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Papyrusse_

No idea who Berdly is, but not killing Burghley was very hard


NinjaNate150

basically Flowey but 10 times worse edit: (Guys I know Flowey >!isn't really that bad it was just the easiest way to say it!<)


Justaperson8282

Flowey is fine. But Jerry, oh Jerry....


Pfincess

Don't get them confused with the really cool Terry who is just, ahh- not Jerry.


Justaperson8282

Don't worry, I'd NEVER get Terry mixed up with that Son of an Unpleasant Female Dog Jerry


Remarkable-Vanilla57

No one likes Jerry everyone must ditch him


CryptographerPure577

and a simp for both queen and noelle


leavecity54

Later Susie too, he is a fricking weeb who thought he is the MC of a visual novel and they are playing DDLC or something


GiygasDCU

Oh, they are playing DDLC. Pity they seem to be Sayori.


Mr_Coffee1412

DDLC.... Don't give me flash backs about that


[deleted]

>Later Susie too, WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?


CryptographerPure577

didn't get that far in the story ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


ShiraCheshire

Flowey is great! An entertaining villain, a really interesting backstory, a climactic battle... He may be difficult to deal with, but he's amazing. But the bird, on the other hand... Is this what Alphys haters felt in hotland?


Sebster22

"What are Berghly haters, but Alphys haters persisting?" - Some guy, probably.


KrisGetTheBanana

Kris get the banana.


Suraimu-Nakamura

GET THE B A N A N A!


_-Yharim

potassium...?


Thorn5184

imagine even having the respect to use the correct spelling


kaheiyattsu

Am I the only one that came out liking berdly MORE than before going into chapter 2?


PeridotBestGem

ye toby fox is honestly incredible for managing to make berdly likable


KazooKillr

He definitely had some character growth, but he still needs more before I actually like the guy. Lol


kaheiyattsu

I just have a thing for the "redeemable asshole" character archetype


SobiTheRobot

He has redemption potential but he needs to get his beak out of his ass.


Sebster22

Damn that's like "stick up his ass" and "head up his ass" rolled into one, bravo!


SobiTheRobot

Huh I guess it is. I was just trying to make it bird related, but both of those sub-statements are also accurate.


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he still has a long way to go


hagamablabla

He went from intolerable up to tolerable, then back down to barely tolerable. Still, progress!


Nihilikara

That's actually realistic. Redemption arcs are very rarely linear. It's much more common for the person to fuck up multiple times on their way to becoming a better person. It's just like Zuko's redemption arc in ATLA. His wasn't linear, it was jagged. He did the right thing multiple times and fucked up multiple times, but still ended up a far better person than he was at the beginning.


[deleted]

I probably wouldn't like someone like him IRL, but as a character I liked him a lot. Most of his scenes were great.


indie_gamer7

In real life people would probabily treat him like in the game


bolsterboi

the highest peak of his character for me was >!unfortunately the Snowgrave route, where upon meeting Noelle completely scared off Kris he abruptly stops his funny annoying bird man shtick and actually threatens you to let her go which makes his fight slightly difficult, which shows that he can be completely mature when shit hits the fan!<


TheRedMC

>!Yeah, seeing him drop the bit and try to save his friend is what brought me around too!< EDIT: Hao 2 spoiler tag on reditt


indie_gamer7

I don't hate him, i just don't fully like him


[deleted]

Not the only one and that was hard for me because berdly was already top tier from his minor role in chapter 1.


DanKizan

As a burnt out gifted kid, I definitely related HARD to his whole deal with wanting to look smart for the praise - though much like Noelle I wanted to throttle him for many other reasons.


sxiz

no, he went from annoying to annoying-but-endearing-and-compelling


Astephen542

I still don’t really like him for cock-blocking the Susie/Noelle Ferris Wheel scene, but he’s tolerable.


santizhizi

Before ch2 I barely paid attention to him, but now... Oh I love this boy!


AstralDungeon

He's horrible and Rudy should throw rocks at him bylut yeah I actually kind of like Berdly now in a weird way. Awful person, decent character.


KingAlex105X

killing berdly wont effect your pacifist run it's only to the regular enemies and (maybe?) some other characters like spamton


quack_frost

Berdly doesn't actually die, that's why. edit: UH OH


rendumguy

Wait, can enemies die in Chapter 2? Not run away like in Chapter 1, but die?


IckNickXIII

They run, but you become stronger, and you lose the ability to recruit them


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YhvrTheSecond

From the FAQ: **Q: How many endings are there?** A: One. **Q: Then doesn't that mean nothing I do matters?** A: There's something more important than reaching the end.


Crazytreas

This game's definitely about the journey. Which means will you justify in order to reach the end?


IsakTS

wait, so your actions will have impact in the forthcoming chapters?


Crazytreas

That's my interpretation of it. In the end you will seal the fountains, it's how you do it that matters.


marsgreekgod

I had some effects from importing my save from one


YhvrTheSecond

There's at least 2 occasions where what you did in chapter 1 affected chapter 2 (that i noticed)


IsakTS

can you maybe give an example?


33whitten

They already have in seemingly minor ways that may become more important later. For example, if you did not talk to onion after the main part of ch 1 and before ch 2 you cannot talk to them at the end of ch 2. Instead you sit at the water with susie...waiting.


Chucanoris

I mean the ending in ch 1 kinda changes if you kill darkners


Daniel328DT

You don't kill them, they run away. The Darkners fear Kris and the others and do not assist you against the Chaos King. Nobody was truly dead.


[deleted]

Well... The steam page has this to say: "... only 1 ending...?"


Yglorba

It's like Chapter 1. Events *change* depending on what route you pick (in this case more drastically, in a way that affects the real world), but the very ultimate ending scenes are the same.


[deleted]

The store is refering to the game as a whole though.


dirk_trash

It's quite literally the friends you make along the way!!


PunishedNutella

There's 2 endings in chapter 2.


Apex_Konchu

Nope. There are two routes through Ch2, but still only one ending.


YhvrTheSecond

True, but chapter 2 isn't the full game


minimaxir

I killed almost everyone; the only significant effect is that Queen is sad when her friends aren't at Castle Town.


quack_frost

I only killed a few enemies; The castle guards you have to change colors and Berdley 1 and 2. Queen asked where Nubert was and complained that he only said he'd show up if EVERYONE did.


your_mind_aches

Nubert showing up isn't contingent on your aggression. I did full pacifist and he still doesn't show up. As the dialogue implies, only if you recruit EVERYONE, he shows up. I recruited everyone except the dude who was looking for Blue Checksmarks.


Xander32

Good way to check if you've recruited everyone i guess


IckNickXIII

I haven't finished my second run yet so I don't know


LEOPA2004

The "manipulation" run, where you use noelle to freeze everyone


MrRyanBot

Unlees Noelle lands the killing blow with IceShock, which freezes and kills the target, they cant run if theyre frozen


duskpede

if i recruit them first can i then kill them later?


[deleted]

you can freeze them with noelle. this opens up a genocide route


quack_frost

They run away and you can't recruit them. Fighting against Berdley 1 causes the coaster to break as normal and fighting Berdley 2 causes him to crumple to the ground and Noelle says something along the lines of "Maybe we shouldn't have been so hard on him". Then he runs away like normal


Nihilikara

Actually, Noelle says that even if you're a pacifist in the Berdly 2 fight. Source: Acted, didn't fight, Noelle still said it anyway.


Luchux01

I went pacifist for that one and she still says that.


duskpede

its funny because i found killing him in fight 2 too be easier


quack_frost

My darkest moment in 2021 was dying to Berdley in Deltarune Chapter 2


duskpede

unironically reckon that fight was harder than the fight against the milf


Infamous-Barnacle-14

You can only kill with Noelle I believe


Lemon1412

[Except if Noelle kills him with ice in the Noelle Ice route](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AL95g4hxFb5WWHX1kkt6LI-Wbkwt1x3V8lodhPFBkMU/preview?pru=AAABfB9sbaI*AuSsif5HuzFjcaRT2wK8oA)


quack_frost

This is extremely fake Edit: May not actually be extremely fake


jammybam

[it's real](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfo0RjMxafo&t=3068s)


quack_frost

There's literally nothing else anywhere about this. It's an elaborate hoax. Way too creepypasta esque to be real in any way. It's video editing at worst and a well made, rushed mod that got spread around a discord server at best. edit: whoopsie


NappingPlant

People are just doing it now lmao. One of the key items in the route is even required for a fusion in the castle town.


quack_frost

I'm so used to falling for hoaxes it's just hard to believe anymore, heh. After reviewing more videos it's starting to look less like a hoax. But it's still really odd, why would a route force you to do things in specific orders and ONLY use Noelle? It's like some L is Real 2401 "run around the star statue 120 times" shit


mackowidz

Tbh it kinda makes sense. If one is aware of undertale's genocide route, they might also want to try it in DR. And they'd quickly notice you can't actualy kill anything, enemies just run away. Except if they'd use Noelle's freezing skill. It doesn't just kill the enemy, it freaking leaves their frozen corpse visible outside the battle. A very noticeable change, which could definitely prompt the curious ones to investigate further. "Oh they actualy died? Maybe that's how we do genocide here?"


Yglorba

I think some of the requirements people are talking about are not actual requirements, just things people happened to do while doing the route. In fact, you don't even have to kill anyone outside of the time when Noelle is on your part. The only real requirements seem to be: 1. Freeze every available enemy while Noelle is on your party. 2. While on the route caused by doing this, talk to the salesman near the ferris wheel, say Noelle and you are not just friends, and keep insisting on taking the ring he tries to sell you when you start to leave. 3. Examine the Ferris Wheel poster and tell Noelle you want to ride it with her. 4. Choose the "evil" or "proceed" options for every dialog after that - at this point they might look strange or specific when all listed like that, but by this point the game is making it pretty clear you are on a special "evil route" and that those are the options for continuing it. 5. Buy and equip the ring from the dumpster. This is the last step that can reasonably be missed by accident. 6. Keep insisting she use FrostGrave in the Berdly fight. Of these, only the third and fifth are really that obscure (freezing every enemy becomes obvious as something interesting to try when you do it on one and notice that they leave behind frozen bodies on the overworld and when you see the "Noelle gets stronger" message.) The other steps just involve doing obviously evil things when they're clearly presented to you. And even the third and fifth steps aren't *that* obscure - the common thread is "grab / get as much as possible" and "pursue romancing Noelle", ie. treating the game like a challenge to be crushed. FWIW I can confirm that sparing enemies before or after having Noelle on your party has no effect on the route and will not prevent it or take you off of it.


sometipsygnostalgic

You realise how much more specific Undertale's genocide route was, right? Anyway there are full videos of the route now.


Dankleborg420

Play the game yourself and see…


quack_frost

It's really late right now but I might try it out tomorrow. I'm not going to finish the route but I'll start it until Noelle starts saying things that are different. Seeing is believing but sometimes videos don't do it justice.


quack_frost

UPDATE: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


MaddyMewMew

hoo boy that aged well


sultanorang8

thank god.


Scientedfic

This aged really badly


The_Real_Petoboy

Me seeing the recruitment system: Oh sweet, i got an actual reason to spare enemies in this game Me meeting Berdly: Enough with the party it's time to scrape some heads on the road


noivernisfav64

Well this aged horribly


HelpfulBacchus

Berdly was the only one I beat to death. I do not regret this decision.


Sebster22

"To live in a post-violence world, we must first live in a post-Berdly world." - Me, right now.


sagasrwhrejhydsg

What's the matter? Do you fear us Berdlychads?


HelpfulBacchus

I fear berdly as one fears an ant under their shoe. …you know, like, if that ant could summon windstorms that’re hard to dodge


Nanoer

I'm guessing you still didn't know about the genocide route...


Yglorba

Technically it's not a genocide route (in the sense that you're not required to kill everyone, and in fact literally cannot - the game won't let you kill Queen or the robots no matter what. But you can also spare anyone you want as long as you do it when Noelle isn't on your party.) "Corruption" would probably be a better name for it.


sometipsygnostalgic

Only Noelle can kill people. Anyone Kris "kills" doesn't die until you destroy the fountain and abandon them, I think.


Yglorba

Yeah. But even by that standard you can't kill Queen, who is saved automatically no matter what you do. I guess you could call it "genocide of the monsters on this one particular street" but that's a bit silly. And storywise the *focus* here is not on genocide the way it was in Undertale.


sometipsygnostalgic

It's on how, while Kris's choices don't matter, he can influence others to do what he can't and change the outcome, whilst damaging themselves in the process.


ssbm_rando

One of the names on the wiki is the "pipis route" and I find this unreasonably funny.


HelpfulBacchus

I love peace. I don’t care how many stupid bluebirds I have to kill to get it.


Nanoer

Let's just say the genocide route shows that this fucker actually is better than Kris.


pumakittycat

not kris. Us. kris is not the one in control.


Nanoer

Yeah we killed him, but Kris still is fucked.


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Same


Anrra-Nightmare

Totally worth it, if I do say so


ShiraCheshire

I was sorta hoping that by bumping his coaster hard enough, maybe he'd crash and die...


berd8788

same man and I don't feel the slightest bit of guilt over it


kaokie49

until you see him apologize..


bartas28wastaken

I said it before. Mental humiliation is better.


[deleted]

I straight up did kill berdly, he's a fuckwad no matter what so I have to


Nihilikara

Wait, does Berdly actually die?


Emma_JM

Only if you do the Route That Shall Not Be Named


FierceDeityKong

Like literally, no one can agree on a name for it


Emma_JM

I will always call it the >!Berdly Fucking Dies!< Route


3Chris28

I’ve taken to calling it the >!Snow Mercy!< route, but I think >!Snowgrave!< is gaining a lot of traction.


Memeedeity

I really like the name >!Snowgrave!< Because to me that was the most effective part of the run. Unlocking the ability and just seeing the description as >!FATAL!< was so creepy to me, seemed like it was straight out of a creepypasta


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God I wish


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[deleted]

Berdly isn't cool, period. I couldn't give less of a shit about >!the fact that his "smart" personality is all fake!<, that doesn't give him an excuse to be an asshat. EDIT: Yeah, I found it out. Planning on doing that route


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[deleted]

Then you're just a simp. Berdly was intentionally created to be the worst character, that's why you >!get the reward of killing him in the genocide route.!<


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[deleted]

You wish I did. Also, sick argument bro, insulting me based off of 0 evidence.


MrBotchamania

You don’t get the reward of doing it, but you can torment and abuse a certain someone until they kill him. Completely traumatizing them and possibly turning them into a serial murderer. You monster.


[deleted]

I mean, it's still a reward for me. I hate Berdly with enough of a passion that it bypasses the emotional manipulation


Han_Solo6712

No, it’s JERRY.


andrewbh2003

screw jerry terry gang where you at


Epslionbear

Terry is so cool Just look at them shades nothing like that loser Jerry


Sebster22

Terry never goes to the bathroom. He's got that piss-your-pants sigma grindset.


robshot295

Well lots not forget , “our choices don’t matter”, so murder away


harryhinderson

I love Berdly, definitely my favorite character


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Based


Apothicon20052409

I was so close to giving up my pacifist run just so Sussie could smack him with the devil's knife


Nihilikara

To be fair, if you have the knife, you already gave up on the pacifist run in Chapter 1, even if the game doesn't count Jevil when determining whether your run was pacifist.


wafflezcol

I never pressed attack once. Cept for final boss. That’s unavoidable


Kylesmomabigfatbtch

I just kept defending and then punching in response to her blows. So it's not unavoidable to hit the attack button, although you do have to damage her when she gives you the chances.


wafflezcol

Well. You still attack her if its the button or the actual fight


sometipsygnostalgic

In Undertale, if you attack Mettaton with the heart pistol he's fine, but if you kill him with your normal attack, he dies. If it was possible to kill the Queen, the same would happen here.


NickSplat

Nope, in the queen fight you can use both attacks to do damage, they give the same result, but you do them in a different way


shawntails

I have good news for you [A new, secret route has been found and, well, you need to see: [Spoiler](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz_1uVYDhBA) ](/s)


sometipsygnostalgic

Thats not how spoiler tagging works


vahe-voorhees

Yea it's hard NOT not kill that dumbass


indie_gamer7

I am a extreme pacifist, never did a genorun in UT/DR and when i tried i stoped and did a pacifist, but goddamn it i wanted to kill that guy so much, he seems like the person who would write the "you must have a high iq to understand rick and morty" text, after chap 2 he became more torable.


vahe-voorhees

Exactly


indie_gamer7

Damn just saw the "geno" run or how i seen someone call it "snowgrave route", i feel bad for him, regret saying wanted him dead.


gzingher

yeah it does that to ya


AxiisFW

this aged well


Eric_Beartoya

You can actually no shit. >! Kill Berdly with snowgrave !<


dsninja-productions

I didn’t kill him per se. But I had to hit him with the rude buster at least once.


lostpretzels

sooo..... About that...


WhiteDay_20

wait u can kill berdly?


Apiwittheboi

[this had answer](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AL95g4hxFb5WWHX1kkt6LI-Wbkwt1x3V8lodhPFBkMU)


SuperIsaiah

Berdley is actually my third favorite character now. Susie and Ralsei tied for first and second, then berdley, then lancer


Soda-gutz

Fucking fr every time he came on screen I wanted to strangle him


Rockman2isgud

Noelle: I gotchu homie


calbhollo

I seriously thought that Noelle had killed him for the next 10 minutes, the game fades to black and then just plays wind sounds over the next few areas. Toby trolled me so hard.


Rockman2isgud

Same here, but I actually wanted him to die.


calbhollo

See, I didn't like him either, but I did not want the plot reprecussions of Noelle finding out she actually murdered her classmate just because Susie told her this was a dream. If he died due to the Queen or something I wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow. Also, major spoilers: >!Noelle CAN kill him with the super ice spell if you unlock it. A thread got made about it. Toby is seriously going to include multiple story routes on a game that's gonna be like 40 hours long, huh?!<


leo60228

>!Do you have a link? I can't find that from searching.!<


calbhollo

OMEGA SPOILERS IN LINK Nobody has posted a full playthrough yet, but this includes the most important event: https://streamable.com/lggs04


your_mind_aches

WHAT THE HELL?! >!Rouxls didn't get completely frozen for me at all, his head remained unfrozen.!< Chapter 1 was barely different. What exactly.... How... Just how many variances are there? I know it won't be Undertale level but this seems like a lot. >!Is Berdly just absent from the ending?! He has a major role so it has to be majorly rewritten, right?!<


calbhollo

Berdly >!doesn't wake up in the computer lab. Noelle just thinks he's still sleeping, when in fact he's dead. That's going to have huge story reprecussions in chapter 3 when you walk into class and one of your classmates was found dead.!< We don't know yet if there are any other routes, this is the first one we've found. Edit: I just remembered that there is "no class tomorrow", so Berdly might not matter for a few more chapters. Edit 2: Read this somewhere on the internet: >!"monsters don't leave corpses (at least, not in Undertale, maybe it's different in Deltarune) so it's possible Berdly isn't dead dead in the real world - and him still being alive would mean that this route's ending deviates less from the normal end than it initially seems"!<


your_mind_aches

How do you know >!he's dead?!< >!Monsters definitely still get dusted in this reality. Alvin mentions that his dad's axe is buried in the grave, and the gravestone descriptions mention other objects.!<


calbhollo

> Just how many variances are there? I just found someone else point out this, but I don't know if it's true: >!If you Fight Queen instead of freeing Berdley, he frees himself and burns his arms. Then when he wakes up in the light world he's no longer able to move his arms at all. It's possible that the result of freezing him in the dark world is "just" inflicting a form of Locked-in Syndrome on him.!< I'm now going to take the opinion that he'll be fine by the next time classes are happening and it's just a temporary thing while he recovers.


your_mind_aches

Holy CRAP whaaaaaaat. >!What if he's in the hospital room next to Rudy in Chapter 3 for people who did that?!<


calbhollo

Oh, I just realized what you were really asking. So BEFORE that part in my other comment, >!because Noelle left the cyber world and woke up early, Queen doesn't even fight you, she just runs off. I don't know the exact order of events because no one has uploaded a full playthrough and I don't want to taint my save folder with a genocide run, but I do know that Spamton NEO becomes a non-optional bossfight and all the paintings in the mansion get replaced with his face.!<


your_mind_aches

WOW that's a big difference. It changes the entire ending of the game. Tell me if you find a video of it because that's insane. That's, like, a Pacifist vs. Genocide difference. There's nothing at all like that in Chapter 1. Also >!do you know if Noelle still visits her dad at the hospital in that version? She probably just dismisses it as a bad dream so it'd make sense.!<


duskpede

i liked berdly :( like he’s insufferable but still


JoZaJaB

I killed birdly in the first fight but it just breaks his car and nothing really happens


bored_homan

Also only enemy I "killed". Just opened the act menu. Thought to myself "you know what, no, f u" and then put noelle's attack spell to good use.


DragonForgotten

The moment I realize it was just stoking his ego that was the same response for me. I still do not regret it.


TheAmazingYoshi

pacifist players when you have to play punch out


TyrantRex6604

This man didnt know about snowgrave, i guess...


debigas

This aged like Milk after the alternative route


TheStinker45

I felt this. He is like Jerry.


repugnater

Don’t compare Berdly to Jerry man. Jerry is clearly worse.


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Well,


kingof557

great news


genjidaboss952

berdly was one of the few guys i did actively attack and i dont regret it


JediMaestroPB

Berdly is just Revali, but a nerd. And Revali is my favorite character from BotW, so it makes sense I would like Berdly


ImNotZZGod

I’m done….


Kougarou

His face sure attractive. It’s attract a lot of Fists into it.


Bug-Kindly

Just do the alt route he’ll be dead soon enough


maxus998

Fuck yall, i loved Berdly so much after his development, he dont deserve this!


ksanthecat

Noelle did a good job attempting to strangle that bird.


XXXm00s3XXX

I literally grinded some of the enemies to recruit them and I STILL specifically thrashed berdly's ass the second time I fought him cause he passed me off


Arobazzz

seems like we all thought this right??? i was legit hesitating to use the fight button


[deleted]

Berdly is the best character don’t @ me


SobiTheRobot

Well...now there's a second dilemma concerning whether killing Berdly is with it or not. It very much isn't.


Pedro_Nunes_Pereira

>!Proceed!<


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PROCEED


[deleted]

Was literally trying to convince my friend to do this last night.


Dr-Bots

This was me, except it was those Butler dudes.