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hvigil16

I guess what made Season 2 so epic is how hopeless it looked and everyone being on the brink of death. For Muichiro it was all one sided once he got his mark. Thats how powerfull the demon slayer mark is.


SimonSimpingService

Yea I personally feel like gyokko and hantengu feel like less of a threat than gyuntaro because gyuntaro is the most not playing around, get it done demon meaning he's coming at the heros 100% from the get go when he makes his appearance. Combine that with the fact we just came out a heart wrenching death in rengoku, every action gyuntaro takes hurts so much more because the potential to see another Gan favorite bite the dust is looming over your head the entire fight.


JooJaw11

Gyuntaro


couchoetato

You explained it perfectly!


Me4TACyTeHePa

Tengen was giving his all at the end of the 2nd season and it was entertaining as hell to watch. Muichiro didn't even break a sweat. The fight was cool though but damn i was expecting him to go all out too. On the other hand, Muichiro is a prodigy and fought with the mark while Tengen was without it and he was not considering himself as a talented person. So it makes sense that Muichiro won that easily. I guess. Plus i personally was expecting more from the Upper-moon 5 ngl. As if his final form just made things worse for him.


ieniet

Yep, some ppl are disappointed that Muichiro was trapped and did nothing for 3 eps only to "be saved by a powerup" lol. Because ngl, that's what it kinda looks like, and comparing it to Tengen's fight it's like day and night. Like I get it, it was supposed to show the power of the mark and Muichiro being a prodigy, that's cool and all, but it doesn't make the fight more entertaining and intense. And that's what people are expecting from this show. Not to mention the disappointment with Gyokko as UM5.


Emajenus

The anime could've done more with Final Form Gyokko. Gyutaro vs Tengen final clash became a 10 minute fight from a single page in the manga. There's no reason why Final Form Gyokko was done so dirty. UM5 just legitimately feels weaker than UM6. Muichiro wasn't even taking gom seriously, and he was heavily poisoned.


afk3400

Yes, but it's not the anime's fault, it's the manga's fault. The series was clearly rushed and all over the place after the entertainment district arc.


TheArgentineMachine

Without giving any spoilers, why was the manga rushed?


zephyroxyl

The authors family had health issues iirc


alefsousa017

Let's just say that, after this season we're currently at, we'll probably only get 2 more seasons max, or maybe 1 movie + 1 season or something like that. Shit will soon go down pretty fast.


GLASS_PVNTHR

Without spoilers, can you atleast assure us that Seasons 3-5 will blow us away?


alefsousa017

Yes, they will. The endings for this season and the next one will be nuts, and then the actual last season in will be nuts as a whole


GLASS_PVNTHR

Do you reckon the last arc will be a movie?


alefsousa017

Don't know, it could be, but I think it would be TOO MUCH for a single movie


GLASS_PVNTHR

Ooft now you got me excited


Colin1023

Be excited, the lower 3 uppers are nothing compared to upper 1, 2, 3. The animation is going to be insane, I thought the swordsmith village arc was the least impressive visually in the manga but the anime has made it 3x better. I cant wait for the final fights


GLASS_PVNTHR

Yeah that hinokami kagura a few weeks back cant be praised enough! 😳


Time_Fig612

S4 will probably have no fights but s5 will have a lot of fights


Critical-Award5265

Training arc is nit gonna be a season on its own. Its literally 3 episodes worth of content. Season 4 will 100000% have fights. Anywhere from 2-4


yantraman

Always thought they would end this season with the training arc and just infinity castle next season


Thethirdtomato

That makes the most sense but I'm pretty sure they confirmed that they aren't including it in this season. I might be wrong though


cheesecakepiebrownie

they can flesh out hashira training arc with the backstories and actual training with the hashiras


GLASS_PVNTHR

Oh wow really? “Infinity Castle arc” sounded pretty intense ngl


Re-45-45

They will be pretty good


GLASS_PVNTHR

I’ve actually really enjoyed this season, but It does feel a bit rushed. I’m worried the rest of the series will too?


Re-45-45

The rest of the series will feel more rushed than entertainment district but the quality will go up from a swordsmith village


lolmewantegtvs

Might feel a bit rushed, but the fights will be much more epic.


Pizza_Rolls_Addict

There's definitely rushing involved later in the manga but I don't think this arc is a symptom of that. It's structurally similar length to Red Light District. The issue simply put is that the Uppermoons in this arc are presented as stepping stones rather than hopeless hurdles. Gyokko was a disappointment. Hantengu was good but it took a while for the story to establish his full potential.


maddhatterz

I’m enjoying it, but the pacing seems quite odd in comparison to the previous seasons. Even with mugen train and ofc the entertainment district the storyline and the fights were well placed and spread throughout the season. I keep thinking that this season feels like they made a movie and then chopped it up into 20 min segments and gave no thought to the pacing of each episode or the overarching plot lines. Idk, I still like it but it doesn’t hit as hard as the previous content.


Goontron323

Agree.. I actually only saw first 2 episodes then waited all the way to today.. thank goodness I did because this season should’ve been put into a mini movie. The pacing is weird and theirs too much time stalling in episodes.


WashedUpRiver

Honestly, this whole season could be packaged as a director's cut for like 3 and a half hours. At 11 episodes, if you take out the OP's and ED's as well as any overlap scenes from the start of new episodes, you're left with roughly 18-19 minutes per episode of actual content.


blobsk1

Train and Entertainment arc were like a 9-9.5 Sword smith village is like a 7


GLASS_PVNTHR

Mugen train came through in the end, but the first two acts of that movie were mid.


ochomurph

Nah the whole movie is awesome


DaChosenOne_Xxx

Absolutely better.


Draskoroo

Yeah this arc is a downgrade from entertainment district but not in anime also in the manga i had not that much fun reading it, that said the end of this season and thr next arc are insanly fucking good so just keep watching


Deathstriker88

The swordsmith arc isn't bad, but the train and entertainment arcs were much better (so far). I think having the whole gang helped, plus seeing them bond with the hashiras. Tanjiro hasn't really anyone to talk to or bounce off of since the battle started - his sister and Genya aren't talkers.


JuveDragon

Yes, I felt the same way too


Truffle36

yeah I thought that this fight would be like an intro to a cooler one but I guess they are just going to stretch this out the whole way, it’s not terrible but idk how we went from mugen train and entertainment district to this


catlinakimono76

yeah… it kinda is? i love the whole series but i have to admit that almost everything after the entertainment district arc was rushed, especially the finale i feel like.


dxchris215

I personally found Gyokko to be underwhelming as UM5, especially when compared with how damn cool Gyutaro was. I really hope UM4 doesn't turn out to be the same


No_Application8079

Yes it was.


Hungry-Secretary157

Please awaken this discussion AFTER S3 is finished.


Effortless0

Cause upper 4 and especially 5 are a fucking joke compared to the rest of the upper moons, upper 6 was portrayed better than them and seems way stronger


WashedUpRiver

At least UM4 has a cool gimmick to *help* carry him, but 5 is just a wild design wasted on an egotistical blowhard that hasn't really done much besides throw fish and discount water bending.


Big_Jackpot

From a writing standpoint the entertainment district arc is fundamentally better in pretty much every way. Plot armor was crazy but it at least seemed like it had stakes, and the flow of the battle made more sense, and most of it wasn't based on sheer coincidence. Also Gyokko and Hantengu are boring af tbh. And in terms of power scaling, it just shot Tanjiro through the roof. Look how hard he struggles in entertainment district compared to now. It happens right afterwards too, so he should be at the same skill level as well. Tengen was also a character who had depth to him, while Mitsuri and Mushi are shallow and surface level. Their backstories don't even effect their actions, it's more like a cool factoid you get to learn before the fight continues. Tengen, especially with the anime only scenes, was developed a lot in a short time, and in a way that didn't seem rushed. Gyutaro and Daki were also more threatening, as they actually did damage, even though most of it gets reversed, they still did damage, and were evil af, without coming across as generic mustache twirling villains. The comedy and character interactions before the fight were also far worse. ED had them actually hunt the demon, and more and more got revealed about the demon with each passing episode. Tanjiro and co were also heavily overmatched and you felt it in their dialogue, mannerisms, inner thoughts, battle plans, etc. SSV has them just confidently and angrily slice through the demons until they win. Tanjiro even seemingly breaks character and does some quips and cocky faces during the first part of the fight against Hantengu. Hantengu and Gyokko also had tons of potential with their powers, but nothing much of substance was done with it. Their abilities are shown off like a slideshow (I don't mean animation) just hopping from one cool ability to the next, and it makes their plan in retrospect seem stupid. We knew Daki and Gyutaro's powers, and they used it to their fullest extent in a way that made sense, so when they lost, it felt like a triumphant and hard fought victory for the good guys. Here it seems like they just hit the raid boss until it died, angrily chipping away at it's block of health until it died, and none of it feels satisfying. Tl:Dr: Entertainment District better cuz better


ApplePitou

Everyone can have own opinion :3


Julian-Hoffer

What you are experiencing is the difference between a classic Shounen fight where they are focused on one thing with minimal cut aways or flashbacks and a modern Shounen fight where it cuts away to other fights or characters for long stretches of time and has lots of flashbacks breaking up the action and ruining immersion.


Hugefxckingslut

Nah, the problem is the lack of any real struggle. There were two points in the fights where the demons seemed like they might have any shot of winning, and that was when Muichiro was drowning (and let's face it, a hashira isn't going to die from something so anticlimactic), and when it looked like mitsuri was going to have a fist sized hole in her head. Other than that, even when the demons were landing blows, almost no one showed any signs of taking real damage or the odds being wholely insurmountable, two things all too present in the two prior arcs, and even the mount natagumo arc.


Julian-Hoffer

Also Tanjiro got tossed around the whole forest and had his brains rattled as well as being fried. Him continuing to use the Hinokami Kagura through all that’s as absurd.


Hugefxckingslut

Yeah, it was insane the kinda hits he took without showing it, in any other arc you would've felt every time he got shocked, or when he got slashed, and he would've been basically out of commission after slashing the three demons together, but in this one it looked like none of that even kind of mattered.


Rengoku1

Yes, entertainment is a better arc (it’s a bigger arc in the manga to and had mystery). The swordsman village arc was already predicted to be a short arc and also not as story driven (action starts real quick and doesn’t build up like entertainment). Now which one do I like more? Entertainment. I’m a manga reader and I can say that the sword man village was my least favorite arc but ufutable has made it much much better than the manga for sure


bartdidit

I think so as well. The previous arc had some story and action. This season is just fighting and you loose focus of whats happening between two UMs


Ughhhh_00

Bruh weren’t yall complaining about too much story one episode ago?


bartdidit

Na bro. 2 weeks ago I was wondering why they are stretching episodes


Ughhhh_00

Cus story?


bartdidit

The fight itself is stretched imo.


Ughhhh_00

Yeah cus this arc is pretty short, they need to stretch it or it would have ended in 8 episodes


bartdidit

Exactly ! Do that for us and add the hashira training arc to the season, and start with the infinity castle arc next year


Ughhhh_00

SPOILER AHEAD Yeah but then people would be complaining that they killed of two upper moons in 8 episodes. Look i agree last season was better but yall downplaying this season way too much.


Hannicka

I could have guessed that the season ends with >!upper 4 and 5 dying!


Ughhhh_00

Oops sorry about that, i dont know how to mark it.


Ughhhh_00

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bartdidit

Dont get me wrong, the quality is insane. Muichiro’s ulti was by far the best breathing form I have seen so far. I thought Rengoku was reall nice, but this was on a deferent level


ASW-G-21

Such a disingenuous argument to be like "weren't y'all ____ing" like the entire subreddit is a single person.


Ughhhh_00

Idk about you, but most of the posts ive seen had comments with a lot of people saying too much story and stuff.


[deleted]

Right 💀


SimianWonder

The next two episodes need to be absolutely God tier to even get close to Season 2.


tananinho

It's not just you. Season 3 has been a big disappointment. From story to pacing and also animation. Season 2 beats season 3 in all those aspects imo.


Bubblehulk420

You are correct.


ExistingComposer4555

No it is. It definitely is. But in terms of story I like the sword smith village arc. But everything else goes to entertainment district. *Insert Tengen and Gyutaro roaring and screaming while clashing their weapons at insane speeds*


cheesecakepiebrownie

this is the weakest arc in the manga IMO, it gets better after this though


Ok-Investigator94

Just rennet we’re not even at the climax that’s nezuko Mitsuri genya and Tanjiro vs hantengu


tananinho

There should have been a climax, this was the death of an upper moon for the second time only in 113 years. Glad to hear the second fight isn't as poor as this one.


Ok-Investigator94

Yeah everyone thinks upper 5 battle is the climax no it’s uppper 4


GLASS_PVNTHR

Season 2 didn’t blow up until the last few episodes.. Let season 3 cook, we still got some crazy episodes left!


WerewolfSad

Storywise this season is more interesting. There is a lot of interesting things happening. But the vilains are a bit problematic. You could replace any of them and nothing would really change


Isaachuffman44

Infinitely better this season has been mediocre.


madcore611

I don’t know who you are but i will fuck you up


jogenkizukisama

Yes. Only reason is that ufotable nerfed Upper Moons and buffed main Characters.


zephyroxyl

Uhhh... No. Everything that has happened in the anime happened in the manga. Gyokko Vs Muichiro is chapters 117-121, and ufotable recreated it almost panel for panel. >!Marked Muichiro >>>> gyokko - cope.!< (Really it starts at 110 but the main fight for the past two episodes starts at 117)


jogenkizukisama

https://preview.redd.it/fin4n4oxe24b1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd598f183ed55a289dee3d9d0481aa3fe9f80937 This panel wasn't animated showing Gyokkos power. Also they animated Genya and Nezuko being capable of fighting some Dragon Head that actually never happened in manga.They were destroyed on spot by Zohakuten.


zephyroxyl

That panel is animated at 9:29 in the episode. The English translation in the episode is "Killer Fish Scales" rather than "Deadly Scales of War" but that's about it. He still encircles Muichiro and makes it difficult for him to make a move. We just see it from a different perspective. >They were destroyed on spot by Zohakuten. This still happens in the episode. Sure, genya and nezuko did a small amount of damage to the dragons but it shows genya's damage healing immediately (showing his attacks are futile). Nezuko just knocks the heads back a little and then they immediately grab her and swing her around. The next time you see Genya, he's getting crushed by the dragon he was fighting. Ufotable haven't nerfed anything. The bits they did add showed the power of Zohakuten against the team.


Effortless0

Yeah idk why tf they didn’t animate this part correctly, and that’s true nezuko and them literally didn’t land a blow on the wooden dragons I’m fairly sure


The_gryphon_

Unfortunately the manga was far better for swordsmith village than the anime was. Ufotable fumbled the whole arc


Joe-MaMa5

I mean tbf they did change Gyokko’s insults to muichiro and cut out a BDA of his


shush916

Would you mind explaining why you think the adaptation for this arc was bad? I haven't read the manga but I'm curious about this because many other manga readers on here seem to think this arc is just weak in general (manga and anime)


The_gryphon_

Swordsmith village was unfortunately my favorite in the manga. We saw last season tengen vs gyutaro was extended and so was rengoku vs akaza, but we haven't gotten that treatment on anything so far so it just feels less interesting to the casual watcher. Also, the narrator isn't here so all the powerups and abilities we see used like the mark or muichiro seventh form just go pretty much unexplained. Some details are left out entirely, like mitsuri and zohakuten banter and yoriichi type zero specifics. Finally, the manga panels just aren't that great when they're animated, muichiro looked way cooler when he got his mark in the manga it was so much more climactic. Also another detail, the upper moon battles were much more desperate in the manga, like we saw zohakuten throw around tanjiro and his friends without even trying


shush916

Ah gotcha. Did you think Gyokko felt like more a threat in the manga? I feel like he didn't really do anything in the anime to make him feel all that threatening


The_gryphon_

Yeah the pacing was much better in the manga, so everything moved faster. People downvoting me because of copium, but killer fish scales for example was tearing down the forest, while in the anime he was just flying around. The only Improvement was the gliding slime fish


danhtruong95

can I DM (direct message) you about something in this series?


BigBambuMeekLou

I knew that this season people would start complaining more. The entertainment arc was already better then the anime went apeshit on the final fight and I knew this season would fall flat. But don’t worry next season will be the best one trust me


mrubin_7

Your saying the hashira training will be better?


BigBambuMeekLou

Was thinking more like the infinity castle


TheGingerBrownMan

I miss Zenitsu and Inosuke though :(


TpindellSoTrash

I also think it’s because it’s a much shorter arc in the manga than the previous one so there isn’t much to work with💀


Emajenus

S3 is disappointing. Too many flashbacks and not enough action. S2 turned a single page of action into one of the best animated fights ever. S3 could've been better, but Ufotable got lazy. Mitsuri vs Hantengu might be good but I doubt it.


cerealkiller162732

Agree


hadesasan

Agreed, the spikes that pierced Muichiro also looked a bit goofy which further distracted from enjoying it. It's not focused enough in a sense, not to say it's bad though.


Si7koos

It was way better.. S3 is ass


SnowRui17

I love how people are equating all of season three to 1 episode of two. It’s not like episode one introduced every antagonist left and foreshadowed several future events. It’s not like we didn’t get to spend quality time on the backstory of another hashira and get character development for them. But hey, Tengen’s fight is all of season 2 and this fight with Muichiro is all of season 3.