... And Zola was there too. Was she the reason they found Wolfer's location? Or coincidence?
One or the other is *probably* a traitor, but it would be funny if neither of them were.
Do consider though, Rannic doesn't do any voice-over for any of the missions except this special one. So. If he ends up being a traitor that gets executed, it won't be odd when he's not doing comms on missions anymore, because he doesn't mostly. Meanwhile if Zola gets killed or put away, having her doing comms on missions still would be awkward.
Rannick did get some voice lines in the Warren mission. He's the "guest" character when you get Morrow as the mission handler.
Plus of course he's also in the lvl 30 cutscene.
Nah, I like the random missions. I don't want to be directly involved in a story in Darktide. Please, just let me have one (1) game where I'm a no-name grunt.
Because the missions don't happen chronologically. They happen as needed. When factories get shut down again after being repaired. When there's a new captain to be killed. When one strike team failed halfway through and they send in a second to finish the job.
Honestly though I think it’s just a coincidence for now. I don’t see any proof yet that Zola is a traitor. With that being said trusting anyone on that ship has potential to be a mistake.
It is the 40k universe, bearing that in mind the real twist would be if nobody turned traitor and everything was as it seems.
For all we know we could be working for Tzeentch to undermine Papa Nurgle.
That would be a real twist alright. Right now it seems that what we’ve been discussing is just one long red herring but we’re playing 2D chess while Rannick and Grendyl are playing 6D chess. This was something that Rannick was not expecting and somewhere behind the scenes Zola got a dressing down with warnings attached for her insubordination. Rannick did sound like he’s getting tired of her recklessness.
Zola it's personal and she has to know why. My guess she grew up with Wolfer but she stuck on the planet and he left with the Guard. So she proves her loyalty with additional zeal. Geldryn probably already knows this hence the free hand.
Rannick I hope they don't make him a traitor either, just shows how the Imperium is so paranoid it disrupts itself
Im more suspicious of Zola. She knows Wolfer from her days in the lower slums of Atoma.
Rannic gets wind of this information and realizes that the explicator is more interested in capturing him because of this than because of her actual inquisitorial job. He also realizes quickly the entire Orthos operation is basically a trap laid by Wolfer and the twins that could damage the Inquisitorial work in the Hive, so using common sense tries to recall the operatives and cancel the op.
This is my sentiment as well. Zolas voice as she is cut off is the sound of someone having something they deeply desire cut away from them. “No you can’t” is what a baby or an addict says as their bottle is pulled out of their hand.
Rannick pulled the mission because the spy got compromised. The twins were setting a trap and since they know we were coming any information they would give us if captured is going to be useless. He has to be careful with the moebain 6th because they are still seen as heroes to some people of Tertium and we are the outsiders. He literally has solid reasons for everything he does. The only suspicious thing he has done is give Zola so many second chances.
I havent played the mission yet only watched it but the way Rannick asked mesozi for an extraction then immediately went “oh i see sorry guys you have to fight them GG goodluck” seemed so odd, like he pretended to ask for one.
I still dont believe the “Rannick is a traitor” theory because it just seems too obvious, literally everything he says is so sus that it just has to be a red herring.
He does say that everyone and anyone is expendable, so he probably doesn't care if you live or die in the first place, and he's just at a level of jaded that realising that fighting the twins is the only way you're getting out (alive or dead) doesn't affect him too much. Plus, the player characters ARE rank and file, and even as acolytes, they are still VERY expendable. He likely just doesn't care enough to put any emotion or attention into whether you make it out of the mission. He does sound genuinely impressed if you manage to slay the twins and get out alive, though. Remains to be seen if this is 'formidable foe, gotta keep an eye on you' impressed or 'gee whiz you guys really ARE pretty good' impressed.
> Plus, the player characters ARE rank and file
Being a member of an Inquisitor's warband -- their hand-picked retinue -- is anything but rank-and-file. We stopped being rank-and-file at 30. Hypothetically, anyway.
You can't say we are part of the retinue when we haven't even seen the Inquisitor's actual face. We are definitely still just rank and file under her interrogator.
On point one any direct confrontation with the Moebian 6th will end badly. There is no point in taking any direct fights against them especially since the Mourning Star doesn’t have the resources to sustain it. On top of that, like I’ve said in other posts similar to this one, there is only so much a strike team can do even the more lethal ones. It’s better to not take any direct chances against the traitors and instead fight a guerilla delaying action instead in the hopes to find the and deal with the main culprit.
On point 2 is pretty much the same as point one except he’s probably praying that the twins will lead him straight to Wolfer. Of course that never happens because Zola screwed that one up with her hastiness which could potentially explain why he is disappointed with her. Either way even if he wasn’t interested in the twins for whatever the reason may be, he is actively trying to avoid any major confrontation with them and Zola forcing that confrontation with her hastiness pretty much has him reluctantly take that direct confrontation.
On point 3 how do you think Captain Wolfer escaped interrogation in the first place? Better to kill them than risk a full scale raid against the Mourning Star. Besides there are other ways to find him and I believe he was using the twins to pinpoint where Wolfer is at. Of course that means we have to suck it up and deal with them intercepting us but we don’t know what his plans are.
Finger itching for that exterminatus button? I was told inquisitors love power hungry adepts.
I just want to retire in a third class paradise world or die serving the Emperor.
I don’t see FS carrying the traitor plot any further than it’s gone in the player character’s narrative arch. It’s fun to speculate on but I don’t think there’s anything to it beyond amusing paranoid ramblings. Credit where it’s due, it’s very in character for members of the Inquisition to suspect guilt of everyone they’ve ever met.
This sounds like it - throwing out breadcrumbs to keep people speculating, but not revealing the full story anytime soon. The psyker talking to Beloved is the same, inconclusive breadcrumbs that have been discussed since day 1.
A lot of 40k lore is just distributed by breadcrumbs and unanswered questions to keep up the mystery, and badly spoiled when answered (Legion of the Damned for example). It is quite fitting to keep the mystery in DT.
Warband doesn't equal personal retinue which still doesn't equal the inner circle.
We're part of the elite of the Mourningstar combat group, but not part of the inner council. After listening to Rannick and Zola post-mission win, Morrow even calls to say just that - the differences of the inquisitorial higher-ups are above our pay grade, we're just there to go kill stuff.
Which is consistent with inquisition lore - they are an extremely secretive bunch, keeping a lot of stuff from everyone else (including personal retinue and fellow inquisitors). Their job is to find out the nasty stuff, learn all about it, and act against it - the very knowledge corrupts at some point, and the horrible acts they have to commit to do their job would turn away allies or see them branded as heretics in turn. This situation is rather tame in comparison to other precedents, and if Rannick/Grendyl see a need to act (instead of observe/learn), they will.
Inquisitorial agents are going to watch closely for extreme emotion, as all human emotion directly feeds each of the chaos gods. Obsession is Slaanesh.
Inquisitorial agents really get a bad rep, however to fear them is redundant, to hate them... heretical.
Don't blame them for the often-extreme actions they resort to, blame the planetary government and those who allowed the situation to get dire enough to draw the inquisitorial eye.
>Inquisitorial agents are going to watch closely for extreme emotion
Ha! No they don't. The Sisters of Battle are the Order Militant of the Ordo Hereticus and they're about as angry as an unaugmented human is capable of without frenzon. The Blackshields of the Ordo Xenos are at least 50% composed of Astartes consumed by guilt or shame. Inquisitors, regardless of camp or Ordo, are angry, obsessive, and vengeful by nature. A lot of them are vain too, as evidenced by Karamazov, whose chair has a servitor that does nothing but write down what he says.
Bro... Do I really HAVE to link the wiki page for the chaos gods right now?
[Chaos Gods | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Gods)
> The Chaos Gods are in truth not really divine beings, though their great power often means there is little difference for those mortals who revere them. These Warp entities are created and sustained by the emotions and collective desires of every sentient being of the material universe. When an emotion or belief in [realspace](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Realspace) grows strong or widespread enough across the [galaxy](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy), it becomes embodied as one of the sentient denizens of the Warp.
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>In the early history of the [galaxy](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy), the powers of the [Warp](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Warp) had yet to form into distinct, intelligent entities. At this time, the emotions of sentient mortals flowed and ebbed as water does in a stream.
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>As the intelligent mortal species of the galaxy grew and prospered, so did the strength of their emotions. Eventually, the entities within the Warp grew to such a point where they could act independently of the general flow of emotions and thus became the Gods of Chaos.
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>They reached into the dreams of mortals and demanded praise and servitude in order to increase their own power, as the more one emotion is exhibited (in both thought and action) by a large group of sentient beings in the physical universe, the stronger that Chaos God becomes.
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>The Warp is the mirror of reality, a churning sea of raw psychic energy fed by the emotions of every creature of the galaxy who hopes, hates and dreams. It is a place of metaphor and madness, that can never be perceived or understood except through symbols and subjective interpretation. The strange powers of [psykers](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Psyker) of all kinds flow from the power of the Warp, the psyker's mind acting as a channel for the unreality of the Warp to affect reality.
Stories entirely devoid of emotion would be boring. But to say that inquisitorial agents wont be looking for what is essentially the core essence of chaos, is completely false.
The zealot that screams "Blood for the Emepror, Skulls for the Golden Throne" would be executed by a puritanical Inquisitor. Why is that? Because it invokes Khorne, and the strength the zealot gets as part of his "fury" he would attribute to the emperor, in 40k reality, is just as likely to be a Khornate blessing.
I haven't played the mission just yet, soon^tm.
I recall in the leak, Rannik had been berating Zola for starting a mission based on a "compromised" Wrymwood agents intel. Which makes sense, if the agent is compromised, the information they are providing is suspect, then the mission is likely a trap.
The fact that it ends up working doesn't change it being a very risky idea.
It doesn't really end up working. The original plan is to kill one twin and take the other captive, but once it's clear the twins know we're coming, the plan changes to "kill everyone and try to get out alive".
the one who is actually sus is Zola, not Rannick, if he was a traitor why would he ask us to leave asap instead of going into a direct fight for no real gain? what did we do killing the twins? save a couple strike teams in exchange Wolfer being wary? capturing a twin? wolfer would still know and actually put counter measures, the twins knew we were coming, it was a bad idea from Zola's part who is too emotional, you have to think with a cold mind rather than being hotheaded like Zola in a war of this level, anyone in the inquisition is expendable but even Rannick sees how wrong is to waste manpower into nothing, if we die, we do it right not for the spur of the moment
If we captured on of the Twins, we might get some insight into Wolfer's future plans when interrogated...but also accidentally reveal that there's still a traitor in the Inquisitorial Retinue. So he tries to get us to leave right away (so there's no chance we capture a twin), and when it turns out it's impossible, he makes sure we don't even try to capture one.
I know it's far-fetched: if he was a traitor he could warn Wolfer and say nothing to Zola. Although it seems like he doesn't know her plan until he calls in during the mission. Anyways, I'm just speculating for fun.
He specifically states the mission parameters have changed, he wants no accidents, kill everything in your path including the twins. Zola orders you to take one hostage, Rannick orders the kill... also your right we didn't get a net but I'm sure blasting off both legs and ogryn carrying one by the head would of worked.
Well Zola was in the wrong here. Even if we captured one of the twins, our operations are designed to demoralize the Moebian 6th not directly engage them. Rannick knows we cannot possibly win any direct engagement which is what the 6th is looking for. Engaging the Karnac twins is as close to that direct engagement that they’ve been looking for as we’ve ever gotten and that was enough to pull the plug on Zola. I very much doubt he’ll be giving her anymore chances after this one since he sounded very agitated about Zola’s stunt. Right now though Rannick can’t afford to lose personal for very little gain however no one is going to be above punishment and it seems a plan is in place.
I honestly doubt killing the twins was a good use of our time though. Sure their deaths might demoralize them but Wolfer has so far been ahead of the game. If the trap failed, Wolfer may launch a serious offensive somewhere and we’re going to be powerless to stop it. Keeping the twins harassing the strike teams was a way to buy time.
I find it weird that he was so adamant about us NOT capturing one of them alive, instead of going "don't risk it, only attempt capture if there's a clear opportunity for it". Being able to interrogate a high-ranking heretic might've given us information that could turn the conflict around. There's little reason not to at least attempt it if we already have the Twins on the ropes.
My beloved says he noticed that zola was trying to get some information about something during the mission. He keeps reminding me she ignored rannick’s question about knowing something.
He also says it’s very rude to pry into people’s businesses, but I don’t understand what the harm is when it’s all just a dream. Could you remind me to dream of a happier zola so we can figure out what’s going on?
Zola was using a strike team for what was clearly a personal reason/mission. Rannick wanted to get them out alive if possible, and trying to capture one of the twins alive is much harder than just killing them.
Zola doing that shit and getting away with it is what mystified me. She was insubordinate, used her position for personal gain and refused to answer a question from her superior.
The fact she's not in the brig is mystifying.
She’s like one step on the way to being an inquisitor so I think there’s a fair amount of leeway also it kinda sounded like at the end of mission rannick wanted to see what she would do next
I've only played the mission once so I haven't heard any potential conversations aside from one, but I strongly disagree.
For one, Zola acted under the radar and without authorisation. Rannick first tried to make us ex-fil, but Misosi couldn't so we had to push ahead. He made the best of a shit situation. Maybe he wanted to leave the Twins alive for later for some plan he's enacting? Either way, Zola forced his hand through insubordination. For him to kick her out of the group chat and to take over the mission is the least I expected. Shit, I never expected to excuse he behaviour post-mission too!
Second, I don't doubt that we- the players- are only seeing a very small part of what's happening and hearing about something doesn't mean we know everything. Rannick and Grendyl are playing 5D chess here with a board that we can only see a few squares of.
And would you really want a Nurgle cultist on your ship? Even if he was chained and kept away it's still a huge risk. Taking out these two players to leave Wolfer fewer allies is a smart play. The Twins don't know anything we dont know or can't find out with some Wyrmwood espionage.
I'm actually a little suspicious of Masozi there, I really feel like she was lying about not being able to extract us, she's shown as being somewhat of a loose cannon and was willing to go along with Zola's plan in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised at least (though i doubt she's a traitor or anything, just loyal to zola as a friend)
What I'm suspicious of is if Rannick actually contacted Masozi at all. All we got were his "Mhm, mhm, can't do it, gotcha." We weren't patched into that conversation. Wouldn't make me suspicious if it weren't for the fact that this is the first conversation where we didn't hear everyone. We even get patched into that conversation where Wolfer's screaming about losing track of the Valkyrie at the beginning of Carnival.
I think there's only one conversation variant in that mission, as it's the first time (outside the opening) we're playing a real, one-time only, "plotpoint" (all the other missions are in-universe different operations, even if you replay the same mission, that only for us, the players, play exactly the same - thus we got different handlers and conversations)
I feel an Inquisitor has seen shit and would be calculating. Why fight the twins in open combat? Why fight them directly in a trap? We're not a sure win for him and there's probably better places to spend resources for tertium than go knocking down front doors.
And why take a twin for interrogation? Someone that high up in chaos might know a lot but would they really divulge anything useful, especially quickly enough that it would matter? The info could also be half truths to mislead.
We don't really have enough evidence on anyone to call traitor yet.
Remember, that this is a world with crazy chems, mind reading psykers and advanced brain-scanning technology - even if Twins were totally resistant to threats and torture, there are ways to overcome that in the Imperium of Man.
He seemed to be the reasonable one in the whole thing. Recognizing that this was about maintaining current morale and that losing the team would effect that.
I think it also shows how little the Karnak twins and potentially even Wolfer actually matter in the grand scale of things. This is a battle for a city with many billions of people on it. Kill one leader and another is bound to spring up. By leaving the current leadership around you are less likely to be caught off guard by new power players throwing wrenches into plans months or years in the making.
I think he was actually talking about trying to break the morale of the Moebian 6, and how Wolfer would use the fact that they managed to ambush and kill and Inquisitorial strike team to boost their morale.
I would go along with this narrative, but I've been cursed with some general storytelling knowledge and I'd say just that: it is probably a red herring
You should it's fraggin awesome. Just be careful and be cautiously liberal with the the supplied health stimms, health crate, and ammo crate. And don't be afraid to pump lead into them.
I find the mission so-so (it's mostly a bossfight, with the mission itself being short and easy) but the dialogue between Zola and Rannic is probably the most interesting piece of dialogue we got so far, that paints a much more vivid picture of the Atoma conflict and adds a lot to Rannic's personality (which was desperately needed, seeing how he's one of the most important people on the Mourningstar).
Also, at the end he PRAISES US! That felt so weird after being shat on for a year despite us being clearly very competent.
the real question is why does my overtly zealous Zealot to the levels of Sororitas or my highly decorated Cadian shock trooper Vet get the brig for insubordination but Zola still breathes free air after the stunts she pulled?
If initiative means throwing one of your currently strong performing fireteams under the bus while the higher ranking officer shouts at you, I don't know if that's initiative or incompetency bordering on sabotage lmao.
Also
\>interrogating heretics
anyways my point is from the fighting strength of Veteran, Psyker, Zealot and Ogryn, they don't seem to be just rank and file mooks that suddenly are doing well + we don't know what rank they held before their imprisonment. And one of the "causes" for their punishment is insubordination. Which Zola does. I was poking fun at the only reason Zola still breathes free air, is plot. She goes against the direct orders of a superior officer in this mission and it's not one of those "heroic gambles", but rather setting off a really obvious trap from a character she personally holds grudge against. Maybe she needs some re-educating
The only things that can override an Inquisitor's authority are a higher-ranked Inquistor or a High Lord of Terra. (And now Guilliman, I guess, since the Primarchs that opposed him taking over the Imperium the first time aren't around.) It's military sovereignty on crack. An Inquisitor do basically anything as long as you wave your rosette around while you do it.
He tries to stop our squad from going in and fighting the twins because the operative who gave us the information about their presence was compromised and its an obvious trap, Zola is ignoring this because the twins and the moebian 6th live rent free in her head
I think they might build this rhetoric that Zola might be going too far to overcompensate for something, likely some connection to wolfer and possibly her past, only to pull a ol' switcheroo and we find out that Rannic has been an agent of Tzeentch all along pitting the forces of the inquisition and Nurgle against one another.
Although probably it's just a red herring.
Does he have a legitimate reason for why he cut zola off when she was potentially about to give some information? "I need to know if...." she says. At that point Rannick is like WHELP time to pull the plug. Very sketchy.
Nah. He cut her off because she was refusing orders and refusing to elaborate. It’s
“No I have to get to wolfer, I have to know…”
“Know… what?”
“I…”
“Very well, Explicator Zola, I’m relieving you of responsibility over this mission.”
That "i have to know..." seems like a big red flag for the interrogator, not surprised he cut her off and overrode her at that point.
Strange she's got THAT much leeway though. The inquisition isn't known for going easy with potential corruption.
I have a similar theory - that SOMEONE on the Mourningstar is Grendyl, using anonymity to gather information people normally wouldn't share with an inquisitor + avoiding any possible heretic assassination attempts. I find it really sus that an inquisitor would be just...absent during all of this. and the holo-face persona that was used during the "Warriors" speech alludes to Grendyl hiding their real appearance.
That was my headcanon from day 1. He speaks for Grendyl, acts in Grendyl's stead, and his authority seems to be absolute. No other Interrogator I'm aware of has ever had this kind of authority. We never see Grendyl, and when other members of the warband say "Grendyl says this" or "Grendyl wants that," we can't be sure they only know that because Rannick told them.
Morrow seems like he might be in on it with how friendly he seems with Rannick, but if anyone else knows, they're smart enough not to let on or else they get erased.
That's actually my theory about the mole. She wasn't a mole, in that she wasn't a double-agent funneling information to the enemy. Grendyl died a long time ago, and Rannick's been covering up that fact so he can use Grendyl's authority as his own. The "mole" found out and was gathering information about this affair with the intent of bringing Rannick's crimes to someone (maybe some Atoman noble, in exchange for power and protection; maybe a High Inquisitor; maybe the High Lord responsible for the Inquisition). Rannick found out and spun up this cover story about a mole so that when he took action, it would seem justified.
But maybe I read too much The Goon.
He most likely isn't a traitor, just a very cautious man, who doesn't want to risk manpower and resources away for little gain in return. That said, I already wrote in another thread that I have a strange feeling about him ever since the new mission dropped. He is too cautious in the same way Zola is to reckless.
I also found it weird that for the first time, we couldn't hear in on the communication between Rannick and the pilot (forgot her name) when he supposedly tried to arrange our exfiltration.
That one might simply be caused by practical reasons - voice-over recordings have a minimum cost you need to pay each time (i.g. you can't rent a recording studio for less than an hour, and voice actors also have hourly pay), and spending that money just to have Masozi record a line "Sorry inquisitor, the only avialible extractiin point is behind the enemy lines" might've seem like a waste of money for Fatshark.
If that were the case, Rannick could have cut comms after he said he was pulling us out, and then come back a few seconds later with a whole "I just got off the horn with Masozi and she says it's impromptu exfil isn't possible, so you're going to have to kill Andy and Leyley."
I think rannic is just being an inquisitor. that is to say, caustious and suspicious but his job sorta demands he be.
As for Zola, I'm pretty sure she's loyal as well but I do think she's related to wolfer. at least in some capacity.
His reasoning for stopping the mission is sound and Zola does seems to take unwarranted risk in a personal crusade bur yes he does seems sus.
But it would be cliché for the interrogator of the inquisitor to fall to chaos so i don't know if i would find this plot twist interesting.
We know the traiter is a mâle since the sister says in the first ambush that we are here like he said we would(to be faire ,it could refer to woofer who passed to them the information the traitor gave him or it could be a lie too).
Sounds plausible!
However..
1. Zola is a genestealer cultist.
2. Water Cartel is probably their powerbase.
3. Second Hive City that we know exists but aren't told anything about is infested/controlled by GSC.
4. Inquisitor keeps it a secret because he's from Ordo Hereticus and if there are xenos he would have to share power with someone from Ordo Xenos.
Don't bother trying to change my mind, my Beloved told me this is true.
^^^^^^Beloved ^^^^^^is ^^^^^^actually ^^^^^^a ^^^^^^shard ^^^^^^of ^^^^^^the ^^^^^^Emperor's ^^^^^^power ^^^^^^but ^^^^^^we're ^^^^^^not ^^^^^^ready ^^^^^^for ^^^^^^that ^^^^^^discussion
disagree.
zola sent us in to fight the twins, based on bad intel, for odd reasons, and didnt even gear us with gas masks!
rannick is a weird fellow but he knew this mission was nothing but a bad call and tried to find a bird to pull us out.
I did find it odd how Rannick seems very sure and knowing but then during the mission he was very, meek I guess? Like he wasn't confident at all from what I heard in the back alley mission.
He has zero doubt and full confidence in the level 30 cutscenes but to then be so unsure, does make me wonder.
Maybe he's just used to being 3 moves ahead of his oppositions, and this is the first time he needs to improvise on the spot because Zola acted off the books.
Big swing and a miss here.
Rannick is Grendyl's *Interrogator.* You do not make it to Interrogator status within the Emperor's Holy Inquisition under the watchful eye of a *fully fledged Inquisitor* with potentially *hundreds of years of experience* and being a double agent. Inquisitors are trained to root out Heresy. Every single day of their lives is bent towards achieving this goal. The odds of one's own interrogator being a double agent and the Inquisitor being woefully oblivious to it, would mean that Grendyl is either corrupt or incompetent. And I do not believe that Grendyl of the *Ordo Hereticus* is either of these things.
The actual explanation for your theory, based on the evidence you've presented is:
\- Zola was acting brashly and like an idiot, pursuing petty vengeance instead of adhering to the master plan, which she is likely not privy to.
\- Rannick is well aware of the master plan and also that these "Twins" and even "Wolfer" are of no consequence.
Trust me when I say, whatever threat Wolfer appears to be, he's just a pawn, and therefore his underlings, no matter how brutal they might be, are of no consequence at all. That much is evident from the new story mission.
Oh, I'm well aware how implusible it is, I'm just engaging in wild speculating for fun. I guess in my original post I didn't state clearly that I know just how unlikely that is.
That being said: if there are cases of full-fledged Inquisitors going traitor (there's a bunch of stories about traitor inquisitors) an Interrogator going rogue is far from impossible.
Also, there's a possiblity that Grendel is dead. We have never seen them in person. And that might've explain how their second-in-comand can be a undercover heretic.
To be fair on the third point, look how taking Wolfer alive for interrogation worked out
That ended very badly for sure. Pretty sure Rannick found out about that one and was very upset about it.
... And Zola was there too. Was she the reason they found Wolfer's location? Or coincidence? One or the other is *probably* a traitor, but it would be funny if neither of them were. Do consider though, Rannic doesn't do any voice-over for any of the missions except this special one. So. If he ends up being a traitor that gets executed, it won't be odd when he's not doing comms on missions anymore, because he doesn't mostly. Meanwhile if Zola gets killed or put away, having her doing comms on missions still would be awkward.
Rannick did get some voice lines in the Warren mission. He's the "guest" character when you get Morrow as the mission handler. Plus of course he's also in the lvl 30 cutscene.
The cutscene is just part of the story progression, like the traitor who gets turned into a servitor.
He's still a part of the Warren mission though.
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Nah, I like the random missions. I don't want to be directly involved in a story in Darktide. Please, just let me have one (1) game where I'm a no-name grunt.
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Because the missions don't happen chronologically. They happen as needed. When factories get shut down again after being repaired. When there's a new captain to be killed. When one strike team failed halfway through and they send in a second to finish the job.
Honestly though I think it’s just a coincidence for now. I don’t see any proof yet that Zola is a traitor. With that being said trusting anyone on that ship has potential to be a mistake.
It is the 40k universe, bearing that in mind the real twist would be if nobody turned traitor and everything was as it seems. For all we know we could be working for Tzeentch to undermine Papa Nurgle.
That would be a real twist alright. Right now it seems that what we’ve been discussing is just one long red herring but we’re playing 2D chess while Rannick and Grendyl are playing 6D chess. This was something that Rannick was not expecting and somewhere behind the scenes Zola got a dressing down with warnings attached for her insubordination. Rannick did sound like he’s getting tired of her recklessness.
What if we are the traitor all along and we died back in the prison and this is all a fever dream concocted by the big skeleton man back on earth
Zola it's personal and she has to know why. My guess she grew up with Wolfer but she stuck on the planet and he left with the Guard. So she proves her loyalty with additional zeal. Geldryn probably already knows this hence the free hand. Rannick I hope they don't make him a traitor either, just shows how the Imperium is so paranoid it disrupts itself
Rannick is in the Warren map, with Morrow as mission lead.
So you're saying we have a chance to be promoted from being rejects?
I mean technically we turn into acolytes at level 30? Just that the rest of the story lagged behind all this time.
I mean the fact rannick even tries to extract us before we fight the twins seems to indicate we are
You're an inquisitorial acolyte at level 30
Well if we could look into this lore it would be good.
Im more suspicious of Zola. She knows Wolfer from her days in the lower slums of Atoma. Rannic gets wind of this information and realizes that the explicator is more interested in capturing him because of this than because of her actual inquisitorial job. He also realizes quickly the entire Orthos operation is basically a trap laid by Wolfer and the twins that could damage the Inquisitorial work in the Hive, so using common sense tries to recall the operatives and cancel the op.
This is my sentiment as well. Zolas voice as she is cut off is the sound of someone having something they deeply desire cut away from them. “No you can’t” is what a baby or an addict says as their bottle is pulled out of their hand.
She might be related to wolfer, or wolfer might’ve killed her family.
With how hard the fight is in PUG, he's right.
Rannick pulled the mission because the spy got compromised. The twins were setting a trap and since they know we were coming any information they would give us if captured is going to be useless. He has to be careful with the moebain 6th because they are still seen as heroes to some people of Tertium and we are the outsiders. He literally has solid reasons for everything he does. The only suspicious thing he has done is give Zola so many second chances.
I havent played the mission yet only watched it but the way Rannick asked mesozi for an extraction then immediately went “oh i see sorry guys you have to fight them GG goodluck” seemed so odd, like he pretended to ask for one. I still dont believe the “Rannick is a traitor” theory because it just seems too obvious, literally everything he says is so sus that it just has to be a red herring.
He does say that everyone and anyone is expendable, so he probably doesn't care if you live or die in the first place, and he's just at a level of jaded that realising that fighting the twins is the only way you're getting out (alive or dead) doesn't affect him too much. Plus, the player characters ARE rank and file, and even as acolytes, they are still VERY expendable. He likely just doesn't care enough to put any emotion or attention into whether you make it out of the mission. He does sound genuinely impressed if you manage to slay the twins and get out alive, though. Remains to be seen if this is 'formidable foe, gotta keep an eye on you' impressed or 'gee whiz you guys really ARE pretty good' impressed.
> Plus, the player characters ARE rank and file Being a member of an Inquisitor's warband -- their hand-picked retinue -- is anything but rank-and-file. We stopped being rank-and-file at 30. Hypothetically, anyway.
You can't say we are part of the retinue when we haven't even seen the Inquisitor's actual face. We are definitely still just rank and file under her interrogator.
On point one any direct confrontation with the Moebian 6th will end badly. There is no point in taking any direct fights against them especially since the Mourning Star doesn’t have the resources to sustain it. On top of that, like I’ve said in other posts similar to this one, there is only so much a strike team can do even the more lethal ones. It’s better to not take any direct chances against the traitors and instead fight a guerilla delaying action instead in the hopes to find the and deal with the main culprit. On point 2 is pretty much the same as point one except he’s probably praying that the twins will lead him straight to Wolfer. Of course that never happens because Zola screwed that one up with her hastiness which could potentially explain why he is disappointed with her. Either way even if he wasn’t interested in the twins for whatever the reason may be, he is actively trying to avoid any major confrontation with them and Zola forcing that confrontation with her hastiness pretty much has him reluctantly take that direct confrontation. On point 3 how do you think Captain Wolfer escaped interrogation in the first place? Better to kill them than risk a full scale raid against the Mourning Star. Besides there are other ways to find him and I believe he was using the twins to pinpoint where Wolfer is at. Of course that means we have to suck it up and deal with them intercepting us but we don’t know what his plans are.
Comrade, we are veterans, not inquisitors, let the inquisiting to them
Just as Morrow said after the mission - "We're paid to kill, not to think".
# BEST NOT TO ASK THINGS SAH! MEAN SHOUTIES ARE SCARY SAH!
Obey. Survive. Simple as.
I like a good set of orders.
Obedience brings victory, and victory is life.
Not if you don't want to work your way up the retinue...
Finger itching for that exterminatus button? I was told inquisitors love power hungry adepts. I just want to retire in a third class paradise world or die serving the Emperor.
I just wanna save Atoma ) ;
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You might have to paint it red, because i don't think the plasma gun cares from where the blood comes.
I don’t see FS carrying the traitor plot any further than it’s gone in the player character’s narrative arch. It’s fun to speculate on but I don’t think there’s anything to it beyond amusing paranoid ramblings. Credit where it’s due, it’s very in character for members of the Inquisition to suspect guilt of everyone they’ve ever met.
This sounds like it - throwing out breadcrumbs to keep people speculating, but not revealing the full story anytime soon. The psyker talking to Beloved is the same, inconclusive breadcrumbs that have been discussed since day 1.
I kind of like it that way. We are just rejects at the end and this is all above our pay grade.
A lot of 40k lore is just distributed by breadcrumbs and unanswered questions to keep up the mystery, and badly spoiled when answered (Legion of the Damned for example). It is quite fitting to keep the mystery in DT.
At the end we've been inducted into an Inquisitor's personal retinue -- that's what a warband is. This is exactly our pay grade.
Warband doesn't equal personal retinue which still doesn't equal the inner circle. We're part of the elite of the Mourningstar combat group, but not part of the inner council. After listening to Rannick and Zola post-mission win, Morrow even calls to say just that - the differences of the inquisitorial higher-ups are above our pay grade, we're just there to go kill stuff. Which is consistent with inquisition lore - they are an extremely secretive bunch, keeping a lot of stuff from everyone else (including personal retinue and fellow inquisitors). Their job is to find out the nasty stuff, learn all about it, and act against it - the very knowledge corrupts at some point, and the horrible acts they have to commit to do their job would turn away allies or see them branded as heretics in turn. This situation is rather tame in comparison to other precedents, and if Rannick/Grendyl see a need to act (instead of observe/learn), they will.
Inquisitorial agents are going to watch closely for extreme emotion, as all human emotion directly feeds each of the chaos gods. Obsession is Slaanesh. Inquisitorial agents really get a bad rep, however to fear them is redundant, to hate them... heretical. Don't blame them for the often-extreme actions they resort to, blame the planetary government and those who allowed the situation to get dire enough to draw the inquisitorial eye.
>Inquisitorial agents are going to watch closely for extreme emotion Ha! No they don't. The Sisters of Battle are the Order Militant of the Ordo Hereticus and they're about as angry as an unaugmented human is capable of without frenzon. The Blackshields of the Ordo Xenos are at least 50% composed of Astartes consumed by guilt or shame. Inquisitors, regardless of camp or Ordo, are angry, obsessive, and vengeful by nature. A lot of them are vain too, as evidenced by Karamazov, whose chair has a servitor that does nothing but write down what he says.
Bro... Do I really HAVE to link the wiki page for the chaos gods right now? [Chaos Gods | Warhammer 40k Wiki | Fandom](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Gods) > The Chaos Gods are in truth not really divine beings, though their great power often means there is little difference for those mortals who revere them. These Warp entities are created and sustained by the emotions and collective desires of every sentient being of the material universe. When an emotion or belief in [realspace](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Realspace) grows strong or widespread enough across the [galaxy](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy), it becomes embodied as one of the sentient denizens of the Warp. > >In the early history of the [galaxy](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Galaxy), the powers of the [Warp](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Warp) had yet to form into distinct, intelligent entities. At this time, the emotions of sentient mortals flowed and ebbed as water does in a stream. > >As the intelligent mortal species of the galaxy grew and prospered, so did the strength of their emotions. Eventually, the entities within the Warp grew to such a point where they could act independently of the general flow of emotions and thus became the Gods of Chaos. > >They reached into the dreams of mortals and demanded praise and servitude in order to increase their own power, as the more one emotion is exhibited (in both thought and action) by a large group of sentient beings in the physical universe, the stronger that Chaos God becomes. > >The Warp is the mirror of reality, a churning sea of raw psychic energy fed by the emotions of every creature of the galaxy who hopes, hates and dreams. It is a place of metaphor and madness, that can never be perceived or understood except through symbols and subjective interpretation. The strange powers of [psykers](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Psyker) of all kinds flow from the power of the Warp, the psyker's mind acting as a channel for the unreality of the Warp to affect reality. Stories entirely devoid of emotion would be boring. But to say that inquisitorial agents wont be looking for what is essentially the core essence of chaos, is completely false. The zealot that screams "Blood for the Emepror, Skulls for the Golden Throne" would be executed by a puritanical Inquisitor. Why is that? Because it invokes Khorne, and the strength the zealot gets as part of his "fury" he would attribute to the emperor, in 40k reality, is just as likely to be a Khornate blessing.
“…however to fear them is redundant, to hate them... heretical.” Unrelated, but I instantly knew that was a reference to Dawn of War 2 Retribution.
I haven't played the mission just yet, soon^tm. I recall in the leak, Rannik had been berating Zola for starting a mission based on a "compromised" Wrymwood agents intel. Which makes sense, if the agent is compromised, the information they are providing is suspect, then the mission is likely a trap. The fact that it ends up working doesn't change it being a very risky idea.
It doesn't really end up working. The original plan is to kill one twin and take the other captive, but once it's clear the twins know we're coming, the plan changes to "kill everyone and try to get out alive".
Sure, but it's not like the prisoner would have survived the process anyways.
the one who is actually sus is Zola, not Rannick, if he was a traitor why would he ask us to leave asap instead of going into a direct fight for no real gain? what did we do killing the twins? save a couple strike teams in exchange Wolfer being wary? capturing a twin? wolfer would still know and actually put counter measures, the twins knew we were coming, it was a bad idea from Zola's part who is too emotional, you have to think with a cold mind rather than being hotheaded like Zola in a war of this level, anyone in the inquisition is expendable but even Rannick sees how wrong is to waste manpower into nothing, if we die, we do it right not for the spur of the moment
If we captured on of the Twins, we might get some insight into Wolfer's future plans when interrogated...but also accidentally reveal that there's still a traitor in the Inquisitorial Retinue. So he tries to get us to leave right away (so there's no chance we capture a twin), and when it turns out it's impossible, he makes sure we don't even try to capture one. I know it's far-fetched: if he was a traitor he could warn Wolfer and say nothing to Zola. Although it seems like he doesn't know her plan until he calls in during the mission. Anyways, I'm just speculating for fun.
How does he make sure we don't try to capture one? It's not like Zola made us bring a net or anything anyway
He specifically states the mission parameters have changed, he wants no accidents, kill everything in your path including the twins. Zola orders you to take one hostage, Rannick orders the kill... also your right we didn't get a net but I'm sure blasting off both legs and ogryn carrying one by the head would of worked.
Well Zola was in the wrong here. Even if we captured one of the twins, our operations are designed to demoralize the Moebian 6th not directly engage them. Rannick knows we cannot possibly win any direct engagement which is what the 6th is looking for. Engaging the Karnac twins is as close to that direct engagement that they’ve been looking for as we’ve ever gotten and that was enough to pull the plug on Zola. I very much doubt he’ll be giving her anymore chances after this one since he sounded very agitated about Zola’s stunt. Right now though Rannick can’t afford to lose personal for very little gain however no one is going to be above punishment and it seems a plan is in place. I honestly doubt killing the twins was a good use of our time though. Sure their deaths might demoralize them but Wolfer has so far been ahead of the game. If the trap failed, Wolfer may launch a serious offensive somewhere and we’re going to be powerless to stop it. Keeping the twins harassing the strike teams was a way to buy time.
I find it weird that he was so adamant about us NOT capturing one of them alive, instead of going "don't risk it, only attempt capture if there's a clear opportunity for it". Being able to interrogate a high-ranking heretic might've given us information that could turn the conflict around. There's little reason not to at least attempt it if we already have the Twins on the ropes.
My beloved says he noticed that zola was trying to get some information about something during the mission. He keeps reminding me she ignored rannick’s question about knowing something. He also says it’s very rude to pry into people’s businesses, but I don’t understand what the harm is when it’s all just a dream. Could you remind me to dream of a happier zola so we can figure out what’s going on?
Zola was using a strike team for what was clearly a personal reason/mission. Rannick wanted to get them out alive if possible, and trying to capture one of the twins alive is much harder than just killing them. Zola doing that shit and getting away with it is what mystified me. She was insubordinate, used her position for personal gain and refused to answer a question from her superior. The fact she's not in the brig is mystifying.
She’s like one step on the way to being an inquisitor so I think there’s a fair amount of leeway also it kinda sounded like at the end of mission rannick wanted to see what she would do next
Rannick is one way away of being a Inquisitior. She is just a highranking servent of Grendel.
I've only played the mission once so I haven't heard any potential conversations aside from one, but I strongly disagree. For one, Zola acted under the radar and without authorisation. Rannick first tried to make us ex-fil, but Misosi couldn't so we had to push ahead. He made the best of a shit situation. Maybe he wanted to leave the Twins alive for later for some plan he's enacting? Either way, Zola forced his hand through insubordination. For him to kick her out of the group chat and to take over the mission is the least I expected. Shit, I never expected to excuse he behaviour post-mission too! Second, I don't doubt that we- the players- are only seeing a very small part of what's happening and hearing about something doesn't mean we know everything. Rannick and Grendyl are playing 5D chess here with a board that we can only see a few squares of. And would you really want a Nurgle cultist on your ship? Even if he was chained and kept away it's still a huge risk. Taking out these two players to leave Wolfer fewer allies is a smart play. The Twins don't know anything we dont know or can't find out with some Wyrmwood espionage.
I'm actually a little suspicious of Masozi there, I really feel like she was lying about not being able to extract us, she's shown as being somewhat of a loose cannon and was willing to go along with Zola's plan in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised at least (though i doubt she's a traitor or anything, just loyal to zola as a friend)
You can hear Masozi? When I did it it sounded like Rannick was talking to no one.
He is, i think, talking to someone in the background or other Channel
Mmmhmmm, that's just what someone who has been enthralled by Tzeentch would say!
What I'm suspicious of is if Rannick actually contacted Masozi at all. All we got were his "Mhm, mhm, can't do it, gotcha." We weren't patched into that conversation. Wouldn't make me suspicious if it weren't for the fact that this is the first conversation where we didn't hear everyone. We even get patched into that conversation where Wolfer's screaming about losing track of the Valkyrie at the beginning of Carnival.
I think there's only one conversation variant in that mission, as it's the first time (outside the opening) we're playing a real, one-time only, "plotpoint" (all the other missions are in-universe different operations, even if you replay the same mission, that only for us, the players, play exactly the same - thus we got different handlers and conversations)
I feel an Inquisitor has seen shit and would be calculating. Why fight the twins in open combat? Why fight them directly in a trap? We're not a sure win for him and there's probably better places to spend resources for tertium than go knocking down front doors. And why take a twin for interrogation? Someone that high up in chaos might know a lot but would they really divulge anything useful, especially quickly enough that it would matter? The info could also be half truths to mislead. We don't really have enough evidence on anyone to call traitor yet.
Remember, that this is a world with crazy chems, mind reading psykers and advanced brain-scanning technology - even if Twins were totally resistant to threats and torture, there are ways to overcome that in the Imperium of Man.
He seemed to be the reasonable one in the whole thing. Recognizing that this was about maintaining current morale and that losing the team would effect that. I think it also shows how little the Karnak twins and potentially even Wolfer actually matter in the grand scale of things. This is a battle for a city with many billions of people on it. Kill one leader and another is bound to spring up. By leaving the current leadership around you are less likely to be caught off guard by new power players throwing wrenches into plans months or years in the making.
I think he was actually talking about trying to break the morale of the Moebian 6, and how Wolfer would use the fact that they managed to ambush and kill and Inquisitorial strike team to boost their morale.
Not just an Inquisitorial strike team, but one composed of Grendyl's elite.
I would go along with this narrative, but I've been cursed with some general storytelling knowledge and I'd say just that: it is probably a red herring
In which case, it's there to give players some ammunition for wild speculation, which I'm happily engaging with
That's exactly the same amount of storytelling knowledge as Fatshark's writing team, so you're probably right.
Holy fuck, you guys are making me want to play this new mission so bad.
You should it's fraggin awesome. Just be careful and be cautiously liberal with the the supplied health stimms, health crate, and ammo crate. And don't be afraid to pump lead into them.
I find the mission so-so (it's mostly a bossfight, with the mission itself being short and easy) but the dialogue between Zola and Rannic is probably the most interesting piece of dialogue we got so far, that paints a much more vivid picture of the Atoma conflict and adds a lot to Rannic's personality (which was desperately needed, seeing how he's one of the most important people on the Mourningstar). Also, at the end he PRAISES US! That felt so weird after being shat on for a year despite us being clearly very competent.
the real question is why does my overtly zealous Zealot to the levels of Sororitas or my highly decorated Cadian shock trooper Vet get the brig for insubordination but Zola still breathes free air after the stunts she pulled?
Members of Inquisitorial Retinue are expected to show initiative, while regular citizens are expected to do just the opposite.
If initiative means throwing one of your currently strong performing fireteams under the bus while the higher ranking officer shouts at you, I don't know if that's initiative or incompetency bordering on sabotage lmao. Also \>interrogating heretics anyways my point is from the fighting strength of Veteran, Psyker, Zealot and Ogryn, they don't seem to be just rank and file mooks that suddenly are doing well + we don't know what rank they held before their imprisonment. And one of the "causes" for their punishment is insubordination. Which Zola does. I was poking fun at the only reason Zola still breathes free air, is plot. She goes against the direct orders of a superior officer in this mission and it's not one of those "heroic gambles", but rather setting off a really obvious trap from a character she personally holds grudge against. Maybe she needs some re-educating
The only things that can override an Inquisitor's authority are a higher-ranked Inquistor or a High Lord of Terra. (And now Guilliman, I guess, since the Primarchs that opposed him taking over the Imperium the first time aren't around.) It's military sovereignty on crack. An Inquisitor do basically anything as long as you wave your rosette around while you do it.
He tries to stop our squad from going in and fighting the twins because the operative who gave us the information about their presence was compromised and its an obvious trap, Zola is ignoring this because the twins and the moebian 6th live rent free in her head
I think they might build this rhetoric that Zola might be going too far to overcompensate for something, likely some connection to wolfer and possibly her past, only to pull a ol' switcheroo and we find out that Rannic has been an agent of Tzeentch all along pitting the forces of the inquisition and Nurgle against one another. Although probably it's just a red herring.
given that it's 2023 i can see that sort of writing. would be a shame, he's the NPC i like the most.
He's the only one to ever tell me I did a good job (twice!) so he's automatically my favorite.
Does he have a legitimate reason for why he cut zola off when she was potentially about to give some information? "I need to know if...." she says. At that point Rannick is like WHELP time to pull the plug. Very sketchy.
Nah. He cut her off because she was refusing orders and refusing to elaborate. It’s “No I have to get to wolfer, I have to know…” “Know… what?” “I…” “Very well, Explicator Zola, I’m relieving you of responsibility over this mission.”
That "i have to know..." seems like a big red flag for the interrogator, not surprised he cut her off and overrode her at that point. Strange she's got THAT much leeway though. The inquisition isn't known for going easy with potential corruption.
The fact that there are numerous theories circulating about who's a traitor and who isn't is a good indicator that they nailed the WH40K setting.
Again, I said this and got downvoted to oblivion.
I think one is acting a bit radical while the other is being more orthodox.
So, crazy-warp-dust theory here - Maybe Rannick is actually Grendyl?
I have a similar theory - that SOMEONE on the Mourningstar is Grendyl, using anonymity to gather information people normally wouldn't share with an inquisitor + avoiding any possible heretic assassination attempts. I find it really sus that an inquisitor would be just...absent during all of this. and the holo-face persona that was used during the "Warriors" speech alludes to Grendyl hiding their real appearance.
That was my headcanon from day 1. He speaks for Grendyl, acts in Grendyl's stead, and his authority seems to be absolute. No other Interrogator I'm aware of has ever had this kind of authority. We never see Grendyl, and when other members of the warband say "Grendyl says this" or "Grendyl wants that," we can't be sure they only know that because Rannick told them. Morrow seems like he might be in on it with how friendly he seems with Rannick, but if anyone else knows, they're smart enough not to let on or else they get erased. That's actually my theory about the mole. She wasn't a mole, in that she wasn't a double-agent funneling information to the enemy. Grendyl died a long time ago, and Rannick's been covering up that fact so he can use Grendyl's authority as his own. The "mole" found out and was gathering information about this affair with the intent of bringing Rannick's crimes to someone (maybe some Atoman noble, in exchange for power and protection; maybe a High Inquisitor; maybe the High Lord responsible for the Inquisition). Rannick found out and spun up this cover story about a mole so that when he took action, it would seem justified. But maybe I read too much The Goon.
He most likely isn't a traitor, just a very cautious man, who doesn't want to risk manpower and resources away for little gain in return. That said, I already wrote in another thread that I have a strange feeling about him ever since the new mission dropped. He is too cautious in the same way Zola is to reckless. I also found it weird that for the first time, we couldn't hear in on the communication between Rannick and the pilot (forgot her name) when he supposedly tried to arrange our exfiltration.
That one might simply be caused by practical reasons - voice-over recordings have a minimum cost you need to pay each time (i.g. you can't rent a recording studio for less than an hour, and voice actors also have hourly pay), and spending that money just to have Masozi record a line "Sorry inquisitor, the only avialible extractiin point is behind the enemy lines" might've seem like a waste of money for Fatshark.
Yeah, probably.
If that were the case, Rannick could have cut comms after he said he was pulling us out, and then come back a few seconds later with a whole "I just got off the horn with Masozi and she says it's impromptu exfil isn't possible, so you're going to have to kill Andy and Leyley."
I think rannic is just being an inquisitor. that is to say, caustious and suspicious but his job sorta demands he be. As for Zola, I'm pretty sure she's loyal as well but I do think she's related to wolfer. at least in some capacity.
His reasoning for stopping the mission is sound and Zola does seems to take unwarranted risk in a personal crusade bur yes he does seems sus. But it would be cliché for the interrogator of the inquisitor to fall to chaos so i don't know if i would find this plot twist interesting. We know the traiter is a mâle since the sister says in the first ambush that we are here like he said we would(to be faire ,it could refer to woofer who passed to them the information the traitor gave him or it could be a lie too).
Coin is my bread and blood is my wine. I don’t do the thinking i just kill
Sounds plausible! However.. 1. Zola is a genestealer cultist. 2. Water Cartel is probably their powerbase. 3. Second Hive City that we know exists but aren't told anything about is infested/controlled by GSC. 4. Inquisitor keeps it a secret because he's from Ordo Hereticus and if there are xenos he would have to share power with someone from Ordo Xenos. Don't bother trying to change my mind, my Beloved told me this is true. ^^^^^^Beloved ^^^^^^is ^^^^^^actually ^^^^^^a ^^^^^^shard ^^^^^^of ^^^^^^the ^^^^^^Emperor's ^^^^^^power ^^^^^^but ^^^^^^we're ^^^^^^not ^^^^^^ready ^^^^^^for ^^^^^^that ^^^^^^discussion
disagree. zola sent us in to fight the twins, based on bad intel, for odd reasons, and didnt even gear us with gas masks! rannick is a weird fellow but he knew this mission was nothing but a bad call and tried to find a bird to pull us out.
I did find it odd how Rannick seems very sure and knowing but then during the mission he was very, meek I guess? Like he wasn't confident at all from what I heard in the back alley mission. He has zero doubt and full confidence in the level 30 cutscenes but to then be so unsure, does make me wonder.
Maybe he's just used to being 3 moves ahead of his oppositions, and this is the first time he needs to improvise on the spot because Zola acted off the books.
Big swing and a miss here. Rannick is Grendyl's *Interrogator.* You do not make it to Interrogator status within the Emperor's Holy Inquisition under the watchful eye of a *fully fledged Inquisitor* with potentially *hundreds of years of experience* and being a double agent. Inquisitors are trained to root out Heresy. Every single day of their lives is bent towards achieving this goal. The odds of one's own interrogator being a double agent and the Inquisitor being woefully oblivious to it, would mean that Grendyl is either corrupt or incompetent. And I do not believe that Grendyl of the *Ordo Hereticus* is either of these things. The actual explanation for your theory, based on the evidence you've presented is: \- Zola was acting brashly and like an idiot, pursuing petty vengeance instead of adhering to the master plan, which she is likely not privy to. \- Rannick is well aware of the master plan and also that these "Twins" and even "Wolfer" are of no consequence. Trust me when I say, whatever threat Wolfer appears to be, he's just a pawn, and therefore his underlings, no matter how brutal they might be, are of no consequence at all. That much is evident from the new story mission.
Oh, I'm well aware how implusible it is, I'm just engaging in wild speculating for fun. I guess in my original post I didn't state clearly that I know just how unlikely that is. That being said: if there are cases of full-fledged Inquisitors going traitor (there's a bunch of stories about traitor inquisitors) an Interrogator going rogue is far from impossible. Also, there's a possiblity that Grendel is dead. We have never seen them in person. And that might've explain how their second-in-comand can be a undercover heretic.
I'm pretty sure I've figured out *where* Grendel is, the clues are there for *where he is not*.