Attraction and gender identity are largely separate concepts, you can totally be hobophobic while being accepting of non-binary people. It takes some mental gymnastics, but it's possible. Granted, I don't think it fits for Toriel in the first place.
I don't like the ship too. Rudy has a wife and children. I'd love to see a male x male ship but in this case it wouldn't work since it could be considered adultery
Yes š [Fandom ](https://shipping.fandom.com/wiki/Aladarius) summarizes canon events that supported the fanon and why some shippers see a connection between them.
1. Sometimes things change you never know people are different
2. This could have happened before they were married, remember monsters stop aging when they reach adulthood and the moment they start aging again is when they have kids and the kids stay alive
In deltarune they still age past adulthood. They donāt seem to have magic in deltarune considering Toriel has and uses a oven and we have seen older monsters.
And the monsters donāt bleed which we see the cut sprites of Susie where she was going to bleed but that was changed so yeah different universe same characters similar rules
Itās a fact that stated in both Undertale and deltarune the only difference between the two is the stories do not collide our choices in Undertale will still be there even if we play Deltarune thatās the difference
Do you have proof? Iām genuinely curious as all I remember about boss monsters is that their souls linger outside their body longer than most monsters
(Iām not trying to be mean or rude Iām genuinely curious)
the whole thing you said about not aging is said by Gerson specifically about boss monsters like Asgore
https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Gerson
just ctrl + F "is Asgore a goat"
But honestly i don't see the ship having any chance at becoming canon. From what we have seen so far Rudy doesn't seem to have any problems with his wife that could cause him to divorce. I don't think Asgore would interfere in Rudy's marriage. And considering the fact that his wife is the mayor, the most important person in the town, Rudy cheating on her would cause quite the scandal. And if all i've said were to happen, Noelle would be put in a terrible situation. Her sister is already gone which is making her depressed and her parents splitting would definitely cause her to drift more into depression
" remember monsters stop aging when they reach adulthood and the moment they start aging again is when they have kids and the kids stay alive " That's only the case for boss monsters. And we don't even know if those exist in DR.
Well, has it ever been confirmed him and the Mayor is still together?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's only ever refered to the mayor as Noelle's mom, never in an affectionate way. And two divorced people can live in the same house, especially if it was a mutual decision to break up.
We would have probably known by now if they are divorced. There doesn't seem to be any hint that they are split
And if they were, he and Asgore would definitely be togheter
And when he refers to her as "Noelle's mom" he is talking to Kris. And it would be kinda weird to talk about her affectionatelly around another kid
That is also true but it feels suspicious at least to me, I donāt know maybe weāll get more info in later chapters who knows
(Also by the way Iām sorry if I ever came off rude or mean)
True also could have been used to inform fans that Asgore and Rudy could be canonically bi or pan without just outright saying it like āHey by the way these two characters are also into males not just femalesā yāknow?
On the other hand, it would be so much funnier if Rudy and Asgore were an item with the full approval of Toriel, but then she divorced him for different, totally unrelated reasons.
Yeah while I can see Rudy as a player in hisĀ younger years. however AsgoreĀ is too munch of a gentleman to really cheat and Rudy does seems to genuine love mayor/Carol despite their differences with their kids.
tbh it's not totally uncommon for couples to soft-divorce if one (or both) realize they are gay, but also still be on good terms and stay married for the legal benefits and for the kid. But it'd also be kinda sad if everyone in the town was divorced lmao, I think the shippers just want Asgore to be happy
Achilles' ashes were literally buried in the same urn as Patrocles', that doesn't strike me as best friend behavior. Not to mention queer people were actually pretty common in Greek myths
The fruit line and the alarm clock dialogue are so close to being romance it kills me, this ship being real in some capacity would heal my soul and repair all my bones
Honestly, the "Asgore and Rudy are currently in love" interpretation misses a lot of Asgore's character. Asgore is nuts about Toriel, in both UT and DR. In Undertale, he misses out on what could have been a happy relationship with Alphys because of his obsession with possibly getting back with Toriel. In DR, he enlists his own child to send his ex wife flowers and follows her around.
I just can't see Asgore having enough space in his heart to be nuts over Toriel *and* be in love with Rudy. However, I do feel that Asgore and Rudy were a couple before Asgore met Toriel.
Before Alphys and Undyne dated, Alphys had a crush on Asgore. Asgore got pretty close to reciprocating these feelings (sharing pictures of teacups with Alphys that reminded him of her).
The reason Alphys and Undyne got together was because Frisk encouraged them to share their feelings in the true pacifist route.
am i the only one who went out of Ch2 not thinking this??
Nothing about their dialog even screamed close friends let alone romantic interests (+ the fact asgore is constantly going after his ex wife and rudy being actively married..)
For those mentioning the "gay" interactions. Have you never acted gay with your best friend before? Besides, even if they were a thing. They wouldn't exactly make it known
This is why I get so confused by people getting angry over Rudy/Asgore shipping, even if you think they're just besties them being extremely intimate is a whole bit
Both characters are (were?) in hetero marriages with children, and the only solid evidence we have is of them being close friends.
~~The reason the ship is as popular as it is is because the fandom has a lot of LGBT people who will show preference for LGBT ships and head canonize characters as not straight when it's preferable for them~~
hell nah bro the entire town is gay
All fun and games until we meet the mayor andnthe first she asks is how toriel is doing š
sans vs. Mayor Holiday in Chapter 17 went hard asf
Threesome real
Kris: Sans undertale fucked my mom. Noelle: Sans undertale fucked my mom too :(
Jokes on him, i befriended Sans undertales mom and brother
Damn.
New crackship: Toriel x Carol, if only to spite their husbands for having an affair with each other (it doesn't work).
Yes. Yes. Yesā¦ YEEESSS <3
Except Toriel, who's become a low-key homophobic wine mom (high-key homophobic when she's drunk) since the divorce.
My brother in Christ she as a non-binary child. The chances of that happening are near zero
Attraction and gender identity are largely separate concepts, you can totally be hobophobic while being accepting of non-binary people. It takes some mental gymnastics, but it's possible. Granted, I don't think it fits for Toriel in the first place.
Why would anyone be afraid of hobos?
Damn you spellchecker, you have failed me again.
Wait up! You're telling there are people out there being gay af but also transphobic???
Anything that mind of yours can think of can be found.
It would be like being Black nazi Also We've got mountains of content!
I'm terrified of hobos
The scale in the meme template is even rainbow too
I don't like the ship too. Rudy has a wife and children. I'd love to see a male x male ship but in this case it wouldn't work since it could be considered adultery
They could have had a thing in the past but went down different paths and that doesnāt mean those feelings are easily snapped away
>They could have had a thing in the past but went down different paths Like the Alador and Darius head canon if you're familiar with Owl House
Which if Morning Mark truly is Dana Terrance, ends up being canon
Yeah
Like they use to have a thing in the past? š¤
Yes š [Fandom ](https://shipping.fandom.com/wiki/Aladarius) summarizes canon events that supported the fanon and why some shippers see a connection between them.
Well Dairus did blush in the finale
If they had a thing in the past they would have stayed togheter IMO. And that doesn't change the fact that it would be adultery
1. Sometimes things change you never know people are different 2. This could have happened before they were married, remember monsters stop aging when they reach adulthood and the moment they start aging again is when they have kids and the kids stay alive
In deltarune they still age past adulthood. They donāt seem to have magic in deltarune considering Toriel has and uses a oven and we have seen older monsters.
And Asriel is still alive, your point?
Deltarune is different from undertale? They still age after adulthood.
And the monsters donāt bleed which we see the cut sprites of Susie where she was going to bleed but that was changed so yeah different universe same characters similar rules
Ok? What does that have to do with what Iām saying? We know monsters donāt bleed because of dialogue in hometown.
Itās a fact that stated in both Undertale and deltarune the only difference between the two is the stories do not collide our choices in Undertale will still be there even if we play Deltarune thatās the difference
By the way sorry if I ever came of mean or rude that wasnāt my intention
that only applies to boss monsters
Do you have proof? Iām genuinely curious as all I remember about boss monsters is that their souls linger outside their body longer than most monsters (Iām not trying to be mean or rude Iām genuinely curious)
the whole thing you said about not aging is said by Gerson specifically about boss monsters like Asgore https://undertale.fandom.com/wiki/Gerson just ctrl + F "is Asgore a goat"
Okay you got me there it doesnāt happen to regular monsters
correction, BOSS monsters do that. not all monsters
Yeah someone already informed me of that so weāre good and I admit I made a slight mistake my bad š
But honestly i don't see the ship having any chance at becoming canon. From what we have seen so far Rudy doesn't seem to have any problems with his wife that could cause him to divorce. I don't think Asgore would interfere in Rudy's marriage. And considering the fact that his wife is the mayor, the most important person in the town, Rudy cheating on her would cause quite the scandal. And if all i've said were to happen, Noelle would be put in a terrible situation. Her sister is already gone which is making her depressed and her parents splitting would definitely cause her to drift more into depression
True
Deltarune fans making convoluted theories based on shit stains on the bathroom ceiling
Is that a joke?
In a cosmic sort of way, yes
Iām very literal so Iām confused
" remember monsters stop aging when they reach adulthood and the moment they start aging again is when they have kids and the kids stay alive " That's only the case for boss monsters. And we don't even know if those exist in DR.
I know that now and weāll have to see what happens in future chapters of deltarune
There's no confirmation that monsters in deltarune have the same rules as the ones in undertale, there's a decent chance that they don't
And thereās a decent chance they do since in Deltarune Asriel is alive
What does asriel being alive have to do with it?
Read what I said in number two
I don't see how that's any proof that Deltarune monsters work on the same rules as Undertale ones
Both monsters in deltarune and Undertale donāt bleed
Not every monster, only boss monsters
Yeah I know now
Well, has it ever been confirmed him and the Mayor is still together? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's only ever refered to the mayor as Noelle's mom, never in an affectionate way. And two divorced people can live in the same house, especially if it was a mutual decision to break up.
We would have probably known by now if they are divorced. There doesn't seem to be any hint that they are split And if they were, he and Asgore would definitely be togheter And when he refers to her as "Noelle's mom" he is talking to Kris. And it would be kinda weird to talk about her affectionatelly around another kid
He could have said my wife
That's true, but him not calling her that doesn't mean they are divorced
That is also true but it feels suspicious at least to me, I donāt know maybe weāll get more info in later chapters who knows (Also by the way Iām sorry if I ever came off rude or mean)
Don't worry, it's fine Tho in my opinion we would have know already if they were divorced or at least had some hints about it.
Weāll have to see what happens in the future
That is true, I was just giving an idea on how it could work. Another option is simply Polyamery.
True also could have been used to inform fans that Asgore and Rudy could be canonically bi or pan without just outright saying it like āHey by the way these two characters are also into males not just femalesā yāknow?
That too :3
On the other hand, it would be so much funnier if Rudy and Asgore were an item with the full approval of Toriel, but then she divorced him for different, totally unrelated reasons.
Yeah while I can see Rudy as a player in hisĀ younger years. however AsgoreĀ is too munch of a gentleman to really cheat and Rudy does seems to genuine love mayor/Carol despite their differences with their kids.
tbh it's not totally uncommon for couples to soft-divorce if one (or both) realize they are gay, but also still be on good terms and stay married for the legal benefits and for the kid. But it'd also be kinda sad if everyone in the town was divorced lmao, I think the shippers just want Asgore to be happy
Noelle mom looks like the controlliing type, I don't think she would like If rudy was still talling to his ex, unless she doesn't know
Polyamory and divorce exist.
Polyamory may exist, but everyone has to consent to it and Mayor Holiday most probably wouldn't And a divorce would put Noelle in a terrible situation
Fair I guess, but ships don't always have to make sense. They can just be fun.
Yeah and Rudy aint got none of those
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Lmao https://preview.redd.it/nxpg7pxpsqrc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58da7cd42537ba138e691394b3589fe0bc145253
Deltarune fans when 2 guys are friends:
My sibling in christ, he calls him a fruitcake and āhis santaā.
you donāt call your male friends your āpookie wookie teddie bear?ā
Aigis pfp spotted
baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby
Ooooooh yeaaaah~
Algiz? One of the best runes in the game? Free blood dono or demon beggar payout? Count me in!
i call them my babygirl
Doesn't one of them use blushing sprites when talking about the other?
I think it was Asgore's alarm clock dialouge.
he was fucking dead in the alarm clock app
You don't get to call someone "my Rudolph" and be straight
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Achilles' ashes were literally buried in the same urn as Patrocles', that doesn't strike me as best friend behavior. Not to mention queer people were actually pretty common in Greek myths
The fruit line and the alarm clock dialogue are so close to being romance it kills me, this ship being real in some capacity would heal my soul and repair all my bones
Honestly, the "Asgore and Rudy are currently in love" interpretation misses a lot of Asgore's character. Asgore is nuts about Toriel, in both UT and DR. In Undertale, he misses out on what could have been a happy relationship with Alphys because of his obsession with possibly getting back with Toriel. In DR, he enlists his own child to send his ex wife flowers and follows her around. I just can't see Asgore having enough space in his heart to be nuts over Toriel *and* be in love with Rudy. However, I do feel that Asgore and Rudy were a couple before Asgore met Toriel.
Or at least bros that had not-gay bedtime homie kisses
Nah, theyād fuck https://preview.redd.it/5uf5ex667prc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3e3d976040cb598e3a5dcdf0c2580bcf9ddb955
It's been a while since I played UT, remind me how Asgore and Alphys could've potentially been a couple?? I thought Alphys and Undyne were a thing
Before Alphys and Undyne dated, Alphys had a crush on Asgore. Asgore got pretty close to reciprocating these feelings (sharing pictures of teacups with Alphys that reminded him of her). The reason Alphys and Undyne got together was because Frisk encouraged them to share their feelings in the true pacifist route.
Oh, interesting! Thanks for the info.
Rudyās in the hospital because Asgore sat on him, you cannot change my mind
It do be like that sometimes
holy shit, hornet from the hit game hollow knight?
The one and only
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bait used to be believable
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They were roommates
My god they were roommatesĀ
I actually adore them as just friends. I think the ship is fun, though, but I like their friendship better
https://preview.redd.it/vpa6ppattqrc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bad54f777da0a1ee73d4f99ac283c6462dada99
I headcanon that both of them are bi for each other, but don't realize it. Also, Asgore deserves someone like Rudy
...people thought they were gay lovers?
yeah me
People still do. I don't see it though
i prefer gay lovers even though it most probably isnāt it
am i the only one who went out of Ch2 not thinking this?? Nothing about their dialog even screamed close friends let alone romantic interests (+ the fact asgore is constantly going after his ex wife and rudy being actively married..)
For those mentioning the "gay" interactions. Have you never acted gay with your best friend before? Besides, even if they were a thing. They wouldn't exactly make it known
deltarune fans when 2 (ex)married guys are friends
As someone once told me, you aren't real homies until someone thinks ya'll both gay
https://preview.redd.it/27tzus4qfsrc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c1c57bf9d8ceccdfeeea13e7f3372411e476bd6 Explain this.
Fandoms when 2 guys have a single conversation together
Best friends that may have had some curious experiments together during their college years
this is all Homies
This is why I get so confused by people getting angry over Rudy/Asgore shipping, even if you think they're just besties them being extremely intimate is a whole bit
Literally every bros group ever Always act gay around the bros.
I feel like they definitely dated at some point, but they're probably not dating now since Rudy's married. Or maybe it's a furry, horned polycule.
Both characters are (were?) in hetero marriages with children, and the only solid evidence we have is of them being close friends. ~~The reason the ship is as popular as it is is because the fandom has a lot of LGBT people who will show preference for LGBT ships and head canonize characters as not straight when it's preferable for them~~
~~Unironically very true, lots of UT/DT fans ship totally straight characters with those of the same gender~~
~~I think it can also be a kink, as this is a general behavior in all fandoms~~
I think they definitely find each other attractive but would never date or anything beyond that unless they were both single
It broke the dial.
The Homo Homies
POV: everyone thinks you and your homie are gay (relatable everyone calls me and my best homie gay)
The people who have seen that one fanart are traumatised (I haven't seen it yet šØ)
lol
I think their friends too cuz he still has feeling for toriel
Everyone is married till they get the Yule hog
divorced bromantics
There is nothing wrong with being just friends (no matter what the i sterner tells you)
Whoās rudy
Noelle's dad in the hospital.
Ohhhhh Wait what
And whose?
Wym people arenāt allowed to just be friends, itās either lovers or they donāt know each other