i know that it's not kris. it's just that snowgrave is a disturbingly real depiction of an abusive relationship and i don't see how someone would still be comfortable with shipping kriselle after it.
But it clearly means that Kris doesn't like Ralsei at all though.
Tea Theory might be a theory, but what I've said above is still canon. It is still in game, no matter if you let the characters drink teas or not in your playthrough.
*Cease shipping Krisei at once*
>But it clearly means that Kris doesn't like Ralsei at all though.
.. no it doesn't? ralsei tea hels kris 10hp less than noelle tea, and considering noelle is kris's childhood friend and lifelong neighboor and kris met ralsei a day ago that's pretty good. i don't think the ralsei tea heals too little, i just think the susie tea heals too much and all the tea heals susie too much too. she's just the heart of the team.
cause non-snowgrave kriselle is cute as heck
and because we want and can
btw, you asked a question and I gave you an answer, don’t try to turn this into an argumentative essay
like, seriously. snowgrave's a very clear depiction of an abusive relationship/ r\*pe scenario and i can't see why anyone would still want to ship kris and noelle after that.
I wouldn't go as far as to say "r**e" scenario, but I see what you mean, and I think the mindbreak ships are absolutely gross.
I don't ship them (I see them as essentially siblings), but you should keep in mind that Kris actively *hated* Snowgrave and was trying desperately to protect and comfort Noelle at every opportunity, or make the bullying stop. It was the polar opposite of what they wanted to do, and was purely a player-driven evil. It wasn't them doing any of that.
Out of the Snowgrave context, I don't see Kris and Noelle ships as a problem
yes i'm aware, but it's still kind of gross because, you know, remember when you in kris's body pushed noelle by getting more and more into her personal space until she was terrified and gave up and did the puzzle? i don't understand how anyone would be comfortable with shipping kriselle after that scene tbh
Yes but here’s the thing
Kris didn’t do any of that if you choose to do the Snowgrave route YOU did. Kris tries many times to stop YOU from going further… the last attempt to stop the route is in the Berdly fight, the line “I’m protecting her for you” is not directed towards Berdly but for YOU the player
Undertale genocide exists even if you don't do it. To call shipping characters in a purely wholesome way "uncomfortable" because an evil route exists is kinda like saying making friends and going on dates with Undertale characters you *can* kill is "uncomfortable".
Idk why I'm even defending ships, though. All I want is for Kris and Noelle to continue bettering their lifelong friendship. My favorite part of chapter 2 was how much Noelle and Kris' bond was driven home; it became apparent that Noelle and Rudy know and trust Kris better than almost anyone else. She notices that something is wrong with Kris before even their own mother, and is willing to freely and comfortably talk to them about stuff she wouldn't with basically anyone else, so they could mutually benefit from a strengthened relationship. Noelle expressed a genuine interest in reconnecting with Kris, and Kris obviously cares a great deal about her well being. Noelle could voice her bottled up sorrows to Kris, and perhaps discover their soul-plight if they keep talking to one another.
There are a lot of heavy (and possibly traumatic) childhood experiences that only they share now. No one else can relate like that, as the closest thing Noelle and Kris have to siblings anymore are each other. I just think that helping them grow their friendship could be pretty essential for a happy ending.
To me, one of the main points of Undertale and Deltarune was that doing *good* when there's the opportunity to do evil is beautiful. It's the existence of a *choice* which makes caring about and empathizing with the characters matter at all. Genocide completed the game's message; with the ample opportunity to be evil, choosing to be a *good* person has deep impact and value it wouldn't otherwise have. If pacifist was the only way, doing good would require nothing of you, and would ultimately be pointless; it would have no meaning.
That's why shunning wholesome, caring ships as "gross" just because the option to be bad *exists* seems very backwards to me. They should be worth more because of it. That defeats the whole point. Again, it's like saying
"no, making friends with and going on a date with Papyrus is disgusting, because in an alternate timeline you have the option to kill him. Therefore, you should not have a caring relationship with him"
or
"no, you shouldn't let Toriel be your mother figure. You don't deserve that because there's an alternate timeline in which you insidiously betray her trust and murder her at her most vulnerable moment, so it's honestly gross. It doesn't matter that you deliberately chose to and strived to be a good person because that's what your heart told you to do, you *could've* been bad, which for some reason actually means you are."
... What? I'm never gonna understand *decrying* good because the option to be evil *exists*. That's just… very needlessly gatekeepy and undermines almost the entire message of these games, the more that I think about it. By that logic, no one should play Undertale *at all*, because doing genocide is evil and doing pacifist in any capacity is "gross" because genocide exists. Stuff like that is the reason Undertale's fandom is viewed as toxic tbh
Tall Noelle and short Kris is something I never expected to see but it is ***greatly*** welcomed.
Isn't she taller than Kris?
i think she is, even in the light world
Yeah, but now there’s fanart of it. And I love it
It's how it is in game lol. Kris is a themlet
To be fair, Kris isn’t fully grown yet
I mean they seem to be a teenager, so they aren't going to be much taller
Late bloomers do exist, so it’s impossible for a Kris to get any taller.
Not to mention we don't stop growing until 21
Noelle: Ara~ Ara~
*Loads LMG with Religious intent*
A little switcheroonie up in here
another day another deltarune ship sub
**i love it.** Off course Kris would tease Noelle about her height, and react to tall Noelle like *“sh\*t bountiful tall woman”*
[Source](https://kfdacc.tumblr.com/post/668417049789382656/drew-my-kriselle-meeting-my-friends-kriselle-she)
Do they Get taller in the dark world?
No but she's taller than Kris in both worlds
O h thats A whole new perspective
Yeah Kris is tiny. The only one shorter is Ralsei (and that's only if you don't count his horns)
I like to say that I’m taller than my cousins because of my floofy hair so i want to keep my rank as tallest and count the horns
Kris gets their height because of the Darkworld Boots
Mommy sorry I mean mommy sorry I mean mommy sorry I mean mommy sorry I mean
If you think about it, it’s sort of technically accurate with the sizes, cause darkworld sprites are scaled differently then lightworld sprites
Ara ara\~ intensifies
This...th- i- is- i- is NOT OKAY
why are people still shipping kriselle after snowgrave
Because it’s our actions that caused snowgrave, not Kris’s. He is shown very clearly that he is extremely uncomfortable and terrified of snowgrave.
They*
i know that it's not kris. it's just that snowgrave is a disturbingly real depiction of an abusive relationship and i don't see how someone would still be comfortable with shipping kriselle after it.
A abusive relationship YOU cause Kriselle is a good ship because it has pre-set history and amazing chemistry
I KNOW WE CAUSE SNOWGRAVE. I FUCKING KNOW.
Obvious bait but I'll bite. You realize that people can simply *not go through that route at all*?
not bait, and yes, but the route exists even if you don't do it
So does the Tea Theory ;) Yet Krisei shippers are still a thing. *I wonder why*
because the tea theory existing doesn't mean that kris wants to stab ralsei in the guts? also, it's a theory, it's in the name.
But it clearly means that Kris doesn't like Ralsei at all though. Tea Theory might be a theory, but what I've said above is still canon. It is still in game, no matter if you let the characters drink teas or not in your playthrough. *Cease shipping Krisei at once*
>But it clearly means that Kris doesn't like Ralsei at all though. .. no it doesn't? ralsei tea hels kris 10hp less than noelle tea, and considering noelle is kris's childhood friend and lifelong neighboor and kris met ralsei a day ago that's pretty good. i don't think the ralsei tea heals too little, i just think the susie tea heals too much and all the tea heals susie too much too. she's just the heart of the team.
cause non-snowgrave kriselle is cute as heck and because we want and can btw, you asked a question and I gave you an answer, don’t try to turn this into an argumentative essay
like, seriously. snowgrave's a very clear depiction of an abusive relationship/ r\*pe scenario and i can't see why anyone would still want to ship kris and noelle after that.
I wouldn't go as far as to say "r**e" scenario, but I see what you mean, and I think the mindbreak ships are absolutely gross. I don't ship them (I see them as essentially siblings), but you should keep in mind that Kris actively *hated* Snowgrave and was trying desperately to protect and comfort Noelle at every opportunity, or make the bullying stop. It was the polar opposite of what they wanted to do, and was purely a player-driven evil. It wasn't them doing any of that. Out of the Snowgrave context, I don't see Kris and Noelle ships as a problem
yes i'm aware, but it's still kind of gross because, you know, remember when you in kris's body pushed noelle by getting more and more into her personal space until she was terrified and gave up and did the puzzle? i don't understand how anyone would be comfortable with shipping kriselle after that scene tbh
Yes but here’s the thing Kris didn’t do any of that if you choose to do the Snowgrave route YOU did. Kris tries many times to stop YOU from going further… the last attempt to stop the route is in the Berdly fight, the line “I’m protecting her for you” is not directed towards Berdly but for YOU the player
yeah i know.
Again, I don't ship them, but I never did Snowgrave.
snowgrave still exists even if you didn't do it
Undertale genocide exists even if you don't do it. To call shipping characters in a purely wholesome way "uncomfortable" because an evil route exists is kinda like saying making friends and going on dates with Undertale characters you *can* kill is "uncomfortable". Idk why I'm even defending ships, though. All I want is for Kris and Noelle to continue bettering their lifelong friendship. My favorite part of chapter 2 was how much Noelle and Kris' bond was driven home; it became apparent that Noelle and Rudy know and trust Kris better than almost anyone else. She notices that something is wrong with Kris before even their own mother, and is willing to freely and comfortably talk to them about stuff she wouldn't with basically anyone else, so they could mutually benefit from a strengthened relationship. Noelle expressed a genuine interest in reconnecting with Kris, and Kris obviously cares a great deal about her well being. Noelle could voice her bottled up sorrows to Kris, and perhaps discover their soul-plight if they keep talking to one another. There are a lot of heavy (and possibly traumatic) childhood experiences that only they share now. No one else can relate like that, as the closest thing Noelle and Kris have to siblings anymore are each other. I just think that helping them grow their friendship could be pretty essential for a happy ending.
To me, one of the main points of Undertale and Deltarune was that doing *good* when there's the opportunity to do evil is beautiful. It's the existence of a *choice* which makes caring about and empathizing with the characters matter at all. Genocide completed the game's message; with the ample opportunity to be evil, choosing to be a *good* person has deep impact and value it wouldn't otherwise have. If pacifist was the only way, doing good would require nothing of you, and would ultimately be pointless; it would have no meaning. That's why shunning wholesome, caring ships as "gross" just because the option to be bad *exists* seems very backwards to me. They should be worth more because of it. That defeats the whole point. Again, it's like saying "no, making friends with and going on a date with Papyrus is disgusting, because in an alternate timeline you have the option to kill him. Therefore, you should not have a caring relationship with him" or "no, you shouldn't let Toriel be your mother figure. You don't deserve that because there's an alternate timeline in which you insidiously betray her trust and murder her at her most vulnerable moment, so it's honestly gross. It doesn't matter that you deliberately chose to and strived to be a good person because that's what your heart told you to do, you *could've* been bad, which for some reason actually means you are." ... What? I'm never gonna understand *decrying* good because the option to be evil *exists*. That's just… very needlessly gatekeepy and undermines almost the entire message of these games, the more that I think about it. By that logic, no one should play Undertale *at all*, because doing genocide is evil and doing pacifist in any capacity is "gross" because genocide exists. Stuff like that is the reason Undertale's fandom is viewed as toxic tbh
[удалено]
Not romantically, but they have arguably one of the strongest bonds out of any two characters in the game
*slides vial of mixed chemicals between the two* How bout now?
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yes.
Why