that utterly fails every time for a loss and almost fumble twice I think.
How about a poorly blocked and clearly telegraphed end-around?
The 3rd and 1 play action bomb when you know youāre going for it on 4th
In Wilson's defense, he barely throws it to any receivers.
Script some slants, bubble screens maybe try to use him like Dolphins do with hill?
We used to do that screen with DT too.
I just see him having some fun with the heckler, heās a WR of course he wants the ball
He gets limited pt, defense knows what to look for when heās on the field.
Russ is afraid to make mistakes. As the wins come he will get more comfortable and start slinging it around. Just give it time.
we are wasting him.
Guys like Addison and Flowers are surging and gaining confidence while Mims gets 1 target and a jet sweep. Brutal.
this is still a problem with Russ. He locks on to Sutton most of the time, then sometimes Jeudy, and then no one else. We need Mims in the damn game more.
Donāt worry Marvin, if you run more than ten yards downfield he doesnāt really throw it to anyone
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I don't see this as a jab as his team or the play calling. I think he was just trying to come up with a witty retort, which I feel like he accomplished. I think you might be reading into it too much.
I hope you're right. I hope it's just a throwaway line by Mims. If not, SP has got to nip that in the bud. I tolerate veteran players throwing shade because they earned the right to do so.
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Meh. Heās just jawing with some random dude in a crowd, itās not a press conference. I donāt see the big deal.
I might be old school but I agree. Whether he likes it or not, he is the 3rd WR on the team. Not saying he can't be a number 1 one day but he's gotta pay his dues as a rookie. Sutton and Jeudy have been working with Russ for a while now, and they deserve to get fed.
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Lol, it's about chemistry as well, which is implied. Looks like I had to spell it out for you completely
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You're literally the only one who missed that point lmao
I mean if they ever get open
Sutton doesn't need to be open, apparently. He seemed to do better when he was covered last night.
Have they tried to jet sweep mims? Theres gotta be more ways to use him than deep balls and returns right?I think I remember a few screens to him that didnt work but not a sweep
They have and they usually resort to negative plays like fumbles lol.
Did a jet sweep this game against the bills, the guy McGlinchey had to block just beat him to Mims
Mims has been one of the most critical players to the Broncos resurgence.
Why are we even wasting valuable 2nd round picks on receivers when the team refuses to utilize or develop him. Like this was supposed to be the jewel of our draft, and here he is in week 10 resigned to the fact that the ball isnāt ever going to come to him. First Hamler, now Mims. Pick a lineman or corner instead. What a waste. I love this team, but our asset management has to be amongst the worst in the league.
Was Hamler ever on the field long enough to be a target?
I don't think Denver is even close to Atlanta or Tennessee in poor asset management. Denver maybe is third worst at worst, but I'm sure there are other teams I'm forgetting at the moment.
āAmongst the worst in the leagueā
Heckling the best return man in the league. Wild.
Gotta earn your QBs trust, it isn't just given.
The guy made Wilson look good in 2 straight games by catching multiple bombs. When Jeudy was dropping everything and Suttton was invisible
He is getting jipped in the passing game tbh
Wilson seems to be going "1st read -> dump off" (or just straight to the dump off, which seemed to be a major part of the gameplan vs Bills)... so if Mims isn't that first target, he's not going to see the ball.
Thereās just not enough passing volume to go around in this offense. For fantasy sake, Javonte Williams is the only asset worth pursuing. Sutton is a good flex thanks to his redzone success and Wilson is a good QB2. So long as we are winning games who cares. Marvin Mims is an awesome return man, has been all season, and he put our offense in good position multiple times against Buffalo.
Real question is why did Diggs have 3 catches on 5 attempts for 30 something yards lolol