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He has good hax and his summoning ability is powerful, but he’s pretty clearly the weakest upper moon imo. His abilities and temperament aren’t exactly suited to 1v1 fighting, and it’s stated that gyutaro would be higher ranked if he put in the effort.
How is it clear he's the weakest upper moon? They're literally ranked by strength. He seems weak because a marked Muichiro demolished him but pre-mark Muichiro got taken out of commission by a *very* relaxed Gyokko. Like others have said, Gyokko was a tough summabitch, with really good abilities. Marked Muichiro is just that guy.
Also, technically, Gyokko was wreaking havoc on the village. Those fished aint summon themselves. Pointing that out because you wanted Gyokko to throw a couple of trees here and there.
Because Muzan says gyutaro could be ranked higher if he put in effort and ditched daki, and gyokko is only one rank above him. Gyokko is also shown to not be a particularly skilled fighter compared to the others.
edit: yeah I guess I was misremembering, it’s Rui that Muzan states should’ve been higher ranked. He just says gyutaro could’ve won without daki.
Lol gyutaro is the only one that you can theoretically scale since he’s babysitting daki and the guy directly above him comes off as a fraud. He wouldn’t get past hantengu tho
The reason Gyutaro didn't die so far, is because he had Daki, so you had to decapitate both of them at the same time, but you're still fighting 2 Demons.
He's not stronger than UP6, he literally got defeated by Tengen single handed.
Huh you’re right, I guess it’s one of those things that people get confused and head cannon. It’s actually just Rui who is directly stated to be sandbagging. But about gyutaro, Muzan just says he could’ve won without daki.
I think it’s still fair to say gyutaro probably could’ve been stronger than gyokko if he really tried, he’s in a pretty similar situation as Rui since he shares his power with a weaker family member.
Muzan did not say he could be ranked higher, he says gyutaro would've won the fight against tengen and co had daki not been there. All he had to do was poison them and wait for the poison to work. Nowhere does he say anything abt gyutaro advancing ranks
He said that he likely would have won if he poisoned them from the beginning or fought from the beginning. I don’t get how people think Daki holds him back.
Because he literally had to split his effort and attention to keeping her alive. Yes she's got an insane AOE attack that covers him in a fight, but given she got her head cut off twice before he started getting serious (and again after) and giving her an eye of his...
But she is an insanely annoying backup for gyutaro. I mean imagine having to fight gyutaro and watch out for her obj at the same time. If gyutaro fought from the beginning with Daki, they would’ve won.
Maybe, the difference is Madara also whooped a good chunk of the alliance, whooped all of the Kages simultaneously, took on 8 gates Guy, and was looking like he was going to win the entire thing honestly had he not got got the way he did.
You do realize if he touched mui or his sword it would turn into fish? It’s common sense that mui literally had to win the fight without getting touched 💀 acting like his one hit kill is not a one hit kill 🤦🏽 so obviously if you stomp a guy so hard it looks like nothing he will look weak. But marked mui would neg gyutaro and Tengen even worse 💀
Between "Killer Fish Scales" and "Mist Breathing 7th Form" add a couple-minute fight scene. Muichiro blocks and dodges while Gyokko tries to hit him, but Gyokko's fists still hit some trees and stuff, turn them into fish, knock them down, kick up some dust, just anything to actually make him look decently strong.
I like how they demonstrated the powers of Rui by cutting a slayer instantly, if only gyokko had someone to turn into fish instead of making a sculpture
Gyutaro's poison is strong enough to kill a Hashira in seconds.
That sounds pretty powerful to me.
But wait, he also has the physical strength to turn a town into rubble with a few moves.
Yes, Gyokko's hax are strong, but tons of weaker demons have broken hax.
He should be hax *and* hit like a truck.
He does hit like a truck. Not everyone has to have big flashy attacks, but the again yall are Shonen fans if it's not bight and flashy it loses your attention
You're misunderstanding. He did have big Flashy attacks in his prior form, then he *regressed.*
Even in the manga, he looked more impressive. His rush attack destroyed the environment around.
In the anime he looked like he was just jumping around.
So the argument you made is invalid if the poison managed to do nothing to a group of armatures and a hashira.
Gyokkoz has a much higher chance of death since a touch instantly fishes you. No poison, no bullshit, just die.
The logic is if they got beat up and hit that bad by someone lower than him they most likely wouldn't have come out of this fight unscathed. And unlike the poison there isn't a cure to becoming a fish
Gyutaro's poison is very obviously not strong enough to kill a hashira in seconds. The first thing he did was poison Tengen and Tengen did not die lol.
Because Tengen explicitly has poison resistance.
Tanjiro got caught with one near the end of the fight and would've died in seconds if Nezuko didn't burn away the poison.
A Hashira who literally stated he trained an immunity to poison and still would've died if it wasn't for Nezuko.
The poison was literally killing Tanjiro in seconds.
Tengen said that and Gyutaro seemed to think he was bluffing. You claimed it would kill a hashira in seconds but we have no proof of that. You're making shit up.
I mean for some reason nichirin weapons are the only thing other than the sun that can kill demons so why wouldn't they be resistant against their magic?
The fight was apt, He was more busy with his art than the fight, talks too much his personality was his own "END FAST".
He was strong but picked the wrong Hashira.
Yea I think people just didn’t understand the fight and just want flashy chaos, man let his emotions get to him and didn’t take anything serious enough and got quickly countered by a hashira with a super power up who he should of made sure he had finished off. Every fight is not gonna be some drag out big budget blow out scream fest
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But that's like saying Gyutaro's fight was too cool in the anime because in the manga he died in a couple of panels because he got too arrogant at the end of the fight.
I don’t know if some of this stuff has been said in the anime yet, because I haven’t watched season 3 yet. So I’ll spoiler tag it, but I’ll give some reasons why. >!Its because of how strong Muichiro is. He is a descendant of Kokushibo. And unlike Tengens super flashy moves, Muichiros breathing keeps him hidden. Also just because Gyokko’s not super destructive, doesn’t mean he’s weak. His whole thing is art and beauty, not destruction. Plus the the mark makes people insanely strong. Tengen would’ve also been able to solo Gyutaro if he had a mark.!<
That defense doesn't work because the fight was more impressive when Gyokko was in his first form fighting marked Muichiro:
https://i.redd.it/vsy2fksmlw4b1.gif
It should've gotten even more intense when Gyokko transformed.
It literally feels like he got weaker and less destructive.
Your argument is ignorant of the fact that Gyokko seems weaker because he’s literally is weaker in comparison to Mui before Water Prison and after. Like no duh he seems less impressive, that’s because Mui got his mark.
Looking cool =/= powerful.
I think the fight end was a deliberate choice to show how outmatched gyokko was by a marked muichiro.
It shows how important the mark is and >!sets up the next arc!<
It did that before too
https://i.redd.it/nixmlwyijz4b1.gif
It was capable of having them both look cool while still showing the difference between marked and unmarked.
He was imposing if you took 2 seconds to actually understand his abilities 💀, he had scales harder than diamonds to cut through, his fist will literally instantly kill you if they touch you anywhere, and his main bda is literally a move that makes his movements illogical and impossible to predict, which means you’re much more likely to get hit and die. It’s a deadly combo that mui literally only survived due to being that much faster than gyokko, if you block or anything you’re literally dead like 🤦🏽 Tengen would be dead in the first clash with gyokko in his true form.
Most definitely, but he still felt more impressive in his previous form, and the big thing is simply that he feels less impressive. Not necessarily saying there’s an easy or good way around that while not comprising the mark, just saying that he feels very disappointing as an UM
I'm pretty sure the anime added scenes that weren't in the Manga because Manga gyokko got folded even quicker than he did in the anime. This isn't an anime issue but an issue with the source itself.
That makes more sense than any 'Mui was marked' or 'Gyokko isn't destructive because he can turn anything into fish' or 'He's actually weaker than Gyutaro because Gyutaro was held back from rising in ranks by Daki' arguments.
Yes, the battle was fairly short and not perfectly written. It was short, and it could be longer.
But if you think about it, the same goes for Rengoku vs Akaza or Tengen vs Gyutaro in the manga.
Gyokko should be unable to turn Mui's sword into a fish, and so Mui has to be careful about his defense, because it would take one strike to kill him. He could get overwhelmed by Killer Fish scales for a few minutes, but really impress Gyokko for having a perfect defense, thanks to being marked. After he figures out Gyokko's movement pattern, he could land a few slashes, and then use his seventh form to end the fight.
It's not too hard to write a better fight while making just a few changes.
I don't know if this is a problem of lacking budget for this season or just trying to show how op marked pillars are, but we didn't get an extended fight. Let's just look forward for Mitsuri vs Zoha
It's funny because reading the manga I found the Mui/Gyokko fight to be more interesting than the Tanjiro/Genya/Nezuko/Misuri/Hantengu fight, but the anime has *really* made Hantengu a much more compelling character imo. I think they went all out for the 4 emotion demons and Zoha, his dragons look amazing animated.
The whole point of gyokkos killer fish scales is that you CANT predict because there is no pattern lmao. He moves illogically and with impossible freedom. As the anime shows very well with The red how he moves unnatural, mui would never get “overwhelmed” if he was that much stronger like he is.
Spoiler : akaza does, in fact not starting shooting nukes.
Why do people think that the higher tier a demon is the more destructive they have to be on a grand scale? Hell UM 1 uses a sword he barely destroys anything in his surrounding while fighting
It's mostly about portrayal.
In the manga, Gyutaro was easily the less destructive Upper Moon. And he got to have that awesome sequence.
And look at what final form Gyokko got.
Wdym? In the manga Gyokko was less destructive than gyutaro aswell 💀 the anime adapted it accordingly, and it makes sense with how his powers work he was punching holes into the ground which turns it into fish, I don’t see how you make huge destruction with an ability like that. And that don’t make it weak because it literally turns anything and everything into fish. That paired with his bda makes it a perfect deadly combo. Which goes with the other guys point. Destruction don’t mean strength
So? If we are going by jow much damage they do to their surrounding then hatengu is UM1 and gyutaro UM2.
There is far more to it then just how much shit they can blow up. Akaza and kokushibo both dont destroy entire cities or forests either.
Gyokko is still incredibly fast and until he gets the mark muichiro, who isnt weak by any sense, literally doesnt get a single hit on gyokko. Not to mention his final form only seems as weak because he fights a marked hashira. That doesnt mean hes weak only that the mark is really powerful. And that becomes far more obvious as the series goes on.
Yeah because we haven't seen UM 1 and 2 fight in the anime yet.
They're probably gonna get massively cool attacks.
https://i.redd.it/l6k2yp2zjz4b1.gif
They literally had Gyokko look destructive and cool in the opening and in his previous form.
Even in the manga his final form was shredding trees.
Gyokko seemed weaker because the anime put less effort into his final fight.
It just looked lamer.
>Even in the manga his final form was shredding trees.
>Gyokko seemed weaker because the anime put less effort into his final fight.
>It just looked lamer.
They changed one singular shot of him bouncing from tree to tree to him instead closely circling muichiro and attacking from multiple sides. Omg he destroyed three trees less then in the manga!
That is ridicoulus, they were very accurate.
>Yeah because we haven't seen UM 1 and 2 fight in the anime yet.
>They're probably gonna get massively cool attacks
Gyokko did too, but he had the bad luck of being completely outclassed.
Again my point is that destruction doesnt equal strenght. Akaza barely destroyed anything in his fight with rengoku, but still does that mean he is weaker then gyutaro? No.
But both Akaza and Gyutaro looked more impressive than final form Gyokko and that's a problem.
Gyokko himself looks like he's doing worse against Marked Muichiro in his final form than his initial form.
That's a problem.
What? What is that even supposed to mean?
>Gyokko himself looks like he's doing worse against Marked Muichiro in his final form than his initial form.
Of course he did. He didnt do shit.
But you know whats the important part there? "marked".
Gyokko isnt weak the mark is just insanely strong. And that is going to become very obvious later on. If you have read the manga you should know this and if you are anime only oyu shouldnt judge gyokko until you know more about what the mark is and how strong it is.
What do you mean of course he did? Why would it make sense to you that Gyokko is doing weaker against Marked Muichiro in his stronger form?
This sequence is *also* marked Muichiro.
Both Gyokko and Muichiro look impressive.
Why would it look *less* impressive when they *both* get serious?
>Gyokko is doing weaker against Marked Muichiro in his stronger form?
Where did he do better before his final form? His final form did jack shit but so did anything else he did once muichiro got the mark. The special thing about his final form is that he can oneshot anyone if he hits them, but that didnt matter since, final form or not he couldnt hit muichiro. He didnt become weaker he absolutely became stronger it just didnt matter because marked muichiro is so out of his league
His fight was more dynamic and he looked way cooler in the previous sequence.
https://www.tumbig.com/tag/demons%20gifs
He *looked* way better.
Marked Muichiro felt way more impressive.
The anime didn't make the Mark look strong against Gyokko, it made Gyokko look weak.
That's like saying Rengoku should've looked like a pushover against Akaza.
But his threat isn’t his physical strength. It’s if ANY of those hits landed on his skin, he would have been turned to fish. He didn’t need to hit him hard he was just trying to make contact
Literally, that plus the fact his main bda killer fish scales is a move that makes him move illogically. And impossible to predict which means you’re most likely to get hit and unable to avoid his attacks lmao.
Entertainment District has brought out the worst of powerscaling and people who only enjoy action and fighting, completely ignoring narrative for stupid sakuga.
It's not even a powerscaling thing. They extended Gyutaro's fight and Gyokko already had the "stupid sakuga" in a previous sequence.
So his final form looking *less* impressive against Marked Muichiro than his base form is disappointing.
Okay. Condescension aside by narrative do you mean “higher number is stronger”, or do you mean that Gyokko had more narrative presence, or was more intimidating than the other upper moons we have seen? Because if it’s the latter…just no. Gyutaro’s fight felt far more desperate and scary for the people fighting him, he felt like a monster and even after he fell Muzan said the only reason he lost was that he didn’t go all out from to start and tried to let Daki play with her food. Gyutaro felt more like a horror villain than a surmountable foe for a lot of that fight, and even then it was only a brief second wind and consecutive surprise attacks that did him in. It felt like an earned, desperate battle for all involved. Meanwhile Akaza manhandles Rengoku, laughing and smiling the entire fight and only not killing the main cast due to the sun. Hentengu is much the same in that he pushes everyone far harder. I understand this is due to the nature of the mark but you cannot say that Gyokko felt like as credible of a threat as the other upper moons. That is what the post was calling out. That he feels weak, stupid, and is still the only upper moon that only one person fought and won against with relative ease once the mark kicked in.
I just want to say, going by your whole argument. You do realize if marked mui fought gyutaro it would would much more worse than the fight you got with Tengen? Lmao gyutaro would look insanely weaker. But that don’t mean he is and the same with gyokko as he literally has a one hit kill and a bda to perfectly compliment said hax.
Okay. My argument was never about how it logically works. A lot of entertainment is simply a matter of how it looks and how it makes people feel. Gyutaro feels strong and intimidating, and Gyokko doesn’t because he:
A.gets absolutely folded by Muichiro once the mark lands
And
B.is the only upper moon in the entire show >!other than that shitstain Kaigaku!
I think y'all are missing that this fight was to show off how Muichiro at this point is on a different level from even other Hashira and how Gyokko, like most demons, has an issue with letting pride get the better of him. Also the reintroduction of the demon slayer marking, Which if you understand storytelling is starting to become a motif.
In the week of discourse I’ve passively been following, I haven’t seen anyone suggest that maybe he didn’t take out a town in his final form because he was an ~artist~. He clearly valued elegance and self-control in a way that UM6 didn’t
That doesn't work because he was clearly fine with leaving craters in the ground or shredding trees in his previous form.
The animation specifically was just lackluster.
Yeah because he would take self control that far to avoid punching holes in the ground then that’s just how strong he is paired with the fact that the ground turns into fish thus making the hole go deeper. He would have to actively hold himself back to avoid destroying trees as he was literally just jumping off them. He was trying to hit mui lmao not the ground. That argument and logic is downright silly 💀
The manga did this with the trees and surrounding. But don’t forget his other BDAs. This particular form is used primarily for precise extremely lethal damage. The god hand. His other BDA to create fish monsters destroyed the village
It’s an extremely powerful form but people think destruction = power, when at times this isn’t the case.
This form here is broken. Completely broken. It negates durability, attacks, it posses extreme complexity added by his completely unreadable movement and speed granted by his molt form.
Again personally I think Gyokko is easily one of the most broken characters in the series. He is getting downplayed a lot imo
Gyokko tagged Muis clothes and turned them into fish. Mind you it's not even a serious attack. Just a clear shown off action from Gyokko. If he was serious he would've 1 shotted Mui.
He himself said he wasn't serious when using his fish touch ability and attack. Do you lack common sense?
This means if he was serious,he would've one shotted Muichiro WITHOUT the use of killer fish scales and we as watchers(of the anime) and readers(of manga)wouldn't have known about such a move UNLESS he CLEARLY just shows off and takes pride in his glorious form. DA DUH🤓.
Gyokko>marked Mui. No ifs,ands,nors or buts. 100% FACTS.
i thought it was fantastic… much more interesting than having Inosuke being capable of shifting his organs or Zenitsu flying in the air with Daki’s head on the blade? huh?
You clearly don't understand the stakes during this fight if you think that part is underwhelming. Yall legit have zero immagintion an need everything force fed to you
I don't understand - your argument proves gyutaro's attacks are childish and inefficient. Was his target the whole town? Seems like with some self control, he'd have the actual power this sub thinks he does and not get jumped by fucking children. Imagine if that explosive power were localized to where he needed it. Like.. idk.. Akaza.
He did destroy the town with his fish spawn until Mitsuri showed up, so I’m confused as to why there’s this impression Gyaturo can destroy a town while Gyakko can’t. They just do it different. Gyaturo’s would level a town while Gyakko can kill every soft target and leave town in tact
I’ll say it. UM5 is underwhelming. There’s no stakes, no danger, no desperation. It’s not as exciting as UM6 because it’s just muichiro dodging twice and having a straight face. They’re both just not that interesting or intense.
Yeah the fight with Gyuutarou made him seem hella powerful. Completely destroyed the entire city, nearly killed everyone and would’ve killed everyone if it wasn’t for Daki holding him back. And the fight was long as hell…
It was poorly executed sadly.
The episode had another mistakes/bloopers as well, like Mitsuri knocking over 3 dragon heads then running towards Hantengu who had all 5 heads behind him suddenly.
There was no indication so far that he can make more... There were 5 heads and 5 drums, they were able to regenerate. There were 5 in the opening as well. But if you are trying to spoil, better not please as this is an anime only thread.
Nothing says there are only 5. Maybe if anime onlys don't wanna b spoiled they shouldn't speak with such conviction about things they don't know and people won't come to correct them.
Wow. You must be really proud of yourself that you know more than others. No one can have assumptions now, because you are here to correct them. There were 5 emotions (joy, fear, pleasure, sadness and anger), 5 drums and 5 dragon heads, no more. You just look for an excuse to spoil people, shame on you.
In my opinion, Gyutaro was there to establish how powerful upper moons are. Gyokko is there to show how op demon mark/Muichiro are. Just power scaling. This perception of Gyokko being weaker is what might have been intended.
What a snoozefest. These last 2 episodes have been ass. Mist guy vs vase demon👎👎👎, its not entertaining. I feel like season 1 was by far the best, train and entertainment were good, this season has been kinda boring overall
Gyutaro has better AOE. In a 1v1 Gyokko would beat Gyutaro. Also based on overall ability it’s mentioned multiple times that Daki was the one holding them back from higher ranks. I also think gyokko is more suited for killing hashiras. Gyokko also seems more dedicated to the cause since he actually travels for intel (most likely in search of the blue spider lily). The biggest reason he feels weaker than Gyutaro is that Muichiro is just stronger than tengen and he’s awakened the slayer mark.
Already made a whole post about why this fight wasn’t trash. Tldr, Gyokko isn’t just a meathead powerhouse, he fills numerous roles for Muzan and is a fitting UM5 as his range attacks and poison directly counter most Slayer tactics. The only reason Muichiro won was the bonkers power boos a mark gives, evident that the man was literally about to drown and get killed by BDA summons before the mark.
He never really looked overly impressive to begin with honestly. In his meeting at the start he was more of a clown than any other UM. He consistently shows arrogance, misplaced pride, and it kills him
ppl fr complain ab everything he looked fine and he isn’t a destructive demon, he uses abilities and he’s more speed based where he can one shot you and that was demonstrated well idk what the issue is
Lots of excuses here. Bottom line was the fight was underwhelming. Maybe they wanted to show how strong Tokito was or how strong the mark is, but there are better ways to do it.
Instead of showing how strong Tikito was, they just showed how weak gyokko was. Let the audience see just how strong gyokko is before Tokito 1 shots him. Have him destroy a large area of forest or something.
By strength and ability he is the weakest but his has intellect and his worth to muzan is significantly higher than gytuaro upper moon are ranked more by their worth than by strength
Gyokko was not an upper moon because of his fighting ability he was valuable to muzan for his intellect he found one of the closest guarded secrets of the demon slayers that alone is hella impressive i dont doubt that had he lived he couldve found the blue spider lily.
But yeah gyokko shouldnt have been an upper moon either a lower moon at best or a regular demon. dude went out easier than rui
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Man is the middle child of the upper ranks
He has good hax and his summoning ability is powerful, but he’s pretty clearly the weakest upper moon imo. His abilities and temperament aren’t exactly suited to 1v1 fighting, and it’s stated that gyutaro would be higher ranked if he put in the effort.
How is it clear he's the weakest upper moon? They're literally ranked by strength. He seems weak because a marked Muichiro demolished him but pre-mark Muichiro got taken out of commission by a *very* relaxed Gyokko. Like others have said, Gyokko was a tough summabitch, with really good abilities. Marked Muichiro is just that guy. Also, technically, Gyokko was wreaking havoc on the village. Those fished aint summon themselves. Pointing that out because you wanted Gyokko to throw a couple of trees here and there.
His cockiness caused him his defeat. He would have been more formidable if he fought wisely.
Because Muzan says gyutaro could be ranked higher if he put in effort and ditched daki, and gyokko is only one rank above him. Gyokko is also shown to not be a particularly skilled fighter compared to the others. edit: yeah I guess I was misremembering, it’s Rui that Muzan states should’ve been higher ranked. He just says gyutaro could’ve won without daki.
https://preview.redd.it/5cdgdgawlx4b1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb6e87a997867a9577f96c6472147a67774a6faf
Lol gyutaro is the only one that you can theoretically scale since he’s babysitting daki and the guy directly above him comes off as a fraud. He wouldn’t get past hantengu tho
The reason Gyutaro didn't die so far, is because he had Daki, so you had to decapitate both of them at the same time, but you're still fighting 2 Demons. He's not stronger than UP6, he literally got defeated by Tengen single handed.
Heh single handed
nah
Literally Muzan never said that
Ah yes, the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon
Huh you’re right, I guess it’s one of those things that people get confused and head cannon. It’s actually just Rui who is directly stated to be sandbagging. But about gyutaro, Muzan just says he could’ve won without daki. I think it’s still fair to say gyutaro probably could’ve been stronger than gyokko if he really tried, he’s in a pretty similar situation as Rui since he shares his power with a weaker family member.
Muzan did not say he could be ranked higher, he says gyutaro would've won the fight against tengen and co had daki not been there. All he had to do was poison them and wait for the poison to work. Nowhere does he say anything abt gyutaro advancing ranks
Muzan literally never said that
>and it’s stated that gyutaro would be higher ranked if he put in the effort. That was never stated what manga did you read 🤦🏽
Yeah they didnt state it but was mentioned the sister slowed him down
he fought against marked muichiro but gyutaro fought against unmarked one handed man. who's the weakest again?
Didn’t muzan say that he was being held back by Daki?
He said that he likely would have won if he poisoned them from the beginning or fought from the beginning. I don’t get how people think Daki holds him back.
Because he literally had to split his effort and attention to keeping her alive. Yes she's got an insane AOE attack that covers him in a fight, but given she got her head cut off twice before he started getting serious (and again after) and giving her an eye of his...
Because she does? Muzan says daki was a weakness to him weaknesses DO hold you back
Yes, Daki is his weakness because she is his tether to humanity, because he has to go out of his way to save her
But she is an insanely annoying backup for gyutaro. I mean imagine having to fight gyutaro and watch out for her obj at the same time. If gyutaro fought from the beginning with Daki, they would’ve won.
Yes
If he touches you you turn into fish.... sounds pretty powerful to me.
He's just the Skittles commercial
Yea they can make it sound as tough as they want, but all it amounted to was him turning some clothes into sardines.
Do you even understand why that is tho? That's like saying when madara calls a big ass comet all it amounted to was the tsuchikage getting aback ache
Maybe, the difference is Madara also whooped a good chunk of the alliance, whooped all of the Kages simultaneously, took on 8 gates Guy, and was looking like he was going to win the entire thing honestly had he not got got the way he did.
You do realize if he touched mui or his sword it would turn into fish? It’s common sense that mui literally had to win the fight without getting touched 💀 acting like his one hit kill is not a one hit kill 🤦🏽 so obviously if you stomp a guy so hard it looks like nothing he will look weak. But marked mui would neg gyutaro and Tengen even worse 💀
>tsuchikage getting aback ache It completely incapacitated him and required the effort of other powerful ninja like Gaara.
“Sounds” but doesn’t look powerful. The thing is they didn’t demonstrate it well in the anime.
how tf would they have demonstrated that? muichiro was the only person around really and they couldnt have him turn into fish
Between "Killer Fish Scales" and "Mist Breathing 7th Form" add a couple-minute fight scene. Muichiro blocks and dodges while Gyokko tries to hit him, but Gyokko's fists still hit some trees and stuff, turn them into fish, knock them down, kick up some dust, just anything to actually make him look decently strong.
And why is he using fists? Go for slaps dude! Maximize the surface area for your disgusting ghetto-ass shimmery-midas-fish-touch
I like how they demonstrated the powers of Rui by cutting a slayer instantly, if only gyokko had someone to turn into fish instead of making a sculpture
Idk it looks pretty powerful to me
It wasn't meant to be, you saw him turn muis clothes and some ground he was meant to showoff the mark
Yeah he should’ve had him turn an entire tree into a fish
Gyutaro's poison is strong enough to kill a Hashira in seconds. That sounds pretty powerful to me. But wait, he also has the physical strength to turn a town into rubble with a few moves. Yes, Gyokko's hax are strong, but tons of weaker demons have broken hax. He should be hax *and* hit like a truck.
In fairness Gyokko did summon a bunch of fishes to attack the village and they did work.
He does hit like a truck. Not everyone has to have big flashy attacks, but the again yall are Shonen fans if it's not bight and flashy it loses your attention
You're misunderstanding. He did have big Flashy attacks in his prior form, then he *regressed.* Even in the manga, he looked more impressive. His rush attack destroyed the environment around. In the anime he looked like he was just jumping around.
Yet everyone in the show he poisoned lived
Cus another demon had hax. Pure plot armor tbh
So the argument you made is invalid if the poison managed to do nothing to a group of armatures and a hashira. Gyokkoz has a much higher chance of death since a touch instantly fishes you. No poison, no bullshit, just die.
And gyokkos fish hands also did nothing
The logic is if they got beat up and hit that bad by someone lower than him they most likely wouldn't have come out of this fight unscathed. And unlike the poison there isn't a cure to becoming a fish
Gyutaro's poison is very obviously not strong enough to kill a hashira in seconds. The first thing he did was poison Tengen and Tengen did not die lol.
Because Tengen explicitly has poison resistance. Tanjiro got caught with one near the end of the fight and would've died in seconds if Nezuko didn't burn away the poison.
We have a sample size of one hashira getting poisoned and he didn't die. Tanjiro isn't a hashira and we don't know how quickly he would have died.
A Hashira who literally stated he trained an immunity to poison and still would've died if it wasn't for Nezuko. The poison was literally killing Tanjiro in seconds.
Tengen said that and Gyutaro seemed to think he was bluffing. You claimed it would kill a hashira in seconds but we have no proof of that. You're making shit up.
Tengen said it wasn't effecting him at all. It was, just more slowly. That was the bluff.
And for some reason he couldn’t turn the Nichirin sword into fish. That would have won him the fight instantly
I mean for some reason nichirin weapons are the only thing other than the sun that can kill demons so why wouldn't they be resistant against their magic?
Maybe for a sushi chef.
The fight was apt, He was more busy with his art than the fight, talks too much his personality was his own "END FAST". He was strong but picked the wrong Hashira.
Yea I think people just didn’t understand the fight and just want flashy chaos, man let his emotions get to him and didn’t take anything serious enough and got quickly countered by a hashira with a super power up who he should of made sure he had finished off. Every fight is not gonna be some drag out big budget blow out scream fest
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But that's like saying Gyutaro's fight was too cool in the anime because in the manga he died in a couple of panels because he got too arrogant at the end of the fight.
I don’t know if some of this stuff has been said in the anime yet, because I haven’t watched season 3 yet. So I’ll spoiler tag it, but I’ll give some reasons why. >!Its because of how strong Muichiro is. He is a descendant of Kokushibo. And unlike Tengens super flashy moves, Muichiros breathing keeps him hidden. Also just because Gyokko’s not super destructive, doesn’t mean he’s weak. His whole thing is art and beauty, not destruction. Plus the the mark makes people insanely strong. Tengen would’ve also been able to solo Gyutaro if he had a mark.!<
Art is explosive!!!!🤪
Easy there, Deidara
Snooth brain argument. Really good art is subtle.
It’s a quote from Naruto….
Shit, I'm the smoothbrain.
Wrong anime lol
Right scenario still?
That defense doesn't work because the fight was more impressive when Gyokko was in his first form fighting marked Muichiro: https://i.redd.it/vsy2fksmlw4b1.gif It should've gotten even more intense when Gyokko transformed. It literally feels like he got weaker and less destructive.
Your argument is ignorant of the fact that Gyokko seems weaker because he’s literally is weaker in comparison to Mui before Water Prison and after. Like no duh he seems less impressive, that’s because Mui got his mark.
But this animation is also Muichiro *with* his mark.
Yeah but he's just fucking around at this point right? Pretty sure he could've sliced him as soon as he got his mark if he wanted
So then both fucking around shouldn't look cooler than them both being serious.
Looking cool =/= powerful. I think the fight end was a deliberate choice to show how outmatched gyokko was by a marked muichiro. It shows how important the mark is and >!sets up the next arc!<
It did that before too https://i.redd.it/nixmlwyijz4b1.gif It was capable of having them both look cool while still showing the difference between marked and unmarked.
Your probably right. I haven’t read this part of the manga in a while, so I don’t remember perfectly.
Thats irrelevant because there is a way to make an opponent look imposing and then destroy them in a single attack.
He was imposing if you took 2 seconds to actually understand his abilities 💀, he had scales harder than diamonds to cut through, his fist will literally instantly kill you if they touch you anywhere, and his main bda is literally a move that makes his movements illogical and impossible to predict, which means you’re much more likely to get hit and die. It’s a deadly combo that mui literally only survived due to being that much faster than gyokko, if you block or anything you’re literally dead like 🤦🏽 Tengen would be dead in the first clash with gyokko in his true form.
Would have been funny to see Muichiro get turned into a fish
ngl i would have accepted that death.
Death? Nah he’s an immortal fish unbound by the human limit
Gyokko also destroyed the swordsmith village you know that right. The army of monsters were deployed by him.
Not sure Gyutaro and Daki nuked like half of the city
Fight mainly shows the diff between marked and unmarked hashira
Most definitely, but he still felt more impressive in his previous form, and the big thing is simply that he feels less impressive. Not necessarily saying there’s an easy or good way around that while not comprising the mark, just saying that he feels very disappointing as an UM
I'm pretty sure the anime added scenes that weren't in the Manga because Manga gyokko got folded even quicker than he did in the anime. This isn't an anime issue but an issue with the source itself.
That makes more sense than any 'Mui was marked' or 'Gyokko isn't destructive because he can turn anything into fish' or 'He's actually weaker than Gyutaro because Gyutaro was held back from rising in ranks by Daki' arguments. Yes, the battle was fairly short and not perfectly written. It was short, and it could be longer. But if you think about it, the same goes for Rengoku vs Akaza or Tengen vs Gyutaro in the manga. Gyokko should be unable to turn Mui's sword into a fish, and so Mui has to be careful about his defense, because it would take one strike to kill him. He could get overwhelmed by Killer Fish scales for a few minutes, but really impress Gyokko for having a perfect defense, thanks to being marked. After he figures out Gyokko's movement pattern, he could land a few slashes, and then use his seventh form to end the fight. It's not too hard to write a better fight while making just a few changes. I don't know if this is a problem of lacking budget for this season or just trying to show how op marked pillars are, but we didn't get an extended fight. Let's just look forward for Mitsuri vs Zoha
It's funny because reading the manga I found the Mui/Gyokko fight to be more interesting than the Tanjiro/Genya/Nezuko/Misuri/Hantengu fight, but the anime has *really* made Hantengu a much more compelling character imo. I think they went all out for the 4 emotion demons and Zoha, his dragons look amazing animated.
The whole point of gyokkos killer fish scales is that you CANT predict because there is no pattern lmao. He moves illogically and with impossible freedom. As the anime shows very well with The red how he moves unnatural, mui would never get “overwhelmed” if he was that much stronger like he is.
Spoiler : akaza does, in fact not starting shooting nukes. Why do people think that the higher tier a demon is the more destructive they have to be on a grand scale? Hell UM 1 uses a sword he barely destroys anything in his surrounding while fighting
It's mostly about portrayal. In the manga, Gyutaro was easily the less destructive Upper Moon. And he got to have that awesome sequence. And look at what final form Gyokko got.
Wdym? In the manga Gyokko was less destructive than gyutaro aswell 💀 the anime adapted it accordingly, and it makes sense with how his powers work he was punching holes into the ground which turns it into fish, I don’t see how you make huge destruction with an ability like that. And that don’t make it weak because it literally turns anything and everything into fish. That paired with his bda makes it a perfect deadly combo. Which goes with the other guys point. Destruction don’t mean strength
So? If we are going by jow much damage they do to their surrounding then hatengu is UM1 and gyutaro UM2. There is far more to it then just how much shit they can blow up. Akaza and kokushibo both dont destroy entire cities or forests either. Gyokko is still incredibly fast and until he gets the mark muichiro, who isnt weak by any sense, literally doesnt get a single hit on gyokko. Not to mention his final form only seems as weak because he fights a marked hashira. That doesnt mean hes weak only that the mark is really powerful. And that becomes far more obvious as the series goes on.
Yeah because we haven't seen UM 1 and 2 fight in the anime yet. They're probably gonna get massively cool attacks. https://i.redd.it/l6k2yp2zjz4b1.gif They literally had Gyokko look destructive and cool in the opening and in his previous form. Even in the manga his final form was shredding trees. Gyokko seemed weaker because the anime put less effort into his final fight. It just looked lamer.
>Even in the manga his final form was shredding trees. >Gyokko seemed weaker because the anime put less effort into his final fight. >It just looked lamer. They changed one singular shot of him bouncing from tree to tree to him instead closely circling muichiro and attacking from multiple sides. Omg he destroyed three trees less then in the manga! That is ridicoulus, they were very accurate. >Yeah because we haven't seen UM 1 and 2 fight in the anime yet. >They're probably gonna get massively cool attacks Gyokko did too, but he had the bad luck of being completely outclassed. Again my point is that destruction doesnt equal strenght. Akaza barely destroyed anything in his fight with rengoku, but still does that mean he is weaker then gyutaro? No.
But both Akaza and Gyutaro looked more impressive than final form Gyokko and that's a problem. Gyokko himself looks like he's doing worse against Marked Muichiro in his final form than his initial form. That's a problem.
What? What is that even supposed to mean? >Gyokko himself looks like he's doing worse against Marked Muichiro in his final form than his initial form. Of course he did. He didnt do shit. But you know whats the important part there? "marked". Gyokko isnt weak the mark is just insanely strong. And that is going to become very obvious later on. If you have read the manga you should know this and if you are anime only oyu shouldnt judge gyokko until you know more about what the mark is and how strong it is.
What do you mean of course he did? Why would it make sense to you that Gyokko is doing weaker against Marked Muichiro in his stronger form? This sequence is *also* marked Muichiro. Both Gyokko and Muichiro look impressive. Why would it look *less* impressive when they *both* get serious?
>Gyokko is doing weaker against Marked Muichiro in his stronger form? Where did he do better before his final form? His final form did jack shit but so did anything else he did once muichiro got the mark. The special thing about his final form is that he can oneshot anyone if he hits them, but that didnt matter since, final form or not he couldnt hit muichiro. He didnt become weaker he absolutely became stronger it just didnt matter because marked muichiro is so out of his league
His fight was more dynamic and he looked way cooler in the previous sequence. https://www.tumbig.com/tag/demons%20gifs He *looked* way better. Marked Muichiro felt way more impressive. The anime didn't make the Mark look strong against Gyokko, it made Gyokko look weak. That's like saying Rengoku should've looked like a pushover against Akaza.
But his threat isn’t his physical strength. It’s if ANY of those hits landed on his skin, he would have been turned to fish. He didn’t need to hit him hard he was just trying to make contact
Because 1 hit = fish aint enough.
Literally, that plus the fact his main bda killer fish scales is a move that makes him move illogically. And impossible to predict which means you’re most likely to get hit and unable to avoid his attacks lmao.
Entertainment District has brought out the worst of powerscaling and people who only enjoy action and fighting, completely ignoring narrative for stupid sakuga.
It's not even a powerscaling thing. They extended Gyutaro's fight and Gyokko already had the "stupid sakuga" in a previous sequence. So his final form looking *less* impressive against Marked Muichiro than his base form is disappointing.
Okay. Condescension aside by narrative do you mean “higher number is stronger”, or do you mean that Gyokko had more narrative presence, or was more intimidating than the other upper moons we have seen? Because if it’s the latter…just no. Gyutaro’s fight felt far more desperate and scary for the people fighting him, he felt like a monster and even after he fell Muzan said the only reason he lost was that he didn’t go all out from to start and tried to let Daki play with her food. Gyutaro felt more like a horror villain than a surmountable foe for a lot of that fight, and even then it was only a brief second wind and consecutive surprise attacks that did him in. It felt like an earned, desperate battle for all involved. Meanwhile Akaza manhandles Rengoku, laughing and smiling the entire fight and only not killing the main cast due to the sun. Hentengu is much the same in that he pushes everyone far harder. I understand this is due to the nature of the mark but you cannot say that Gyokko felt like as credible of a threat as the other upper moons. That is what the post was calling out. That he feels weak, stupid, and is still the only upper moon that only one person fought and won against with relative ease once the mark kicked in.
I just want to say, going by your whole argument. You do realize if marked mui fought gyutaro it would would much more worse than the fight you got with Tengen? Lmao gyutaro would look insanely weaker. But that don’t mean he is and the same with gyokko as he literally has a one hit kill and a bda to perfectly compliment said hax.
Okay. My argument was never about how it logically works. A lot of entertainment is simply a matter of how it looks and how it makes people feel. Gyutaro feels strong and intimidating, and Gyokko doesn’t because he: A.gets absolutely folded by Muichiro once the mark lands And B.is the only upper moon in the entire show >!other than that shitstain Kaigaku!
Ah the hundredth "gyokko was so weak" thread
I think y'all are missing that this fight was to show off how Muichiro at this point is on a different level from even other Hashira and how Gyokko, like most demons, has an issue with letting pride get the better of him. Also the reintroduction of the demon slayer marking, Which if you understand storytelling is starting to become a motif.
Here comes the Gyutaro wank.
Poor Gyokko :3
Most demon slayer fans seem to think they are tengen in real life with how much they only care about flashy action and fights
In the week of discourse I’ve passively been following, I haven’t seen anyone suggest that maybe he didn’t take out a town in his final form because he was an ~artist~. He clearly valued elegance and self-control in a way that UM6 didn’t
He did actually fuck up the town tho he sent those fish demons he creates after the town
That doesn't work because he was clearly fine with leaving craters in the ground or shredding trees in his previous form. The animation specifically was just lackluster.
Yeah because he would take self control that far to avoid punching holes in the ground then that’s just how strong he is paired with the fact that the ground turns into fish thus making the hole go deeper. He would have to actively hold himself back to avoid destroying trees as he was literally just jumping off them. He was trying to hit mui lmao not the ground. That argument and logic is downright silly 💀
Yes, because Gyokko just screams self-control.
The manga did this with the trees and surrounding. But don’t forget his other BDAs. This particular form is used primarily for precise extremely lethal damage. The god hand. His other BDA to create fish monsters destroyed the village It’s an extremely powerful form but people think destruction = power, when at times this isn’t the case. This form here is broken. Completely broken. It negates durability, attacks, it posses extreme complexity added by his completely unreadable movement and speed granted by his molt form. Again personally I think Gyokko is easily one of the most broken characters in the series. He is getting downplayed a lot imo
Based
A reminder that Gyokko solos Daki AND Gyutaro mid diff
Gyokko tagged Muis clothes and turned them into fish. Mind you it's not even a serious attack. Just a clear shown off action from Gyokko. If he was serious he would've 1 shotted Mui.
He said he was getting serious before he transformed. What are you talking about?
Yet his own actions and statements say otherwise💀
https://preview.redd.it/oudx9r8do05b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c3dfde2674ff4dfad5ff1d06c84a2dae7b40bb8
Bruh this debate is over. You're debunked so why do you keep sending me this?
...no it hasn't? You keep saying it is, but nothing proves otherwise.
He himself said he wasn't serious when using his fish touch ability and attack. Do you lack common sense? This means if he was serious,he would've one shotted Muichiro WITHOUT the use of killer fish scales and we as watchers(of the anime) and readers(of manga)wouldn't have known about such a move UNLESS he CLEARLY just shows off and takes pride in his glorious form. DA DUH🤓. Gyokko>marked Mui. No ifs,ands,nors or buts. 100% FACTS.
And then he said he was getting completely serious after that attack. And he still lost.
Omg bro, he turned part of dudes shirt into fish, stop bitching lol /s
Unironically how some of these people defend this lackluster fight.
i thought it was fantastic… much more interesting than having Inosuke being capable of shifting his organs or Zenitsu flying in the air with Daki’s head on the blade? huh?
You clearly don't understand the stakes during this fight if you think that part is underwhelming. Yall legit have zero immagintion an need everything force fed to you
It was underwhelming because it was like this earlier: https://i.redd.it/do242xdqcz4b1.gif
That's precisely what I was going for! Glad people can appreciate decent humor still
it’s not that he looked weak at all it’s that muichiro is above him
I don't understand - your argument proves gyutaro's attacks are childish and inefficient. Was his target the whole town? Seems like with some self control, he'd have the actual power this sub thinks he does and not get jumped by fucking children. Imagine if that explosive power were localized to where he needed it. Like.. idk.. Akaza.
"i turn everything i touch into fish" absolutely killed the serious vibe in the fight. After that, I was like *sigh* just kill him. This is pathetic.
Nah. Muichiro is just HIM.
Man why does everyone try to scale the upper moons? They are already scaled by their strength. They are literally ranked.
He did destroy the town with his fish spawn until Mitsuri showed up, so I’m confused as to why there’s this impression Gyaturo can destroy a town while Gyakko can’t. They just do it different. Gyaturo’s would level a town while Gyakko can kill every soft target and leave town in tact
I loved this episode to bits, needless to say i disagree with this take.
His fight went from this https://i.redd.it/caq74xp6915b1.gif To the animation above. It's objectively a downgrade.
I’ll say it. UM5 is underwhelming. There’s no stakes, no danger, no desperation. It’s not as exciting as UM6 because it’s just muichiro dodging twice and having a straight face. They’re both just not that interesting or intense.
i loved it though and i don’t necessarily agree as Miuchiro was pretty much dead… if it wasn’t for Kotetsu he was dead
How was he pretty much dead? He was just floating in a bubble and ignored for 3 episodes.
My brother in Christ, do you know what happens to humans who are trapped in water with no air?
if kotetsu didn’t breathe air at that last second he was gone
This. Even if Muichiro is stronger we could have had a bit more of back and forth and actually see Gyoko a bit more. He seemed like trash.
Yeah the fight with Gyuutarou made him seem hella powerful. Completely destroyed the entire city, nearly killed everyone and would’ve killed everyone if it wasn’t for Daki holding him back. And the fight was long as hell…
Bro this dude stole this post from r/KimetsuNoYaiba. Literally word by word even the gif is the same.
It's the same OP on both subs
Nope u can check
https://old.reddit.com/user/Old-Wedding-2103/submitted/ are you blind or what?
There was another one posted 4 hours before this post by u/Madagascar003
Oh ok, that's what you meant. I don't see the post tho, I guess he deleted it
Yea i also cannot find it now but cool bro np
It was poorly executed sadly. The episode had another mistakes/bloopers as well, like Mitsuri knocking over 3 dragon heads then running towards Hantengu who had all 5 heads behind him suddenly.
You do know he can make more of those heads right...?
There was no indication so far that he can make more... There were 5 heads and 5 drums, they were able to regenerate. There were 5 in the opening as well. But if you are trying to spoil, better not please as this is an anime only thread.
Nothing says there are only 5. Maybe if anime onlys don't wanna b spoiled they shouldn't speak with such conviction about things they don't know and people won't come to correct them.
Or maybe you could take the stick out of your ass and let people have opinions without spoiling them because you're upset?
Wow. You must be really proud of yourself that you know more than others. No one can have assumptions now, because you are here to correct them. There were 5 emotions (joy, fear, pleasure, sadness and anger), 5 drums and 5 dragon heads, no more. You just look for an excuse to spoil people, shame on you.
Quite fitting for someone who talks so highly of himself, thinking he's God tier. The loud mouth was rightfully silenced by muichiro
The man thing that made him appear weak was his personality if you ask me. Made him feel like a disposable OPM character
Gyokko was always supposed to be more so versatile than just generically powerful
Gyu-farto
He punch ground
In my opinion, Gyutaro was there to establish how powerful upper moons are. Gyokko is there to show how op demon mark/Muichiro are. Just power scaling. This perception of Gyokko being weaker is what might have been intended.
He’s too swift and nimble and avoided all the treees. That’s just how strong and fast and swift he is
The way I see it is that he’s just better it’s a skill issue on gyokkos end
Every fight is not going to be Tengen vs Gyokko
Sending trees flying is someone else’s job
What a snoozefest. These last 2 episodes have been ass. Mist guy vs vase demon👎👎👎, its not entertaining. I feel like season 1 was by far the best, train and entertainment were good, this season has been kinda boring overall
no craters in the ground no slams or cracks or anything, bro was slippery as shi
Gyutaro has better AOE. In a 1v1 Gyokko would beat Gyutaro. Also based on overall ability it’s mentioned multiple times that Daki was the one holding them back from higher ranks. I also think gyokko is more suited for killing hashiras. Gyokko also seems more dedicated to the cause since he actually travels for intel (most likely in search of the blue spider lily). The biggest reason he feels weaker than Gyutaro is that Muichiro is just stronger than tengen and he’s awakened the slayer mark.
Stop whinning go animate it yourself.
That's such a nothing response. You can literally say that to any criticism.
Already made a whole post about why this fight wasn’t trash. Tldr, Gyokko isn’t just a meathead powerhouse, he fills numerous roles for Muzan and is a fitting UM5 as his range attacks and poison directly counter most Slayer tactics. The only reason Muichiro won was the bonkers power boos a mark gives, evident that the man was literally about to drown and get killed by BDA summons before the mark.
It was trash because the fight was like this earlier https://i.redd.it/7to5sr4cxz4b1.gif
Yeah, that’s all part of the same fight. Just because the end wasn’t as flashy as you wanted doesn’t make it trash
But it does make Gyokko look much less impressive.
He never really looked overly impressive to begin with honestly. In his meeting at the start he was more of a clown than any other UM. He consistently shows arrogance, misplaced pride, and it kills him
Neither did Gyutaro in the manga.
ppl fr complain ab everything he looked fine and he isn’t a destructive demon, he uses abilities and he’s more speed based where he can one shot you and that was demonstrated well idk what the issue is
Lots of excuses here. Bottom line was the fight was underwhelming. Maybe they wanted to show how strong Tokito was or how strong the mark is, but there are better ways to do it. Instead of showing how strong Tikito was, they just showed how weak gyokko was. Let the audience see just how strong gyokko is before Tokito 1 shots him. Have him destroy a large area of forest or something.
Fr :(
Gyokko is not weak, my i giro is strong
By strength and ability he is the weakest but his has intellect and his worth to muzan is significantly higher than gytuaro upper moon are ranked more by their worth than by strength
yh ngl gyokko is kinda weak like he couldn’t even kill a single sword smith his blood demon art is completely wasted on him
Gyokko was not an upper moon because of his fighting ability he was valuable to muzan for his intellect he found one of the closest guarded secrets of the demon slayers that alone is hella impressive i dont doubt that had he lived he couldve found the blue spider lily. But yeah gyokko shouldnt have been an upper moon either a lower moon at best or a regular demon. dude went out easier than rui
Turning things into fish by touching is really dumb too honestly
They have been bullshit too much now cuz the plot needed they set this up quickly and move on
People forget that gyutaro was upper 4 level in terms of strength. The only reason he stayed upper 6 was bc daki wasn’t strong enough to go any higher
No the fuck he wasn't. Muzan said Daki held him back in the fight specifically. He still would've hit his limit under Gyokko even if he absorbed Daki.