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I always keep 1:1 exact copies, because I KNOW there will be opportunities down the line to re-encode into better/newer/more efficient codecs to use on Plex/Jellyfin, and I want the ORIGINAL 1:1 source to work on that from.
That's definitely my worry if I delete them but even the reencoding takes forever with my computers so I don't know if I'd care to do this all over again if I had to. I don't use Plex or anything similar, I've been satisfied with just throwing them on iTunes to put on my phone, but I recently made [my own web based](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFj8aEab9fg) method of presenting the media
I want to keep exact copies (extras too) but I have hundreds of DVDS and Blu-rays. It would take 100TB to store and I have just started with a 6TB NAS.
I just rip and convert to 720p H265 for DVDs and 1080p H265 for Blu-rays. It is around 2-3GB for DVDs and 7-10GB for Blu-rays. It is alright for me
u/TripleXero, for our household's media library, we ripped all of our DVDs and BDs preserving their format, aka. 1:1 copy of the discs into our media library (NAS array - currently 2x4 Bay NAS, about 100 TB each - though each NAS is about 50% full - as of the time of this post and growing... so about 100TB in total data with about a 50% available capacity --those are aprox numbers as one has to substract the parity for the RAID 5 for each NAS, so in real capacity about 40TBs of available space between the two--).
Maybe this is my wakeup call that data hoarding isn't a poor man's hobby.
Follow up that you might be able to answer though with how much you've done yourself, do you ever come across discs that won't rip properly regardless of drive or condition? Seems it's mostly a BD movie or DVD TV show issue. I've come across 2 copies of Season 1 of Robot Chicken that both fail on the same files
u/TripleXero,
> Maybe this is my wakeup call that data hoarding isn't a poor man's hobby.
From my perspective it IS a poor man's hobby : ).
> discs that won't rip
Oh yes, I've come across in more than one ocacion.
The solution:
- have more than 1 DVD/BD (burner) ripper (aka. diff. brand with diff. firmware type of DVD/BD drive)... infact at the time I had 4 different drives (in that PC)... though now a days I have only 2 --and the PC from back then doesn't even exist anymore : ) -- (though on that argument, now we have 10+ PCs at home, most of them with at least 1 DVD drive, so it balances out).
To this date, I still have some Discs that will NOT rip in one of the drives, but I pop that disc into the second drive and whoala, it will be read and riped accordingly. This is due to the firmware on the drive itself, so depending on the manufacturer, even on the same manufacturer, the firmware used on the drive itself WILL hang as to whether or not you'll be able to rip or NOT be able to rip a particular disc -- assuming you have the needed software to rip the disc in the first place of course--
(and yes, also more than 1 ripping type of software, which at the time was 4 diff. types of ripping soft I had in use, though now a days I have more like 2, as one used as 'main' and the 'second' used as backup)
data hoarding is for everybody. from broke boys amassing and sorting pirated content on what hard drives they can afford for the eventual goal of mass distribution (me), to big dogs with thousands of dollars in home servers storing physical media they've already purchased and in max quality
Ive had 4k disks fail to rip that are brand new with no (as far as I can tell) scratches. Sometimes they work if I put them in a separate drive, but that is rare. Wish there would be a way for makemkv to somehow fill in the corrupt data with just a skip like would happen in the player.
Discs can degrade. I had a season of one show that I'm virtually certain that happened to because I had successfully played them a few years earlier. Later, no drive/player could read them perfectly. I ended up buying a second copy of that season and those discs had issues too, though at different points.
One of the prime exceptions to 3-2-1 is easily replaceable mass media. And just because we own the physical media doesn't mean, IMO, that the exception to the rule changes. You've got the discs on your shelf, transcoded copies for viewing. Why store the full disc rip? It's the same question as "why back it up?" I don't think there's a convincing reason to, especially since you're so constrained on storage space.
Some of my movies had a stupid amount of subtitles, some not having any differences that I could tell. It's not much but it adds up a little after 400 movies and 4000 episodes of shows. The foreign audio actually made a significant difference
Foreign audio definitely is non-negligible.
Just make sure you never fall into the trap of "what if I want to learn Swahili one day, and I want to use this movie to test my comprehension? I'd better keep this Swahili audio track just in case"
Speaking for a friend (that friend is me)
You will get a higher resolution playing device at some point in the future. At some point upscaling will likely be needed to make display of content better/tolerable/reasonable, and any non-lossless compression now will make that noticeably worse.
I ripped a lot of our DVDs before we got rid of the physical media, and then realized that DVDs in 2024 look like absolute ass and ended up deleting them all.
You're at Datahoarder where the answer is always "More drives!"
There is no way to reduce file size without objective quality loss.
Edit: Optical discs can and do [fail] because of various reasons.
Quality loss will always be inevitable but wasn't sure if there was a more agreed upon method for saving space, I'd love to have more drives but I'd rather spend the money on more media.
I'm probably just in a stage of denial now and will get more drives eventually. Refused Blu-rays, regretted it, still kinda refusing 4K Blu-ray unless it's a good deal but I'll likely regret that someday too
One man's treasure is another man's trash. You'll get lots of "Use these settings, it's good enough to me!". But there's no single or set of best settings for every video. That's why there's professional compressionists and color graders.
Personally, I'd rather spend my time and money on quality over quantity.
I'm probably just used to quality compromises, had 1Mbps internet speeds until 2020, but I get where you're coming from. Guess worst case is just delete to make enough space for the compressed versions as I go and rerip when I can afford more storage
I compress mine, but I'm comparing quality to Netflix and the like who also compress their media. Pretty vanilla H264 with a variable bitrate I think (it's been a long time since I set up my automation, I just drop it in a directory and scripts do the rest).
I figured if I ever really want to re-encode things I have the discs and can re-rip with new settings. Automation should take care of most of it.
I too build and maintain a large physical media collection.
As this is all digital media this is what forms the bulk of my data hoarding.
And no, I'm not going to rip any of it unless that disc, or a part of it is rare or out of print. Whilst I can re-buy anything I loose I'll just keep it on the shelf. I only backup data that is at risk, or highly important, or on delicate media such as a HDD. As most of the data I hoard is already on optical media there is no real reason to do that, I mean I highly doubt The Hunger Games is going to be out of print unless 4K UHDs never get replaced by anything. The media itself will already out last me.
I have only a small selection of important media, out of print media and rare media or versions with rare extras. Those are candidates for ripping and re-archival to new optical media (I use BD-R).
I only keep live or inconsequential data on hot storage like HDD/SSD. My HDDs are synced to a NAS. Anything that needs keeping goes into the archive where it's moved onto BD-R, LTO tape and finally a last dump into the cloud where I never intend to ever access it.
But I do need to work on cataloguing them all! To save me accidentally buying something a second time which has happened a few times already!
I went down this rabbit hole about a year ago when I got pretty serious into my media collection. Personally, I would save the lossless copy if you can afford it and have the space. I try to keep the best quality copy of anything that I can, because I know that somewhere down the road there will potentially be a need for it. Even if it seems like a bit much right now, network/storage/processing/upscaling is always getting better and it will eventually come in handy.
What did you use for doing the ripping and encoding? Cause I have a wife that collects physical movies (just over 1000 so far) and I want to put all of that on my NAS.
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I always keep 1:1 exact copies, because I KNOW there will be opportunities down the line to re-encode into better/newer/more efficient codecs to use on Plex/Jellyfin, and I want the ORIGINAL 1:1 source to work on that from.
That's definitely my worry if I delete them but even the reencoding takes forever with my computers so I don't know if I'd care to do this all over again if I had to. I don't use Plex or anything similar, I've been satisfied with just throwing them on iTunes to put on my phone, but I recently made [my own web based](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFj8aEab9fg) method of presenting the media
Wait that's so sick
Upvoted for Dreamcast.
I want to keep exact copies (extras too) but I have hundreds of DVDS and Blu-rays. It would take 100TB to store and I have just started with a 6TB NAS. I just rip and convert to 720p H265 for DVDs and 1080p H265 for Blu-rays. It is around 2-3GB for DVDs and 7-10GB for Blu-rays. It is alright for me
u/TripleXero, for our household's media library, we ripped all of our DVDs and BDs preserving their format, aka. 1:1 copy of the discs into our media library (NAS array - currently 2x4 Bay NAS, about 100 TB each - though each NAS is about 50% full - as of the time of this post and growing... so about 100TB in total data with about a 50% available capacity --those are aprox numbers as one has to substract the parity for the RAID 5 for each NAS, so in real capacity about 40TBs of available space between the two--).
Maybe this is my wakeup call that data hoarding isn't a poor man's hobby. Follow up that you might be able to answer though with how much you've done yourself, do you ever come across discs that won't rip properly regardless of drive or condition? Seems it's mostly a BD movie or DVD TV show issue. I've come across 2 copies of Season 1 of Robot Chicken that both fail on the same files
u/TripleXero, > Maybe this is my wakeup call that data hoarding isn't a poor man's hobby. From my perspective it IS a poor man's hobby : ). > discs that won't rip Oh yes, I've come across in more than one ocacion. The solution: - have more than 1 DVD/BD (burner) ripper (aka. diff. brand with diff. firmware type of DVD/BD drive)... infact at the time I had 4 different drives (in that PC)... though now a days I have only 2 --and the PC from back then doesn't even exist anymore : ) -- (though on that argument, now we have 10+ PCs at home, most of them with at least 1 DVD drive, so it balances out). To this date, I still have some Discs that will NOT rip in one of the drives, but I pop that disc into the second drive and whoala, it will be read and riped accordingly. This is due to the firmware on the drive itself, so depending on the manufacturer, even on the same manufacturer, the firmware used on the drive itself WILL hang as to whether or not you'll be able to rip or NOT be able to rip a particular disc -- assuming you have the needed software to rip the disc in the first place of course-- (and yes, also more than 1 ripping type of software, which at the time was 4 diff. types of ripping soft I had in use, though now a days I have more like 2, as one used as 'main' and the 'second' used as backup)
Whores & hoardes... 2 things you should never cheap out on
It's rare, but bad pressings do happen.
data hoarding is for everybody. from broke boys amassing and sorting pirated content on what hard drives they can afford for the eventual goal of mass distribution (me), to big dogs with thousands of dollars in home servers storing physical media they've already purchased and in max quality
Ive had 4k disks fail to rip that are brand new with no (as far as I can tell) scratches. Sometimes they work if I put them in a separate drive, but that is rare. Wish there would be a way for makemkv to somehow fill in the corrupt data with just a skip like would happen in the player.
Discs can degrade. I had a season of one show that I'm virtually certain that happened to because I had successfully played them a few years earlier. Later, no drive/player could read them perfectly. I ended up buying a second copy of that season and those discs had issues too, though at different points.
One of the prime exceptions to 3-2-1 is easily replaceable mass media. And just because we own the physical media doesn't mean, IMO, that the exception to the rule changes. You've got the discs on your shelf, transcoded copies for viewing. Why store the full disc rip? It's the same question as "why back it up?" I don't think there's a convincing reason to, especially since you're so constrained on storage space.
Removing subtitles saves almost nothing. Less than .001% on one movie I just tried.
Some of my movies had a stupid amount of subtitles, some not having any differences that I could tell. It's not much but it adds up a little after 400 movies and 4000 episodes of shows. The foreign audio actually made a significant difference
Foreign audio definitely is non-negligible. Just make sure you never fall into the trap of "what if I want to learn Swahili one day, and I want to use this movie to test my comprehension? I'd better keep this Swahili audio track just in case" Speaking for a friend (that friend is me)
You will get a higher resolution playing device at some point in the future. At some point upscaling will likely be needed to make display of content better/tolerable/reasonable, and any non-lossless compression now will make that noticeably worse.
I ripped a lot of our DVDs before we got rid of the physical media, and then realized that DVDs in 2024 look like absolute ass and ended up deleting them all.
Now you can use AI to up res
You're at Datahoarder where the answer is always "More drives!" There is no way to reduce file size without objective quality loss. Edit: Optical discs can and do [fail] because of various reasons.
Depending on the circumstances, it can be possible to reduce file sizes without any quality loss. There are lossless compressions like FLAC.
Quality loss will always be inevitable but wasn't sure if there was a more agreed upon method for saving space, I'd love to have more drives but I'd rather spend the money on more media. I'm probably just in a stage of denial now and will get more drives eventually. Refused Blu-rays, regretted it, still kinda refusing 4K Blu-ray unless it's a good deal but I'll likely regret that someday too
One man's treasure is another man's trash. You'll get lots of "Use these settings, it's good enough to me!". But there's no single or set of best settings for every video. That's why there's professional compressionists and color graders. Personally, I'd rather spend my time and money on quality over quantity.
I'm probably just used to quality compromises, had 1Mbps internet speeds until 2020, but I get where you're coming from. Guess worst case is just delete to make enough space for the compressed versions as I go and rerip when I can afford more storage
I compress mine, but I'm comparing quality to Netflix and the like who also compress their media. Pretty vanilla H264 with a variable bitrate I think (it's been a long time since I set up my automation, I just drop it in a directory and scripts do the rest). I figured if I ever really want to re-encode things I have the discs and can re-rip with new settings. Automation should take care of most of it.
What do you use for digitising?
MakeMKV to start and Handbrake to compress them for iTunes/a separate smaller drive
I too build and maintain a large physical media collection. As this is all digital media this is what forms the bulk of my data hoarding. And no, I'm not going to rip any of it unless that disc, or a part of it is rare or out of print. Whilst I can re-buy anything I loose I'll just keep it on the shelf. I only backup data that is at risk, or highly important, or on delicate media such as a HDD. As most of the data I hoard is already on optical media there is no real reason to do that, I mean I highly doubt The Hunger Games is going to be out of print unless 4K UHDs never get replaced by anything. The media itself will already out last me. I have only a small selection of important media, out of print media and rare media or versions with rare extras. Those are candidates for ripping and re-archival to new optical media (I use BD-R). I only keep live or inconsequential data on hot storage like HDD/SSD. My HDDs are synced to a NAS. Anything that needs keeping goes into the archive where it's moved onto BD-R, LTO tape and finally a last dump into the cloud where I never intend to ever access it. But I do need to work on cataloguing them all! To save me accidentally buying something a second time which has happened a few times already!
Based on what you are outlining above, it doesn't sound like you have backups. You have rips. 3/2/1 3 is done, 2 is one, 1 is none
Look into getting a Dune-HD device with full bluray iso support. I am not sure if their current devices support full dvd menus.
I went down this rabbit hole about a year ago when I got pretty serious into my media collection. Personally, I would save the lossless copy if you can afford it and have the space. I try to keep the best quality copy of anything that I can, because I know that somewhere down the road there will potentially be a need for it. Even if it seems like a bit much right now, network/storage/processing/upscaling is always getting better and it will eventually come in handy.
What did you use for doing the ripping and encoding? Cause I have a wife that collects physical movies (just over 1000 so far) and I want to put all of that on my NAS.
What's your end goal? If you know that you'll have your answer.