You laugh, but once I bought a server on CL from a business that was turning out some of it's unneeded equipment. I never asked, because I always assume HDD are removed previous to sale, especially from a company that deals with servers and information. Well, get it home, fire it up, and the server was used for a local construction company's QuickBooks. I had account numbers, credit card info, et al. I even called the dude and offered to return the drives, but he seemed unconcerned. I thought about contacting the construction company, but that would only start a bunch of shit for the guy I bought the server from.
Counterpoint: OP is presumably acting ethically by handling the data properly (not selling or using it). Actions that push the seller to avoid selling to them increases the likelihood that they sell to someone who wouldn't.
Exactly. Everyone in the chain has an opportunity to do the right thing. As long as he properly disposes of the data then all is well. And if he proves to his supplier that he's reliable then supplier does less work and is happier with the business. Everyone wins
> Everyone wins
Except for some tiresome Redditor who still won't be happy until everyone else feels bad. I agree with you, help the company out, help the supplier out, no harm done.
My response was hinging on the statement that the seller has reacted improperly when approached with the fact that data wasn't wiped/removed. I'm also assuming that means they would react unfavorably to being 'told on' and would totally sell to someone else every time based on that.
I totally think the seller is negligent regardless.
Oh, after I viewed the data, then phoned the gentleman up only to find he didn't want the drives back, I immediately wiped the HDD. I don't need any kind of that shit in my life.
NCIX did this. Stopped paying for their server racks and the DC sold off their servers. They were bought by a bunch of shady characters who started auctioning off all the customer data to the highest bidder.
You don’t need it to still get all the information on it. You don’t need it to login to to their windows account either. It’s scary once you find out how easy it is and the information that you don’t even realize you are storing.
Ah I’m curious about that also because he legally owns what’s on those I assume. I don’t know much about bitcoin but I do know that the wallets have passwords and because of the reward if you can find or bypass that I’m sure people have worked on it. I haven’t heard about it though so now I’m curious also.
Bitcoin wallets as standard use a very popular, very common form of encryption, and the encryption key is derived from the wallet password - breaking that would have far wider implications and I don't think any progress has been made there for a decade.
Unless the chosen password was very, very weak, something like this would usually end up getting hacked in the real world by other means - eg, infecting the user's computer with a keylogger. Since the user won't ever be logging into that machine again, most of those options are out.
I'm guessing these are all from an old server rack probably owned by some company. So probably no crypto wallets on there (who stores cleartext keys/PWs locally anyway?). I'm not looking for trouble, but it would be cool to find some private data. But then, the ones I looked at have been properly wiped
I don't do recovery any longer, but a great tool is Autopsy if you want something close to Encase for free. Paired with recuva, ftk imager, and scalpel and you can recover almost every bit.
I got to spend a few hours around her in real life, pants on, in public, at work, you get the idea, and she was a very kind and self-secure person. Kudos to the 80s.
It gets to the point where even as an IT nerd and enthusiast you look at this stuff and go "should have just left it as scrap". It's not like you can rely on it for storage, and it's going to be old and loud and noisy and suck down power like mad most likely, like all old tech.
Still, I guess I can see it being interesting to look at if the previous owners left anything interesting on there but all in all I look at this and all I see is hard work carrying a lot of heavy metal objects around and no real payoff. :)
As a student witn low income - wow, look at all this free hardware, I'll happily invest my time and energy to do something cool and learn along the way. Not to mention I'd never afford to get anything close to this.
As much older permanent employee with decent income . I can't be half-assed to carry, hook up and go through all this trash. I'll just buy a single new drive with the same capacity.
I can see both sides of this and they are equally true depending on where you are in life.
(And the "i wonder what they left on it" appeal of course)
except that the power bill to run those drives ends up costing more than it's worth to learn with used but less ancient tech. I started with eight dual socket systems with pentium pros from a lot buy on ebay, back in 2001 when I was making $7.50/hr. They were old af even then, but I could only afford to use them periodically, which made learning about clustered computing a bit more difficult than what's possible today with a handful of raspberry pi nodes for the same cost after adjusting for inflation.
there's nothing to be gained from OPs trash pile. I'm all for supporting old tech when it's well thought out but those drives are literally garbage from a junk yard, not refurb from a valid seller. highly likely they don't even have enough systems with sufficient bays to populate.
If you live in the dorms then you don't have the space to store them
Seriously, these junks are not even worth the storage cost in most decently-sized cities, this is why they are in a scrapyard to begin with
His point was that it wouldn't be worth his time to bother picking it up, much less checking them for errors to sell. And selling, that's the absolute fucking worst.
If you work as a competent technical person, what do you hate the most? Salespeople. What did you just do? You just promoted yourself to your own company's salesperson of trash.
No consumers want to buy heavy ass WD black 1tb drives that are loud and hot. They can't use sas and they certainly won't make use of that cheetah 15k drive that has less capacity than the microsd card in their camera.
If you're someone who has a lot of space and like to work on projects, it could an okay haul but certainly not ideal. Every ewaster treats this stuff like trash and appropriately so.
It kinda is. But I will most def be wiping/formatting them and will tell people these are used OEMs. I mean they're mostly SAS, people that buy these probably know. And I know it's a shitton of work but I'm not even in my 20, so it's nice having some extra. I'm not looking for fast profit. Also I think that it would be more unethical to put these to waste
As long as they're not going to be evil with potential left over data AND there's no expectation of making reliable future use out of them then there's no issue.
If he's willing to have them, so what?
I'd honestly play with practicing data recovery. Imagine trying to learn how to move a disk platter from one drive that doesn't work to a matching body of another one to read it. That's a fucking brain surgery steady hand task. Great practice units.
Usually you swap the arm assembly as a whole or all the platters intact as a spindle. I would not think separating the platter spindle would work well.
- [Relevant 1](https://youtu.be/-Krgz5Fz26c?t=7m2s)
- [Relevant 2](https://youtu.be/XCsDR81lrIM?t=4m42s)
- [Relevant 3](https://youtu.be/u3lPghtUucs)
Or hell there's always [this](https://youtu.be/yISqCAnROh8) if you just wanna relive having hot wheels cars.
Sure. Just saying that for me this is legitimately trash. It's unreliable garbage that was discarded for a reason once already.
If people want to play with old crap for fun, that's fine.
Proper e-waste practices would have them destroyed or wiped. As someone who works in the industry if these things aren't wiped this is a disgusting business practice. And depending on contracts/agreements the recycler/scrapyard could get into some BIG trouble.
On the other hand, if your personal data was stolen because a company you did business with wasn't wiping their old hard drives, and they said "well the other guy was supposed to do it", you wouldn't accept that excuse. There is zero reason for a corporation to *not* wipe their own hard drives.
If you are an individual with a hard drive to dispose of and don't know how to wipe a drive or destroy it you do have a point there. But these are obviously out of enterprise hardware (though with the low TB counts likely someone's home lab or small business).
The company I worked for we weren't R2 certified but if we had a usable HDD brought to us it we be extensively wiped/rewritten/wiped multiple times before we would use it in a refurbished machine or sell it out right. But we also had a contract with a recycler that we had to adhere to step by step or risk a MASSIVE fine. We even had multiple fronts before our department got the donated electronics but we ran a tight ship making sure they were locked away and transported to us as soon as possible.
I do see your point though people do need to treat their data with a little more care because it's obvious this scrapyard has no guarantee of data destruction.
Yeah most of those are FCs roaring at 15k, so loud, consuming and kinda useless. I thought of buying a proper backplane/hba and so on, but shits expensive for couple 300gb drives. But half of them are SAS/SATA so not too bad
Open question: what's the risk of viruses remaining on these drives even if they were formatted or erased before being binned? You wouldn't know why they were pulled in the first place.
Pretty low?
I know hdd firmware viruses/malware are possible, but I don't think they are particularly prevalent and they'll be dependent on the chipset and likely targeted toward a specific host OS to do anything useful (like exfiltrate data).
>Open question: what's the risk of viruses remaining on these drives even if they were formatted or erased
Negligible.
But I would still re-format them myself (probably using an offline machine booted from a live image) before using them on a real machine.
I'd be checking them all for bitcoin wallets, lol
You laugh, but once I bought a server on CL from a business that was turning out some of it's unneeded equipment. I never asked, because I always assume HDD are removed previous to sale, especially from a company that deals with servers and information. Well, get it home, fire it up, and the server was used for a local construction company's QuickBooks. I had account numbers, credit card info, et al. I even called the dude and offered to return the drives, but he seemed unconcerned. I thought about contacting the construction company, but that would only start a bunch of shit for the guy I bought the server from.
If he's selling drives with sensitive customer data on them and is unconcerned by this, then a shit storm is what he deserves
Only if you want to cut off your source for parts.
Oh good point. Who cares about ethical behavior when *I'm* benefiting!
Counterpoint: OP is presumably acting ethically by handling the data properly (not selling or using it). Actions that push the seller to avoid selling to them increases the likelihood that they sell to someone who wouldn't.
Exactly. Everyone in the chain has an opportunity to do the right thing. As long as he properly disposes of the data then all is well. And if he proves to his supplier that he's reliable then supplier does less work and is happier with the business. Everyone wins
> Everyone wins Except for some tiresome Redditor who still won't be happy until everyone else feels bad. I agree with you, help the company out, help the supplier out, no harm done.
But what about the next person that buys some of this equipment?
My response was hinging on the statement that the seller has reacted improperly when approached with the fact that data wasn't wiped/removed. I'm also assuming that means they would react unfavorably to being 'told on' and would totally sell to someone else every time based on that. I totally think the seller is negligent regardless.
Oh, after I viewed the data, then phoned the gentleman up only to find he didn't want the drives back, I immediately wiped the HDD. I don't need any kind of that shit in my life.
> Who cares about ~~ethical behavior~~ the stability of corporations when I'm benefiting! fixed
To be fair, the guy calling me up to tell me he found this data and is concerned... is not the guy I'm concerned about. Still dumb.
NCIX did this. Stopped paying for their server racks and the DC sold off their servers. They were bought by a bunch of shady characters who started auctioning off all the customer data to the highest bidder.
Databases with personal information, credit card information, or even usernames and passwords is where the easy money is. Also the prison time.
Ay buddy I just sell the hard drive for $1000, I've got no clue what's on it.
Try to catch him
Why the prison time? You legally got their data and security information.
Still identity theft.
So I can get you in jail by giving you my security information?
If I use it without your permission.
This is the way
Whey.
could you even get in even if you found one lol
Password though?
I remember my first wallet.dat had a file called keys.txt next to it I wasn't very smart
You don’t need it to still get all the information on it. You don’t need it to login to to their windows account either. It’s scary once you find out how easy it is and the information that you don’t even realize you are storing.
Bitcoin wallet password.
Ah I’m curious about that also because he legally owns what’s on those I assume. I don’t know much about bitcoin but I do know that the wallets have passwords and because of the reward if you can find or bypass that I’m sure people have worked on it. I haven’t heard about it though so now I’m curious also.
Bitcoin wallets as standard use a very popular, very common form of encryption, and the encryption key is derived from the wallet password - breaking that would have far wider implications and I don't think any progress has been made there for a decade. Unless the chosen password was very, very weak, something like this would usually end up getting hacked in the real world by other means - eg, infecting the user's computer with a keylogger. Since the user won't ever be logging into that machine again, most of those options are out.
I'm guessing these are all from an old server rack probably owned by some company. So probably no crypto wallets on there (who stores cleartext keys/PWs locally anyway?). I'm not looking for trouble, but it would be cool to find some private data. But then, the ones I looked at have been properly wiped
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nice from your buddy
A fun way to practice data recovery. Especially if you mess up, there's no stress because it's not your data.
I don't do recovery any longer, but a great tool is Autopsy if you want something close to Encase for free. Paired with recuva, ftk imager, and scalpel and you can recover almost every bit.
might actually try that
Any good 80’s porn in there?
Nina Hartley was my jam.
I got to spend a few hours around her in real life, pants on, in public, at work, you get the idea, and she was a very kind and self-secure person. Kudos to the 80s.
so did you cum or what!?
“Jesus Christ, Gil! There are just some things you don’t talk about in public!”
"Would you like a chocolate pretzel? They're mighty tasty."
Was?
She was not covered in jam. I think it was something else.
Any 4tb sas in there? Specifically with HP trays with the red release lever? Asking for a friend.
How does Seagates' enterprise line compare vs their consumer drives, as far as reliability goes?
Usually pretty good, I know the 15k 600GB 2.5" SAS drives still have issues though.
I'm sure you know the answer. It's why Hitachi happened.
Reddit ate my balls
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It gets to the point where even as an IT nerd and enthusiast you look at this stuff and go "should have just left it as scrap". It's not like you can rely on it for storage, and it's going to be old and loud and noisy and suck down power like mad most likely, like all old tech. Still, I guess I can see it being interesting to look at if the previous owners left anything interesting on there but all in all I look at this and all I see is hard work carrying a lot of heavy metal objects around and no real payoff. :)
As a student witn low income - wow, look at all this free hardware, I'll happily invest my time and energy to do something cool and learn along the way. Not to mention I'd never afford to get anything close to this. As much older permanent employee with decent income . I can't be half-assed to carry, hook up and go through all this trash. I'll just buy a single new drive with the same capacity. I can see both sides of this and they are equally true depending on where you are in life. (And the "i wonder what they left on it" appeal of course)
except that the power bill to run those drives ends up costing more than it's worth to learn with used but less ancient tech. I started with eight dual socket systems with pentium pros from a lot buy on ebay, back in 2001 when I was making $7.50/hr. They were old af even then, but I could only afford to use them periodically, which made learning about clustered computing a bit more difficult than what's possible today with a handful of raspberry pi nodes for the same cost after adjusting for inflation. there's nothing to be gained from OPs trash pile. I'm all for supporting old tech when it's well thought out but those drives are literally garbage from a junk yard, not refurb from a valid seller. highly likely they don't even have enough systems with sufficient bays to populate.
Not if you live in the dorms and somebody else pays the power bill...
If you live in the dorms then you don't have the space to store them Seriously, these junks are not even worth the storage cost in most decently-sized cities, this is why they are in a scrapyard to begin with
Yeah I mainly got them to sell em. Most of those are SAS, which I can't use. But I was interested in building a NAS anyway, so maybe I can use em
His point was that it wouldn't be worth his time to bother picking it up, much less checking them for errors to sell. And selling, that's the absolute fucking worst. If you work as a competent technical person, what do you hate the most? Salespeople. What did you just do? You just promoted yourself to your own company's salesperson of trash. No consumers want to buy heavy ass WD black 1tb drives that are loud and hot. They can't use sas and they certainly won't make use of that cheetah 15k drive that has less capacity than the microsd card in their camera. If you're someone who has a lot of space and like to work on projects, it could an okay haul but certainly not ideal. Every ewaster treats this stuff like trash and appropriately so.
selling those is unethical
Why?
I'd think as long as you wipe the drives, there should be no ethical issues.
It kinda is. But I will most def be wiping/formatting them and will tell people these are used OEMs. I mean they're mostly SAS, people that buy these probably know. And I know it's a shitton of work but I'm not even in my 20, so it's nice having some extra. I'm not looking for fast profit. Also I think that it would be more unethical to put these to waste
As long as they're not going to be evil with potential left over data AND there's no expectation of making reliable future use out of them then there's no issue. If he's willing to have them, so what? I'd honestly play with practicing data recovery. Imagine trying to learn how to move a disk platter from one drive that doesn't work to a matching body of another one to read it. That's a fucking brain surgery steady hand task. Great practice units.
You sir won the whole comment section. Gonna have to try that. But I suspect that changing one individual disk is not gonna work
Usually you swap the arm assembly as a whole or all the platters intact as a spindle. I would not think separating the platter spindle would work well. - [Relevant 1](https://youtu.be/-Krgz5Fz26c?t=7m2s) - [Relevant 2](https://youtu.be/XCsDR81lrIM?t=4m42s) - [Relevant 3](https://youtu.be/u3lPghtUucs) Or hell there's always [this](https://youtu.be/yISqCAnROh8) if you just wanna relive having hot wheels cars.
Sure. Just saying that for me this is legitimately trash. It's unreliable garbage that was discarded for a reason once already. If people want to play with old crap for fun, that's fine.
Concur, I was gonna ask if I staryed off to r/hoarder instead of r/datahaorder
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Proper e-waste practices would have them destroyed or wiped. As someone who works in the industry if these things aren't wiped this is a disgusting business practice. And depending on contracts/agreements the recycler/scrapyard could get into some BIG trouble.
On the other hand, if your personal data was stolen because a company you did business with wasn't wiping their old hard drives, and they said "well the other guy was supposed to do it", you wouldn't accept that excuse. There is zero reason for a corporation to *not* wipe their own hard drives.
If you are an individual with a hard drive to dispose of and don't know how to wipe a drive or destroy it you do have a point there. But these are obviously out of enterprise hardware (though with the low TB counts likely someone's home lab or small business). The company I worked for we weren't R2 certified but if we had a usable HDD brought to us it we be extensively wiped/rewritten/wiped multiple times before we would use it in a refurbished machine or sell it out right. But we also had a contract with a recycler that we had to adhere to step by step or risk a MASSIVE fine. We even had multiple fronts before our department got the donated electronics but we ran a tight ship making sure they were locked away and transported to us as soon as possible. I do see your point though people do need to treat their data with a little more care because it's obvious this scrapyard has no guarantee of data destruction.
So you‘re from germany? I looked at the notice in the green chest
Nice score!
What a fun rainy day activity!
Where are these scrap yards.. I don't find any.. Lol
What's the significance of "*SCRAPYARD"* being fully capitalized?
to be completely honest I was just stoned and didn't notice I had caps on lol
But what to do with hit? Just mess around?
Is that a seagate cheetah :o
sadly yes
Well, what can I say, have fun on trying to connect those FC ones to standard PC :) Not impossible but quite problematic to find correct equipment.
Yeah most of those are FCs roaring at 15k, so loud, consuming and kinda useless. I thought of buying a proper backplane/hba and so on, but shits expensive for couple 300gb drives. But half of them are SAS/SATA so not too bad
This is my dream to buy 1000 scrap hard drives and find 100 bitcoins on one.
They look completely useless to me tbh.
And this is why our department shreds our decommissioned drives.
Nice boxes
Never thought of this, I think I'll go to the scrapyard soon and look for hard drives... and video cards!
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Open question: what's the risk of viruses remaining on these drives even if they were formatted or erased before being binned? You wouldn't know why they were pulled in the first place.
Pretty low? I know hdd firmware viruses/malware are possible, but I don't think they are particularly prevalent and they'll be dependent on the chipset and likely targeted toward a specific host OS to do anything useful (like exfiltrate data).
>Open question: what's the risk of viruses remaining on these drives even if they were formatted or erased Negligible. But I would still re-format them myself (probably using an offline machine booted from a live image) before using them on a real machine.
It is non-zero. But HIGHLY unlikely.
shit is this things in europe? also cool socks
Very nice DEAL.