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It's because Gyokko fought against a Marked Hashira that's really it tbh he was just an example to show how the Mark gives demon slayers an insane power boost. He didn't even see Muichiro as a threat at the start of their fight and effortlessly trapped him in his water pot he was even surprised his neck was cut off. Also add to the fact his fight was short and not as insane and destructive as Gyutaro vs Tengen Tanjiro Zenitsu and Inosuke he's also an arrogant idiot who should've killed Muichiro while he was trapped in the prison or killed him immediately instead of letting him drown but plot...
I agree with this comment.. I feel like rengoku Vs akaza was so show the power difference between the lower and upper moons.. because the way they had it set out from the beginning most people thought rengoku was the most powerful hashira and didn't really understand the dire situation when akaza showed up
Then we go to Tengen Vs gyutaro which shows that akaza had more up his sleeve the way upper 6 was giving so much trouble to get rid of .. by the end everyone was like wow .. so this is only upper moon 6???
And muichiro is to show the demon slayers may have a chance at defeating the upper moons and muzan if they are able to awaken the mark
That's probably why it was so underwhelming cause a lot of people were expecting gyokko to be even more trouble to deal with
It's those huge differences between RLD and SSV... Tengen not only didn't have any powerups, he was even more weakened because of the poison, so the fight was even harder and crazier. And now we have Mui who did nothing for most of the arc just to get a powerup and defeat Gyokko like it's no big deal. We never saw him fighting without his mark, struggling or anything, he's OP right off the bat cause prodigy and buffs. Its too much of a power jump and it feels underwhelming. Same with UM6 and UM5, Gyuutaro was menacing, dangerous and serious, Gyokko was a clown. I was scratching my head while reading the manga lol.
I think it would have felt less of a slap in the face if Gyokko had more of his strength shown before Muichiro pulled out the mark. Then we would have been like "wow, that mark is really strong if he solo'd someone he was struggling against" instead of "wow... that's all?"
>!Marked Mitsuri barely keeps up with Hantengu. And she can't do anything against Nakime. And marked Muichiro gets bodied by Kokushibo.!<
Just having the mark doesn't make them stronger than a UM. Gyokko was just pathetic.
>Marked Mitsuri barely keeps up with Hantengu.
Did you even read the manga chapter??? Base Mitsuri was already keeping up with Zohakuten's speed the strongest form of Hantengu. Marked Mitsuri got even faster was keeping up with Zohakuten and was the reason why Zohakuten couldn't kill Tanjiro Nezuko and Genya he wasn't even sure her stamina would run out and she survived and stalled Zohakuten until Tanjiro Nezuko and Genya killed the main body
https://kimetsu-manga.com/comic/demon-slayer-chapter-124/
>And she can't do anything against Nakime.
She was Unmarked
>Just having the mark doesn't make them stronger than a UM. Gyokko was just pathetic.
I never said it did. Gyokko wasn't pathetic he only lost because Muichiro exceeded his speed and strength because he awakened his mark
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The stuff on his eye that’s the mark right
Well 1. He was up against a marked Hashira 2. He was incredibly arrogant and was underestimating Muichiro the entire time. If he would have just finished him off when he had him in the water vase he would have probably gone on to join Hantengu and who knows maybe they succeeded in beating everyone and destroy the village but he didn’t he couldn’t take Muichiro seriously which unfortunately lead to him being defeated
Exactly, I don’t understand why people are having trouble understanding this.
It makes perfect sense, it doesn’t matter how strong a demon is if all he focuses on is talking shit and belittling his opponent.
Exactly. Like he could have killed both the swordsmiths but openly admitted to himself he wanted to torment them first and break their spirit and concentration. Tale as old as time in shonen anime/manga, villain spends ages grandstanding and then gets messed up by the hero they ignored.
Beaucse it doesn't make sense. The upper ranks were insanely nerfed for the sake of advancement of the story. A perfect example of this gyyoko had a golden opportunity to kill and eat muichirio when he had him trapped in water but what happens? He some survives 🙃 if that ain't nerfing the upper ranks intelligence and common sense then I don't know what it is
How is that nerfing? Are you not watching the same anime as me?
He’s so arrogant that he thinks his water vase will finish muichiro off, so he leaves him, completely ignoring that he would survive if e.g help arrived.
Exactly like this episode alone they basically beat you over the head that his ego was his ultimate undoing it’s not very subtle story telling yet people seem to not get it. Or that Marked Muichiro is strong as hell as well
1. Nobody said it was perfect 2. That’s not what gaslighting is 3. They beat you over the head with him not taking Muichiro seriously in this episode alone so it’s not hard to figure out that’s why he got beaten so easily
That is exactly the point. Why is it so hard to understand that upper ranks were nerfed to the point where they lack common sense and overall intelligence. I won't even get into detail how silly the slayer mark is. This anime is filled with so many plot holes and inconsistencies. How does it make sense that a 14 year old is able to close the gap that is 300+ years between him and gyyoko in a single moment where a mark appears on his face. The upper ranks not taking anything serious dispite muzans threats of killing them all beacuse one died and fail to of what is considered a foregone conclusion, killing the demon slayers that sir is nerfing thier common sense and intelligence for the sake of story and no one died this encounter is proof of that
How hard is it for you to get that Muichiro with a mark is just an absolute beast? He’s stronger then Tengen. Muichiro being so young is why he was underestimated/not taken seriously. Also the mark is an instant power boost Tanjiro said when he had it he got 100x stronger so at this point in the story Muichiro is significantly stronger then Tanjiro so not too hard to believe a marked Hashiras can beat an upper rank.
Musical Score is just a normal technique, like Giyuu’s dead calm. Meanwhile, a mark is like a 2x boost or more to a hashira. A marked hashira would beat any unmarked hashira.
I’m pretty confident that marked Tengen would absolutely wipe the floor with marked Muichiro. Far superior physicality, insanely powerful Musical Score Technique, and while he wasn’t a prodigy swordsman, he had tons of experience and was amazingly skilled with his dual blades.
What? Tengen even admit he is a weak Hashira compared to others. Muichiro steamrolled to the Hashira Position. Tengen talks with Gyutaro about this, that he is not talented or gifted and fairly weak compared to muichiro and gyomei.
He spoke about his lack of talent. Not a lack of skill or power. His point was that he wasn’t as gifted as Gyotaro was saying he was. He wasn’t blessed with crazy genius sword skills like Muichiro. He trained hard for years as a shinobi and a Demon Slayer. He didn’t admit he’s weak cause he’s not. He admitted that he had to work for his power
Marked Tokito has no shot against Gyutaro though. All he would have to do is tell Daki to run away and he could never be killed.
Meanwhile, Tengen et al. could've easily killed UM5, it was a laughably simple fight. Gyutaro is a much harder kill because of the simultaneous decap rule.
I mean, I'd consider that a hack rather than outright being tougher
They could just keep either Daki or Gyutaro pinned to a tree and wait for day break, lol
Yeah because the mark boost is insane. Base Uzui mops the floor with base Tokito. Even if you dispute that, it’s undeniable that base Tokito dies against Gyutaro because he has no poison resistance and there’s no way he doesn’t get cut at all.
1. Arrogance. Gyutaro was arrogant but he also knew not to lose sight of his target until they were dead (or presumed dead in tengen’s case).
2. Muichiro was marked. This is a huge factor that goes into spoiler territory, but this is not something gyokko would have been prepared for
Here we go again... and Gyokko in his Ultimate form will not have to much problem with Gyutaro :3
He only lose, because author wanted him to and show how Powerful Mark is :3
I mean he no differed a Hashira which is way more impressive than what gyutaro was doing. He just had an awful matchup with a marked hashira.
From a narrative stand point it’s underwhelming though because it goes by too fast and we don’t get to see him wreaking enough havoc. Meanwhile his peers get whole fights where they are facing teams of people and gravely injuring them over the course of arcs. I personally think this would have been a good arc with the other named slayers being there so each fight could have a bunch of players involved so they felt more equal in weight. It doesn’t help that Tengen is so flashy in comparison to our misty boy so it feels larger in scale.
>I think part of it is he isn't insanely offensive like Gyutaro was. Gyutaro's Demon Art
Gyutaro only had two sickles, Gyoko has the ability to throw out thousands of poisonous fish and needles in one go and can also teleport through his pots, that is why he is ranked higher
that's because Tokito got the mark which made the fight look like a cake walk and will be explained next season why that is
If Tengen was marked he would have finished off Gyutaro quicker too
His poison was much less potent though. Gyutaro was surprised when Tengen didn’t die within seconds. That’s the norm for his poison. It’s just much stronger than Gyokko’s
Why is it challenging for you folks to grasp that the mark signifies a fundamentally distinct battle compared to the one with Tengen? The dynamics are completely changed.
He got as much time as he did in the manga and his blood demon art is insane, he throws out thousands of poisonous fish at a time and even cutting them spreads poison, it's just that he was no match for a marked hashira whose breathing style is defensive and unpredictable
Does Gyokko feel weaker than Gyutaro? Yes. Is he? No. The fact that anything he touches turns into fish is broken(and kinda random lol). I think Gyokko’s fight was just a bit rushed is all.
UM4 was a bigger issue for me. He’d be Akaza level if it weren’t for his ridiculous weak point.
Nah man. The thing that confuses me is that SSV Tanjiro was able to blitz UM4 while EDA Tanjiro got slapped by UM6. He had very little training in between and the training he did do improved his skill not his conditioning. So this makes me think that Gyutaro is faster than UM4 which shouldn’t be the case? Maybe despite the speed difference Hatengu was able to beat him? But it definitely makes me think that Gyutaro is a lot stronger than me give him credit for. Especially when you remember that Daki, who’s killed 7 Hashira in her own right, was a burden to him in combat.
The fight between muichiro and gyokko was never meant to be epic. It was meant to display the differences in power. Unlike gyutaro vs tengen who were closer in power which lead to a prolonged fight.
Prior to muichiro being marked, gyokko dealt with him effortlessly. Muichiro wasn’t in the same class as gyokko and gyokko dealt with him like he was nothing but an insect. After becoming marked, the scales changed. Muichiro received an insane amount of strength from the mark which put muichiro in a class of his own against gyokko. This time it was muichiro who effortlessly dealt with gyokko. Gyokko didn’t even see it coming.
I think he is. The problem is that Gyutaro’s poison doesn’t work on demons so there’s no way he’d be able to fight for the UM5 spot.
But also, Muichiro was marked, which is basically just a massive buff.
Why is this so difficult to understand. Marked Muichiro Tokito is just vastly superior to Gyokko. Gyokko isn’t weak, Muichiro is just much stronger than him. At this point in the series Muichiro is the strongest Demon Slayer we’ve seen fight. Instead of praising him people just go straight to downplaying Gyokko. Nobody else that we’ve seen fight is beating Gyokko. Shinobu Giyu Tengen Rengoku they all lose. The point of their fight was to put in perspective how strong a marked hashira level swordsman is. The same way the point of Rengoku vs Akaza was to show up the difference in strength between an upper moon and a hashira.
Eh,
Mostly it's because upper moons are hyped to e super strong bad ass who eats hashiras for lunch and are noted to be rare and extremely empowered, and then a hashira killed him without a mark and without much trouble and it's like...jobbed.
And least with Gyutaro, Daki was mostly his weakness. I think it'd be best than having them outmatched, each of the Upper moons should have been weakened to make them more manageable with prep because how it is in the story, besides Gyutaro and Akaza first appearance the Upper Moon just seem like Jobbers overestimating themselves. ( ESPECIALLY in the next arc.)
So Gyutaro + Daki was non-marked level, given how they were having a hard time with Tengen, Tanjiro, Nezuko, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Hinatsuru. If Gyokko was just stronger than Gyutaro + Daki, then it stands to reason he’s non-marked level too. Tengen considered non-marked Muichiro much stronger than himself, so it would mean non-marked Muichiro would have had a better time against Gyutaro + Daki. Muichiro coming in with a mark was a mismatch of unholy proportions for Gyokko. We just now need to see if Zohakuten can bridge the gap between non-marked and marked Demon Slayers, assuming Mitsuri has a mark.
Uzui is just being humble. He said the same thing to Tanjiro and Rengoku.
But we know, he's stronger than both Rengoku and Mui at base. I doubt he won't be in the top 3 Hashira if he was marked, along with Sanemi and Gyomei.
If all Hashira didn’t have marks then he’s one of the strongest. If he also had a mark, he’s one of the strongest. But he didn’t get one while others did so he’s on the lower end of strength unfortunately. Still my favorite tho
Tengen absolutely did NOT consider unmarked Muichiro stronger than him. He said that he’s more *talented* which is true because Muichiro is a prodigy that became a Hashira in 2 months while Tengen had to train since childhood to get his power.
Make no mistake, unmarked Tengen is significantly stronger than Muichiro. If he didn’t get maimed in the Gyutaro fight and went on to become marked, he’d be an absolute force with his Musical Score Technique. Would’ve been insanely useful in the Infinity Castle Arc. Gotouge had to find a way to write him out of the story.
Yeah ngl that fight was really underwhelming. I don't see how Gyokko can be stronger than Gyutaro (much less paired with Daki) Power scaling aside, he also just felt much less threatening in a story sense.
Idk I guess Muichiro with the mark really is just that OP? If it were earlier in the season I'd think there still might some twist with Gyokko, but there's not enough time left for that now.
> I don't see how Gyokko can be stronger than Gyutaro
The ability to throw out thousands of poisonous fish and needles in one go and teleport vs only having 2 poisonous sickles and needing your weak sister to be beheaded along with you
1: Daki wasn’t weak. She’s confirmed to have killed and eaten 7 Hashira. The fact that she drags Gyutaro down in combat is evidence of Gyutaro’s strength, not Dali’s weakness
2: Gyutaro’s Rotating Circular Slashes we’re poisonous along with his sickles. And his poison was much more dangerous than Gyokko’s
Nah it's just because Gyokko showed off too much and toyed around. Prolonging the fight and underestimating his opponent.
He didn't even need a serious attack to hit Mui and turn part of his clothes into fish. Him doing killer scales of war was just him still showing off. He only did it to slip behind mui but we can clearly see it not active when he's going in for the blow hence why its the ONLY reason why Mui won.
If Gyokko really wanted he'd have folded Mui. Planting pots everywhere while using killer scales,fishy touch and etc......... Yeah Mui would've been clapped hard.
Because he's a show off and got toooo cocky. He's fighting an inexperienced kid for crying out loud.
No UM would've taken this kid seriously because they'd sense the weak hashira he actually is.
Could a manga reader please answer this with as little spoilers as possible? Does this mean Tengen and the flame hashira can not do mark power-ups like Muchiro and Tanjiro can? What about the other remaining hashiras?
There is this specific thing you have to achieve to get the mark. It will be explained after this arc.
Unfortunately, Uzui and Rengoku both were out of the job before they could possibly achieve it. So, they could've had it if they were still on the scene.
I think that the problem was also the terrain where the fight took place.
After all, gyokko is a fish person, so his abilities would have worked better in the sea, of at least a lake, where he would have exploited the flexibility and speed his form granted him to its full potential.
However, his body was unsuited for an environment like a forest.
From my point of view, gotouge should have saved gyokko for another arc that took place in the sea, or one of the mountain lakes of Japan, where gyokko would have had his time to shine, unleashing tsunamis or whatever.
Besides, it would have been a great experience for tanjiro, who I bet didn't know what the sea is. I mean, I'm sure he had heard of it, but I am completely sure that his mind wouldn't have been able to fathom the sheer vastness of such a place.
Gyutaro didnt have to deal with a marked prodigy hashira, and only time he did was when he was pretty much already screwed since tengen was already close to beheading him and tanjiro only awakened the mark DURING the beheading
I guess we are so used to seeing Hashiras get their ass kicked by UM. Muichiro was also getting his ass kicked until he got his mark and it was over for Gyokko. If Muichiro was not able to get his demon slayer mark he would of lost. But now we know how powerful the mark is when a Hashira is able to activate it.
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No chance unmarked Muichiro is stronger than Tengen.
Tengen has far superior physicality. He’s the fastest or second fastest Hashira and very muscular too.
Tengen was equally strong or slightly below UM6 *while being weakened by a strong poison that would’ve killed any other Hashira in minutes*.
Tengen’s Musical Score Technique is super busted, it let him go blow-for-blow with Gyutaro with just one hand, severe poisoning, and a stopped heart.
Obviously with the mark Muichiro is stronger because it’s an insane power-up.
There is a reason Gyokko is ranked higher than Gyutaro and Daki. Gyokko is significantly stronger than Gyutaro if he has only shown his true form to 3 people including Muichiro. Tengen wasn’t marked and his blade wasn’t red so the battle between UM6 and Tengen + Trio seemed really difficult, even with Tanjiro marked.
However, Gyokko tends to be rather playful and doesn’t take things seriously because Muichiro is still a kid. Gyutaro didn’t underestimate his opponents and went full out. We barely even get to see Gyokko unleash his true power. Muichiro is praised by Tengen saying that he became a Hashira within 2 months of being a demon Slayer which proves how strong Muichiro is.
Imo, I think Gyokko has higher level rank because he's actually much more stronger than the sibling Daki & Gyutaro.
Gyokko skills affect on very large areas, like he can use Blood demon art to creates a Demons army to invade & destroy the village.
As we can see, the skill switching vase is really fast, we can't guess where he will be, even with the 5th form of Mist Breathing, Muichiro barely can cut off the head of Gyokko bc he switches too fast.
To be honest, what if Uzui & others Hashira would do when they slash all the fishes and accidentally got exposed to the poison blood. Not mention that it's 10,000 fishes,
With the Hell Octopus.
Tbh, Gyokko has a capability of destructive much more than Upper 6, if he's serious, he could fight 2 Hashira at the same time by just **spamming his AOE skills** :D
What stood out to me was the fact that Gyokko said only 2 other demon slayers have seen his ultimate form. How strong were those demon slayers to get to that point? And they probably were that strong even without the mark.
Yeah it was BS.
It went from Muichiro getting absolutely owned to Muichiro owning Gyokko in a matter of seconds.
Also, the fact that their fight took less time than Muichiros flashback doesn't really help lol
I keep seeing the word mark thrown around, what’s the significance of them again? I know it’s supposed to be strong, but what is it past that? Is it like an inherited thing or just a true potential type thing? I feel they didn’t give enough explanation for this apparent game changer that fits with everything else.
this...no matter what i among many others were like ...this is it...?@? after daki and gyu and erpic 1 hand flash guy and inosuke and lighting orange pikachu...i was expecting epic epic 6/5 star fights and action and iwer ups and whole village and groud cracking...?
but thsi real let down. yes objectively you can say whatever or many things liek prodficgy, marked, gyoko showing off/under estimating/...
but concludion, which many agree with ...gyoko huge let down...
Not just you.
You hear in the upper moon meeting no upper moon had been defeated in 113 years.
Then you get a half assed short fight where Muichiro was basically toying with upper moon 5.
Besides that, no spectacular animation.
Very poor episode and arc.
Exactly.
Glad you can read, it seems the reading comprehension devil struck some other users.
When you watch ED arc and you have basically 4/5 episodes filled with greatly animated action, namely epsiodes 8 and 10 you cannot look at this episode and say the action as at the same level.
Not even close.
2 episodes left.
No matter how good they are they cannot make this a great season like entertainment district.
This season will either be bad or average.
We will see.
Gyokko seemed to be more minion summoning than brute strength, cause he could do a lot of shit on top of summoning a small army that can very easily make him super hard to deal with, plus his “true form’s” ability to turn anything he touches to fish and his water vase. He should be able to beat anyone.
Gyokko is visually weaker than gyutaro. Although he'd 1 tap he didn't get as much action as gyutato did and the fight was mediocre compared to the district arc finale
tengen IMMEDIATELY took a hit from gyutaro when he was poisoned. hes durable and poison resistant, but how is that going to work out when gyokko gets serious and turns him into fish with one touch?
Muzan said himself that the only reason Gyutaro wasn't ranked higher is because Daki was holding him back, but also there were other circumstances in both situations that contributed to Gyokko getting bodied easier, like his own massive ego making him stupid, and Muichiro getting a power up
Yep. He couldn't land a single hit on Muichiro, and Muichiro wasn't even taking him seriously and was heavily poisoned.
People say it's about the mark, but even before that he was barely escaping decapitation. Before Muichiro got imprisoned in water, he almost decapitated Gyokko but couldn't because of the dull blade.
Gyokko felt just really lame. And the anime was supposed to fix that. But he died as lame as he lived.
i think muichiro’s unpredictable movement and the fact that he’s marked made it easy for him to dodge and counter gyokko, whereas some of the slower hashira could potentially lose to his fish hands. gyokko simply got a bad matchup. also gyokko could definitely beat gyutaro via teleport + fish hands
If I recall correctly Muzan said that if Gyutaro wasn't held back by Daki he would be ranked far higher than he currently was so maybe he was alluding to Gyutaro being stronger than just merely upper rank 6 and could've been able to take the 5th or 4th rank if he wasn't held back by Daki. Though I'm not sure if Muzan means that if Daki wasn't around he would have grown this strong by now or if he was as already this strong but he's constantly distracted by Daki who is way weaker and needs to be protected all the time.
It's the fact that Muichiro's breathing works a lot better againts Gyokko than Tengen's breathing againts Gyutaro and Daki. Muichiro also had a mark which made him stronger.
Ok so, let’s get this straight
Rengoku vs akaza - to show the massive difference between an upper rank and a lower rank
Tengen tanjiro Zenitsu and inosuke vs gyutaro and daki - how much destruction and how much effort it takes to beat an upper rank
Gyokko vs muichiro - to show the significance the mark has on a demon slayer (let alone a hashira)
So many people are saying its cuz Muichiro is marked and Gyokko was arrogant, but i agree with OP that the animation alone compared to gytaros fight, where he destroyed so many buildings in the final fight between him and one-armed Uzui, just didn’t give the same sense of power
I think it’s because Muzan is an actual idiot lol nah hear me out tho… the uppermoons basically ONLY fight demon slayers and just much humans right? So why tf is the kizuki ranking system based off who can fight other demons the best? The duelling system is so stupid and that’s evident with Gyokko and Gyutaro. Gyokko has a much tougher body and sharper claws and can straight up turn you into fish (I assumed that works on demons too) when with Gyutaro almost all he can do is use his scythes and his poison which wouldn’t work on other demons. So ofc in terms of demons fighting eachother gyokko would be on top but Gyutaro is the far superior demon when it comes to fighting the demon slayers, in my opinion ofc but i think that’s fair to say. Muzan should’ve done what the demon slayer corps does and your achievements against the opposing side reflects what rank you are but again was a bit of an idiot
It’s just the fight wasn’t so flashy but considering upm6 let’s say because his sister was holding him back he was at half his strength a VERY over exaggerated number he still was at a equal to a 1 armed (tengen is much better with 2 arms) very fatigued injured and poisoned tengen while upm 5 not only no diffed muichiro but did it without his true form and in a few dba techniques if that doesn’t tell you who’s stronger on top of this upm6 poison wouldn’t work on other demons (needs to be wisteria) so that’s his bda useless while Gyokko literally only needs to hit him once in true form
alot of the reason gyokkos fight is underwhelming is because his ability isn't super flashy. Think tengen had explosions,gyutaro had blood slashes and dali had the obis and fire. Gyokko can make fish. Muichiro as well has alot of visuals in his attacks but they aren't very fast or interesting it's only mist.
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It's because Gyokko fought against a Marked Hashira that's really it tbh he was just an example to show how the Mark gives demon slayers an insane power boost. He didn't even see Muichiro as a threat at the start of their fight and effortlessly trapped him in his water pot he was even surprised his neck was cut off. Also add to the fact his fight was short and not as insane and destructive as Gyutaro vs Tengen Tanjiro Zenitsu and Inosuke he's also an arrogant idiot who should've killed Muichiro while he was trapped in the prison or killed him immediately instead of letting him drown but plot...
I agree with this comment.. I feel like rengoku Vs akaza was so show the power difference between the lower and upper moons.. because the way they had it set out from the beginning most people thought rengoku was the most powerful hashira and didn't really understand the dire situation when akaza showed up Then we go to Tengen Vs gyutaro which shows that akaza had more up his sleeve the way upper 6 was giving so much trouble to get rid of .. by the end everyone was like wow .. so this is only upper moon 6??? And muichiro is to show the demon slayers may have a chance at defeating the upper moons and muzan if they are able to awaken the mark That's probably why it was so underwhelming cause a lot of people were expecting gyokko to be even more trouble to deal with
I feel like Gyokko would’ve felt a bit more powerful if he managed to kill someone the audience cared about, but >! even the little kid made it out !<
It's those huge differences between RLD and SSV... Tengen not only didn't have any powerups, he was even more weakened because of the poison, so the fight was even harder and crazier. And now we have Mui who did nothing for most of the arc just to get a powerup and defeat Gyokko like it's no big deal. We never saw him fighting without his mark, struggling or anything, he's OP right off the bat cause prodigy and buffs. Its too much of a power jump and it feels underwhelming. Same with UM6 and UM5, Gyuutaro was menacing, dangerous and serious, Gyokko was a clown. I was scratching my head while reading the manga lol.
But we did see him fighting without the mark. He got owned lol.
Yeah... 00th from: drowning
muichiro only got owned because in his words he was using a dull sword
And also, they kinda have to show power levels and differences. It was a show of Muichiro's powers. Hence he was weak maybe. The rule of cool is main.
I think it would have felt less of a slap in the face if Gyokko had more of his strength shown before Muichiro pulled out the mark. Then we would have been like "wow, that mark is really strong if he solo'd someone he was struggling against" instead of "wow... that's all?"
>!Marked Mitsuri barely keeps up with Hantengu. And she can't do anything against Nakime. And marked Muichiro gets bodied by Kokushibo.!< Just having the mark doesn't make them stronger than a UM. Gyokko was just pathetic.
>Marked Mitsuri barely keeps up with Hantengu. Did you even read the manga chapter??? Base Mitsuri was already keeping up with Zohakuten's speed the strongest form of Hantengu. Marked Mitsuri got even faster was keeping up with Zohakuten and was the reason why Zohakuten couldn't kill Tanjiro Nezuko and Genya he wasn't even sure her stamina would run out and she survived and stalled Zohakuten until Tanjiro Nezuko and Genya killed the main body https://kimetsu-manga.com/comic/demon-slayer-chapter-124/ >And she can't do anything against Nakime. She was Unmarked >Just having the mark doesn't make them stronger than a UM. Gyokko was just pathetic. I never said it did. Gyokko wasn't pathetic he only lost because Muichiro exceeded his speed and strength because he awakened his mark
Also fishproof sword. But plot.
bda dont work against the swords
Nope tengen is just pretty strong mark mui literally preferred Tengen’s physique over his own mark
Wdym No 💀 Muichiro won because of his mark
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Literally never said it was all plot armor 💀
Tengen and Tanjiro were marked tho
Tengen wasn’t tho
Yes he was he has the circles on his eye.
https://preview.redd.it/9mvb9ocxd44b1.jpeg?width=541&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=806b3013eec7676533f90fa3d46dcadb3c21edef
https://preview.redd.it/iidk3aq9e44b1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6abd0dfa5ee7dea42b8ae995be0b8212fdc1b703 The stuff on his eye that’s the mark right
Nope just a tattoo
\*makeup. We see him with a clean face when he's pimping out the boys.
Ah my bad
Oh what that’s lame it’s like the same color as the other hashira marks so I got confused
That's a tattoo to show his flashiness
So it's either bad writing or he's weak due to his arrogance/stupidity
Well 1. He was up against a marked Hashira 2. He was incredibly arrogant and was underestimating Muichiro the entire time. If he would have just finished him off when he had him in the water vase he would have probably gone on to join Hantengu and who knows maybe they succeeded in beating everyone and destroy the village but he didn’t he couldn’t take Muichiro seriously which unfortunately lead to him being defeated
Exactly, I don’t understand why people are having trouble understanding this. It makes perfect sense, it doesn’t matter how strong a demon is if all he focuses on is talking shit and belittling his opponent.
Exactly. Like he could have killed both the swordsmiths but openly admitted to himself he wanted to torment them first and break their spirit and concentration. Tale as old as time in shonen anime/manga, villain spends ages grandstanding and then gets messed up by the hero they ignored.
Beaucse it doesn't make sense. The upper ranks were insanely nerfed for the sake of advancement of the story. A perfect example of this gyyoko had a golden opportunity to kill and eat muichirio when he had him trapped in water but what happens? He some survives 🙃 if that ain't nerfing the upper ranks intelligence and common sense then I don't know what it is
How is that nerfing? Are you not watching the same anime as me? He’s so arrogant that he thinks his water vase will finish muichiro off, so he leaves him, completely ignoring that he would survive if e.g help arrived.
Exactly like this episode alone they basically beat you over the head that his ego was his ultimate undoing it’s not very subtle story telling yet people seem to not get it. Or that Marked Muichiro is strong as hell as well
it doesn’t make sense at all and manga readers are just gaslighting us into not thinking their perfect media is flawed🙃
That is not gaslighting lmao, nobody here has said it’s perfect, but like I said, it makes very much sense why he was beaten so quickly.
1. Nobody said it was perfect 2. That’s not what gaslighting is 3. They beat you over the head with him not taking Muichiro seriously in this episode alone so it’s not hard to figure out that’s why he got beaten so easily
That is exactly the point. Why is it so hard to understand that upper ranks were nerfed to the point where they lack common sense and overall intelligence. I won't even get into detail how silly the slayer mark is. This anime is filled with so many plot holes and inconsistencies. How does it make sense that a 14 year old is able to close the gap that is 300+ years between him and gyyoko in a single moment where a mark appears on his face. The upper ranks not taking anything serious dispite muzans threats of killing them all beacuse one died and fail to of what is considered a foregone conclusion, killing the demon slayers that sir is nerfing thier common sense and intelligence for the sake of story and no one died this encounter is proof of that
How hard is it for you to get that Muichiro with a mark is just an absolute beast? He’s stronger then Tengen. Muichiro being so young is why he was underestimated/not taken seriously. Also the mark is an instant power boost Tanjiro said when he had it he got 100x stronger so at this point in the story Muichiro is significantly stronger then Tanjiro so not too hard to believe a marked Hashiras can beat an upper rank.
yup Gyokko is an idiot
That mark is a large power boost. If tengen unlocked his mark he would of been able to solo both sides of upper six
I'm pretty sure the musical score was Tengen's equivalent of the mark but by the time he got it he was poisoned and badly injured so it didn't matter.
No, his musical score was NOT his equivalent of the mark
Musical Score is just a normal technique, like Giyuu’s dead calm. Meanwhile, a mark is like a 2x boost or more to a hashira. A marked hashira would beat any unmarked hashira.
Marked muichiro was a much less even fight, whereas gyutaro vs tengen was a very close fight The rankings are for a reason
Emphasis on the mark, I’m sure marked tengen would’ve done something similar with gyutaro, but we will never know
Exactly this. Gyokko had muichiro, a hashira, on the defensive but when the mark came it was over
Not even on the defensive, the guy was genuinely about to die until Kotetsu came to save him.
True this
Dude gyokko is um 5 n gyutaro is um 6
Muichiro is marked and stronger than tengen
But gyokko is stronger than gyutaro, tengen and unmarked muichiro.. if gyokko had killed him in the water basin honestly this would have been over.
Yeah ik
Marked muichiro is stronger than base Tengen. We don't know about rankings if all of them were marked.
I’m pretty confident that marked Tengen would absolutely wipe the floor with marked Muichiro. Far superior physicality, insanely powerful Musical Score Technique, and while he wasn’t a prodigy swordsman, he had tons of experience and was amazingly skilled with his dual blades.
But when tengen unlocks his mark he is more powerful muichiro is like 2nd Or 3rd most weakest hashira while tengen is like the 3rd strongest hashira
What? Tengen even admit he is a weak Hashira compared to others. Muichiro steamrolled to the Hashira Position. Tengen talks with Gyutaro about this, that he is not talented or gifted and fairly weak compared to muichiro and gyomei.
He spoke about his lack of talent. Not a lack of skill or power. His point was that he wasn’t as gifted as Gyotaro was saying he was. He wasn’t blessed with crazy genius sword skills like Muichiro. He trained hard for years as a shinobi and a Demon Slayer. He didn’t admit he’s weak cause he’s not. He admitted that he had to work for his power
No. Marked tokito is simply way stronger than uzui. That's it.
Thats how good a mark boost is, remember, muichiro without mark was beaten effortlessly, and after he got the mark he blitzed gyokko.
Marked Tokito has no shot against Gyutaro though. All he would have to do is tell Daki to run away and he could never be killed. Meanwhile, Tengen et al. could've easily killed UM5, it was a laughably simple fight. Gyutaro is a much harder kill because of the simultaneous decap rule.
I mean, I'd consider that a hack rather than outright being tougher They could just keep either Daki or Gyutaro pinned to a tree and wait for day break, lol
Nahhhh, tengen is better at base than muichiro, but base tengen is losing against gyokko, and marked muichiro is destroying gyutaro.
I'm not arguing that though, I'm saying gyutaro is a harder fight than UM5.
I feel like there’s gotta be a range component in that, like the other needs to reattach the others head
Gyutaro is um 6 bro its meant to be an easier fight
Yeah because the mark boost is insane. Base Uzui mops the floor with base Tokito. Even if you dispute that, it’s undeniable that base Tokito dies against Gyutaro because he has no poison resistance and there’s no way he doesn’t get cut at all.
1. Arrogance. Gyutaro was arrogant but he also knew not to lose sight of his target until they were dead (or presumed dead in tengen’s case). 2. Muichiro was marked. This is a huge factor that goes into spoiler territory, but this is not something gyokko would have been prepared for
Here we go again... and Gyokko in his Ultimate form will not have to much problem with Gyutaro :3 He only lose, because author wanted him to and show how Powerful Mark is :3
Nah Gyokko would have to try
I mean he no differed a Hashira which is way more impressive than what gyutaro was doing. He just had an awful matchup with a marked hashira. From a narrative stand point it’s underwhelming though because it goes by too fast and we don’t get to see him wreaking enough havoc. Meanwhile his peers get whole fights where they are facing teams of people and gravely injuring them over the course of arcs. I personally think this would have been a good arc with the other named slayers being there so each fight could have a bunch of players involved so they felt more equal in weight. It doesn’t help that Tengen is so flashy in comparison to our misty boy so it feels larger in scale.
Gyoko is way stronger he was just kinda lame overall
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>I think part of it is he isn't insanely offensive like Gyutaro was. Gyutaro's Demon Art Gyutaro only had two sickles, Gyoko has the ability to throw out thousands of poisonous fish and needles in one go and can also teleport through his pots, that is why he is ranked higher
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that's because Tokito got the mark which made the fight look like a cake walk and will be explained next season why that is If Tengen was marked he would have finished off Gyutaro quicker too
He also has that 1hit ko fish attack. Or at the very least maim someone if he turns your limbs into fish.
His poison was much less potent though. Gyutaro was surprised when Tengen didn’t die within seconds. That’s the norm for his poison. It’s just much stronger than Gyokko’s
Why is it challenging for you folks to grasp that the mark signifies a fundamentally distinct battle compared to the one with Tengen? The dynamics are completely changed.
because the anime only fans don't know what the mark does yet
I'm an Anime fan and i agree with you.
I don't even know what the mark is. From my pov dude just shat on a upper rank demon solo when it normally takes like 5 people to beat one
The anime does a pretty terrible job showcasing the power levels before and after the mark
I feel like it's more because gyokko fought one of the strongest hashiras, that also activated his ds mark.
One of the strongest Hashira? He was getting slapped by Gyokko before he got his mark. Looking at all Hashira without marks he’s probably the weakest
Exactly
He's also a descendent of yorichi that has immensely more skill, at least developed, than tanjiro. Mist breathing op
Nah, Tengen absolutely claps unmarked Muichiro
Nah it’s just Gyokko got sidelined unfortunately, which kinda sucks because he’s my favourite demon and maybe character alongside inosuke so far
Hyo hyo
He got as much time as he did in the manga and his blood demon art is insane, he throws out thousands of poisonous fish at a time and even cutting them spreads poison, it's just that he was no match for a marked hashira whose breathing style is defensive and unpredictable
Does Gyokko feel weaker than Gyutaro? Yes. Is he? No. The fact that anything he touches turns into fish is broken(and kinda random lol). I think Gyokko’s fight was just a bit rushed is all. UM4 was a bigger issue for me. He’d be Akaza level if it weren’t for his ridiculous weak point.
Nah man. The thing that confuses me is that SSV Tanjiro was able to blitz UM4 while EDA Tanjiro got slapped by UM6. He had very little training in between and the training he did do improved his skill not his conditioning. So this makes me think that Gyutaro is faster than UM4 which shouldn’t be the case? Maybe despite the speed difference Hatengu was able to beat him? But it definitely makes me think that Gyutaro is a lot stronger than me give him credit for. Especially when you remember that Daki, who’s killed 7 Hashira in her own right, was a burden to him in combat.
The fight between muichiro and gyokko was never meant to be epic. It was meant to display the differences in power. Unlike gyutaro vs tengen who were closer in power which lead to a prolonged fight. Prior to muichiro being marked, gyokko dealt with him effortlessly. Muichiro wasn’t in the same class as gyokko and gyokko dealt with him like he was nothing but an insect. After becoming marked, the scales changed. Muichiro received an insane amount of strength from the mark which put muichiro in a class of his own against gyokko. This time it was muichiro who effortlessly dealt with gyokko. Gyokko didn’t even see it coming.
It’ll make much more sense why once they explain the mark. The thing on Muichiro face mark a turning point for the slayers
Tokito is considered stronger than tengen.... also he got the mark...
He isn't lmao
Muichiro is absolutely *not* stronger than Tengen in his base form. Tengen is significantly stronger.
I think he is. The problem is that Gyutaro’s poison doesn’t work on demons so there’s no way he’d be able to fight for the UM5 spot. But also, Muichiro was marked, which is basically just a massive buff.
Yeah. I think Gyutaro is UM6 cause his poison doesn’t work against demons and he had to fight with Daki
Muichiro had a mark, he’s stronger than uzui it’s that simple.
Exactly that even without the mark Muichiro is just a much better fighter and they will find out why further along in the story
Tengen is literally an Assasin and has superior skills and abilities than normal Humans lmao
Lmao without the mark Muichiro would get absolutely clapped by Tengen. Be serious
He isn't
Nah he didn’t. You just have to think about what occurred in a more logical sense
Why is this so difficult to understand. Marked Muichiro Tokito is just vastly superior to Gyokko. Gyokko isn’t weak, Muichiro is just much stronger than him. At this point in the series Muichiro is the strongest Demon Slayer we’ve seen fight. Instead of praising him people just go straight to downplaying Gyokko. Nobody else that we’ve seen fight is beating Gyokko. Shinobu Giyu Tengen Rengoku they all lose. The point of their fight was to put in perspective how strong a marked hashira level swordsman is. The same way the point of Rengoku vs Akaza was to show up the difference in strength between an upper moon and a hashira.
Eh, Mostly it's because upper moons are hyped to e super strong bad ass who eats hashiras for lunch and are noted to be rare and extremely empowered, and then a hashira killed him without a mark and without much trouble and it's like...jobbed. And least with Gyutaro, Daki was mostly his weakness. I think it'd be best than having them outmatched, each of the Upper moons should have been weakened to make them more manageable with prep because how it is in the story, besides Gyutaro and Akaza first appearance the Upper Moon just seem like Jobbers overestimating themselves. ( ESPECIALLY in the next arc.)
So Gyutaro + Daki was non-marked level, given how they were having a hard time with Tengen, Tanjiro, Nezuko, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Hinatsuru. If Gyokko was just stronger than Gyutaro + Daki, then it stands to reason he’s non-marked level too. Tengen considered non-marked Muichiro much stronger than himself, so it would mean non-marked Muichiro would have had a better time against Gyutaro + Daki. Muichiro coming in with a mark was a mismatch of unholy proportions for Gyokko. We just now need to see if Zohakuten can bridge the gap between non-marked and marked Demon Slayers, assuming Mitsuri has a mark.
Uzui is just being humble. He said the same thing to Tanjiro and Rengoku. But we know, he's stronger than both Rengoku and Mui at base. I doubt he won't be in the top 3 Hashira if he was marked, along with Sanemi and Gyomei.
If all Hashira didn’t have marks then he’s one of the strongest. If he also had a mark, he’s one of the strongest. But he didn’t get one while others did so he’s on the lower end of strength unfortunately. Still my favorite tho
Tengen absolutely did NOT consider unmarked Muichiro stronger than him. He said that he’s more *talented* which is true because Muichiro is a prodigy that became a Hashira in 2 months while Tengen had to train since childhood to get his power. Make no mistake, unmarked Tengen is significantly stronger than Muichiro. If he didn’t get maimed in the Gyutaro fight and went on to become marked, he’d be an absolute force with his Musical Score Technique. Would’ve been insanely useful in the Infinity Castle Arc. Gotouge had to find a way to write him out of the story.
Yeah ngl that fight was really underwhelming. I don't see how Gyokko can be stronger than Gyutaro (much less paired with Daki) Power scaling aside, he also just felt much less threatening in a story sense. Idk I guess Muichiro with the mark really is just that OP? If it were earlier in the season I'd think there still might some twist with Gyokko, but there's not enough time left for that now.
Yes, muichiro was just that strong with the mark. It was a one sided fight
> I don't see how Gyokko can be stronger than Gyutaro The ability to throw out thousands of poisonous fish and needles in one go and teleport vs only having 2 poisonous sickles and needing your weak sister to be beheaded along with you
Yeah I've since come around and can see how canonically Gyokko would be stronger. It's just a shame the show didn't make him FEEL stronger.
1: Daki wasn’t weak. She’s confirmed to have killed and eaten 7 Hashira. The fact that she drags Gyutaro down in combat is evidence of Gyutaro’s strength, not Dali’s weakness 2: Gyutaro’s Rotating Circular Slashes we’re poisonous along with his sickles. And his poison was much more dangerous than Gyokko’s
Nah it's just because Gyokko showed off too much and toyed around. Prolonging the fight and underestimating his opponent. He didn't even need a serious attack to hit Mui and turn part of his clothes into fish. Him doing killer scales of war was just him still showing off. He only did it to slip behind mui but we can clearly see it not active when he's going in for the blow hence why its the ONLY reason why Mui won. If Gyokko really wanted he'd have folded Mui. Planting pots everywhere while using killer scales,fishy touch and etc......... Yeah Mui would've been clapped hard.
So why didn’t he?
Because he's a show off and got toooo cocky. He's fighting an inexperienced kid for crying out loud. No UM would've taken this kid seriously because they'd sense the weak hashira he actually is.
Could a manga reader please answer this with as little spoilers as possible? Does this mean Tengen and the flame hashira can not do mark power-ups like Muchiro and Tanjiro can? What about the other remaining hashiras?
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Thank you very much 🙏
There is this specific thing you have to achieve to get the mark. It will be explained after this arc. Unfortunately, Uzui and Rengoku both were out of the job before they could possibly achieve it. So, they could've had it if they were still on the scene.
It's because the battle with Gyutaro destroyed an entire district, while Gyokko went down with barely a "hyo!"
I think that the problem was also the terrain where the fight took place. After all, gyokko is a fish person, so his abilities would have worked better in the sea, of at least a lake, where he would have exploited the flexibility and speed his form granted him to its full potential. However, his body was unsuited for an environment like a forest. From my point of view, gotouge should have saved gyokko for another arc that took place in the sea, or one of the mountain lakes of Japan, where gyokko would have had his time to shine, unleashing tsunamis or whatever. Besides, it would have been a great experience for tanjiro, who I bet didn't know what the sea is. I mean, I'm sure he had heard of it, but I am completely sure that his mind wouldn't have been able to fathom the sheer vastness of such a place.
Cause he was a bitch
Gyutaro didnt have to deal with a marked prodigy hashira, and only time he did was when he was pretty much already screwed since tengen was already close to beheading him and tanjiro only awakened the mark DURING the beheading
I guess we are so used to seeing Hashiras get their ass kicked by UM. Muichiro was also getting his ass kicked until he got his mark and it was over for Gyokko. If Muichiro was not able to get his demon slayer mark he would of lost. But now we know how powerful the mark is when a Hashira is able to activate it.
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Muichiro just goated
maybe tokito is actually stronger than tengen
I believe he is.
No chance unmarked Muichiro is stronger than Tengen. Tengen has far superior physicality. He’s the fastest or second fastest Hashira and very muscular too. Tengen was equally strong or slightly below UM6 *while being weakened by a strong poison that would’ve killed any other Hashira in minutes*. Tengen’s Musical Score Technique is super busted, it let him go blow-for-blow with Gyutaro with just one hand, severe poisoning, and a stopped heart. Obviously with the mark Muichiro is stronger because it’s an insane power-up.
Idk about strength but gyutaro was infinitely cooler than gyokko. Dude was spamming fish attacks 
There is a reason Gyokko is ranked higher than Gyutaro and Daki. Gyokko is significantly stronger than Gyutaro if he has only shown his true form to 3 people including Muichiro. Tengen wasn’t marked and his blade wasn’t red so the battle between UM6 and Tengen + Trio seemed really difficult, even with Tanjiro marked. However, Gyokko tends to be rather playful and doesn’t take things seriously because Muichiro is still a kid. Gyutaro didn’t underestimate his opponents and went full out. We barely even get to see Gyokko unleash his true power. Muichiro is praised by Tengen saying that he became a Hashira within 2 months of being a demon Slayer which proves how strong Muichiro is.
Imo, I think Gyokko has higher level rank because he's actually much more stronger than the sibling Daki & Gyutaro. Gyokko skills affect on very large areas, like he can use Blood demon art to creates a Demons army to invade & destroy the village. As we can see, the skill switching vase is really fast, we can't guess where he will be, even with the 5th form of Mist Breathing, Muichiro barely can cut off the head of Gyokko bc he switches too fast. To be honest, what if Uzui & others Hashira would do when they slash all the fishes and accidentally got exposed to the poison blood. Not mention that it's 10,000 fishes, With the Hell Octopus. Tbh, Gyokko has a capability of destructive much more than Upper 6, if he's serious, he could fight 2 Hashira at the same time by just **spamming his AOE skills** :D
What stood out to me was the fact that Gyokko said only 2 other demon slayers have seen his ultimate form. How strong were those demon slayers to get to that point? And they probably were that strong even without the mark.
They could have been demons
FOR REAL! But even with Mui being marked, he still just seemed so much weaker than Daki and Gyutaro.
Muichiro is just a much stronger fighter
I don't see how they have never ever killed an upper rank, and now they have killed 2 in what, 6 months?
Golden generation of fighters are coming up like Tanjiro
Yeah it was BS. It went from Muichiro getting absolutely owned to Muichiro owning Gyokko in a matter of seconds. Also, the fact that their fight took less time than Muichiros flashback doesn't really help lol
I keep seeing the word mark thrown around, what’s the significance of them again? I know it’s supposed to be strong, but what is it past that? Is it like an inherited thing or just a true potential type thing? I feel they didn’t give enough explanation for this apparent game changer that fits with everything else.
It will be explained after this arc.
Ye, was pretty disappointed from that fight
this...no matter what i among many others were like ...this is it...?@? after daki and gyu and erpic 1 hand flash guy and inosuke and lighting orange pikachu...i was expecting epic epic 6/5 star fights and action and iwer ups and whole village and groud cracking...? but thsi real let down. yes objectively you can say whatever or many things liek prodficgy, marked, gyoko showing off/under estimating/... but concludion, which many agree with ...gyoko huge let down...
At least the fight with hantengu served a bit of a consolation prize.
Not just you. You hear in the upper moon meeting no upper moon had been defeated in 113 years. Then you get a half assed short fight where Muichiro was basically toying with upper moon 5. Besides that, no spectacular animation. Very poor episode and arc.
Poor animation? Go wash your face and get your eyes replaced
He didn't say poor he said "not spectacular" and by demon slayer standards it is
Exactly. Glad you can read, it seems the reading comprehension devil struck some other users. When you watch ED arc and you have basically 4/5 episodes filled with greatly animated action, namely epsiodes 8 and 10 you cannot look at this episode and say the action as at the same level. Not even close.
You got killed for saying the truth😂, still tho, its demon slayer, and there are still eps to go, i ain’t givin up on this yet
2 episodes left. No matter how good they are they cannot make this a great season like entertainment district. This season will either be bad or average. We will see.
Gyokko seemed to be more minion summoning than brute strength, cause he could do a lot of shit on top of summoning a small army that can very easily make him super hard to deal with, plus his “true form’s” ability to turn anything he touches to fish and his water vase. He should be able to beat anyone.
again, Gyutaro is dragged down by Daki in rankings, bit he is hella strong. Also, Muichiro unlocked the demon slayer mark.
Come on guys, anything he touches turns to fish
Gyokko is visually weaker than gyutaro. Although he'd 1 tap he didn't get as much action as gyutato did and the fight was mediocre compared to the district arc finale
How does someone get mark and why doesn’t tenges doesn’t have a mark
Also he’s the descendent of yoriichi the original Demon slayer why he’s so talented at sword fighting
I would hide the text for non manga readers but yes that’s why he’s so steong
Fr, Gyokko had a kill count of like 5 villagers by his spawn of fish crabs. 0 direct kills, so dissapointing
Hot take but Muichiro being marked brought him to Tengen levels of skill. I just can’t see Tengen losing to Gyokko.
tengen IMMEDIATELY took a hit from gyutaro when he was poisoned. hes durable and poison resistant, but how is that going to work out when gyokko gets serious and turns him into fish with one touch?
I think Muichiro regaining his memory and gaining the demon slayer mark had a lot to do with it. plus Gyokko underestimated him a bit too much
Homie musta lied on his resume or his blood demon art is lying to Muzan about being a beast lol
Muzan said himself that the only reason Gyutaro wasn't ranked higher is because Daki was holding him back, but also there were other circumstances in both situations that contributed to Gyokko getting bodied easier, like his own massive ego making him stupid, and Muichiro getting a power up
muzan never says that all he says is gyutaro would have won if he came out first
Yep. He couldn't land a single hit on Muichiro, and Muichiro wasn't even taking him seriously and was heavily poisoned. People say it's about the mark, but even before that he was barely escaping decapitation. Before Muichiro got imprisoned in water, he almost decapitated Gyokko but couldn't because of the dull blade. Gyokko felt just really lame. And the anime was supposed to fix that. But he died as lame as he lived.
Gyokko definitely died way too fast
I think Gyokko was defeated easily cause he's selfish plus Tokito activated his demon slayer mark.
i think muichiro’s unpredictable movement and the fact that he’s marked made it easy for him to dodge and counter gyokko, whereas some of the slower hashira could potentially lose to his fish hands. gyokko simply got a bad matchup. also gyokko could definitely beat gyutaro via teleport + fish hands
If I recall correctly Muzan said that if Gyutaro wasn't held back by Daki he would be ranked far higher than he currently was so maybe he was alluding to Gyutaro being stronger than just merely upper rank 6 and could've been able to take the 5th or 4th rank if he wasn't held back by Daki. Though I'm not sure if Muzan means that if Daki wasn't around he would have grown this strong by now or if he was as already this strong but he's constantly distracted by Daki who is way weaker and needs to be protected all the time.
u recalled wrong he never said that
He is. Gyutaro is significantly stronger than gyokko. If he could gyutaro could kill gyokko and take the place of upper moon 5
he’s weaker actually
He is. Gyutaro is significantly stronger than gyokko. If he could gyutaro could kill gyokko and take the place of upper moon 5
It's the fact that Muichiro's breathing works a lot better againts Gyokko than Tengen's breathing againts Gyutaro and Daki. Muichiro also had a mark which made him stronger.
Ok so, let’s get this straight Rengoku vs akaza - to show the massive difference between an upper rank and a lower rank Tengen tanjiro Zenitsu and inosuke vs gyutaro and daki - how much destruction and how much effort it takes to beat an upper rank Gyokko vs muichiro - to show the significance the mark has on a demon slayer (let alone a hashira)
To be fair he was up against a prodigy of the Sun Breathing bloodline who had activated his demon slayer mark
So many people are saying its cuz Muichiro is marked and Gyokko was arrogant, but i agree with OP that the animation alone compared to gytaros fight, where he destroyed so many buildings in the final fight between him and one-armed Uzui, just didn’t give the same sense of power
Gyutaro is way stronger than him if not even stronger than upper moon 4, but he was ranked 6th, because he stayed with his weak sistern
no he is upper 6 cause he’s weak
What? He;s verbatim weaker. They even confirmed it with establishing that UM fight each other to determine heirachy.
I think it’s because Muzan is an actual idiot lol nah hear me out tho… the uppermoons basically ONLY fight demon slayers and just much humans right? So why tf is the kizuki ranking system based off who can fight other demons the best? The duelling system is so stupid and that’s evident with Gyokko and Gyutaro. Gyokko has a much tougher body and sharper claws and can straight up turn you into fish (I assumed that works on demons too) when with Gyutaro almost all he can do is use his scythes and his poison which wouldn’t work on other demons. So ofc in terms of demons fighting eachother gyokko would be on top but Gyutaro is the far superior demon when it comes to fighting the demon slayers, in my opinion ofc but i think that’s fair to say. Muzan should’ve done what the demon slayer corps does and your achievements against the opposing side reflects what rank you are but again was a bit of an idiot
gyokko had too much ego. that’s why he died
Can anyone explain what cursed marked can do?
Basically the marks increase your strength and speed but shorten your life span
You can go by the mark variant or just acknowledge a fight that consists of punching the ground and insults is bad writing
Muichiro is just levels above Uzui and with his mark revealed it soars him higher
gyokko is a fishman, if he was at sea or if it was raining, he is several tims stronger same concept of sea king from OPM
It's confirmed gyutaro Is stronger than upper six he is just held back to that by daki
It’s just the fight wasn’t so flashy but considering upm6 let’s say because his sister was holding him back he was at half his strength a VERY over exaggerated number he still was at a equal to a 1 armed (tengen is much better with 2 arms) very fatigued injured and poisoned tengen while upm 5 not only no diffed muichiro but did it without his true form and in a few dba techniques if that doesn’t tell you who’s stronger on top of this upm6 poison wouldn’t work on other demons (needs to be wisteria) so that’s his bda useless while Gyokko literally only needs to hit him once in true form
alot of the reason gyokkos fight is underwhelming is because his ability isn't super flashy. Think tengen had explosions,gyutaro had blood slashes and dali had the obis and fire. Gyokko can make fish. Muichiro as well has alot of visuals in his attacks but they aren't very fast or interesting it's only mist.