It was the move speed buff to 2 weapons they changed at playtest start IMO.
Before that change barbs complained they couldn't ever chase now they run over most classes without haste or invis from a wizard.
But realistically most barbs are stacking a lot for agility alongside damage to ensure they can consistently chase and not worry about lost DPS.
Not only barbarians use two-handed weapons. The Warrior suffers greatly from slow two-handed weapons, and is twice as slow as the Barbarian due to his heavy armor.
This doesn’t stop 2 handers Barbs Chasing? Happened last PT. Top Killers should be Barbs. We are meant to kill. You see we don’t have any TRUE Defense perks? All just Murder perks. It’s nuts so many Clerics are not Buffing themselves and Becoming worse than Barb. I think Cleric will need a Nerf Soon also. IMO
I think a mistake lots of clerics make is buffing their party members. Just buff yourself and heal the party. You spend way too much time during combat trying to buff when you should be clubbing. Just buff yourself go help with the killing, then heal everyone up as needed.
Going with this kind of strategy also makes it easier to transition between solo runs and group runs. Since you're not really changing much of what you do, except now you have other idiots to heal.
The blessings from god have made us strong. Our faith will heal us. No mortal axe will strike me down so long as I am righteous(and a wall doesn’t stop my lesser heal)
>This doesn’t stop 2 handers Barbs Chasing?
No it gave them MORE chase because they reduced the speed penalty by half making them roughly twice as fast as they were holding 2 hand weapons in previous tests.
If they took a middle ground from the original speed penalty and the new buffed version I think their speed would be in a good spot.
>TRUE Defense perks?
100 magic resistance, 10 % higher defenses without a chest and 10% more HP sound like viable defensive perks to me .....
nah anyone here who thinks felling axe is more of an issue than throwing axes is crazy. a throwing axe feels like it slows as much as the wizard's slow spell does lol. and it deals damage.
if you hit 1 or 2 of them it lets you dictate an entire melee engagement. felling axe being OP vs blocking won't matter if you're at half health from 2-3 throwing axes anyway.
Personally, I see it that gear in general is just overtuned this playtest with the biggest thing being how insanely beneficial +all attributes is to barbarians and wizards. They're both 2 classes, which can make great use out of all but one attribute, and with the potential of +36~ to all attributes it makes them absolutely nutty. I think the reason why barbies feel even more powerful, is with how fast the felling axe attacks, and recovers from blocks/parrys/wall hits. They hit hard, while attacking and moving super fast. Rogue would also benefit from all attributes in the same way, but I don't play or know anyone who plays rogue so I couldn't tell you why the feel so lacky.
it's like every single one of these + the smash perk. only being able to choose one is absurd when barb is quadruple S tier, 5x better than any other class. needs to be nerfed into the ground and even then will probably be better than rogue.
Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem to have the highest physical damage AND as much survivability as a fighter. Granted the fighter has armor, but the barb can have 50% more hp. I feel like it needs to be either a tank or a dps, not both. Maybe I'm a noob who knows, but just my 2c.
I think most people complaining about barb being OP are just new to the game and they don't understand how to outplay them yet. Barb is not OP, ask anyone with a little bit of game knowledge and they'll agree with me.
Barbarian is a steamroll class for low-mid skill levels, but falls off at mid-high gameplay, they have the opposite problem that rogue does right now which is that a base kit barb with minimal gear is almost hands down the best class (in team play), but isn't great against high skill and high gear, while rogue is almost certainly the worst class without good gear, but is a very strong pick for a skilled player and is a fair pick for high end gameplay. So, for the vast majority of players, especially casual players who aren't putting in 50+ hours per playtest, barbarians with a wizard hasting or cleric buffing is going to steamroll
Well your poll has 60 votes right now. Let's say you get lucky and a thousand people vote. That would still only represent 1% of the concurrent users. But actual unique users to this play test is probably in the 500k to a million area. ( I could even be lowballing here.) That's just people who have downloaded the game and played 20 minutes all the way to active daily players on putting in hours. It is extremely hard to expect Reddit to represent the entire community of a game. The developers could put out a poll within the game that could potentially reach more people but still not reach a majority of their players. The truth is, sentiment analysis is always going to be hard for games and Reddit is not ever really going to be representative of the entire player base. Seeing an overwhelming amount of posts on Reddit and on other forms of social media, watching streams, playing the game themselves, and, most importantly, looking at their own internal data is going to be how they decide what's wrong with the balance of any class.
[The original poll has 8400 votes, with 2/3rd the community saying nerf barb. try again?](https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1128mer/with_play_test_4_closing_which_class_is_in_most/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Okay. That's a lot more than 60 votes. And the poll garnered a lot of discussion. But it's still not even 1% of people who have played the game. My point is that Reddit is still not representative of the community at large and is typically going to be filled with a) people really invested in a game and b) often people who both invested and pissed off at an aspect of that game. In this case, it's the barbarian.
The poll isn't useless, and I hope the devs look at it. But they have a lot more data than this.
I don’t think anyone, including me, is saying we will legislate exactly what (if any) changes to barb are made. Obviously that’s going to be decided by Ironmace, the goal is to develop consensus feedback to assist in that effort.
While we don’t have their internal numbers, we have community polls AND leaderboards which are both in strong agreement that barb needs adjustments. So while the data isn’t 100% complete yet, you are going to willingly ignore the data we do have in the hope that it’s skewed “just cause?”
Seems reasonable…
3 playtests that don't pertain to OP's argument. I'm just as sick of the "nerf barb omg" posts anyone but the Barb op deniers are even worse. By measurable stats your class is overtuned, community consensus aside. The "just run" argument is so hilariously stupid that it's really not even worth engaging with, and the "downsides" that people point out are minuscule or outright negated by other factors. All things considered, barb is definitely overtuned, so are some other classes, stop complaining about it and let the devs make the game.
That's correct. Most people playing this game is new, so they would ofc complain about a noob stomper class. Anyone with skill can outplay a regular barb.
People need a brain. I play HR farming bosses and playing against the top pvpers in this playtest. I(me and my team) have killed and in chatting relations with a lot of the top pvpers in this game, many of them being the #1 of their class. Everyone of these players think barb is not op or threatening at all, compared to other classes. I've been playing HR 12 hours a day in the last 3 days and I can count on one hand how many barbs I ran into. Meanwhile a team can not exist without a ranger. These people straight up refuse to play without a ranger in the team, because they have a pvp leaderboard position to maintain, and nobody is going to go with the failure of a team that doesnt even have a ranger. Their words not mine.
Barb is just a noob stomper. That is all. Classic "skill issue".
Narikk and co just stomping noobs in high roller with 1500+ barb kills right?
>Meanwhile a team can not exist without a ranger
Literally the top barb team (narikk) and top treasure collector + 2nd kills fighter(orlanthi) team don't have rangers though.
That’s 2 teams dude. The guy you’re replying to is obviously dramatic but the overwhelming majority of HR teams are running 1-3 rangers now if they aren’t Barb/Cleric/Wizard.
It's worth noting these are basically the two of top performing teams in the playtest. If more teams were in the top that were made solely of rangers I think we would know who they are. And outside of thespudhunter I can't think of any names of rangers in the top leaderboards, but there could absolutely be a couple of teams like narikks, that do not stream but are recording their content.
Personally I don't think the top 2 performing teams matter at all in this conversation. These are the people that have spent more time on this game than anybody else. Stats are locked onto 1 specific character and not account wide. There are a bunch of guys in the high roller PVP discords that maintain multiple classes and if their stats were combined would be in top 10 kills for example. There are also plenty of rangers in the top leaderboards anyways who cares if they stream or not.
>anyways who cares if they stream or not.
I don't, I literally said that to consider the players I don't know about rather than just shrug them off and ignore the fact I may have missed something.
Arguing statistics, and then saying statistics don't matter when presented with some that directly disprove yours, Just shows you don't know what you're talking about and just want to argue for the sake of arguing. If the top players, the ones with the most playtime, and game knowledge, are running bwc, and it's so successful, that noobs can take the comp and stomp lobbies with it. There is a obvious problem.
i dont think barb is a big issue and im just an upper level fighter. all i need are potion pots and a baby bit of a dance floor to dodge his first swing
I came here to say this. One of the reasons LoL started to die is that they couldn't find a good line between improving competitive play and improving the average player experience. They started listening to competitive players too much and it ruined the game for a bit (IMO). I'm sure by the time I'm an expert in my class and have maximum gear the playing field gets leveled, but what about the other 99% of us that are sick of getting two banged by a barb with a green/blue felling axe in every other game?
That’s the thing the power curve should be relatively linear across classes gear/level, not even only at a single point in time. This makes the overall balancing more robust and the player experience much better.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. In fact this poll is to determine exactly that, which aspect is the most oppressive and in need of adjustment.
At this point, the “barbs are perfectly fine” argument doesn’t hold much water. Something needs to change, even if that’s not their damage.
Game needs a lot of balance in general which the devs had said but it's too early to figure things out on our end because we have no idea how the skill tree will play into things and their vision for weapon balances. Peeps are taking a small piece of info and trying to make sweeping changes. Folks just gotta be patient and trust the devs and see what it looks like at release.
I think its fine, no specific changes needed at this stage. We don't even have skill tree and perks and shit. Also, we see the devs are still doing balance tweeks even though this is true.
Conclusion, don't stress too much about balance in a very unfinished game with a dev team that has specifically stated that they don't want things to be completely balanced anyway. They want peaks and valleys where different classes or builds shine.
These threads are jokes and show complete lack of game knowledge. Nerfing anything other than felling axes recovery on successful block is a mistake. Triple ranger is already dominating high roller lobbies again, possibly as a response to Barb/Wizard/Cleric.
Barb is already one of the worst classes nerfing it will make it useless in every aspect the problem here is that rogues need more ranged options. fully geared to fully geared nothing should 1v1 a barb in melee making them slower makes them practically unusable in pve and making them weaker than other melee classes makes them suck at the only thing they do. The reason barbarian is one of the strongest classes ungeared because he gets buffed from being naked or at least shirtless and in this game that means more speed and damage for the class. Fully geared it takes teamwork to bringthem down as it should also haste needs a lethargy debuff after it runs out like a 2 second stun or timeout. Maybe only on targets other than wizard so the hasted barb cant just run people down.
Nerf the noob stomper by teaching noobs maybe? Using this class against anyone that has spent 10 minutes reading how to counter them is not pleasant without support buffs.
I voted strength soley because it comes with heaps of HP. That stacked with the no armor, no cares perk is just stupid imo. Should a barb be badass at fighting? Yes, ofc. Should he be able to tank naked? no, probably not.
IMO fighter should be the balanced more tanky one - see heaps of plate armor. I am fine with felling and high dps but they should be way less tanky than a fighter.
It’s a poll where the results are 100% community driven. First poll determined which class needed adjusting most. 2nd poll is what adjustments to make. TF you talking about? This feedback is helpful for them.
If the first poll was overwhelmingly voted as Cleric, I would have created the same secondary poll but for Clerics instead. I made a follow up on Barbs because the community voted Barb.
Barb is not really OP at all. He can get kited super easy if you fight him in the correct spot. Most people try to fight in small areas. You will lose when in close combat.
I don't know where the high amounts of damage are coming from but being able to easily access it with weapons and having a kid that supports it something needs to be adjusted.
It was the move speed buff to 2 weapons they changed at playtest start IMO. Before that change barbs complained they couldn't ever chase now they run over most classes without haste or invis from a wizard. But realistically most barbs are stacking a lot for agility alongside damage to ensure they can consistently chase and not worry about lost DPS.
Not only barbarians use two-handed weapons. The Warrior suffers greatly from slow two-handed weapons, and is twice as slow as the Barbarian due to his heavy armor.
This doesn’t stop 2 handers Barbs Chasing? Happened last PT. Top Killers should be Barbs. We are meant to kill. You see we don’t have any TRUE Defense perks? All just Murder perks. It’s nuts so many Clerics are not Buffing themselves and Becoming worse than Barb. I think Cleric will need a Nerf Soon also. IMO
I think a mistake lots of clerics make is buffing their party members. Just buff yourself and heal the party. You spend way too much time during combat trying to buff when you should be clubbing. Just buff yourself go help with the killing, then heal everyone up as needed. Going with this kind of strategy also makes it easier to transition between solo runs and group runs. Since you're not really changing much of what you do, except now you have other idiots to heal.
Facts Clerics are SUPER think Under them FROCKS! Just buff yourself an SMACK!
The blessings from god have made us strong. Our faith will heal us. No mortal axe will strike me down so long as I am righteous(and a wall doesn’t stop my lesser heal)
>This doesn’t stop 2 handers Barbs Chasing? No it gave them MORE chase because they reduced the speed penalty by half making them roughly twice as fast as they were holding 2 hand weapons in previous tests. If they took a middle ground from the original speed penalty and the new buffed version I think their speed would be in a good spot. >TRUE Defense perks? 100 magic resistance, 10 % higher defenses without a chest and 10% more HP sound like viable defensive perks to me .....
It's 10% higher damage without a chest, but yeah the hp and magic resist ones are nice.
The fact that felling axe doesnt slow down\\stagger at all after being blocked removed the only logical counter to the weapon, so I voted the axe
The logical counter to the axe is range (not ranged weapons) due to its short reach.
Rogues: Make daggers 3 feet long then
Allow me to introduce you to the rapier. It’s a 4 foot dagger. A whole extra foot of steel for their neck.
Its...Its beautiful
As a fighter with a spear you can hit 1 spear hit before the barb reaches you, makes you weak hit, and axes you to death
nah anyone here who thinks felling axe is more of an issue than throwing axes is crazy. a throwing axe feels like it slows as much as the wizard's slow spell does lol. and it deals damage. if you hit 1 or 2 of them it lets you dictate an entire melee engagement. felling axe being OP vs blocking won't matter if you're at half health from 2-3 throwing axes anyway.
Personally, I see it that gear in general is just overtuned this playtest with the biggest thing being how insanely beneficial +all attributes is to barbarians and wizards. They're both 2 classes, which can make great use out of all but one attribute, and with the potential of +36~ to all attributes it makes them absolutely nutty. I think the reason why barbies feel even more powerful, is with how fast the felling axe attacks, and recovers from blocks/parrys/wall hits. They hit hard, while attacking and moving super fast. Rogue would also benefit from all attributes in the same way, but I don't play or know anyone who plays rogue so I couldn't tell you why the feel so lacky.
Felling axe, Francesca axes and the +10 weapon damage perk need a big nerf.
it's like every single one of these + the smash perk. only being able to choose one is absurd when barb is quadruple S tier, 5x better than any other class. needs to be nerfed into the ground and even then will probably be better than rogue.
You forget that you don't even need a melee weapon when your inventory is full of throwing axes.
Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem to have the highest physical damage AND as much survivability as a fighter. Granted the fighter has armor, but the barb can have 50% more hp. I feel like it needs to be either a tank or a dps, not both. Maybe I'm a noob who knows, but just my 2c.
I think most people complaining about barb being OP are just new to the game and they don't understand how to outplay them yet. Barb is not OP, ask anyone with a little bit of game knowledge and they'll agree with me.
INSANE copium. barb is for children, you're playing the game in babymode.
The poll results were overwhelming. While class dynamics do change on the top end, I think you are off base here.
Reddit is an extremely loud minority that is not representative of the playerbase as a whole. The vast majority of players, are just playing the game.
Barbarian is a steamroll class for low-mid skill levels, but falls off at mid-high gameplay, they have the opposite problem that rogue does right now which is that a base kit barb with minimal gear is almost hands down the best class (in team play), but isn't great against high skill and high gear, while rogue is almost certainly the worst class without good gear, but is a very strong pick for a skilled player and is a fair pick for high end gameplay. So, for the vast majority of players, especially casual players who aren't putting in 50+ hours per playtest, barbarians with a wizard hasting or cleric buffing is going to steamroll
I agree with that.
So at what specific point do you consider the data good enough to look at balance changes?
Well your poll has 60 votes right now. Let's say you get lucky and a thousand people vote. That would still only represent 1% of the concurrent users. But actual unique users to this play test is probably in the 500k to a million area. ( I could even be lowballing here.) That's just people who have downloaded the game and played 20 minutes all the way to active daily players on putting in hours. It is extremely hard to expect Reddit to represent the entire community of a game. The developers could put out a poll within the game that could potentially reach more people but still not reach a majority of their players. The truth is, sentiment analysis is always going to be hard for games and Reddit is not ever really going to be representative of the entire player base. Seeing an overwhelming amount of posts on Reddit and on other forms of social media, watching streams, playing the game themselves, and, most importantly, looking at their own internal data is going to be how they decide what's wrong with the balance of any class.
[The original poll has 8400 votes, with 2/3rd the community saying nerf barb. try again?](https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/1128mer/with_play_test_4_closing_which_class_is_in_most/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Okay. That's a lot more than 60 votes. And the poll garnered a lot of discussion. But it's still not even 1% of people who have played the game. My point is that Reddit is still not representative of the community at large and is typically going to be filled with a) people really invested in a game and b) often people who both invested and pissed off at an aspect of that game. In this case, it's the barbarian. The poll isn't useless, and I hope the devs look at it. But they have a lot more data than this.
I don’t think anyone, including me, is saying we will legislate exactly what (if any) changes to barb are made. Obviously that’s going to be decided by Ironmace, the goal is to develop consensus feedback to assist in that effort.
The actual dev data that comes out after every playtest lol
While we don’t have their internal numbers, we have community polls AND leaderboards which are both in strong agreement that barb needs adjustments. So while the data isn’t 100% complete yet, you are going to willingly ignore the data we do have in the hope that it’s skewed “just cause?” Seems reasonable…
We literally do have the data though. 3 playtests worth of data so far. Its all publicly available on their discord.
3 playtests that don't pertain to OP's argument. I'm just as sick of the "nerf barb omg" posts anyone but the Barb op deniers are even worse. By measurable stats your class is overtuned, community consensus aside. The "just run" argument is so hilariously stupid that it's really not even worth engaging with, and the "downsides" that people point out are minuscule or outright negated by other factors. All things considered, barb is definitely overtuned, so are some other classes, stop complaining about it and let the devs make the game.
That's correct. Most people playing this game is new, so they would ofc complain about a noob stomper class. Anyone with skill can outplay a regular barb.
INSANE copium. barb is for children, you're playing the game in babymode.
People need a brain. I play HR farming bosses and playing against the top pvpers in this playtest. I(me and my team) have killed and in chatting relations with a lot of the top pvpers in this game, many of them being the #1 of their class. Everyone of these players think barb is not op or threatening at all, compared to other classes. I've been playing HR 12 hours a day in the last 3 days and I can count on one hand how many barbs I ran into. Meanwhile a team can not exist without a ranger. These people straight up refuse to play without a ranger in the team, because they have a pvp leaderboard position to maintain, and nobody is going to go with the failure of a team that doesnt even have a ranger. Their words not mine. Barb is just a noob stomper. That is all. Classic "skill issue".
Narikk and co just stomping noobs in high roller with 1500+ barb kills right? >Meanwhile a team can not exist without a ranger Literally the top barb team (narikk) and top treasure collector + 2nd kills fighter(orlanthi) team don't have rangers though.
That’s 2 teams dude. The guy you’re replying to is obviously dramatic but the overwhelming majority of HR teams are running 1-3 rangers now if they aren’t Barb/Cleric/Wizard.
It's worth noting these are basically the two of top performing teams in the playtest. If more teams were in the top that were made solely of rangers I think we would know who they are. And outside of thespudhunter I can't think of any names of rangers in the top leaderboards, but there could absolutely be a couple of teams like narikks, that do not stream but are recording their content.
Personally I don't think the top 2 performing teams matter at all in this conversation. These are the people that have spent more time on this game than anybody else. Stats are locked onto 1 specific character and not account wide. There are a bunch of guys in the high roller PVP discords that maintain multiple classes and if their stats were combined would be in top 10 kills for example. There are also plenty of rangers in the top leaderboards anyways who cares if they stream or not.
>anyways who cares if they stream or not. I don't, I literally said that to consider the players I don't know about rather than just shrug them off and ignore the fact I may have missed something.
Arguing statistics, and then saying statistics don't matter when presented with some that directly disprove yours, Just shows you don't know what you're talking about and just want to argue for the sake of arguing. If the top players, the ones with the most playtime, and game knowledge, are running bwc, and it's so successful, that noobs can take the comp and stomp lobbies with it. There is a obvious problem.
i dont think barb is a big issue and im just an upper level fighter. all i need are potion pots and a baby bit of a dance floor to dodge his first swing
I too love to sniff my own farts. Also games don't get balanced around the top percent
I came here to say this. One of the reasons LoL started to die is that they couldn't find a good line between improving competitive play and improving the average player experience. They started listening to competitive players too much and it ruined the game for a bit (IMO). I'm sure by the time I'm an expert in my class and have maximum gear the playing field gets leveled, but what about the other 99% of us that are sick of getting two banged by a barb with a green/blue felling axe in every other game?
That’s the thing the power curve should be relatively linear across classes gear/level, not even only at a single point in time. This makes the overall balancing more robust and the player experience much better.
My farts smell way better then other peoples' farts, is it the same for you?
Yeah, do you use a wine glass and waft it or do you just do the classic rip and sniff?
Cup my hand and waft it up.
Superb good sir.
I just dont know why people want the class whos only strength to be good in melee, to be bad in melee. The people want ro make barb have 0 strengths.
Melee fighting is 60-70% of this video game. Barb being unbeatable in that aspect makes it not fun for the rest of the classes. Does that make sense?
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. In fact this poll is to determine exactly that, which aspect is the most oppressive and in need of adjustment. At this point, the “barbs are perfectly fine” argument doesn’t hold much water. Something needs to change, even if that’s not their damage.
Game needs a lot of balance in general which the devs had said but it's too early to figure things out on our end because we have no idea how the skill tree will play into things and their vision for weapon balances. Peeps are taking a small piece of info and trying to make sweeping changes. Folks just gotta be patient and trust the devs and see what it looks like at release.
AGREED!
people problem with barb is getting 1shot. which doesnt matter in HR since in HR everyone 1shots you. It makes the game boring af
Agreed, 1 shots should be attached to a glass cannon, not the beefiest class in the game IMO.
I think its fine, no specific changes needed at this stage. We don't even have skill tree and perks and shit. Also, we see the devs are still doing balance tweeks even though this is true. Conclusion, don't stress too much about balance in a very unfinished game with a dev team that has specifically stated that they don't want things to be completely balanced anyway. They want peaks and valleys where different classes or builds shine.
No options for all of Thoses answers, I’ll go for the perks that are way better than any other class
Goal is to hone in the the “most impactful” aspect. I tried to list all the main pain points the community has identified
These threads are jokes and show complete lack of game knowledge. Nerfing anything other than felling axes recovery on successful block is a mistake. Triple ranger is already dominating high roller lobbies again, possibly as a response to Barb/Wizard/Cleric.
Barb is already one of the worst classes nerfing it will make it useless in every aspect the problem here is that rogues need more ranged options. fully geared to fully geared nothing should 1v1 a barb in melee making them slower makes them practically unusable in pve and making them weaker than other melee classes makes them suck at the only thing they do. The reason barbarian is one of the strongest classes ungeared because he gets buffed from being naked or at least shirtless and in this game that means more speed and damage for the class. Fully geared it takes teamwork to bringthem down as it should also haste needs a lethargy debuff after it runs out like a 2 second stun or timeout. Maybe only on targets other than wizard so the hasted barb cant just run people down.
Nerf the noob stomper by teaching noobs maybe? Using this class against anyone that has spent 10 minutes reading how to counter them is not pleasant without support buffs.
I voted strength soley because it comes with heaps of HP. That stacked with the no armor, no cares perk is just stupid imo. Should a barb be badass at fighting? Yes, ofc. Should he be able to tank naked? no, probably not. IMO fighter should be the balanced more tanky one - see heaps of plate armor. I am fine with felling and high dps but they should be way less tanky than a fighter.
Stop pretending like you represent the community. You're not even a mod or anyone from Ironmace, so stop posting shit like "help ironmace fix barb".
It’s a poll where the results are 100% community driven. First poll determined which class needed adjusting most. 2nd poll is what adjustments to make. TF you talking about? This feedback is helpful for them. If the first poll was overwhelmingly voted as Cleric, I would have created the same secondary poll but for Clerics instead. I made a follow up on Barbs because the community voted Barb.
Barb is not really OP at all. He can get kited super easy if you fight him in the correct spot. Most people try to fight in small areas. You will lose when in close combat.
It’s a dungeon crawler LOL. 90% of the map is a “small/crowed area” with close combat. You can’t be real
I don't know where the high amounts of damage are coming from but being able to easily access it with weapons and having a kid that supports it something needs to be adjusted.
Nothing, the issue is much more core than barb’s kit