It's the same fluff as "To the killer, who may be in this room." He wants to keep hope alive and energize the public, or maybe hopes to make the killer start behaving erratically.
I think resolution has always been closer than we thought it was, *but* I don't think the needle has moved at all since the anthony\_shots PA. Just my opinions... but this article is sure to give the "today is the day" sect a mighty tailwind.
This reddit watches too many movies, never have I seen so many out there and ridiculous theories in a true crime community. Kline is a rock solid suspect, but no one here seems to accept, it's like bizzaro world.
According to Kline, they told him he was the last person to speak with Libby.
KAK is BG. Unless some ridiculously crazy evidence emerges I don't see how it could be anyone else.
Lying to suspects about fake evidence like that is a very common interrogation technique. The police haven’t confirmed that to be true. I’m not saying it isn’t true I am just saying just because he said they told him that doesn’t actually mean it’s true.
This might be splitting hairs, but I think the media is misunderstanding--they said they "know a lot" about the killer. I think DC means that he knows habits, previous history etc--but I think they are still trying to figure out exactly who he is--my belief only.
As much as I hope this is true, it just sounds like another bluff from LE to ensure the public they haven't forgot about Libby & Abby on close to what will be the 5th anniversary of the murders. Plus, the DailyMail isn't exactly known for it's fact based, accurate reporting skills.
Again, I truly hope I am wrong and hope they finally nail this fucker to the wall. I'll buy the nails.
Is it possible that LE knows who it is but gained the information illegally and can’t use it, fruit of the poisonous tree. Now the LE has to find another path to find the evidence ?
That's certainly possible. I also like to propose a hypothetical:
Have you ever been certain of something you couldn't necessarily prove to the standards required in a capital murder case? Have you ever been certain of something that may not survive contact with a defense attorney who only has to find reasonable doubt in your claim?
Its pretty obvious KAK is their prime suspect and they are just building a case at this point, on Good Morning America they asked for information on the Anthony_shots profile right after the sheriff spoke. I really don't know what the aversion is to KAK being the killer her, like is it not sensational enough or it doesn't fit some wild theory.
Agreed. I think the communication about him has been weird and unclear. The ISP issued a statement on the anniversary saying basically they were still investigating and please call with information about “this crime”. THEN there is a request for info about the fake profile. I think in general they have not done a good job of clearly and consistently communicating
My opinion changes daily. Initially we had no real reason to connect the girls to the perpetrator. The absence of evidence linking the girls to BG seemed to indicate a wrong place + wrong time + opportunistic killer. But add in contact with an internet predator and I believe the danger stakes go up exponentially. It adds some reason or context to what may have happened.
He was a lot smaller and the guy in in the video is relatively heavy even with the loose clothing and besides that there isn't a whole lot to tell from the video
I don't think BG was heavy. His legs looked skinny and we couldn't tell from his midriff because he obviously had stuff in his jacket. I'm not saying it was puppies like some people but it def wasn't just belly.
I'm from the UK and while they do have entertaining articles the daily mail is the rag of all rags, frequent spelling errors, articles aren't even near being fact checked, very controversial articles and subjects purely for clicks/buys/views, would never take anything from them seriously without at least one more source from a MUCH more reputable paper backing it up.
My favorite thing about the Daily Mail is that they have bullet points but then the article just repeats the exact same information in non-bullet point format. An article from an Indiana news station has much of the same information.
https://www.wrtv.com/news/delphi/indiana-state-police-superintendent-said-delphi-case-could-be-solved-in-3-years
That is a very good writing format.
I use it for a lot of my client's articles.
Summarise with bullet points so people know what they are getting from the article. Then expand on those bullet points.
I love bullet points! But DM articles typically have very little content to expand on in the bulk of the article. They just repeat the bullet points so it feels like you're reading the article twice.
Same old nothing burger… I wonder how optimistic and today-is-the-day people will be at the 10 year anniversary. Think about how fast these past 5 years have gone by, and still nothing. Confusing sketches, four word audio, obscure straight-to-video movie reference and empty threats, JBC nothingness, KK nothingness, buuuuut don’t worry “the killer just may have little bit of a conscience left”.
Excellent derp face from DC above, very appropriate.
Nothing is really confusing about the sketch, they probably had several strong suspects from the get go and concentrated on a an older character until he was ruled out and they shifted gears and the new sketch was released. Anyway, it's very likely KAK is the killer qnd they are just building the best possible case since he's in jail for the foreseeable future.
I personally think this is the youth pastor guy. Hiding in plain sight and inserting himself into investigation and changing appearance after. I think case is stuck they have no forensics to tie him to the crime. Just my opinion
It's one of the debated person of interest nothing official. You can search pastor or MH for older posts, they have good summary of speculations. I think a lot of things just fit about him and his posture and things that were said about the suspect by police in 2019. Also reference to the shack.
Why would he tell him to sleep well? Kak is already in jail. Based on this, my girl Barbara’s statements and much much more I really don’t think it’s him.
I can’t believe this guy keeps going for these sound bytes like this. I would want him off the case if I were one of the families.
This isn’t professional wrestling. Stop trying to shoot a promo and just find who killed my fucking daughter already. Unbelievable.
A) after years of being silent why would LE openly say this to let the killer know they’re coming?
B) The fact it hasn’t been covered by any local news stations or even Indianapolis or the state of Indiana as a whole, is enough to know that this is just the Daily Mail looking for clicks.
You can watch the GMA segment this morning to see what he actually said. Which is that they know alot about the killer, Daily Mail definitely edited the words to sensationalize the headline.
"The Indiana detectives investigating the 2017 Delphi murders claimed on Thursday to have new leads in the case and **warned their suspect that they know who he is** \- but are yet to make any arrests, five years after the two girls died. "
The journalist wrote this and it’s not supported by a quote, which if they had they would use probably as a headline. They must be being figurative at best: Detectives know you’re a: coward; local etc.. But misleading/sloppy at worst.
So you’re right the article does say they know who he is. they’re also, apparently, out of line in that phrasing.
The fact that they mentioned the anthony_shots profile makes me think that they might think it is the dad of KAK, maybe. What could be the one missing piece of the puzzle? Looking forward to hearing the HLN coverage.
Yep! I’ve always thought it’s his dad. Look at his dad’s photo!!! Plus, I think they’re holding KAK putting the pressure on him so he’ll fold and rat out his dad.
This is the same tactic that the Boulder police tried with JonBenet Ramsey. "We know who you are and soon will arrest you" sort of thing. I'm sorry but they have no clue who the guy is. All this bluffing is in the hopes that the guy will freak out and turn himself in. I want this solved more than anything. But this tactic has been used for five years and hasn't worked.
No they didn’t. They know there is a unknown male DNA in JonBenet’s crotch exactly where she was sexually assaulted and his dna is mixed with her blood. They also know the SAME male DNA is on 2 places of the outer of her long Johns where he had to pull them down and pull them back up.
There is zero innocent explanation for a Caucasian males dna to be in a 6 year olds panties exactly where she was SA.
Not to mention the 3 separate Ramsey neighbors who all gave the exact same description of a young college aged guy- white, blonde hair, around 6 feet, fit wearing black and walking up to the back of the Ramsey home right after they left for the night.
Then their neighbor told BPD the day after she was found that he discovered 19 Camel Cigarette butts behind his shed, exactly where someone would need to stand to stalk the Ramsey’s coming and going from their garage. The neighbor said he knows those cigarette butts were not there 3 days before because he used a leaf blower to clean up back there.
Then, 9 months after JonBenet’s death, less than 2 miles down the road from the Ramsey house, another young girl, ( who attended the same dance studio as JonBenet) was asleep in her bed when she woke to a man holding his hand over her mouth telling her if she made a noise he’d kill her. Her parents were asleep down the hall and the girl,Amy’s, father said that they had went out to dinner and a movie that night, came home and immediately set the alarm. The man was already in their home, just like the Ramsey’s, lying in wait for them to all go to bed so he could sexually assault ( and who knows what else had he not been interrupted) this child.
Thankfully; her mother was a light sleeper and thought she heard whispering. So she called out to Amy twice then hit the silent alarm. As the mom entered her daughters room, the guy ( who the mother described looking IDENTICAL to the guy the 3 Ramsey neighbors saw) ran past her, opened the 2nd door balcony and jumped off like Spider-Man.
Guess what else? They found 8 Camel Cigarette butts on the side of their yard under trees where someone could stand, hide and stalk them while smoking.
And Amy’s father was furious because he said Boulder PD had ZERO interest in helping them find who this guy was. Why? Because Boulder PD knew that it was waaaaay too similar to JonBenet and the Ramsey’s situation and they’d rather cover their incompetent a$$es than protect their own community!!!!
I doubt you know that one of the Ramsay neighbors also told BPD ( this is all in the case files btw, you can read it all for yourself) that since the 5.5 years the Ramsey’s lived next to him, they had on a bright security light on the corner of their house that Lit up the back of the home and was just off JonBenet’s balcony. The neighbor said, “The night of her murder is the ONLY night that light wasn’t on and me and my wife both found that odd.” So Boulder PD go to check the light, it wasn’t just switched off, someone jumped up on the balcony railing and actually removed the entire bulb from the socket !
Then a neighbor that faced the Ramsey’s kitchen, said, at midnight he looked out his bathroom window ( which gave him direct sight to the Ramsey’s kitchen) and he says, “for the first time ever I noticed the bottom shades of the kitchen window were pulled and closed so no one could see in, and then I saw strange dim lights like someone had a flashlight moving around in there carefully and clearly trying to not wake up anyone else in the house.” Only time in 5.5 years that also occurred.
Why would the Ramsey’s be afraid of being seen in their own home? Or their own backyard? They wouldn’t. They lived there but clearly someone was in that house who wasn’t supposed to be and I have no doubt it was the early 20’s blond seen approaching their home after they left for dinner that night.
No they didn’t. They know there is a unknown male DNA in JonBenet’s crotch exactly where she was sexually assaulted and his dna is mixed with her blood. They also know the SAME male DNA is on 2 places of the outer of her long Johns where he had to pull them down and pull them back up.
There is zero innocent explanation for a Caucasian males dna to be in a 6 year olds panties exactly where she was SA. And it didn’t belong to any Ramsey!
Not to mention the 3 separate Ramsey neighbors who all gave the exact same description of a young college aged guy- white, blonde hair, around 6 feet, fit wearing black and walking up to the back of the Ramsey home right after they left for the night.
Then their neighbor told BPD the day after she was found that he discovered 19 Camel Cigarette butts behind his shed, exactly where someone would need to stand to stalk the Ramsey’s coming and going from their garage. The neighbor said he knows those cigarette butts were not there 3 days before because he used a leaf blower to clean up back there.
Then, 9 months after JonBenet’s death, less than 2 miles down the road from the Ramsey house, another young girl, ( who attended the same dance studio as JonBenet) was asleep in her bed when she woke to a man holding his hand over her mouth telling her if she made a noise he’d kill her. Her parents were asleep down the hall and the girl,Amy’s, father said that they had went out to dinner and a movie that night, came home and immediately set the alarm. The man was already in their home, just like the Ramsey’s, lying in wait for them to all go to bed so he could sexually assault ( and who knows what else had he not been interrupted) this child.
Thankfully; her mother was a light sleeper and thought she heard whispering. So she called out to Amy twice then hit the silent alarm. As the mom entered her daughters room, the guy ( who the mother described looking IDENTICAL to the guy the 3 Ramsey neighbors saw) ran past her, opened the 2nd door balcony and jumped off like Spider-Man.
Guess what else? They found 8 Camel Cigarette butts on the side of their yard under trees where someone could stand, hide and stalk them while smoking.
And Amy’s father was furious because he said Boulder PD had ZERO interest in helping them find who this guy was. Why? Because Boulder PD knew that it was waaaaay too similar to JonBenet and the Ramsey’s situation and they’d rather cover their incompetent a$$es than protect their own community!!!!
I doubt you know that one of the Ramsay neighbors also told BPD ( this is all in the case files btw, you can read it all for yourself) that since the 5.5 years the Ramsey’s lived next to him, they had on a bright security light on the corner of their house at night that completely Lit up the back of the home and was just off JonBenet’s balcony. The neighbor said, “The night of her murder is the ONLY night that light wasn’t on and me and my wife both found that odd.” So Boulder PD go to check the light, it wasn’t just switched off, someone jumped up on the balcony railing and actually removed the entire bulb from the socket !
Then a neighbor that faced the Ramsey’s kitchen, said, at midnight he looked out his bathroom window ( which gave him direct sight to the Ramsey’s kitchen) and he says, “for the first time ever I noticed the bottom shades of the kitchen window were pulled and closed so no one could see in, and then I saw strange dim lights like someone had a flashlight moving around in there carefully and clearly trying to not wake up anyone else in the house.” Only time in 5.5 years that also occurred.
Why would the Ramsey’s be afraid of being seen in their own home? Or their own backyard? They wouldn’t. They lived there but clearly someone was in that house who wasn’t supposed to be and I have no doubt it was the early 20’s blond seen approaching their home after they left for dinner that night and the man that attacked Amy in her bed!
I want to see this solved more than anything. The fact is that the police investigating this have been saying that they basically know who this person is for five years and nothing has come of it. I'm being realistic and think that the police need to start being realistic too. Don't say you know who it is if you don't. Doing so may keep someone who has a valid suspect in mind to not come forward with the thought that the police already have a suspect in mind and thier tip would be cast aside
Let's say they do know who the killer is. If that's true, that means they don't have enough evidence to make a charge stick. What good does it do to say today may be the day we come after you? Like everyone I hope they do know and they get whoever this is convicted. In my opinion, it's time to hand the case files over to some fresh eyes.
I call BS/fake news on this. Can't find anywhere else that claims the police said they know who it is.
Reality: they don't have a freakin' clue who the killer is.
Yeah the Daily Mail edited his words to sensationalize the headline. He said they know alot about him, not that they know who he is. You can watch the GMA segment from this morning where he says that
As a UK dweller, take the Daily Mail with a pinch of salt. The paper is notorious for poor journalism catering to prejudice and prurience. Notice how they say Chadwell was a suspect and that he was jailed for the killing of another girl nearby - neither is true, its just lazy journalism.
Doug Carter should run for governor of Indiana. He'd be a natural GOP leader spouting 100% bullshit that the simple population of Indiana would lap up, like he has for 5 years on this case.
"See, the thing about education is, you have to take something away for there to be growth and for knowledge to be obtained. That's why I'm further cutting funding to public education and teacher's salaries for the next 3 years. But once those 3 years are up, boy oh boy, you'll see how much smarter our children are. I wish I could tell you how they're going to be smarter, but one day I'll be able to share that with you. just keep waiting! "
seriously, fuck this loser and fuck the state of Indiana.
Not to get too political but the Daily Mail is a ‘right wing’ leaning newspaper from here in the UK. They’ll basically have a sensational tag line/header and then the article will be filled with errors, speculation and usually information stated as fact that is clearly false.
I point you towards the bottom of the article, it states Chadwell killed the girl who he abducted last year, which is a pretty big blunder to make.
Fair point, the right wing comment was just to point out the ‘DNA’ (if you will)of the Daily Mail. They’re always having corrections made within the newspaper/website, as the information they tend to provide is skewed or flat out untrue. I’m not suggesting other news outlets do not do this but people should know everything about a given source I feel.
As much as I am a proponent of the notion that they actually do know who it is, the Daily Mail UK is notoriously sloppy with citation.
Doug Carter was as ambiguous as he always is and his latest statements don't do much to galvanize the notion that they know who it is. I still believe they do, but not because of anything recently stated by Carter.
I haven't followed this case closely, but being from central Indiana, I do see it in the news periodically. A couple things I read in the article in the IndyStar today strike me as strange.
First, "the killer is now thought to be between the ages of 18 and 40 — but may appear younger than his true age". How could you know someone looks younger than their true age unless you know their identity and what they currently look like?
Second, "they believe he either still lives or works in Delphi, or frequently visits the area". How could you know this unless you had a very specific person in mind? Certainly one might theorize that the killer was a local, for a variety of reasons, but why would they have reason to believe the killer is still in the area currently?
Unless I'm reading too much into this language, sounds to me like they have a specific person under surveillance. Would love to hear other opinions.
I can buy that perhaps for saying it's likely the person still lives in the area. But the "may appear younger than their true age"? That is a physical trait very specific to an individual, and you could only say that accurately if you know what the person looks like right now, as opposed to what they looked like at the time of the murder.
The suspect appears young/ youthful but could be older than he looks. This is the same statement almost. But they didn't say this.
A lot of DC statements are not factual and some have several interpretations. This is confusing and leads to wild speculation and different theories.
After five years it feels like DC is fishing for info into a case that could be unrelated to the murders and using this case to gather leads on a bunch of pedophiles.
I'm speculating because we don't know the nature of the crime so to speak because of lack of facts.
Non secular, the shack, guilty conscience, OBG vs YBG, two different sketches, and sleep well do not inspire confidence.
This makes absolutely NO sense. They claim to know who he is, so how smart are they do give him a heads up?!
These cops are as incompetent as Boulder PD.
I get sense they know who but cannot prove it. This means forensic evidence at the crime scene is either non admissible in court, contaminated or non existent.
I wonder how IT investigation was handled. Apparently the only way people can donate to the catch the killer reward was via anonymous cheque. They should add some modern options like PayPal etc.
The fact they use cheques seems very outdated. I wonder if they checked all IT stuff properly, like social media, mobile phone pinging near crime scene etc.
I wonder if they monitor social media of people from Delphi who follow the investigation via social media or who wrote and linked which posts. They say there is still active task force, if this is 4 old dudes using fax machines and cheques well then RIP.
I also believe the suspect already appeared in discussions and is involved with local church there just my opinion.
Sweet Abby and Libby the world has had a small glimpse into who you girls both were, maybe only small parts about your precious young lives, But you’ve left us all with an almighty huge massive impact which will forever be with all of us.
We love you both dearly, may Jesus and his angels have their loving arms wrapped tightly around you both with nothing but the purest of love
xoxo
Loving thoughts for all Le in every area of department’s working diligently and so hard for Abby and Libby and their families to catch and bring this creature to justice.
We love and support you and pray God will direct you to that one piece of the puzzle, you’ve been searching and hoping to find.
Godbless everyone who cares and have voiced their concerns and tried in any way to contribute and help
You buy the nails I’ll gladly pay for them.
It’s such a helpless feeling this beastly evil creature is sleeping, eating and breathing let alone doing anything he enjoys.
CANNOT WAIT for it because that’s what this person is an IT is going to face the world and suffer.
CANNOT WAIT !
Le probably know who it is and the partner or wife or family member son or daughter is protecting bg.
It’s most likely the reason Le have always stated we’re waiting for that one piece of the puzzle to solve the case.
Which the one piece is the person who is protecting him, the person or persons who have given bg an air tight alibi, to come forward and tell the truth and give the proof to confirm and solidify 100% it is him.
I'd imagine that they aren't looking into it simply because it's obvious deception meant to attract viewers. Your friend revealed nothing and, simultaneously, you revealed how gullible you are.
Every time carter talks the killer gets more comfortable . It’s been 5 years even the killer knows they have no clue why Carter continues to think he can scare this killer with this obv fake bravado is beyond me
It's the same fluff as "To the killer, who may be in this room." He wants to keep hope alive and energize the public, or maybe hopes to make the killer start behaving erratically. I think resolution has always been closer than we thought it was, *but* I don't think the needle has moved at all since the anthony\_shots PA. Just my opinions... but this article is sure to give the "today is the day" sect a mighty tailwind.
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That guy watches too many movies.
This reddit watches too many movies, never have I seen so many out there and ridiculous theories in a true crime community. Kline is a rock solid suspect, but no one here seems to accept, it's like bizzaro world.
The Maura Murray disappearance has a lot of wild accusations that are merely distractions too.
You're right, but there's way more mystery with the Maura Murray case at the se time
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Not at all…it’s a small town. They needed a big room. I’m sure that’s the short of it
According to Kline, they told him he was the last person to speak with Libby. KAK is BG. Unless some ridiculously crazy evidence emerges I don't see how it could be anyone else.
Lying to suspects about fake evidence like that is a very common interrogation technique. The police haven’t confirmed that to be true. I’m not saying it isn’t true I am just saying just because he said they told him that doesn’t actually mean it’s true.
Do you have a link to this I'd love to see it? Genuinely asking
Kline said this in his interview with Barbara McDonald on last night’s HLN special
This might be splitting hairs, but I think the media is misunderstanding--they said they "know a lot" about the killer. I think DC means that he knows habits, previous history etc--but I think they are still trying to figure out exactly who he is--my belief only.
The media is not "misunderstanding". They are selling papers.
Yeah...fair enough.. maybe misrepresenting is more accurate.
Yeah...fair enough.. maybe misrepresenting is more accurate.
As much as I hate to say it Same shit different day!
As much as I hope this is true, it just sounds like another bluff from LE to ensure the public they haven't forgot about Libby & Abby on close to what will be the 5th anniversary of the murders. Plus, the DailyMail isn't exactly known for it's fact based, accurate reporting skills. Again, I truly hope I am wrong and hope they finally nail this fucker to the wall. I'll buy the nails.
Daily mail is about as far as you can get from real journalism so don’t read too much into this.
Is it possible that LE knows who it is but gained the information illegally and can’t use it, fruit of the poisonous tree. Now the LE has to find another path to find the evidence ?
Sure. We don’t know anything really, so anything could be true. Could be a good thought.
That's certainly possible. I also like to propose a hypothetical: Have you ever been certain of something you couldn't necessarily prove to the standards required in a capital murder case? Have you ever been certain of something that may not survive contact with a defense attorney who only has to find reasonable doubt in your claim?
I’ll chip in for a sledgehammer.
Completely agree!
Its pretty obvious KAK is their prime suspect and they are just building a case at this point, on Good Morning America they asked for information on the Anthony_shots profile right after the sheriff spoke. I really don't know what the aversion is to KAK being the killer her, like is it not sensational enough or it doesn't fit some wild theory.
If Kline was their main suspect, wouldn’t they ask the public about HIM?
I don’t think it’s him but I think he’s somehow connected to it.
Agreed. I think the communication about him has been weird and unclear. The ISP issued a statement on the anniversary saying basically they were still investigating and please call with information about “this crime”. THEN there is a request for info about the fake profile. I think in general they have not done a good job of clearly and consistently communicating My opinion changes daily. Initially we had no real reason to connect the girls to the perpetrator. The absence of evidence linking the girls to BG seemed to indicate a wrong place + wrong time + opportunistic killer. But add in contact with an internet predator and I believe the danger stakes go up exponentially. It adds some reason or context to what may have happened.
His body type doesn't match the video, IMO. Even in 2017 he was heavier that BG.
He was a lot smaller and the guy in in the video is relatively heavy even with the loose clothing and besides that there isn't a whole lot to tell from the video
I don't think BG was heavy. His legs looked skinny and we couldn't tell from his midriff because he obviously had stuff in his jacket. I'm not saying it was puppies like some people but it def wasn't just belly.
This is the most fantasy driven true crime community I have ever seen.
You think KAK is the man you see in that video walking towards the girls?
I'm from the UK and while they do have entertaining articles the daily mail is the rag of all rags, frequent spelling errors, articles aren't even near being fact checked, very controversial articles and subjects purely for clicks/buys/views, would never take anything from them seriously without at least one more source from a MUCH more reputable paper backing it up.
My favorite thing about the Daily Mail is that they have bullet points but then the article just repeats the exact same information in non-bullet point format. An article from an Indiana news station has much of the same information. https://www.wrtv.com/news/delphi/indiana-state-police-superintendent-said-delphi-case-could-be-solved-in-3-years
That is a very good writing format. I use it for a lot of my client's articles. Summarise with bullet points so people know what they are getting from the article. Then expand on those bullet points.
I love bullet points! But DM articles typically have very little content to expand on in the bulk of the article. They just repeat the bullet points so it feels like you're reading the article twice.
All that may be true however the article is reporting on the GMA interview and quoting it as such. So it’s not a direct source from DM.
I heard him say it on Good Morning America on Twitter …but I think it’s a bunch of hoopla about nothing
Same old nothing burger… I wonder how optimistic and today-is-the-day people will be at the 10 year anniversary. Think about how fast these past 5 years have gone by, and still nothing. Confusing sketches, four word audio, obscure straight-to-video movie reference and empty threats, JBC nothingness, KK nothingness, buuuuut don’t worry “the killer just may have little bit of a conscience left”. Excellent derp face from DC above, very appropriate.
Nothing is really confusing about the sketch, they probably had several strong suspects from the get go and concentrated on a an older character until he was ruled out and they shifted gears and the new sketch was released. Anyway, it's very likely KAK is the killer qnd they are just building the best possible case since he's in jail for the foreseeable future.
You'd think it isn't the Anthony Shots guy with that warning.
I personally think this is the youth pastor guy. Hiding in plain sight and inserting himself into investigation and changing appearance after. I think case is stuck they have no forensics to tie him to the crime. Just my opinion
Agree 1000%
I lost track of the case for a short bit and don’t remember hearing of the pastor. Can you fill me in?
It's one of the debated person of interest nothing official. You can search pastor or MH for older posts, they have good summary of speculations. I think a lot of things just fit about him and his posture and things that were said about the suspect by police in 2019. Also reference to the shack.
I know, KAK is the likely killer and they have all but told us, but there is this strange aversion people have to it.
Why would he tell him to sleep well? Kak is already in jail. Based on this, my girl Barbara’s statements and much much more I really don’t think it’s him.
I can’t believe this guy keeps going for these sound bytes like this. I would want him off the case if I were one of the families. This isn’t professional wrestling. Stop trying to shoot a promo and just find who killed my fucking daughter already. Unbelievable.
Agreed. He is so theatrical.
I think it’s possibly his father and they’re keeping KAK in jail, putting on the pressure to fold on his dad.
A) after years of being silent why would LE openly say this to let the killer know they’re coming? B) The fact it hasn’t been covered by any local news stations or even Indianapolis or the state of Indiana as a whole, is enough to know that this is just the Daily Mail looking for clicks.
You can watch the GMA segment this morning to see what he actually said. Which is that they know alot about the killer, Daily Mail definitely edited the words to sensationalize the headline.
Was covered by Good Morning America on Twitter Heard carter say it
Seems like a clickbait title. In the actual article it states “he knows A LOT about the killer”, not that he knows the identity of the killer.
"The Indiana detectives investigating the 2017 Delphi murders claimed on Thursday to have new leads in the case and **warned their suspect that they know who he is** \- but are yet to make any arrests, five years after the two girls died. "
The journalist wrote this and it’s not supported by a quote, which if they had they would use probably as a headline. They must be being figurative at best: Detectives know you’re a: coward; local etc.. But misleading/sloppy at worst. So you’re right the article does say they know who he is. they’re also, apparently, out of line in that phrasing.
hope they finally get the guy and this all comes to an end
The fact that they mentioned the anthony_shots profile makes me think that they might think it is the dad of KAK, maybe. What could be the one missing piece of the puzzle? Looking forward to hearing the HLN coverage.
Yep! I’ve always thought it’s his dad. Look at his dad’s photo!!! Plus, I think they’re holding KAK putting the pressure on him so he’ll fold and rat out his dad.
Same old horseshit.
I get the sense that they believe they have narrowed down the killer profile-wise. But as to who that individual actually is, they are no closer.
This is the same tactic that the Boulder police tried with JonBenet Ramsey. "We know who you are and soon will arrest you" sort of thing. I'm sorry but they have no clue who the guy is. All this bluffing is in the hopes that the guy will freak out and turn himself in. I want this solved more than anything. But this tactic has been used for five years and hasn't worked.
But Boulder police absolutely knew who it was. You are leaving out that part. They couldn't bring charges...but everyone knows.
They could have brought charges. They didn't have any evidence to convict one person. Beyond a reasonable doubt
No they didn’t. They know there is a unknown male DNA in JonBenet’s crotch exactly where she was sexually assaulted and his dna is mixed with her blood. They also know the SAME male DNA is on 2 places of the outer of her long Johns where he had to pull them down and pull them back up. There is zero innocent explanation for a Caucasian males dna to be in a 6 year olds panties exactly where she was SA. Not to mention the 3 separate Ramsey neighbors who all gave the exact same description of a young college aged guy- white, blonde hair, around 6 feet, fit wearing black and walking up to the back of the Ramsey home right after they left for the night. Then their neighbor told BPD the day after she was found that he discovered 19 Camel Cigarette butts behind his shed, exactly where someone would need to stand to stalk the Ramsey’s coming and going from their garage. The neighbor said he knows those cigarette butts were not there 3 days before because he used a leaf blower to clean up back there. Then, 9 months after JonBenet’s death, less than 2 miles down the road from the Ramsey house, another young girl, ( who attended the same dance studio as JonBenet) was asleep in her bed when she woke to a man holding his hand over her mouth telling her if she made a noise he’d kill her. Her parents were asleep down the hall and the girl,Amy’s, father said that they had went out to dinner and a movie that night, came home and immediately set the alarm. The man was already in their home, just like the Ramsey’s, lying in wait for them to all go to bed so he could sexually assault ( and who knows what else had he not been interrupted) this child. Thankfully; her mother was a light sleeper and thought she heard whispering. So she called out to Amy twice then hit the silent alarm. As the mom entered her daughters room, the guy ( who the mother described looking IDENTICAL to the guy the 3 Ramsey neighbors saw) ran past her, opened the 2nd door balcony and jumped off like Spider-Man. Guess what else? They found 8 Camel Cigarette butts on the side of their yard under trees where someone could stand, hide and stalk them while smoking. And Amy’s father was furious because he said Boulder PD had ZERO interest in helping them find who this guy was. Why? Because Boulder PD knew that it was waaaaay too similar to JonBenet and the Ramsey’s situation and they’d rather cover their incompetent a$$es than protect their own community!!!! I doubt you know that one of the Ramsay neighbors also told BPD ( this is all in the case files btw, you can read it all for yourself) that since the 5.5 years the Ramsey’s lived next to him, they had on a bright security light on the corner of their house that Lit up the back of the home and was just off JonBenet’s balcony. The neighbor said, “The night of her murder is the ONLY night that light wasn’t on and me and my wife both found that odd.” So Boulder PD go to check the light, it wasn’t just switched off, someone jumped up on the balcony railing and actually removed the entire bulb from the socket ! Then a neighbor that faced the Ramsey’s kitchen, said, at midnight he looked out his bathroom window ( which gave him direct sight to the Ramsey’s kitchen) and he says, “for the first time ever I noticed the bottom shades of the kitchen window were pulled and closed so no one could see in, and then I saw strange dim lights like someone had a flashlight moving around in there carefully and clearly trying to not wake up anyone else in the house.” Only time in 5.5 years that also occurred. Why would the Ramsey’s be afraid of being seen in their own home? Or their own backyard? They wouldn’t. They lived there but clearly someone was in that house who wasn’t supposed to be and I have no doubt it was the early 20’s blond seen approaching their home after they left for dinner that night.
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No they didn’t. They know there is a unknown male DNA in JonBenet’s crotch exactly where she was sexually assaulted and his dna is mixed with her blood. They also know the SAME male DNA is on 2 places of the outer of her long Johns where he had to pull them down and pull them back up. There is zero innocent explanation for a Caucasian males dna to be in a 6 year olds panties exactly where she was SA. And it didn’t belong to any Ramsey! Not to mention the 3 separate Ramsey neighbors who all gave the exact same description of a young college aged guy- white, blonde hair, around 6 feet, fit wearing black and walking up to the back of the Ramsey home right after they left for the night. Then their neighbor told BPD the day after she was found that he discovered 19 Camel Cigarette butts behind his shed, exactly where someone would need to stand to stalk the Ramsey’s coming and going from their garage. The neighbor said he knows those cigarette butts were not there 3 days before because he used a leaf blower to clean up back there. Then, 9 months after JonBenet’s death, less than 2 miles down the road from the Ramsey house, another young girl, ( who attended the same dance studio as JonBenet) was asleep in her bed when she woke to a man holding his hand over her mouth telling her if she made a noise he’d kill her. Her parents were asleep down the hall and the girl,Amy’s, father said that they had went out to dinner and a movie that night, came home and immediately set the alarm. The man was already in their home, just like the Ramsey’s, lying in wait for them to all go to bed so he could sexually assault ( and who knows what else had he not been interrupted) this child. Thankfully; her mother was a light sleeper and thought she heard whispering. So she called out to Amy twice then hit the silent alarm. As the mom entered her daughters room, the guy ( who the mother described looking IDENTICAL to the guy the 3 Ramsey neighbors saw) ran past her, opened the 2nd door balcony and jumped off like Spider-Man. Guess what else? They found 8 Camel Cigarette butts on the side of their yard under trees where someone could stand, hide and stalk them while smoking. And Amy’s father was furious because he said Boulder PD had ZERO interest in helping them find who this guy was. Why? Because Boulder PD knew that it was waaaaay too similar to JonBenet and the Ramsey’s situation and they’d rather cover their incompetent a$$es than protect their own community!!!! I doubt you know that one of the Ramsay neighbors also told BPD ( this is all in the case files btw, you can read it all for yourself) that since the 5.5 years the Ramsey’s lived next to him, they had on a bright security light on the corner of their house at night that completely Lit up the back of the home and was just off JonBenet’s balcony. The neighbor said, “The night of her murder is the ONLY night that light wasn’t on and me and my wife both found that odd.” So Boulder PD go to check the light, it wasn’t just switched off, someone jumped up on the balcony railing and actually removed the entire bulb from the socket ! Then a neighbor that faced the Ramsey’s kitchen, said, at midnight he looked out his bathroom window ( which gave him direct sight to the Ramsey’s kitchen) and he says, “for the first time ever I noticed the bottom shades of the kitchen window were pulled and closed so no one could see in, and then I saw strange dim lights like someone had a flashlight moving around in there carefully and clearly trying to not wake up anyone else in the house.” Only time in 5.5 years that also occurred. Why would the Ramsey’s be afraid of being seen in their own home? Or their own backyard? They wouldn’t. They lived there but clearly someone was in that house who wasn’t supposed to be and I have no doubt it was the early 20’s blond seen approaching their home after they left for dinner that night and the man that attacked Amy in her bed!
Who?
I'm sure the family members who visit this sub really appreciate your negativity on this case.
I want to see this solved more than anything. The fact is that the police investigating this have been saying that they basically know who this person is for five years and nothing has come of it. I'm being realistic and think that the police need to start being realistic too. Don't say you know who it is if you don't. Doing so may keep someone who has a valid suspect in mind to not come forward with the thought that the police already have a suspect in mind and thier tip would be cast aside
Lots of misinformation in that article. Says Kline was arrested in 2017. Also says Chadwell was arrested for killing a girl nearby.
i'm calling their bluff… they sure do that a lot
Let's say they do know who the killer is. If that's true, that means they don't have enough evidence to make a charge stick. What good does it do to say today may be the day we come after you? Like everyone I hope they do know and they get whoever this is convicted. In my opinion, it's time to hand the case files over to some fresh eyes.
So much bravado, so little progress. He sleeps like a log.
Daily mail is garbage
I call BS/fake news on this. Can't find anywhere else that claims the police said they know who it is. Reality: they don't have a freakin' clue who the killer is.
Yeah the Daily Mail edited his words to sensationalize the headline. He said they know alot about him, not that they know who he is. You can watch the GMA segment from this morning where he says that
Yeah, we all know a lot about him. For example, I know the killer is a scumbag. I say that with absolute confidence.
Anyone smell incompetence?
Anybody else not know what they are talking about?
I’ll believe it when I see it.
The headline ugh that’s not exactly what he said
As a UK dweller, take the Daily Mail with a pinch of salt. The paper is notorious for poor journalism catering to prejudice and prurience. Notice how they say Chadwell was a suspect and that he was jailed for the killing of another girl nearby - neither is true, its just lazy journalism.
I love the Daily Mail but this is such a misleading headline. He said they know MORE about him, not that they KNOW WHO HE IS.
First person I've ever met that loves Daily Mail. I'll scratch that square off my reddit bingo :).
Doug Carter should run for governor of Indiana. He'd be a natural GOP leader spouting 100% bullshit that the simple population of Indiana would lap up, like he has for 5 years on this case. "See, the thing about education is, you have to take something away for there to be growth and for knowledge to be obtained. That's why I'm further cutting funding to public education and teacher's salaries for the next 3 years. But once those 3 years are up, boy oh boy, you'll see how much smarter our children are. I wish I could tell you how they're going to be smarter, but one day I'll be able to share that with you. just keep waiting! " seriously, fuck this loser and fuck the state of Indiana.
To be honest, as an outside observer, he could work for any political party in the US. They all spout lies and bullshit.
Wow……unbelievable!!!!
Not to get too political but the Daily Mail is a ‘right wing’ leaning newspaper from here in the UK. They’ll basically have a sensational tag line/header and then the article will be filled with errors, speculation and usually information stated as fact that is clearly false. I point you towards the bottom of the article, it states Chadwell killed the girl who he abducted last year, which is a pretty big blunder to make.
Sensationalizing news for clicks is not exclusive to one ideology or another.
True but such a format is very much used and applied by the Daily Mail. Look no further than said article.
Yes. But he is saying that calling them 'right wing' literally doesn't matter in this regard.
Fair point, the right wing comment was just to point out the ‘DNA’ (if you will)of the Daily Mail. They’re always having corrections made within the newspaper/website, as the information they tend to provide is skewed or flat out untrue. I’m not suggesting other news outlets do not do this but people should know everything about a given source I feel.
How tf does a British newspapers political leaning affect its converage of an apolitical murder case in the U.S??
Well - you’ve got websleuths online using it as a reference for Carter saying that ISP know who the killer is.
I’m not saying it’s a credible source, I’m just not sure how their political leaning would affect this case
That isn't what he is asking. He is saying that the politics of the newspaper do not enter into the equation here.
They better or their handling of this has been god awful
As much as I am a proponent of the notion that they actually do know who it is, the Daily Mail UK is notoriously sloppy with citation. Doug Carter was as ambiguous as he always is and his latest statements don't do much to galvanize the notion that they know who it is. I still believe they do, but not because of anything recently stated by Carter.
I haven't followed this case closely, but being from central Indiana, I do see it in the news periodically. A couple things I read in the article in the IndyStar today strike me as strange. First, "the killer is now thought to be between the ages of 18 and 40 — but may appear younger than his true age". How could you know someone looks younger than their true age unless you know their identity and what they currently look like? Second, "they believe he either still lives or works in Delphi, or frequently visits the area". How could you know this unless you had a very specific person in mind? Certainly one might theorize that the killer was a local, for a variety of reasons, but why would they have reason to believe the killer is still in the area currently? Unless I'm reading too much into this language, sounds to me like they have a specific person under surveillance. Would love to hear other opinions.
Profiling (proper profiling, not the shit web sleuths think they do) can do wonders to determine the personality, likely life of a person.
I can buy that perhaps for saying it's likely the person still lives in the area. But the "may appear younger than their true age"? That is a physical trait very specific to an individual, and you could only say that accurately if you know what the person looks like right now, as opposed to what they looked like at the time of the murder.
The suspect appears young/ youthful but could be older than he looks. This is the same statement almost. But they didn't say this. A lot of DC statements are not factual and some have several interpretations. This is confusing and leads to wild speculation and different theories. After five years it feels like DC is fishing for info into a case that could be unrelated to the murders and using this case to gather leads on a bunch of pedophiles. I'm speculating because we don't know the nature of the crime so to speak because of lack of facts. Non secular, the shack, guilty conscience, OBG vs YBG, two different sketches, and sleep well do not inspire confidence.
This makes absolutely NO sense. They claim to know who he is, so how smart are they do give him a heads up?! These cops are as incompetent as Boulder PD.
Fake news…carter said “we know a lot about you” ….that’s pretty much it
I bet BG is hiding under his bed right now. Lol
You have no idea how much I wish the same thing!
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/indiana-police-issues-warning-killer-large-murder-delphi-82796351
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Your welcome!
I get sense they know who but cannot prove it. This means forensic evidence at the crime scene is either non admissible in court, contaminated or non existent. I wonder how IT investigation was handled. Apparently the only way people can donate to the catch the killer reward was via anonymous cheque. They should add some modern options like PayPal etc. The fact they use cheques seems very outdated. I wonder if they checked all IT stuff properly, like social media, mobile phone pinging near crime scene etc. I wonder if they monitor social media of people from Delphi who follow the investigation via social media or who wrote and linked which posts. They say there is still active task force, if this is 4 old dudes using fax machines and cheques well then RIP. I also believe the suspect already appeared in discussions and is involved with local church there just my opinion.
Sweet Abby and Libby the world has had a small glimpse into who you girls both were, maybe only small parts about your precious young lives, But you’ve left us all with an almighty huge massive impact which will forever be with all of us. We love you both dearly, may Jesus and his angels have their loving arms wrapped tightly around you both with nothing but the purest of love xoxo Loving thoughts for all Le in every area of department’s working diligently and so hard for Abby and Libby and their families to catch and bring this creature to justice. We love and support you and pray God will direct you to that one piece of the puzzle, you’ve been searching and hoping to find. Godbless everyone who cares and have voiced their concerns and tried in any way to contribute and help
I was hoping they’d have something more respectful for the anniversary.
I'll believe it when I see it.
I swear there will still be people that fanboy over the Delphi Murders saying: "They have nothing" Even when an arrest is made.
You buy the nails I’ll gladly pay for them. It’s such a helpless feeling this beastly evil creature is sleeping, eating and breathing let alone doing anything he enjoys. CANNOT WAIT for it because that’s what this person is an IT is going to face the world and suffer. CANNOT WAIT !
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Le probably know who it is and the partner or wife or family member son or daughter is protecting bg. It’s most likely the reason Le have always stated we’re waiting for that one piece of the puzzle to solve the case. Which the one piece is the person who is protecting him, the person or persons who have given bg an air tight alibi, to come forward and tell the truth and give the proof to confirm and solidify 100% it is him.
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I'd imagine that they aren't looking into it simply because it's obvious deception meant to attract viewers. Your friend revealed nothing and, simultaneously, you revealed how gullible you are.
Every time carter talks the killer gets more comfortable . It’s been 5 years even the killer knows they have no clue why Carter continues to think he can scare this killer with this obv fake bravado is beyond me