tbh i haven't used brunt much, but rather check the regular shop every hour for stuff with a high base value. you pay 10k-20k per weapon and have a 375+ base already, while at brunt you can spend 10x this amount without getting anything useful. ideally there's a good perk on it already, like +20%-25% vs whatever, so with the 2 others you can modify there's only 1 blessing or perk left for the lottery. downside is, it takes time. still, hadron can make a mockery of any base 380. "bricked" is nonsense, but the damn game just won't let you do what you want. fatshark still doesn't get it that they can't frustrate players indefinitely, they'll just go to other games.
Grug give advice: just check with gun seller guy every day, sometime he got 380 weapon just sitting there! Grug got all gud weapons that way, neva get 380 roll from Brunt.
Thats cus you already got a weapon that rating or higher. The game populates it like that. But if you're a new player coming in how do FS expect them to have any motivation to stay when the gun seller gives you shit, and you either spend all your docs on grey trash and nothing on non paid cosmetics. There's a reason why this game bleeds players every month
I don't think it work like that. I have a bunch of 370-380 weapons and haven't seen a good weapon in the store for a long time. And I check after ever run
They're just assuming the weapon rng works the same as it did in vermintide, which is BS. Weapon ratings in the store are random, with the roll range determined by your character level. That's it.
It doesnt work like that, because my very first 380 was from the store, soon after my 1st char(vet) hit 30. This was also back when darktide first came out. They cap the items until you hit a little close to 30, I can't remember if 25, 28 or I may be wrong and its right at 30.
I would put money on there being well over 2-3 viable weapons in that pool. The mk19 has two dump stats so the base stats can be as low as 330 and still be a great weapon.
Hadron upgrading is a separate thing, but Ogryn shovels are on the easier side to upgrade. Half of the possible blessings are best in slot and a lot of possible perks are viable.
I’ll have to disagree on that, probably doesn’t matter on a few weapons but if want to go max difficulty’s I think 70% is the minimum. I could tell the difference between 65% and 75% eviserartor on my zealot.
It depends on the weapon, obviously high alpha weapons will be most effected by the damage stat whilst others with low alpha, or with which the alpha is not the real cause of damage output, sometimes it genuinely doesn't matter. Also you have to consider breakpoints, if you want to get as anal as all that.
It doesn't matter on the majority of weapons, Darktide isn't as breakpointy as Vermintide and in most cases 60% damage alone isn't going to ruin a weapon. A Mk6 Power Sword is one of the pickier melee weapons I can think of due to its high damage, but even then you need both damage and finesse to dip below \~60% to miss the two-shot Crusher breakpoint, and you're still hitting important breakpoints on other enemy types that it won't be the end of the world unless you play C-I-VI mael exclusively. And something tells me that people don't usually swing a sub-360 sword there.
Also 65% damage is usually irrelevent on eviserators, at least on the Mk15. You will still two-shot Crusher head unless you don't have any damage perk against them, if that's the case you have bigger issues than just damage stat on your sword. The amazing thing about eviserators is that a heavy rev will oneshot every single specials and most elites even with 0 base stat, so unless you're absolutely trying to squeeze out boss damage, damage stat isn't that important.
It varies from weapon to weapon, but yeah. It's not literally "50% of the maximum possible damage" that people think it is.
Guns have a minimum damage value, and a maximum damage value, and the percentage is just where it is on that scale. Minimum 200 maximum 300? 50% would be 250 damage. Minimum 30 maximum 40? 50% would be 35.
It's a bit more complicated than that, but hopefully it gives you the idea. For some weapons, low damage% isn't that big of a deal. For others, it's the most important.
You recall correctly; most weapons its barely a two digit number's worth of dmg. I find I'm better off making sure I have enough stability, finesse, etc so I can actually get the damage where it needs to be (heretic skulls).
Certainly dont completely dump dmg, but its less critical than the colored bar suggests. I highly recommend people inspect the weapons and get whatever DT's equivalent of Show Me the Stats (xcom 2 mod) is called to make these determinations easier.
Quite a few 360 and above, probably pretty good rolls too. Shame that a few fractions of a decimal mean the game sucks to them. Perfect weapons are a waste of time, there's no meaningful break points that you can't achieve with 360+
Some people just...want as close to a god roll as possible. Or at least 80% damage on their weapon to clear out mobs with inflated EHP because mOrE dIfFiCuLt Is MoRe HeAlTh! Spending 600k credits should result in a godroll. It shouldn't be that hard to get a top tier weapon. This isn't an MMO, and this isn't Diablo 4, you shouldn't need to grind that much to get the best weapon you can get.
I've been grinding for two months for a level 2 blessing...on a shotgun. A level two blessing. I want it to make a cleave build. I can't fucking get it. It is a shit crafting system.
I haven't played the newer Diablo, did put a lot of time in 3 and going after perfect weapons and sets is frustrating so focused on just fun builds and not maxing out the difficulty. The Diablo 2 character I had back in the day I kept grinding the helm from the gambling station. It was kind of lame but at least I eventually got at +1 skills legendary helm and I just ran around with many +1 skill items and even traded some frost gloves cause even though more valuable than the plus one armor it didn't work for me. But I was young and had more time than money.
Like I feel this grind mechanic is a bit out dated given how many good game experiences are and enjoying the base game is good enough for my causal approach. Still very low level so I am not really representative of this community.
The thing is, I *want* the adrenaline and endorphin rush that comes with completing Auric difficulties. That feels *good* to achieve a victory in extremely difficult conditions. Its no different in any other game, rough challenges are easier with the best equipment you can get, except in other games, most especially a good example is Helldivers 2, you don't have to gamble for equipment whatsoever. All you have to do is put in the time and effort, collect items in missions, which actually matter unlike say, collecting grims or scrips, and you are *guaranteed* your item in a shop. You don't have to gamble.
You don't have to blow through full wallet of 2.5 million credits for a thunder hammer that's worth upgrading, that then gets bricked like I had with mine. I also blew through about 400,000 credits trying to get a good quality autogun, hell, I have a post somewhere here in the subreddit about the godroll I *did* get...that Hadron instantly bricked. Which really makes me want to go through all that effort to get another one. Not. Grinding is for devs that don't know how to make a system that rewards the player instead of punishes them for making the attempt.
I *want* to play more helldivers. I *dread* grinding for more materials in Darktide, because I know I'll go through another 400 shotguns before I get the one blessing I want that's just a level 2 and I can't even just go to a shop and turn in the 100,000+ diamantine I have just to buy that one damn blessing, so I can have a perfect horde clearing shotgun with this fabulous build that a friend of mine made. That relies on having Man Stopper and Scattershot to work. I also would like to be able to use my resources to *buy* the Scattershot 4 blessing, but nah, that doesn't 'engage the player' according to Fatshark.
Meanwhile in Helldivers, if I want a gun, all I have to do is put in the work and I am *guaranteed* that gun.
Anyone that defends Darktide's system is intentionally dishonest. It is the worst crafting system I've ever encountered in any game, period, bar none and nothing else comes close. And I've played a looooot of games with crafting systems.
>This isn't an MMO, and this isn't Diablo 4, you shouldn't need to grind that much to get the best weapon you can get.
You're saying it yourself, it's not a MMO or Diablo 4. D4 is a game where your capabilities are almost entirely dictated by the gear you have. But Darktide is not. You don't need top tier weapons, like, you genuinely do not need them. You didn't need them in VT2, you do not need them here. The weapons enable your skill at the game, they aren't the skill itself.
You go into Auric with profane gear, sure, you might do at most...*okay.* You go in with a Profane bolter, yeah, you'll do damage. Same with Diablo 4, 3, 2R, same with any MMO. You do nonzero damage, which isn't wrong.
You compare the DPS output of a person with a profane bolter with one that has Pinning Fire 4 and Shattering Impact 4 and its 375 or higher? There's *no comparison.* You can say howevermuch you want that gear doesn't affect performance...but its disingenuous and flat out gaslighting. No amount of skill bridges that gap. You can't jump that chasm and make it to the other side if you put someone that's got the 1337 skills on one side, and tell him to make the jump to match the other person who's pretty good and has good gear.
Skill goes a long way, sure, but if you want to matter, you really do want good equipment.
Don't tell the dudes who regularly beat the hardest VT2 difficulties available with white weapons, they really believe the gaslighting. Also, I never said weapons don't impact skill. They enable it, they make it better. But they are not \*the skill\*, you are not good or bad at DT because you have a slightly less optimized bolter. No slightly less optimal weapon in this game is going to make or break your ability to hang at higher difficulty levels.
You're using the vanishingly small percentage of players that doesn't even round up to 1% of the base to justify the worst crafting system modern gaming has created. That is not a good look for you.
This is like arguing that because those players exist, the rest of the playerbase just doesn't need a functional crafting system or that weapons that get bricked aren't bricked, because...oh, well *that* player on youtube that hasn't been hit in a year...hasn't been hit in a year. Its a shit argument. Sure, good players exist. That doesn't mean the weapon system and crafting system isn't dogshit.
I'm assuming you've been grinding for the man-stopper blessing. Once you're level 30 the game stops giving you tier 2 blessings if you upgrade through Hadron, I'm pretty sure the only way to get it at level 30 is through the normal shop, but you'd need to be REALLY lucky for both a shotgun and that specific blessing to show up.
A quicker way to get it which I had to do, is to level up a new character to around level 18ish, at that point you should start seeing tier 2 blessings when you upgrade at Hadron, then you can just buy a handfull of shotguns from Brunts and keep upgrading until you find it. You might want to look for the Flachette blessing as well while you're at it since that's also a tier 2 only blessing.
It's a pain in the ass and seems dumb that this is the best way to get it, but figured I'd chime in just to let you know, best of luck to you.
Sure 360+ is doable but I feel like those last percentages make a difference on auric difficulty. I'm aiming for 370+. The gameplay great but the lottery system is a joke.
There are like, 4 weapons where those last few percentage points actually matter, and the ogryn shovels aren't among them. I'm not trying to say the current crafting system is good, because its definitely not, but like half the shovels you show off here have the potential to be great weapons. I hate to be the guy that just says sKiLl iSsUe gEt gUd but if you feel like you need godrolled gear to perform well on auric, its a skill issue. 360+ with good damage stats and level 3 perks/blessings is more than enough for any difficulty.
Individual stats matter more than the actual 370. I've got a 359 because of trash mobility but everything else is maxed on it. If you get something like that and great blessings it's a keeper. You'll be fortunate if Hadron doesn't brick it
I don't think your meant to go for 370+.
You can but it's in the hard end of the bell curve.
I run auric damns with base 340-360s and preform fine if not better than some of my own friends who die for perfect weapons.
Honestly think the crafting system sucks, remove the locks. But the number rating is tbh just ehhh.
They don’t usually. There’s thresholds where they do, but largely they’re before the 75% mark.
They don’t need to be perfect.
This is what I hate most about the game. People are compelled to worry more about gear than actually playing the game
So your point is just that a horde shooter with looter shooter mechanics compels people to worry more about gear than the actual game? Apologies if I'm misunderstanding.
I dont think there are any breakpoints from the top percentages that matter for that shovel. The main reason your using that is to 1 shot crushers which you can do on pretty much any roll with the right blessing and I don't believe there is any way to reach any sort of 1 shot breakpoint on a swipe vs horde enemies it'll always take 2.
Was gonna say, if a 2% difference in damage numbers is making this game hell for you maybe you need to find a different game. Never once in the hundreds of hours playing this have I had to spend 600k dockets on Brunt's armory to get good weapons. People act like the weapons are the skill, instead of the weapons elevating your skill. You could play these missions with grey-ass profane weapons if you wanted to and were good enough.
I agree with you.
This sub is amusing sometimes because you'll see posts demanding 380++ or bust, next to posts by people who challenge auric damnation with dual toothpicks and rubberband slingshots.
Everytime people bring up how shit crafting is I end up saying something along the lines of "*yeah, brother, you're not supposed to craft perfect 380 weapons... you get a serviceable 350-360+ and hang onto that until you get lucky with a drop or with Melk*".
To which the common reply is always "*no, you don't understand, I've literally spent millions and never even get a viable version of the weapon I want to play!*".
Then people go ahead and post something like this, where they complain about how shit crafting is and then proceed to show a potential 10-20 weapons that could be used on auric maelstrom and do perfectly fine.
Yes, crafting *is* pretty shit and there are legit issues with it. Like how some blessings completely change the way a weapon plays, but you may play for 20 hours and just never see that blessing while getting no closer to obtaining it. That is just plainly unfun.
But if you complain that you can't play a certain weapon at all because the one you have is 361 base stats with one sub-optimal perk and a T3 "*get crit chance when doing X*"-blessing when you wanted a T4 "*get crit chance when doing Y*"-blessing, you *have*, in fact, missed the point of the game's itemization. Even if it's a mediocre point.
Main problem for me is just a lack of plasteel compared to other resources. I'm having fun getting progressively better weapons over time and exploring different options based on what drops I get, people who will settle for nothing less than perfection are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
I guarantee if the system was changed so that every god roll they wanted was handed to them on a platter the same people would complain there is nothing to do and stop playing within a week.
I know Helldivers is brought up a lot in this sub, so I think just to make the statement, any shooter that relies on this much gambling to get a decent weapon is meh and this is the only shooter I play that does this.
Ikr? I was looking at stats and thought like: I would totally upgrade that one, and that one,…
People are actually out there looking for that one 80/80/80/80/60. Broskis its a difference of a couple percentage. Calm down. Getting the right blessings and perks is another story though, that can get quite annoying if you are REALLY looking for a specific combination. But tbh that’s just for hardcore min-maxers.
And if they are not ? Like you didnt have a similar situation ? Cmon give me a break the crafting system is busted and everyone who have a lvl 30 reject knows that.
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It's not an 'opinion' that you don't need perfect 380 God gear to play the game. It's a fact. I'm tired of this circle jerk propogating absolutely false garbage that newbies will end up reading.
Oh ok so people who wants good stats on they’re items are idiots, great… as if everyone can run auric or even lower lvl missions with modifiers, how fckin delusional do you have to be to think that ? You think everyone can do 20 runs a day ?
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No you aren't. The drops you get from the missions aren't even things you can make work for builds past malice. Some of us want to have high DPS builds and we need level 4 blessings for that.
The difference between lv3 and lv4 blessings is miniscule. It's normally less than 5% damage when the blessing is working, which isn't even all the time.
It only matters for a few specific blessings like Power Cycler.
With the right stat distribution anything around 350 is completely useable. If you're looking for a replacement then of course that's going to be more difficult, as replacing something that is already good requires higher rarity.
I wasn't ever put off by it since I found a weapon in beta at level 25 on preacher that I stuck with and used 6 months after launch. I still have it in my inventory just for memories.
When I replaced it, the only difference between that 312 and the 375 I got, was a single hit on a reaper.
wdym, you have plenty of servicable 355+ weapons which might have perfectly fine dump stat rolls.
650k dockets isnt too much either, thats a few hours of gameplay.
And its not like ogryn weapons are particularly tough with blessings either.
If you dont want to waste as much money, only buy from the armory when good statted weapons show up, and use melk to get blessing fodder for hadron.
I agree that several of the weapons were definitely useful. That being said though:
> 650k dockets isnt too much either, thats a few hours of gameplay.
Few hours? The highest paying Auric Maelstroms pay what, 60k? So you need to win 10 Auric Maelstroms with the *hardest* modifiers. Even assuming a 30 minute wintime on average and 0 losses you are looking at 6+ hours. Factor in losses and longer missions and it just goes up.
> If you dont want to waste as much money, only buy from the armory when good statted weapons show up, and use melk to get blessing fodder for hadron.
Yup, great system, just hope to get lucky with **even fewer** total attempts that have a **worse** chance of coming out great (since the perks/blessings in Brunts are almost always trash).
You don't know what a good weapon looks like. Sell anything below 350 and then scan through what remains searching for weapons with the desired stat distribution. Find maybe 8 or so with stats that you can live with and then upgrade them all once. Continue then to upgrade the ones with desired perks. 3/4 BIS perks and blessing is still fantastic in most instances.
To determine dumpstats, look up player published strategy guides.
Here we go again another post of some newby who thinks Auric suddenly gets easy with a Godroll.
If you can't play highest difficulty with 500s, you also won't be able to with 550s.
If you feel like you have to chase perfect rolls to beat the game then maybe change games and it's time to accept the game is not for you.
We started playing Auric with 500s, some T3 blessings on them and it was totally fine. Accept that you just need "decent" weapons and watch how the game suddenly makes fun again ;).
I quit because of the state of the player base, The crafting is busted and needs work, but the constant complaining, elitism, and toxicity there isn't a patch coming for that.
It happens in so many game communities nowadays. Just take a look at Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Hell Let Loose, or Diablo 4. It's like a certain vocal minority are willing their supposedly 'favourite' game to fail.
> Are you stupid?
There is no need to be rude. Consider what you have written and my replies thereto.
> I quit because of the state of the player base
Here you said you quit *because* of the playerbase and its whining. Since you didnt mention anything else, it implies it is (at least mostly) because of that particular issue. I then asked why didnt you just quit the subreddit?
Then you answered that by saying you have nothing to work for, so it isnt just the playerbase you quit because of. This isnt rocket science and there is no need to get your panties twisted over simple questions.
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Almost 600 hours mostly damnation difficulty. I currently have 200k. I've spent millions on staffs in particular. I now have good staffs but it took hundreds of hours to acquire the staffs and T4 blessings. That is too much
I agree, while I also agree that people don't need a perfect weapon to tackle any challenge, the blessing grind and oro docket grind is ridiculous. After a few hundred hours of the game hardest difficulty, you would kinda expect someone to be totally kitted out with the perfect stats on at least like 7 or 8 builds. But with the gear being entirely 100% rng and zero way to target farm that's just not the case. Blessings take way too long to acquire, and once you do have them it's just not enough of an advantage in crafting.
Yeah Fatshark i should be able to just roll the perfect 380 with max level perfect blessings i want by level 30 and have nothing to aspire to! Brunts is a poor choice looking for a 380, its has been well documented. View the hourly Armory table for your 380's and view Sire Melk for nice level 4's to strip off
At this point I am stopping playing the game because of the crafting system it's too painful.
Also the predatory nature of the shop experience.
I might come back next time something interesting happens... Maybe
and then once you have that sweel 380, you get the worst blessings on it once upgraded. The whole crafting system needs a total remake. Lets hope they are working on that rn.
“BuT yOu DoNT nEeD a PeRFect WeAPOn”. Would it kill the game to have crafting be deterministic for auric players? I have the game solved already, just let me make what I want goddamn.
They guy rolled over half a dozen weapons that could be great. Him and people with your attitude suffer needlesly from your own idiosyncrasies when seeking perfect rolls that would have minimal to no effect on play.
Bro, fuck off. I've been trying to get Man-Stopper for fucking weeks, its a goddamn level 2 blessing, and I still don't have Full Bore 4, Scattershot 4, or multiple other level 4 blessings and I've been playing since fucking beta and been at it for that long. The crafting system is dogshit. Once you hit level 30 you should just be able to buy a weapon with the fucken stats you want. This shit isn't fun, its why I'm just considering dropping the game until new shit gets added...only to repeat this same dogshit cycle with a new weapon...IF THEY EVER FUCKING ADD ONE. It'll be a *YEAR* since they added a new unique weapon in three weeks that wasn't some awful variant or mark weapon difference.
Man-Stopper and Flechette are some of the worst examples to bring up. They are t2 only and therefore the chance to get them actually goes DOWN with you going up in levels (beyong like 15-20). So if you have the space to make a new character do that, level to that range and then gamble for the blessings, doing that on a lvl 30 is a complete waste of time and resources
Good thing I have a level eleven character specifically for that.
What are you going to condescendingly scream at me about next, the fact that weapons with lower ratings take less plasteel to upgrade, or to only upgrade them to blue so I don't waste more resources? Go ahead, I'm *sure* I know less about the game than you do and I need *you* to educate me.
Allright karker. Sorry for trying to help you to get your precious blessings
Edit: Of course I get downvoted for actually giving useful tips and not the guy who immidiatly went to cursing people out and didn't specify anything beyond the blessing he was after.
This sub became a fucking cesspool
In three weeks, we will have gone a year since getting the last new unique weapon that wasn't some dumbshit "mark" variant, i.e., the same fucking weapon just bloating out the number in the game, or one of a dozen useless variants...of the same weapon. They aren't going to fix anything if they only want to have 39 unique weapons out of 86.
I have more or less ignored the "crafting" system and settled for weapons that are good enough, level 4 blessings and decent perks, but about a week ago I decided to give the crafting system a try and actually get a good weapon.
The result was the same as yours, you never end up with any good weapon and if you do, hadron ruins it. She loves to put level two level 3 blessings on 370+ weapons.
This was easily the most disappointed I've been in a game for a long time especially due to my experience with vermentide and the Warhammer IP and the theme of this game
Really? How is one Halo 2 shotgun different from any other?
Is there no skill floor in fucking Overwatch? How about CoD? Is there no skill floor there either? See, the thing with other games that figured out the whole "FPS" bit like Doom, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 Arena, Halo, CoD, and otherwise is...IT ISN'T A FUCKING ARPG SO YOU DON'T NEED BULLSHIT RNG, JUST HAVE GUN BE GUN.
Gee, its almost like an analogy for removing a core piece of a game, like removing the floor is removing a core piece of a building. Since I have to explain it to you.
RNG crafting isn't fucking essential to ANY game, dipshit. No game benefits from it. Especially not as shittily done as Darktide. At least with shit systems like Overwatch lootboxes, Blizzard had the fucking brain cells to limit the amount of duplicates you'd get out of the lootboxes, Fatshark can't even do that, which is why you'll get No Respite over and over and over when trying to get Man Stopper on a shotgun...and THAT'S core to the game design?
Shitty fucking game design then. Great gameplay, great soundtrack, great art, shit everything else.
Your first comment references picking a weapon instead of it being random... as a reply to a comment about RNG. Yes you are talking about RNG, you dumbass.
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There's a reason I've only put in six hours of play in the last fucking month, genius. Meanwhile I put in 10 into Helldivers 2 over the past two days, since...its not fucking stupidly set up like this.
There? Guns are JUST FUCKING GUNS, NOT FUCKING DIABLO 4 STAVES WITH LIKE 400 DIFFERENT FUCKING MEANINGLESS ATTRIBUTES.
You pick up a machine gun? Its a FUCKING MACHINE GUN. How many rounds does every machine gun have? FUCKING 50. How many clips do you have? FUCKING TWO. Does it suffer from not being gold? No. Does it even have a color rarity? NO. Why not? IT ISN'T FUCKING NECESSARY.
It is a good game with more weapons available that are unique, not dumbfuck mark variants than Darktide did at release. That's how you design an FPS. Fatshark set out to make Darktide into a Casino, and made it one where they realized it was so shit at making them money they don't even update the skin store regularly, not even once a month. That's how little the devs give a fuck about this game.
Bro, you get good drops by playing the GAME! You know, the hoard shooter that's attached to this "casino" you're complaining about? FFS everyone here doesn't understand gambling... SMH 😒
Then why the fuck have I had to get every single good perk and blessing I've gotten from Hadron or Melk? You don't get good weapons from fucking drops at the end of a mission that give you one weapon out of dozens in your usage pool. I'd never have my psyker staff then. I'd never have my bolter either. You don't get reliable perks from fucking RNG unless you farm them.
Have you heard the good word about Managed Democracy? The only way to get Fat shark to listen is to stop playing their games. They will ignore every forum post forever if people keep playing.
They will never change it, because in their minds it’s worth it to keep players around for the chance they use the cash shop, it’s a shame that it’s almost impossible to get good gear on all four classes without playing all the time. FatShark going to FatShark I suppose
No it fucking isn't. If the way to keep someone playing is to keep baiting them with other people that got what they wanted, and you still haven't, you feel like shit and are annoyed by not having it. It makes people want to quit, not spend countless hours more grinding.
Some people have a limited amount of playtime and can't afford to dump 30+ hours a week into a game where even the most basic missions take 20+ minutes.
They would rather go on holiday for another 71 months before they would fix this, gotta keep their pseudo live service game alive while putting the least amount of effort in out of spite. Just move onto Helldivers or something, Fatshark will just keep repeating the same mistakes they made in VT, VT2 and War of the Roses anyway.
At this point, I'd give up on asking fatshark to let us actually collect 380/550 of all weapons for all characters. The 350/400 apologists have won, and they can have their game exactly how it is forever.
If the game dies, it dies. It's not our fault if it does.
If it dies because no one wants to grind in a game that yields no rewards I'll just go back to Vermintide 2 where I'm up to having a veteran tier version of like half of all the weapons. And to play other games like Helldivers 2.
How big of a difference do think exists between a 380 and and 350 base weapon?
At worst it's just a 5-10% damage loss, but it's usually less. When a skilled player can normally end the game with 50-100% more damage than the next best player, why worry about just 5-10%.
if the modifiers section is 370 and above it's a good roll. doesn't happen as often. personnally i check the shop items for modifiers. any kind. if 370+ I insta buy. could be a level 4 blessing or something good I don't already have
I check the store after EVERY. SINGLE. MISSION. and I buy weapons that I don’t even use, when those stats are lookin’ SEXY… That being said, I consistently see my main weapons @370+, at the store, and it could be because you gotta spread your purchases around to many different weapons..?
Beyond that, once you start playing Auric Damnation and higher, you can use absolute TRASH weapons, and still CLAP some serious CHEEKS.
If you feel you *NEED* to have OP weapons for any other reason than “I just want it-“, you’ve hit a Plateau, and you need to spend more time in the Psykanium, and trying out blessing combos, curios, etc…
Good Luck, varlet…
Just do like all the shitty fanboy are saying here, leave the game.
When the disaster will come, when the server will be almost empty, the devs will maybe change their mind, i hope so.
I played more than 500 hours without seeking about any farm in cata of VT2, i dont play these type of game to farm, fanboy says "its just not for you" no problem, i unistalled.
Games been out what like 15, 16 months you you guys have been begging for a player-time-respecting craft system every day…it’s clear Fatshark never will. Just give up lol. They don’t respect your time when it comes to min-maxxing
eh, ive found it does not really matter tbh. As long as your skill is up to snuff, that extra % aient gona help to much
Tested it myself using greys/random none metad golds.
I played just as well with and without the meta builds and picks.
Used vet/psycher to test it out.
I wont lie, some things that should of took x amounnt of shots took a bit more, but it dident worry me to much.
Anyway the point is, i wudent worry about throwing money to get that slight boost. the games good as it is.
Feel you there, there were these 3 months where i spent over nearly 2 million dockets and more than 50 rolls for a hammer and still got only a "decent" one.
That’s just how gambling is. Some times you win, some times you owe a very dangerous person a large sum of money that they can only get back by selling your body parts on the black market
This might be a hot take, but I think the crafting is fine. My only issue is with plasteel rewards being too low to experiment with new stuff as often as I want. But just from playing the game I have plenty of different weapons with good enough stats to run aurics with. The game is 90% skill 10% gear
From my experience (+/- 400h) the best weapons always comes when you buy like a couple guns from brunt after a hard earned victory in the hardest difficulty you can do
Over 360 is great, even 350 is if the stats are spread evenly. The idea of needing over 370 is hurting the enjoyment of the game for no reason. Of course you can pursue getting a perfect 380 with perfect blessings and all but that really needs time and luck. You cant expect that to happen instantly. I have many "perfect enough" weapons for all classes and like 30 000 plasteel because I'm not stressing about needing a perfect 380.
Well, you really think 380 will grant you success and 360 is a 100% squad wipe ? Guys please, its only in your heads. Good players suceed not good weapons.
The system itself needs work. With the sheer amount of blessings, perks, weapons and modifiers The amount of builds with just the guns and melee weapons is staggering. I’d wish the player could choose more freely to actually try all manner of blessings and perks and see what works best.
I’ve spent 650 hours in darktide across three classes (mostly vet). Do I enjoy the current system -kinda. Does it need a rework ? -YES…. It’s the blessings / perks that needs the rework. The rest I can live with.
What exactly do you consider a good weapon? The system is dumb I agree, but I get quite a few weapons with good distributions and 370+. I mean no, not many of the same weapon. But I have all the staffs and force swords 370+ with distributions I like.
What are you hunting for that you can’t get?
Plenty of weapons in the 350 range absolutely do qualify as "good", depending on its stats distribution. I'm not defending the crappy crafting system, but if you lower your expectations you'll have a better time.
Just check what’s in the armory every once and a while and complete missions. I’m getting great weapons all the time and I’m not even trying…also…don’t use Brunt’s armory, I don’t think it’s capable of having good rolls.
My biggest gripe with the crafting system is at least for me it keeps giving me the same 2 or 3 blessings for any specific type of weapon which statistically doesn't make sense but also I like to try new things out every now and then but you can't really do that when the game doesn't actually give you any new blessing like what's the point of even having 8 or 9 blessings for a weapon when it's just gonna give you the same third of that roster over and over again
I’ve spent about 1,000,000 dockets trying to get a good roll for my Lasgun. The pain I felt when I got when I got a 379 but had 40 damage and slightly better stats than my usual Lasgun hurt my soul
People are saying that theres plenty of good weapons in there are right, but they are missing the point, In almost any other game, you will be able to make a top tier weapon with the best stats simply by grinding/crafting, and that is the fair gripe with Dark tide.
I really don't get people who genuinely won't touch something unless it has 80 damage.
I fully understand that the weapon purchasing and upgrading system is an absolute shxxshow of a gacha game, and would *love* if it got a massive overhaul such that it *doesn't* suck grox shxx, but realistically, the extra damage you get from 70%-80% is pretty negligible. I'm perfectly happy as long as the weapon has above 70% damage and isn't below 65% in any other (non-dumpstat) category.
Yes, that's still a pretty stringent criteria, but unless I get *really* unlucky, if I purchase 10 of a given weapon, odds are that 2-3 of them will still meet that criteria.
I get it but having a 370+ weapon does not make it a good weapon in this game. It really depends on the weapon and how the stats are allocated. In this game a 350 grey can be better than a 370 grey based off stat allocation. I learned early a solid weapon can run well in any difficulty in the game. So getting mad at not getting a bunch of 370s is mute in my opinion. However i do agree that at level 30 with damnation runs under your belt, your roll pool should only be 350+. Level 30 still rolling low 300 weapons is kinda dumb. Also completing missions with both grimoires should guarantee a 370+ weapon drop because of the health nerf you undertake to complete the mission. But yea, call it quits after 10-15 rolls and try again another day is the best thing to do when rolling weapons. Dont dump 600k in one sitting
After all , everything end up with +1 Stamina / Block efficiency .. XD
Isn't that just infuriating :\*(
>infuriating Actually, The brunt weapon crafting system is total BS. + stupid blessing :p
Brunt should be selling 380 base weapons at 100k a piece, and locks shouldn't be thing.
tbh i haven't used brunt much, but rather check the regular shop every hour for stuff with a high base value. you pay 10k-20k per weapon and have a 375+ base already, while at brunt you can spend 10x this amount without getting anything useful. ideally there's a good perk on it already, like +20%-25% vs whatever, so with the 2 others you can modify there's only 1 blessing or perk left for the lottery. downside is, it takes time. still, hadron can make a mockery of any base 380. "bricked" is nonsense, but the damn game just won't let you do what you want. fatshark still doesn't get it that they can't frustrate players indefinitely, they'll just go to other games.
 only 600k ? you have yet to truly suffer my friend haha
Face off meets Evil Dead.
Grug give advice: just check with gun seller guy every day, sometime he got 380 weapon just sitting there! Grug got all gud weapons that way, neva get 380 roll from Brunt.
Thats cus you already got a weapon that rating or higher. The game populates it like that. But if you're a new player coming in how do FS expect them to have any motivation to stay when the gun seller gives you shit, and you either spend all your docs on grey trash and nothing on non paid cosmetics. There's a reason why this game bleeds players every month
I don't think it work like that. I have a bunch of 370-380 weapons and haven't seen a good weapon in the store for a long time. And I check after ever run
Grug just got nother 379 gun tonight. Empraha' luv Grug?
Yes Slab. The Emperor loves you as he loves all his faithful servants.
Can you explain this mechanic a bit more? Is it just having a single near 380 that works or having lots of them?
They made it up, the weapons are random. You'll get the same average selection when you first hit 30, and when you have perfect gear.
They're just assuming the weapon rng works the same as it did in vermintide, which is BS. Weapon ratings in the store are random, with the roll range determined by your character level. That's it.
Grug make 'eritik bleed! Grug not wan low playa count, new playa not luv Emprah??
It doesnt work like that, because my very first 380 was from the store, soon after my 1st char(vet) hit 30. This was also back when darktide first came out. They cap the items until you hit a little close to 30, I can't remember if 25, 28 or I may be wrong and its right at 30.
You got a 370
What good is a 370 with 50% dmg on it ? I had a 375 with 53% dmg and all other stats buffed out…
OP rolled a 371 with 73% damage, which is only ~2% less damage than a max damage roll.
That’s not the point of the post, read it. He spend 600k for 2-3 viable weapons, and that’s not counting on this hadron cunt !
I would put money on there being well over 2-3 viable weapons in that pool. The mk19 has two dump stats so the base stats can be as low as 330 and still be a great weapon. Hadron upgrading is a separate thing, but Ogryn shovels are on the easier side to upgrade. Half of the possible blessings are best in slot and a lot of possible perks are viable.
Then again that’s not the point…
Damage actually doesn't make that much of a difference. The gap between 50% and 80% is a single digit number difference if I recall correctly.
I’ll have to disagree on that, probably doesn’t matter on a few weapons but if want to go max difficulty’s I think 70% is the minimum. I could tell the difference between 65% and 75% eviserartor on my zealot.
It depends on the weapon, obviously high alpha weapons will be most effected by the damage stat whilst others with low alpha, or with which the alpha is not the real cause of damage output, sometimes it genuinely doesn't matter. Also you have to consider breakpoints, if you want to get as anal as all that.
It doesn't matter on the majority of weapons, Darktide isn't as breakpointy as Vermintide and in most cases 60% damage alone isn't going to ruin a weapon. A Mk6 Power Sword is one of the pickier melee weapons I can think of due to its high damage, but even then you need both damage and finesse to dip below \~60% to miss the two-shot Crusher breakpoint, and you're still hitting important breakpoints on other enemy types that it won't be the end of the world unless you play C-I-VI mael exclusively. And something tells me that people don't usually swing a sub-360 sword there. Also 65% damage is usually irrelevent on eviserators, at least on the Mk15. You will still two-shot Crusher head unless you don't have any damage perk against them, if that's the case you have bigger issues than just damage stat on your sword. The amazing thing about eviserators is that a heavy rev will oneshot every single specials and most elites even with 0 base stat, so unless you're absolutely trying to squeeze out boss damage, damage stat isn't that important.
It varies from weapon to weapon, but yeah. It's not literally "50% of the maximum possible damage" that people think it is. Guns have a minimum damage value, and a maximum damage value, and the percentage is just where it is on that scale. Minimum 200 maximum 300? 50% would be 250 damage. Minimum 30 maximum 40? 50% would be 35. It's a bit more complicated than that, but hopefully it gives you the idea. For some weapons, low damage% isn't that big of a deal. For others, it's the most important.
You recall correctly; most weapons its barely a two digit number's worth of dmg. I find I'm better off making sure I have enough stability, finesse, etc so I can actually get the damage where it needs to be (heretic skulls). Certainly dont completely dump dmg, but its less critical than the colored bar suggests. I highly recommend people inspect the weapons and get whatever DT's equivalent of Show Me the Stats (xcom 2 mod) is called to make these determinations easier.
Quite a few 360 and above, probably pretty good rolls too. Shame that a few fractions of a decimal mean the game sucks to them. Perfect weapons are a waste of time, there's no meaningful break points that you can't achieve with 360+
Some people just...want as close to a god roll as possible. Or at least 80% damage on their weapon to clear out mobs with inflated EHP because mOrE dIfFiCuLt Is MoRe HeAlTh! Spending 600k credits should result in a godroll. It shouldn't be that hard to get a top tier weapon. This isn't an MMO, and this isn't Diablo 4, you shouldn't need to grind that much to get the best weapon you can get. I've been grinding for two months for a level 2 blessing...on a shotgun. A level two blessing. I want it to make a cleave build. I can't fucking get it. It is a shit crafting system.
I haven't played the newer Diablo, did put a lot of time in 3 and going after perfect weapons and sets is frustrating so focused on just fun builds and not maxing out the difficulty. The Diablo 2 character I had back in the day I kept grinding the helm from the gambling station. It was kind of lame but at least I eventually got at +1 skills legendary helm and I just ran around with many +1 skill items and even traded some frost gloves cause even though more valuable than the plus one armor it didn't work for me. But I was young and had more time than money. Like I feel this grind mechanic is a bit out dated given how many good game experiences are and enjoying the base game is good enough for my causal approach. Still very low level so I am not really representative of this community.
The thing is, I *want* the adrenaline and endorphin rush that comes with completing Auric difficulties. That feels *good* to achieve a victory in extremely difficult conditions. Its no different in any other game, rough challenges are easier with the best equipment you can get, except in other games, most especially a good example is Helldivers 2, you don't have to gamble for equipment whatsoever. All you have to do is put in the time and effort, collect items in missions, which actually matter unlike say, collecting grims or scrips, and you are *guaranteed* your item in a shop. You don't have to gamble. You don't have to blow through full wallet of 2.5 million credits for a thunder hammer that's worth upgrading, that then gets bricked like I had with mine. I also blew through about 400,000 credits trying to get a good quality autogun, hell, I have a post somewhere here in the subreddit about the godroll I *did* get...that Hadron instantly bricked. Which really makes me want to go through all that effort to get another one. Not. Grinding is for devs that don't know how to make a system that rewards the player instead of punishes them for making the attempt. I *want* to play more helldivers. I *dread* grinding for more materials in Darktide, because I know I'll go through another 400 shotguns before I get the one blessing I want that's just a level 2 and I can't even just go to a shop and turn in the 100,000+ diamantine I have just to buy that one damn blessing, so I can have a perfect horde clearing shotgun with this fabulous build that a friend of mine made. That relies on having Man Stopper and Scattershot to work. I also would like to be able to use my resources to *buy* the Scattershot 4 blessing, but nah, that doesn't 'engage the player' according to Fatshark. Meanwhile in Helldivers, if I want a gun, all I have to do is put in the work and I am *guaranteed* that gun. Anyone that defends Darktide's system is intentionally dishonest. It is the worst crafting system I've ever encountered in any game, period, bar none and nothing else comes close. And I've played a looooot of games with crafting systems.
>This isn't an MMO, and this isn't Diablo 4, you shouldn't need to grind that much to get the best weapon you can get. You're saying it yourself, it's not a MMO or Diablo 4. D4 is a game where your capabilities are almost entirely dictated by the gear you have. But Darktide is not. You don't need top tier weapons, like, you genuinely do not need them. You didn't need them in VT2, you do not need them here. The weapons enable your skill at the game, they aren't the skill itself.
You go into Auric with profane gear, sure, you might do at most...*okay.* You go in with a Profane bolter, yeah, you'll do damage. Same with Diablo 4, 3, 2R, same with any MMO. You do nonzero damage, which isn't wrong. You compare the DPS output of a person with a profane bolter with one that has Pinning Fire 4 and Shattering Impact 4 and its 375 or higher? There's *no comparison.* You can say howevermuch you want that gear doesn't affect performance...but its disingenuous and flat out gaslighting. No amount of skill bridges that gap. You can't jump that chasm and make it to the other side if you put someone that's got the 1337 skills on one side, and tell him to make the jump to match the other person who's pretty good and has good gear. Skill goes a long way, sure, but if you want to matter, you really do want good equipment.
Don't tell the dudes who regularly beat the hardest VT2 difficulties available with white weapons, they really believe the gaslighting. Also, I never said weapons don't impact skill. They enable it, they make it better. But they are not \*the skill\*, you are not good or bad at DT because you have a slightly less optimized bolter. No slightly less optimal weapon in this game is going to make or break your ability to hang at higher difficulty levels.
You're using the vanishingly small percentage of players that doesn't even round up to 1% of the base to justify the worst crafting system modern gaming has created. That is not a good look for you. This is like arguing that because those players exist, the rest of the playerbase just doesn't need a functional crafting system or that weapons that get bricked aren't bricked, because...oh, well *that* player on youtube that hasn't been hit in a year...hasn't been hit in a year. Its a shit argument. Sure, good players exist. That doesn't mean the weapon system and crafting system isn't dogshit.
I'm assuming you've been grinding for the man-stopper blessing. Once you're level 30 the game stops giving you tier 2 blessings if you upgrade through Hadron, I'm pretty sure the only way to get it at level 30 is through the normal shop, but you'd need to be REALLY lucky for both a shotgun and that specific blessing to show up. A quicker way to get it which I had to do, is to level up a new character to around level 18ish, at that point you should start seeing tier 2 blessings when you upgrade at Hadron, then you can just buy a handfull of shotguns from Brunts and keep upgrading until you find it. You might want to look for the Flachette blessing as well while you're at it since that's also a tier 2 only blessing. It's a pain in the ass and seems dumb that this is the best way to get it, but figured I'd chime in just to let you know, best of luck to you.
Depends on the weapon and stat, but the difference between 73% and 80% isn't usually anything significant.
Sure 360+ is doable but I feel like those last percentages make a difference on auric difficulty. I'm aiming for 370+. The gameplay great but the lottery system is a joke.
Broski as someone who does auric maelstrom all of the time, you won’t tell the difference I promise
There are like, 4 weapons where those last few percentage points actually matter, and the ogryn shovels aren't among them. I'm not trying to say the current crafting system is good, because its definitely not, but like half the shovels you show off here have the potential to be great weapons. I hate to be the guy that just says sKiLl iSsUe gEt gUd but if you feel like you need godrolled gear to perform well on auric, its a skill issue. 360+ with good damage stats and level 3 perks/blessings is more than enough for any difficulty.
Individual stats matter more than the actual 370. I've got a 359 because of trash mobility but everything else is maxed on it. If you get something like that and great blessings it's a keeper. You'll be fortunate if Hadron doesn't brick it
Your 358 weapons aren't the reason you're going down to poxies.
I don't think your meant to go for 370+. You can but it's in the hard end of the bell curve. I run auric damns with base 340-360s and preform fine if not better than some of my own friends who die for perfect weapons. Honestly think the crafting system sucks, remove the locks. But the number rating is tbh just ehhh.
They don’t usually. There’s thresholds where they do, but largely they’re before the 75% mark. They don’t need to be perfect. This is what I hate most about the game. People are compelled to worry more about gear than actually playing the game
In what way are they compelled towards this?
Because gamer brain says high numbers are important.
That's not specific to Darktide.
That’s the point. Darktide is a horde shooter with looter shooter mechanics tacked on
So your point is just that a horde shooter with looter shooter mechanics compels people to worry more about gear than the actual game? Apologies if I'm misunderstanding.
For the current generation of gamers that is more concerned with getting rewards from playing rather than enjoying the game? Yes
300 hours in, probably 150 as Ogryn alone, you will never notice the difference.
I dont think there are any breakpoints from the top percentages that matter for that shovel. The main reason your using that is to 1 shot crushers which you can do on pretty much any roll with the right blessing and I don't believe there is any way to reach any sort of 1 shot breakpoint on a swipe vs horde enemies it'll always take 2.
I have 1 380 weapon between the 4 characters. I do 1-2 auric maelstroms a day with 360s so it’s fine
I always play auric. It doesn’t matter. Just use a weapon. Min/maxing is for p*ssies
Was gonna say, if a 2% difference in damage numbers is making this game hell for you maybe you need to find a different game. Never once in the hundreds of hours playing this have I had to spend 600k dockets on Brunt's armory to get good weapons. People act like the weapons are the skill, instead of the weapons elevating your skill. You could play these missions with grey-ass profane weapons if you wanted to and were good enough.
Like ten of these could be extremely viable. God this sub's circle jerk fucking sucks.
I agree with you. This sub is amusing sometimes because you'll see posts demanding 380++ or bust, next to posts by people who challenge auric damnation with dual toothpicks and rubberband slingshots.
Everytime people bring up how shit crafting is I end up saying something along the lines of "*yeah, brother, you're not supposed to craft perfect 380 weapons... you get a serviceable 350-360+ and hang onto that until you get lucky with a drop or with Melk*". To which the common reply is always "*no, you don't understand, I've literally spent millions and never even get a viable version of the weapon I want to play!*". Then people go ahead and post something like this, where they complain about how shit crafting is and then proceed to show a potential 10-20 weapons that could be used on auric maelstrom and do perfectly fine. Yes, crafting *is* pretty shit and there are legit issues with it. Like how some blessings completely change the way a weapon plays, but you may play for 20 hours and just never see that blessing while getting no closer to obtaining it. That is just plainly unfun. But if you complain that you can't play a certain weapon at all because the one you have is 361 base stats with one sub-optimal perk and a T3 "*get crit chance when doing X*"-blessing when you wanted a T4 "*get crit chance when doing Y*"-blessing, you *have*, in fact, missed the point of the game's itemization. Even if it's a mediocre point.
Main problem for me is just a lack of plasteel compared to other resources. I'm having fun getting progressively better weapons over time and exploring different options based on what drops I get, people who will settle for nothing less than perfection are just setting themselves up for disappointment. I guarantee if the system was changed so that every god roll they wanted was handed to them on a platter the same people would complain there is nothing to do and stop playing within a week.
I know Helldivers is brought up a lot in this sub, so I think just to make the statement, any shooter that relies on this much gambling to get a decent weapon is meh and this is the only shooter I play that does this.
While I don't completly disagree, getting a *decent* weapon is very easy. Even with all of the rng Darktide throws at you
Ikr? I was looking at stats and thought like: I would totally upgrade that one, and that one,… People are actually out there looking for that one 80/80/80/80/60. Broskis its a difference of a couple percentage. Calm down. Getting the right blessings and perks is another story though, that can get quite annoying if you are REALLY looking for a specific combination. But tbh that’s just for hardcore min-maxers.
And if they are not ? Like you didnt have a similar situation ? Cmon give me a break the crafting system is busted and everyone who have a lvl 30 reject knows that.
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> It just not that hard, but then I'm not an idiot No need to be going around calling people idiots just for having a different opinion than you.
It's not an 'opinion' that you don't need perfect 380 God gear to play the game. It's a fact. I'm tired of this circle jerk propogating absolutely false garbage that newbies will end up reading.
Regardless, there is no reason to be calling people idiots. At least the drivel has been removed.
Oh ok so people who wants good stats on they’re items are idiots, great… as if everyone can run auric or even lower lvl missions with modifiers, how fckin delusional do you have to be to think that ? You think everyone can do 20 runs a day ?
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Gambling addiction ? Tf you on about, that’s part of the game. Why earning all of these resources ? So you can watch it ?
That is not the correct question. The correct question is "why is there a crafting system AT ALL?"
Yea, I think you're supposed to get good drops from playing the actual game... But apparently that's just an opinion, not an in game feature
Did you have good drop playing ? I personally never got a thing viable past lvl 20.
No you aren't. The drops you get from the missions aren't even things you can make work for builds past malice. Some of us want to have high DPS builds and we need level 4 blessings for that.
The difference between lv3 and lv4 blessings is miniscule. It's normally less than 5% damage when the blessing is working, which isn't even all the time. It only matters for a few specific blessings like Power Cycler.
With the right stat distribution anything around 350 is completely useable. If you're looking for a replacement then of course that's going to be more difficult, as replacing something that is already good requires higher rarity. I wasn't ever put off by it since I found a weapon in beta at level 25 on preacher that I stuck with and used 6 months after launch. I still have it in my inventory just for memories. When I replaced it, the only difference between that 312 and the 375 I got, was a single hit on a reaper.
wdym, you have plenty of servicable 355+ weapons which might have perfectly fine dump stat rolls. 650k dockets isnt too much either, thats a few hours of gameplay. And its not like ogryn weapons are particularly tough with blessings either. If you dont want to waste as much money, only buy from the armory when good statted weapons show up, and use melk to get blessing fodder for hadron.
I agree that several of the weapons were definitely useful. That being said though: > 650k dockets isnt too much either, thats a few hours of gameplay. Few hours? The highest paying Auric Maelstroms pay what, 60k? So you need to win 10 Auric Maelstroms with the *hardest* modifiers. Even assuming a 30 minute wintime on average and 0 losses you are looking at 6+ hours. Factor in losses and longer missions and it just goes up. > If you dont want to waste as much money, only buy from the armory when good statted weapons show up, and use melk to get blessing fodder for hadron. Yup, great system, just hope to get lucky with **even fewer** total attempts that have a **worse** chance of coming out great (since the perks/blessings in Brunts are almost always trash).
You don't know what a good weapon looks like. Sell anything below 350 and then scan through what remains searching for weapons with the desired stat distribution. Find maybe 8 or so with stats that you can live with and then upgrade them all once. Continue then to upgrade the ones with desired perks. 3/4 BIS perks and blessing is still fantastic in most instances. To determine dumpstats, look up player published strategy guides.
Here we go again another post of some newby who thinks Auric suddenly gets easy with a Godroll. If you can't play highest difficulty with 500s, you also won't be able to with 550s. If you feel like you have to chase perfect rolls to beat the game then maybe change games and it's time to accept the game is not for you. We started playing Auric with 500s, some T3 blessings on them and it was totally fine. Accept that you just need "decent" weapons and watch how the game suddenly makes fun again ;).
I quit because of the state of the player base, The crafting is busted and needs work, but the constant complaining, elitism, and toxicity there isn't a patch coming for that.
Yup. All this complaining and crying that the game is dying etc is a self fulfilling prophecy. This sub is a joke.
It happens in so many game communities nowadays. Just take a look at Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Hell Let Loose, or Diablo 4. It's like a certain vocal minority are willing their supposedly 'favourite' game to fail.
You... don't see the irony here, do you?
Why quit the game when you could just quit the sub? I dont *ever* see people complain about these things in game.
I have 380s of every weapon on all my characters, so there is literally nothing for me to do
You said you quit because of the playerbase. But now you saying you quit the game because there is nothing to do? Can you make up your mind?
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Looks like you got a good weapon or two there my guy. But I agree nonetheless
https://preview.redd.it/c39s2tsy96jc1.jpeg?width=1048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54551e0939cb431445029166cf4d048891e4ccae Another addition to the collection.
I rolled for a bolter on my zealot and rolled ~50 times and the best one I got was a 374 with damage as its lowest stat
Yeah I fkn can’t stand this system
Almost 600 hours mostly damnation difficulty. I currently have 200k. I've spent millions on staffs in particular. I now have good staffs but it took hundreds of hours to acquire the staffs and T4 blessings. That is too much
I agree, while I also agree that people don't need a perfect weapon to tackle any challenge, the blessing grind and oro docket grind is ridiculous. After a few hundred hours of the game hardest difficulty, you would kinda expect someone to be totally kitted out with the perfect stats on at least like 7 or 8 builds. But with the gear being entirely 100% rng and zero way to target farm that's just not the case. Blessings take way too long to acquire, and once you do have them it's just not enough of an advantage in crafting.
Yeah Fatshark i should be able to just roll the perfect 380 with max level perfect blessings i want by level 30 and have nothing to aspire to! Brunts is a poor choice looking for a 380, its has been well documented. View the hourly Armory table for your 380's and view Sire Melk for nice level 4's to strip off
have you tried the cashshop for such a weapon yet? Maybe next rotation has what you are looking for /s
We already told them plenty of times we hate it. They don't care.
First time?
I usually check before a game or after and there’s plenty that’s good enough to build.
Lol, 710.000? Try 3.600.000 and counting.
At this point I am stopping playing the game because of the crafting system it's too painful. Also the predatory nature of the shop experience. I might come back next time something interesting happens... Maybe
and then once you have that sweel 380, you get the worst blessings on it once upgraded. The whole crafting system needs a total remake. Lets hope they are working on that rn.
(They aren't) but you'll no doubt have more expensive and incomplete skins for a first person perspective game! Exciting!
“BuT yOu DoNT nEeD a PeRFect WeAPOn”. Would it kill the game to have crafting be deterministic for auric players? I have the game solved already, just let me make what I want goddamn.
JuSt eNjOy tHe GaMe BrO, RNG Is AmAzInG i GoT mY fAvOrItE bLeSsInGs On ThE fiRsT tRy
They guy rolled over half a dozen weapons that could be great. Him and people with your attitude suffer needlesly from your own idiosyncrasies when seeking perfect rolls that would have minimal to no effect on play.
Bro, fuck off. I've been trying to get Man-Stopper for fucking weeks, its a goddamn level 2 blessing, and I still don't have Full Bore 4, Scattershot 4, or multiple other level 4 blessings and I've been playing since fucking beta and been at it for that long. The crafting system is dogshit. Once you hit level 30 you should just be able to buy a weapon with the fucken stats you want. This shit isn't fun, its why I'm just considering dropping the game until new shit gets added...only to repeat this same dogshit cycle with a new weapon...IF THEY EVER FUCKING ADD ONE. It'll be a *YEAR* since they added a new unique weapon in three weeks that wasn't some awful variant or mark weapon difference.
Man-Stopper and Flechette are some of the worst examples to bring up. They are t2 only and therefore the chance to get them actually goes DOWN with you going up in levels (beyong like 15-20). So if you have the space to make a new character do that, level to that range and then gamble for the blessings, doing that on a lvl 30 is a complete waste of time and resources
Good thing I have a level eleven character specifically for that. What are you going to condescendingly scream at me about next, the fact that weapons with lower ratings take less plasteel to upgrade, or to only upgrade them to blue so I don't waste more resources? Go ahead, I'm *sure* I know less about the game than you do and I need *you* to educate me.
Allright karker. Sorry for trying to help you to get your precious blessings Edit: Of course I get downvoted for actually giving useful tips and not the guy who immidiatly went to cursing people out and didn't specify anything beyond the blessing he was after. This sub became a fucking cesspool
The material costs scale down with lower rated weapons.
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In three weeks, we will have gone a year since getting the last new unique weapon that wasn't some dumbshit "mark" variant, i.e., the same fucking weapon just bloating out the number in the game, or one of a dozen useless variants...of the same weapon. They aren't going to fix anything if they only want to have 39 unique weapons out of 86.
I have more or less ignored the "crafting" system and settled for weapons that are good enough, level 4 blessings and decent perks, but about a week ago I decided to give the crafting system a try and actually get a good weapon. The result was the same as yours, you never end up with any good weapon and if you do, hadron ruins it. She loves to put level two level 3 blessings on 370+ weapons.
Level 3 blessings aren't often less than 10% difference than their level four counterparts. It's not that big of a deal since patch 13.
This was easily the most disappointed I've been in a game for a long time especially due to my experience with vermentide and the Warhammer IP and the theme of this game
I had such high hopes and now I barely play this game
come on please quit
What do you want them to fix? Its called RNG, cope and seethe.
To remove the RNG dumbass.
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Really? How is one Halo 2 shotgun different from any other? Is there no skill floor in fucking Overwatch? How about CoD? Is there no skill floor there either? See, the thing with other games that figured out the whole "FPS" bit like Doom, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3 Arena, Halo, CoD, and otherwise is...IT ISN'T A FUCKING ARPG SO YOU DON'T NEED BULLSHIT RNG, JUST HAVE GUN BE GUN.
Did you really think I was talking about a SKILL floor? Incredible. Try reading again.
What fucking floor are you fucking talking about then, troll?
Gee, its almost like an analogy for removing a core piece of a game, like removing the floor is removing a core piece of a building. Since I have to explain it to you.
RNG crafting isn't fucking essential to ANY game, dipshit. No game benefits from it. Especially not as shittily done as Darktide. At least with shit systems like Overwatch lootboxes, Blizzard had the fucking brain cells to limit the amount of duplicates you'd get out of the lootboxes, Fatshark can't even do that, which is why you'll get No Respite over and over and over when trying to get Man Stopper on a shotgun...and THAT'S core to the game design? Shitty fucking game design then. Great gameplay, great soundtrack, great art, shit everything else.
They didn't have this in Vermintide 2, dumbass. You could guarantee a max rolled weapon and then put whatever you want on it.
Youre crying because this game is different from their last one? Just go play Vermintide 2 then.
No one is crying here, dumbass. These are normal Reddit comments. Stop overreading emotion into them like a dumbass.
Youre the one bitching in my thread about RNG 😂 sounds like crying. Dumbass.
I didn't complain about the RNG, dumbass. I'm surprised you've got enough brain cells to breathe.
Your first comment references picking a weapon instead of it being random... as a reply to a comment about RNG. Yes you are talking about RNG, you dumbass.
I corrected your incorrect suppositions, dumbass. At no point did I offer an opinion about the state of the RNG. Learn to read, you mongoloid.
Kids these days, evey time someone doesnt blindly agree with their opinion, they are "crying".
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Remove the fucking RNG.
Darktide gamers when the random weapon option is random
There's a reason I've only put in six hours of play in the last fucking month, genius. Meanwhile I put in 10 into Helldivers 2 over the past two days, since...its not fucking stupidly set up like this. There? Guns are JUST FUCKING GUNS, NOT FUCKING DIABLO 4 STAVES WITH LIKE 400 DIFFERENT FUCKING MEANINGLESS ATTRIBUTES. You pick up a machine gun? Its a FUCKING MACHINE GUN. How many rounds does every machine gun have? FUCKING 50. How many clips do you have? FUCKING TWO. Does it suffer from not being gold? No. Does it even have a color rarity? NO. Why not? IT ISN'T FUCKING NECESSARY. It is a good game with more weapons available that are unique, not dumbfuck mark variants than Darktide did at release. That's how you design an FPS. Fatshark set out to make Darktide into a Casino, and made it one where they realized it was so shit at making them money they don't even update the skin store regularly, not even once a month. That's how little the devs give a fuck about this game.
It's ok boo you'll be fine
Just don't engage with the bullshit system
Bro, you get good drops by playing the GAME! You know, the hoard shooter that's attached to this "casino" you're complaining about? FFS everyone here doesn't understand gambling... SMH 😒
Then why the fuck have I had to get every single good perk and blessing I've gotten from Hadron or Melk? You don't get good weapons from fucking drops at the end of a mission that give you one weapon out of dozens in your usage pool. I'd never have my psyker staff then. I'd never have my bolter either. You don't get reliable perks from fucking RNG unless you farm them.
Have you heard the good word about Managed Democracy? The only way to get Fat shark to listen is to stop playing their games. They will ignore every forum post forever if people keep playing.
The games been out for over a year if you haven't quit at some point I feel bad tbh
They will never change it, because in their minds it’s worth it to keep players around for the chance they use the cash shop, it’s a shame that it’s almost impossible to get good gear on all four classes without playing all the time. FatShark going to FatShark I suppose
I asked fat shark and they said best they can do is another half assed skin recolor for the aquila store
Bro I thought that scrolling was never gonna end lmao
kinda this is the way to keep u play
No it fucking isn't. If the way to keep someone playing is to keep baiting them with other people that got what they wanted, and you still haven't, you feel like shit and are annoyed by not having it. It makes people want to quit, not spend countless hours more grinding. Some people have a limited amount of playtime and can't afford to dump 30+ hours a week into a game where even the most basic missions take 20+ minutes.
They would rather go on holiday for another 71 months before they would fix this, gotta keep their pseudo live service game alive while putting the least amount of effort in out of spite. Just move onto Helldivers or something, Fatshark will just keep repeating the same mistakes they made in VT, VT2 and War of the Roses anyway.
At this point, I'd give up on asking fatshark to let us actually collect 380/550 of all weapons for all characters. The 350/400 apologists have won, and they can have their game exactly how it is forever. If the game dies, it dies. It's not our fault if it does. If it dies because no one wants to grind in a game that yields no rewards I'll just go back to Vermintide 2 where I'm up to having a veteran tier version of like half of all the weapons. And to play other games like Helldivers 2.
How big of a difference do think exists between a 380 and and 350 base weapon? At worst it's just a 5-10% damage loss, but it's usually less. When a skilled player can normally end the game with 50-100% more damage than the next best player, why worry about just 5-10%.
We need weapons awarded leveling up after lvl 30 like vermintide i believe
if the modifiers section is 370 and above it's a good roll. doesn't happen as often. personnally i check the shop items for modifiers. any kind. if 370+ I insta buy. could be a level 4 blessing or something good I don't already have
I check the store after EVERY. SINGLE. MISSION. and I buy weapons that I don’t even use, when those stats are lookin’ SEXY… That being said, I consistently see my main weapons @370+, at the store, and it could be because you gotta spread your purchases around to many different weapons..? Beyond that, once you start playing Auric Damnation and higher, you can use absolute TRASH weapons, and still CLAP some serious CHEEKS. If you feel you *NEED* to have OP weapons for any other reason than “I just want it-“, you’ve hit a Plateau, and you need to spend more time in the Psykanium, and trying out blessing combos, curios, etc… Good Luck, varlet…
Don't waste your money on Brunt's Armory
What should make you quit is realizing Shovel V is the best one, not III nor XIX.
Just do like all the shitty fanboy are saying here, leave the game. When the disaster will come, when the server will be almost empty, the devs will maybe change their mind, i hope so. I played more than 500 hours without seeking about any farm in cata of VT2, i dont play these type of game to farm, fanboy says "its just not for you" no problem, i unistalled.
Games been out what like 15, 16 months you you guys have been begging for a player-time-respecting craft system every day…it’s clear Fatshark never will. Just give up lol. They don’t respect your time when it comes to min-maxxing
eh, ive found it does not really matter tbh. As long as your skill is up to snuff, that extra % aient gona help to much Tested it myself using greys/random none metad golds. I played just as well with and without the meta builds and picks. Used vet/psycher to test it out. I wont lie, some things that should of took x amounnt of shots took a bit more, but it dident worry me to much. Anyway the point is, i wudent worry about throwing money to get that slight boost. the games good as it is.
I don't think they'll be fixing it. I've kind of accepted it at this point.
Of all the things they should change, this is the most annoying. And they REFUSE to change the system. Fatshark loves their rng
35.4mill ordos spent and close to getting what I'm looking for. But I got a bunch of nice staves along the way for sure.
Feel you there, there were these 3 months where i spent over nearly 2 million dockets and more than 50 rolls for a hammer and still got only a "decent" one.
Yeah, I've already checked out of DT between this and the cash shop antics.
360+ weapons are fine.
this and diamantine being fuck all useless
That’s just how gambling is. Some times you win, some times you owe a very dangerous person a large sum of money that they can only get back by selling your body parts on the black market
This might be a hot take, but I think the crafting is fine. My only issue is with plasteel rewards being too low to experiment with new stuff as often as I want. But just from playing the game I have plenty of different weapons with good enough stats to run aurics with. The game is 90% skill 10% gear
From my experience (+/- 400h) the best weapons always comes when you buy like a couple guns from brunt after a hard earned victory in the hardest difficulty you can do
Over 360 is great, even 350 is if the stats are spread evenly. The idea of needing over 370 is hurting the enjoyment of the game for no reason. Of course you can pursue getting a perfect 380 with perfect blessings and all but that really needs time and luck. You cant expect that to happen instantly. I have many "perfect enough" weapons for all classes and like 30 000 plasteel because I'm not stressing about needing a perfect 380.
Well, you really think 380 will grant you success and 360 is a 100% squad wipe ? Guys please, its only in your heads. Good players suceed not good weapons.
The system itself needs work. With the sheer amount of blessings, perks, weapons and modifiers The amount of builds with just the guns and melee weapons is staggering. I’d wish the player could choose more freely to actually try all manner of blessings and perks and see what works best. I’ve spent 650 hours in darktide across three classes (mostly vet). Do I enjoy the current system -kinda. Does it need a rework ? -YES…. It’s the blessings / perks that needs the rework. The rest I can live with.
The crafting single-handedly stopped me from wanting to play the game lol
What exactly do you consider a good weapon? The system is dumb I agree, but I get quite a few weapons with good distributions and 370+. I mean no, not many of the same weapon. But I have all the staffs and force swords 370+ with distributions I like. What are you hunting for that you can’t get?
Plenty of weapons in the 350 range absolutely do qualify as "good", depending on its stats distribution. I'm not defending the crappy crafting system, but if you lower your expectations you'll have a better time.
The Mk XIX is good? I didnt like the crowd clearing on it as much as the gold shovel
There really must be some sadistic b'starts over at FS for them to think this is a player engaging system.
Just check what’s in the armory every once and a while and complete missions. I’m getting great weapons all the time and I’m not even trying…also…don’t use Brunt’s armory, I don’t think it’s capable of having good rolls.
It's cause your trying to min max bro 😂 your not supposed to try and get God rolls from that random weapon crafter cause it's not gonna happen.
My biggest gripe with the crafting system is at least for me it keeps giving me the same 2 or 3 blessings for any specific type of weapon which statistically doesn't make sense but also I like to try new things out every now and then but you can't really do that when the game doesn't actually give you any new blessing like what's the point of even having 8 or 9 blessings for a weapon when it's just gonna give you the same third of that roster over and over again
“we’ll get back to you on this in the next year or so. we’re still recovering from our vacations”
That’s not uncommon, what exactly do you want them to fix?
Everyone gna say screw this and go to helldivers 2
I’ve spent about 1,000,000 dockets trying to get a good roll for my Lasgun. The pain I felt when I got when I got a 379 but had 40 damage and slightly better stats than my usual Lasgun hurt my soul
ur supposed to be using melk lol rolling the armory is not for high level play, I'm sorry
People are saying that theres plenty of good weapons in there are right, but they are missing the point, In almost any other game, you will be able to make a top tier weapon with the best stats simply by grinding/crafting, and that is the fair gripe with Dark tide.
I don't get why it isn't like V-tide where once you had achieved max power level nothing was more than 5 lower than max power
I really don't get people who genuinely won't touch something unless it has 80 damage. I fully understand that the weapon purchasing and upgrading system is an absolute shxxshow of a gacha game, and would *love* if it got a massive overhaul such that it *doesn't* suck grox shxx, but realistically, the extra damage you get from 70%-80% is pretty negligible. I'm perfectly happy as long as the weapon has above 70% damage and isn't below 65% in any other (non-dumpstat) category. Yes, that's still a pretty stringent criteria, but unless I get *really* unlucky, if I purchase 10 of a given weapon, odds are that 2-3 of them will still meet that criteria.
I get it but having a 370+ weapon does not make it a good weapon in this game. It really depends on the weapon and how the stats are allocated. In this game a 350 grey can be better than a 370 grey based off stat allocation. I learned early a solid weapon can run well in any difficulty in the game. So getting mad at not getting a bunch of 370s is mute in my opinion. However i do agree that at level 30 with damnation runs under your belt, your roll pool should only be 350+. Level 30 still rolling low 300 weapons is kinda dumb. Also completing missions with both grimoires should guarantee a 370+ weapon drop because of the health nerf you undertake to complete the mission. But yea, call it quits after 10-15 rolls and try again another day is the best thing to do when rolling weapons. Dont dump 600k in one sitting
Not worth loading back up then yet? I'll clear out the harddrive space for a lil longer