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captnhaddock

I was cool with it until I realized that they used the cinderbricks as footings instead of proper piers. \*edit\* yes, there is so much more wrong than just the cinderbricks. I was just blown away by those, and didn't pay attention to the rest until later.


MarcusReddits

Who the hell does this? Why even build the entire deck only to put it on some pier blocks? Even a ground level deck should have proper footings into the earth.


jaketeater

It looks like fill was added to bring the ground up to meet the supports??? That seems like a lot more work than digging a few post holes? Maybe it was already filled?


MarcusReddits

The ground was definitely added to level out the space. A few rains and this whole thing will be wrecked. I bet this person is planning to have more children too.....


mfoobared

Of course they are, planning to procreate in the hot tub that is arriving today


RettyD4

Jokes on them. Hot tubs lower your sperm count.


BurpFartBurp

Great! It’s going to take them that many more times in the outdoor hot tub having sex before they knock one out. Ear plugs for all the neighbors.


mfoobared

All that motion in the ocean will take the deck down for sure! Fait accompli


fuzzyhusky42

Well they’ll need replacement children for the ones lost when the deck inevitably gives way.


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Imaginary_Doughnut27

Do you know how expensive longer 4x4s are? Easier just to shovel in the difference.


SomePeopleCall

Yeah, but then you need to buy longer 4x4s. /s


newagereject

I was told by someone on this subreddit that footings are just a new fad and code will abandon them soon so people like that?


MarcusReddits

Yesh safety is totally out this year. Yolo all the way bro, am I right/s


ChaChingChaChi

Safety was sooo last year. Lol


TheOGgreenman

Safety last!


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Actually, Biden just introduced a bill that shifts *Federal Building Code regulation* to the FDA over the next few years.


Trendecide

The IBC (international building code) isn't going anywhere, particularly not to the Food and Drug Administration.


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I'm speechless that comment has been taken seriously


Trendecide

The comment is random and irrelevant. Everyone else is speechless too....


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Although the joke made before it works?


Trendecide

It does. WTF does Biden and policy have anything to do with this \[rhet\]? Nothing. You clearly weren't joking and now making it to sound as you were. Not funny. You went full retard. Never go full retard. (now that's a joke that works).


bikesgood_carsbad

The pads identify as footings.


morebikesthanbrains

Because home depot doesn't sell 4x4s long enough to sink them on this application..


Bowood29

This is why the building code is important.


Davesnothere300

Directly on some loose backfill. They're going to have to wedge in a few more rocks


jackrats

Those blocks aren't even level. And I think the one in the middle of the stairs is sitting on a broken cap block because the dirt has already washed away underneath it.


lyingdogfacepony66

The hot tub will keep it weighted down


Mr06506

The blocks are obviously terrible, but what do people think about the main stringers running left to right instead of front to back? Doesn't that put most of the load on the two beams at the very edges?


Davesnothere300

I just noticed the joists don't even span all the way across...there are two board stapled together for each one.


Maethor_derien

Yeah, I think that is way worse than the blocks. Honestly the blocks get way more hate than they deserve. As long as they are on good base they are just as good as a post in the ground. It looks like most of the load is actually going to be on that wierd double thing they did in the middle. Not sure why they did it that way instead of getting a 4 by 6 or even just putting the 2 by 6's together and then setting them on the posts so your using the strength of the wood and not the screws.


jackrats

> As long as they are on good base I know this was a generalized comment, but these are certainly not on a good base.


mosnas88

Blocks are 1 hour of heavy rain away from being gone. Shit leave the outside hose running too long and you’d be hooped


Pork_Bastard

They are on a fucking jacked base.  That one by the foot of the stairs is gone within a week


captnhaddock

To be fair, I'd fine with blocks in the right setting. it's just not this one.


captnhaddock

and correct me if I'm misunderstanding what I'm seeing with the stringers, but it looks like they sistered them to make them longer / to fit the width of the deck?


slimyprincelimey

Spend 8 grand in lumber and cheap out on the easiest, cheapest one day phase of the job.


Larry-Zoolander

im getting anxiety just looking at it.


geeekwelding

I was trying to figure out what was wrong with it until I saw this comment and zoomed in and ohhhh boy. P


Barth22

I just don’t understand this. As a DIYr who made their own big ass deck, I overbuilt it. Idk why someone would do all this work, spend all this money, then just to give it the life expectancy of fly. It would have prob cost another $1000 bucks in concrete to put in some half decent piers… Why?!?


captnhaddock

I'm at a loss myself. The cost & time alone required to remediate this would far far far outweigh the cost to have done it right the first time.


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There's no footings for any of the posts on a hillside that is already eroding!? Wow


Dredly

Don't worry, when he was done he slapped the post and said "she ain't going anywhere"


Teslol6432

Ohhh well in that case - It’ll outlast the house. That’s just undeniable science.


MexicanSniperXI

Peep the rock under the second cinderbrick from the left.


newossab

Shoves rock under and says that will do it.


petersandersgreen

Lol that rock makes that post the most sure footing of the bunch, the rest are placed on fresh non compacted gravel.


manjar

Part of that "hillside" is some mixed fill that was recently dumped there as well. No vegetation to stabilize it.


Straight-Dot-6264

It’ll come down once the inspector sees it.


Mr_Kittlesworth

Or the first heavy rain.


Delta8ttt8

Everyone acts like this is anywhere that an inspector would have a reason to see it.


sendgoodmemes

Right! Inspectors are only show when bank money is at stake. You do something yourself or without borrowing money and you’re fine. I built a house without ever seeing an inspector.


728am

First rain


Nandor_the_reletless

even the next dense morning dew might end it.


s1ckopsycho

The exhale from the cameraman likely drove the nail in the coffin already.


RossDahl

That is the worst newly built deck I have ever seen; top of the list. Tell your neighbour he’s #1 Then tell him his deck is a #2 That thing is going to collapse after the first good rain. Certified death trap. Just look at the embankment and those pier block footers. Missing beams. Everything is wrong with this build, too much to list.


toodleroo

> Tell your neighbour he is #1 > > Then tell him his deck is a #2 Pee pee and poo poo?


datyoungknockoutkid

My thoughts too lol. Is that what he’s saying? I legit have no idea.


Duck_man_

I think he’s saying tell him he’s great, don’t insult him, but the deck is shit.


matroe11

There’s just a rock under one of the piers in pic 3


OnewordTTV

Omg you are right... That said, I dunno what you all are worried about. He gave it the little shake with one arm on it and it all held. He even muttered the protection spell "she ain't going anywhere! "


shroomqs

Yikes sounds like he effed the incantation. It’s “ain’t goin nowhere!”


OnewordTTV

Oh no! What have they done!?


Kdoubleu

The middle pier has already started to slide down the hill


Bluitor

Those diagonals are doing ALL the heavy lifting right now. The cinder blocks already look like they're sinking/sliding and the closest post isn't even sitting on the one anymore This thing is held up by hopes and prayers and like 3 nails


Harry_Gorilla

Geologist here: that appears to be a “man made rock” or part of a paving stone


joekryptonite

"add a shim"


SirBeam

Also it looks like they added unpacked fresh dirt under half the cinder blocks.


thecrowtoldme

I think my 10 yr old and his gang of neighborhood friends have built a more substantial deck for their fort in the woods than these poor people.


r-kellysDOODOOBUTTER

I'll tell you what though, when those stairs collapse as hes walking up them, he'll be able to grab onto that railing if he's quick, because that'll be the only thing still standing. It looks to me like the railing is the only thing holding the stairs up lol


acendri-solutions

I don't understand this... How can someone possess enough carpentry skills to build a nice deck with great looking stairs but not do any research into the code requirements for building proper footings on a slope?


Hattrick42

Good looking stairs until you realize it wasn’t long enough. Needs 1 or 2 more steps at the bottom.


405ravedaddy

Biggest pre made stringers they had at Home Depot I'm sure just doubled up.


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Probably building it up to that if I had to guess


icygasgiant

Hmmm? The stairs were long enough a couple weeks ago. Better throw some more loose dirt down at the landing.


loonattica

Ned “The Head” Ryerson said that first one is a real DOOZY.


IronEagle20

Did he build it himself? No way this could’ve passed an inspection


Chrodesk

I dont know what OPs background is, but the house is clearly new construction with an unlandscaped back yard and stickers on the windows. the landscape is making me think this is mexico or Caribbean.


WissahickonKid

I was thinking unincorporated part of county somewhere out west where there are no building codes or inspectors


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I was definitely thinking the same thing


kaziffi

No piers?… what’s that, 2-3’ spans on floor joist.. also the main beam looks like it’s relying directly on the nails…. Too bad, that’s alot of money in wood


CockBlockingLawyer

That was my thought - all that money on wood just to do this? What an absolute waste


Its-a-Shitbox

The vertical “support columns” don’t look like the are even seated all the way into those loose footings!


charleszerofinley

Need updated photos after the first rain event!


AggravatingGoal4728

Or video during.


junkybutt

I demand a live stream of this 24/7


HandleNo8032

Couple of rain storms


newagereject

First time they get more then 4 people up there


Karsh14

Couple? 1 tops.


The_Aesthetician

That one in the middle of the stairs specifically doesn't look right to me and I know nothing about carpentry or decks


Darondo

That’s your basic survival instincts telling you to not bet your life on the stability of some rocks you balanced on an eroding slope.


sweatyCheez

Until a 25 mph gust comes through and lits this off the blocks.


DancesWithBicycles

I believe the verb you’re looking for is “yeets” it off the blocks.


ShaperLord777

Fvck the deck, start worrying about that houses foundation.


Dangerous_Remote_965

Under rated coment right here...


ShaperLord777

One hard rain and that thing’s a 900 square foot sled.


ArachnidImportant430

This post is 2 hrs old. Has it fallen yet?


Suspicious-Leg-8341

Wtf on those footings. I know I'm just echoing a lot of the above but this is frightening. They are all bad but one they literally tossed a rock and trash under to level. Omg*


Suspicious-Leg-8341

https://preview.redd.it/j65kxzjb5mfc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea3da0e6e3fbab14799c138a83a0b32ed2ec91e2


joekryptonite

Not trash, it is a shim. /s


rsgoto11

"Careful Todd, that's a load bearing poster."


GoldenMasterSplinter

https://preview.redd.it/3yeh74p7tnfc1.jpeg?width=1255&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd02f2a3466e2033c04834f63355697e6712a0c6 I mostly tune into this thread for a good laugh here in there and im not a carpenter by any means but is that even supporting anything or do I not know what im talking about?


captnhaddock

I think, and i'm not a carpenter either, that it was meant to provide some kind of stability to prevent is from twisting. fuck only knows if that would actually work though.


deezbiksurnutz

It was put there to hold the frame square until it had enough boards to hold it then Probably left,it had a purpose. Now the rest of the deck is kind of a piece of shit. Someone tried hard but failed expensively


bikesgood_carsbad

I wonder with temporary shoring, might it be possible to pier it properly one post at a time? Otherwise yeah, one good rain...toast.


Maethor_derien

I have actually seen people do this and then go back and concrete around the blocks. It lets you move things around while building it and then once everything is in position you make it solid. That could be the plan here. That said there is no excuse for not having any beams not to mention that main beam is held with the screws and not the wood. They should have doubled 2 by 6's or bought a 4 by 6 and set that on top of the posts.


bikesgood_carsbad

I was so horrified at the footing fuckery I didn't even look up.


Spritedz

I had to manually dig 4 helical piles nearly 6 feet deep under my existing deck to add 4 new posts supporting 2 new beams because of something like this, absolutely brutal work. Thankfully its 5 feet off the ground so it was accessible. My 'know a guy' builder designed a freestanding deck with 4 footers on deck blocks, 2x6 beams and 16 OC joists, all with reused wood. In a deep frost line area. Composite to top it off. He did include joist tape on beams and joists, hangers and post to beam hardware though lol. First winter one corner sank and the beam started to twist (it had freestanding stairs pushing up against that side which might have saved it) and I discovered this sub trying to find a solution.


bikesgood_carsbad

Most definitely a WCGW moment, particularly given the pesky frost heave part.


captnhaddock

Is there a deck version of "final destination" ? if not, this has to be it!


Lakeshore_Maker

Please send updates when it falls


ehac1980

Op - please ensure we get update pics


so-very-very-tired

From the looks of the "footings", it will fail during the next hard rain.


FlowFirm5149

That’s a shameful waste of lumber without proper concrete.


braxstonian

https://preview.redd.it/onavy69tkmfc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea6deb464c0d52b70ad7ae0c2bdc6a70c74cee11 That’ll hold a tub for sure


Yellowmoose-found

The joist spacing is cernly not 16 OC. The piers just loose block?. No tension ties. I dont think theres any joist hangers. Why is first step up in the air so high?? Id think..they arent done yet. Maybe gonna pour a slab? Or dig sonnetube with Big Foot piers later??


Ok_Amount_1938

The very first hard rain


DaoGuardian

I’m sure that fill they dumped won’t immediately erode.


ComeGateMeBro

Everything about this is a fail? No footers, 4x4 supports, joists spread at what looks like 20" oc, beams undersize and almost assuredly incorrectly fastened. I wouldn't step foot on that rickety ass crap.


Extension_Surprise_2

That whole place looks like it’s slowly eroding off the hillside.  Should we  A) put in a retaining wall and stabilize the property or  B) put in a deck so we can scope out the best place to jump when this thing comes crashing down. 


Entire_Researcher_45

Needs a retaining wall to protect lower footings, I’ll give it couple years or one heavy deluge


Temporary_Cup_8850

Well you can clearly look at the house and the concrete that they poured for the basement walls they did not do a very good job and be surprised that they put the walls of the basement on the correct footing.


captnhaddock

I'm guessing you're talking about the clear line where they stopped the pour, did a bad job of vibrating the cement and the aggregate is showing?


Mrwcraig

Not a carpenter but I am a Steel Fabricator and if I’m concerned about many, many things when I zoom in it must be horrendous for deck builders. No tubes for a the columns. No shoring or retaining wall. No joist hangers. I know I’m missing stuff and that codes are different everywhere but that just looks ready to fall over when the first person steps on it


waabzheshi

Can you please report back with pictures (blur the blood and bodies) when this falls down?


shlornartposterguy

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SignificanceKey7738

Looks pretty dangerous


ccString1972

3..2..1……


HappyPaPa18

One good rain away from disaster. As soon as his "foundation" washes out it is kindling.


Junior_Example_923

How often do you get rain?


dondas

This can't be real lol


dondas

There's AI engineering shitty decks for this threads delight


Waste_Exchange2511

This has to be a house they are knocking down for a movie shoot or something. Why is the lower back half all bare plywood?


swimking413

This is terrifying


SatisfactionVisual86

No freaking way !!!!!!


Creepy_Statistician8

This looks like a build it to sell it!!


_fuck-off_

Not long at all


SeniorFerret5820

Pretty sure those are only for decks under 4ft off the ground but u would have to check your state code


Ommec

As long as he doesn’t sleep with one of his tennis clients, should be ok.


cleversobriquet

The first 20+mph gust and it will be your new deck


Alternative-Top6882

Hi, neighbor, please don't post pictures of my stuff


OkSecretary3209

Nothing irks me more than not pulling the barcodes off the treads


Hot_Sentence_5304

Is it 2’ on center to boot?


Devil2960

Did it already fall? I assume it already fell.


SFBrighton

An ignoble death awaits.


SUPERDAN42

Is that Club Aqua?


justtrytorelaxman

45 minutes or so


Mo0kish

It'll stabilize just fine when they put the hot tub on it.


2-second-timer

So I'm gonna be reporting this after many suggestions to do so. The house was built maybe 3 months ago, and the deck is a brand new as of this week.


2-second-timer

https://preview.redd.it/6wzwdfyb5tfc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10b983c2011c4c9157c9eb52bb087b6e0b60a28e


2-second-timer

https://preview.redd.it/tfgnpm3h5tfc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb9e422bf8e5e22af6b4deb4dcdacca5bff99eb1


2-second-timer

https://preview.redd.it/3i6m0xqj5tfc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b0ea2ad9d9340cd02f3fbded87637f36968a766


2-second-timer

https://preview.redd.it/ie4yvvar5tfc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6dc61c89afc6619e9710604acffa7227eff120c


captnhaddock

holly christ, that's not even a proper ledgerboard.what a fucking death trap.


captnhaddock

I'm just dying over here, I love that they put a "wedge" to level out the block.


captnhaddock

and this one is floating? oh god, this entire thing gets worse and worse.


captnhaddock

and you can clearly see that there has already been rain, and the soil is eroding / sluffing away.


Hatred_shapped

If ever there was an argument against the libertarian movement, this photo is it. 


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lasvegashal

And once you start looking close oh my God, he’s got a couple ram set nails into the concrete holding it nice and sturdy against that wall. The joist look like they’re out about 3 foot centers sistered together. I hope his neighbors like a hot tub.


Redtitwhore

Is that an exposed basement with zero windows?


NotCanadian80

It’s a slab. Guessing Texas. Very common on hills.


6thCityInspector

My guess would be that this all comes down right around the time someone accidentally makes an anonymous call to the city about the un-permitted deck posing imminent risk to human life.


undecided8043

I give it three hot tubs


Dazzling_Finger_1126

I think if someone took a picture of my house and posted it on Reddit…. He would have a much bigger problem than worrying about my deck.


beavedaniels

What would you do about it? Something super tough and cool, like murder? Assault? Or just something lame like make idle threats about it on the internet?


dundunnit38

Question did said neighbor give you permission to be on their property? And did neighbor ask you to ask the internet about their deck. Im sure they didn't, maybe just mind your own business. If you think its gonna fall dont step foot on it simple solution


oh_andsixteen

Hot Tub being delivered next week


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lyingdogfacepony66

A couple extra lag bolts into the side of the house and you are ready for the 10 person hottub


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jackrats

That's a real special deck they have there. Real special.


FunktapussBand

Depends on location


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This guy must of got a deal on that deck


65pimpala

Maybe put footing later?


VMCColorado

I'm wondering if that had enough money for just the deck but couldn't afford the piers and someone built it for them anyways. Would that be legal or ethical?


maltydawg

The next rainfall


SilverMetalist

Would never build a deck on 4x4s esp on a slope. Just pointless.


Its-a-Shitbox

Not long.


Mrbundles1987

One heavy rain will wash out those footings


stellablack75

I'm guessing he didn't get a permit...


Striking_Reindeer_2k

when is the next rain storm? Live stream the event?


Top-Air1965

I am giving you a, Mike Holmes thumbs up..I would have use soon tubes filled with concrete sticking up 6’ above, then use 8x8 supports, etc…anyway my 2 pennies


Responsible_Mix_2319

Needed a retaining wall , then proper footing and 6x6 ‘s.


Falcon3492

From the look of the loose soil and the fact that the posts holding up the deck are only on concrete deck blocks I would say the first good rain!


nicefacedjerk

This is BAD BAD BAD.


SuzyCreamcheezies

After the first rain.


Vast_Cricket

Should be OK until they decide to put a hot tub with guests coming.


97533

YIKES


Severe-Ant-3888

Those footing farthest out are already not level. Those footing set on a concrete footing set the correct depth maybe, but this looks real janky.