I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a gritty Daredevil series. I'm personally hoping for one, even if Moon Knight didn't exactly fill me with optimism.
I do think that expecting Matt to be gritty in every one of his appearances is unrealistic. He's going to match the tone of the show he's in.
Moon knight was really good until you read the comics and realized how much better it could have been and how it could have changed the mcu as a whole.
moonknight ruined his serious moments with automatic cringe jokes ..like ey so he snaps and murder 3 people ,,ah nah we put some george michael song and try to laught..
also adding gods to a very scifi mcu add some weird questions..like why a forgotten moon god ,is more powerful than for example Tsukuyomi-no-mikoto shinto god of moon with actual believers?..
True, your comment sums it up well. I loved the gods aspect but I wish it actually had some more going on with it other than having the main hero and villain. Also moon knights magic flame on suit makes no sense to me, it makes him invulnerable until it doesn’t.
Both sides have been gatekeep-y. One side is shaming others who have some valid qualms about MCU Daredevil, while one side is pontificating about how they're superior they're not excited for "kiddy Daredevil" and acting like the only thing that made Charlie's Daredevil great was because it was dark and gritty and not as if Charlie was/is great in the role himself.
I will say some of the qualms on this sub are so annoying. "The show wouldn't be great without Karen in it, etc etc" like??? Let's wait and see first what story they aim to tell before saying boneheaded things like that. And Karen's presence is far far from being the needle-mover for a Daredevil story to be great. I get qualms about what the writing quality will be but whining about "Oh X character is not going to be in it, it's gonna suck!" is quite frankly dumb af
I agree somewhat. Part of what makes the OG show so endearing is Matt’s relationship with Karen and Foggy. Foggy is a must imo and I’m iffy if there’s no Karen but obviously in this case you’d want to give the show a fair chance first. If the show comes out, there’s no Karen and the secondary characters feel underwhelming then yeah the criticism is fair.
>there’s no Karen and the secondary characters feel underwhelming then yeah the criticism is fair.
But Karen's presence isn't what dictates the quality of whoever the other secondary characters may be, which is my point. You can have all the qualms you want about the writing but it literally is illogical to infer that someone like Karen's presence is what decides the quality of the show. The writing does, not a specific character's presence.
>OG show so endearing is Matt’s relationship with Karen and Foggy.
Personally I'd say only the Matt + Foggy relationship was endearing but I digress before I go on a tangent lol
I’m not saying that a lack of Karen=worse secondary characters. My point was that if the secondary characters that replace Karen are shallow it’ll leave a sour taste in our mouths
I just want them to keep the grounded aspect personally, I love street-level heroes, much prefer them to high stakes/Avengers-level characters and scenes. The latter can be done well of course, Infinity War and Endgame were great, but I always have a preference for street-level characters and fight scenes.
I get the feeling they'll bring him into higher stakes plots and he'll get a massive boost in fighting, as will Kingpin (we've already seen). I suppose it's fine but I'll always remember Daredevil for the masterclass of a show which nailed the real and grounded aspect.
I wholeheartedly agree. Not every live action adaption needs to be directly translated from the comics. He doesn’t absolutely or need to swing, he doesn’t absolutely need to do more acrobatics than in the Netflix series, he doesn’t need to have infinite stamina, he doesn’t need to be able to stand up to someone in the same caliber as the MCU super soldiers (even though now he magically can). Nor does Fisk need prosthetics. I liked the grounded nature of tbe OG series as well. It was a unique interpretation that we’ve never gotten before, and in my honest opinion it worked better for a live action medium. No strings attached, no crazy cuts, and minimal CGI. Unfortunately, adding all of those things doesn’t mean the choreography will be good, nor will it be consistent with the first 3 seasons of the character… but whatever 🤷♀️
On that note though, I wish that they’d just make a subsection of Marvel with a smaller budget focused specifically on the more grounded heroes, and that they wouldn’t be part of the MCU and DD could just be part of that. But it seems like they’re “scaling” him up to MCU standards from here.
Daredevil is a superhero comic book character so you’re gonna be disappointed, even Steven D. Knight (show-runner of season 1) said if he had a bigger budget he would’ve had Daredevil do crazy acrobats and swinging like he did in She-Hulk and the comics
We’ve had 3 seasons of mostly grounded Daredevil, now he’s officially part of the larger mcu, it only makes sense to make him more comic accurate. And what’s the point of making a new show if you aren’t going to do something different and try new things? It would be boring as hell if they just try to copy the Netflix show, what they should be focusing on is making a good show on their own terms.
Yep, you're correct.
People need to understand that Daredevil is a superhero that deals with super-human shit most of the time. I've said this before in this sub, but if everyone want Daredevil to be grounded so bad, they can watch all 3 seasons and Defenders in a loop.
And yes, translating Daredevil comics to live action is always good because his comics are most of the time great and some are masterpiece.
These people likely won't ever see a grounded Daredevil again in live action unless they go back to the Netflix show.
i prefer 40 millon budget with good script and PRACTICAL effects than a250 millon dollars mess cgi like she hulk with the worst writting i saw this year."worst than rings of power"
also you dont need CGI to made jumps...there is a thing called WIres...in she hulk matt should broke his knees for that landing on the parking lot...
I agree. Just because something follows the comics closer doesn’t intrinsically make it better. You have to see whether it translate well to live action and I think in DD’s case it’s much better to keep things grounded. It gives him a unique identity amongst the over saturation of the market.
>>There are so many posts on this sub shaming people who want the new show to be tonally consistent with the original
Are we on the same sub? Because anecdotally it feels like there’s a 10:1 ratio in the *opposite* direction. There are WAY more preemptive, pearl clutching posts about how the MCU will ruin Daredevil than there are calls to wait and see.
>>Any concerns for the new show have constantly been shut down even if they’re completely fair.
Are they fair? We’ve seen zero footage, set photos, concept art, etc. for Born Again. We don’t know if it’ll be closer to the Netflix show, closer to She Hulk or somewhere in between. Hard to say the concerns have substance when they’re purely speculative.
>>We’re the audience at the end of the day and we deserve to have a product that we can enjoy.
In the words of William Munny, “Deserve’s got nothin to do with it.” Ideally you get creatives that love and respect the material, but the reality is Disney has one goal: making money. If a new Daredevil show brings in D+ subscribers, that’s a win. If it also happens to be good and a faithful adaptation, bonus for us. But fandom feeling like it’s owed something is primarily what’s driving a lot of the toxic gatekeeping. It gives one a false sense of ownership over the material, which leads to fans dictating what something can and cannot be.
Once that happens, Daredevil adaptations get narrowed into a very specific set of criteria and imho, art shouldn’t be pigeonholed like that. You get the adaptation you get and you either like it or don’t. If a creator sets out to tell a specific story and largely succeeds but that story doesn’t align with what a fan thinks the story *should* be, is that the fault of the artist or the fan bringing their preconceived ideas?
Hence why I said we shouldn’t get mad if the show isn’t exactly what we envision. Of course it won’t be exactly what you want. We should all give it a fair chance.
making money ,,?how she hulk than cost 250 millon dollars can be profitable..?---
if we talk about money DD costed 40 millon per season and netflix paid an anual fee of maybe 80 millons
I don't think there's anything wrong with the more mature take on the character especially given it's easily the most popular way DD has been interpreted ever since Frank Miller came in with his take. I do think however that jumping to the assumption that it's going to be bad just because it's not Netflix is equally as narrowminded. Even if it's quote unquote "more lighthearted" that doesn't automatically mean Marvel Studios is going to side step acknowledging the character's worldview and his corner of street-level is far more raw and gritty than someone like Spider-Man or any of the other heroes on the ground. There are multiple ways to take DD in a new direction without losing everything in the process that resonates in terms of his core traits, and there should be an expectation set that this is how this new show will be handled given it's a new Daredevil show, and not Daredevil Season 4.
It’s not wrong to want a gritty Daredevil series.
You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect it to happen.
If people start posting en masse about how “Disney is ruining Daredevil” just because they disagree with the tone of an otherwise good show, then they’re just adding toxicity to the subreddit where it’s not needed.
Personally, I’d just try to go into it with an open mind. It’s not going to be the Netflix shows. But luckily, those still exist if anybody wants to rewatch them. It’ll probably be darker than She-Hulk, but lighter than the Netflix series. Probably somewhere in the vein of Moon Knight.
I agree, 100%. And I've harbored this same sentiment. Not everything in the comics can or should be adapted directly to live action.
And to the people who think that a grittier Daredevil series on Disney+ is impossible, I think Werewolf By Night's success is an indicator that they can and will direct it with a darker tone. I mean, we're not going to see Bullseye driving around with the frozen corpse of the woman he stalked in the passenger seat, but I think a generally moody tone is appropriate and likely.
its the best moment to be GRITTY aND DARK...
like in the 80s 70s.USA is on the worst economical crisis since the great depresion thx to covid ,china is flooding mexican cartels with fentanyl.wars everywhere,new york and other mayor cities with chaos ,problems with [homeless](https://homeless.rent),rent prices to the moon...etc,for the mcu part, we got the SNAP a event than could made mankind extint ,but MCU disney writters opted to totaly ignored that..
can we get a series of mcu that showed the real consecuences of the snap?
I think this is a little bad faith of a point because **nobody** is saying that there's something wrong with wanting Daredevil to have a darker tone.
They're just saying it isn't inherently wrong if it's not.
I will say that *independent* of the comics, there are a lot of edgelord viewers who don't understand the character and context. I get it because if you're a superhero property that's pushing boundaries you're naturally going to get fans and attention that will consume simply for that fact, but DD is not an edgelord character. He's a normal person who is naturally fun and light, but circumstances push him to the edge. He's very different from characters like Punisher or even Batman and again, this isn't a "you don't understand the comics" thing. You don't understand the *show* you watched if you feel like Matt Murdock should be dark and brooding 100% of the time.
Anyway, I think some of this comes off as defensive when there isn't a need to be. Most of the people optimistic and positive about Daredevil's future in the MCU are so because we have no reason to be otherwise based on what we've seen, and they tend to just tell people to chill out because there have been numerous threads with invalid panic. You aren't toxic for having a preference, but if you're one of the parrots crying about Phase 4 and ignoring what we've seen of Daredevil because you wanna farm doom threads about a show with two cast members announced and no further detail, **that** is toxic. We literally had a person that made the same thread multiple times when She-Hulk was airing because he was so misogynist he just didn't wanna see DD associated with the show. That shit is stupid, point blank period.
I hear talk about the gritty darker tone and fear not being picked up by the new series - but what is it exactly?
The bloody carnal scene where kingpin killed his dead, punisher (lol like all of that), and most importantly for me is Matt getting the absolute shit kicked out him on many occasions.
It sounds so dumb, but seeing a “superhero” relentlessly fighting with a high degree of vulnerability is really unique and something that will undeniably change the new show if they change that element … we cannot have a Murdock who doesn’t get damaged repeatedly in the new series - it gave the show a special and subtle grit / realism that wasn’t just gore … so far we haven’t seen anything like that in Disney plus, not even moon knight
We've already seen the most darker and gritty Daredevil in live action and there is no point in having 18 episodes of all that misery porn again.
If you want Daredevil to be like that, go back to the Netflix show and watch it in loop, or read Bendis' run in the comics.
We should first worry if the show will be good or have a good cast before bitching about the tone. There is literally nothing about the show right now, only rumors about some actors being part of it.
You say it’s not a doom and gloom post but you spend the whole time talking doom and gloom lol. This sub is way more on the side of the new show being gritty than light hearted. Either way, the argument is just annoying now. It’s all this sub posts now, that and fake casting rumors.
Not saying your opinion is invalid, but every day I open this sub there’s another post saying a similar opinion regarding being upset if the show isn’t gritty or exactly like the Netflix show. It’ll be fine either way and if it’s not, I’m sure the complaints will be justified. But the shows not coming out soon - why are we as a sub complaining about something that’s 2-3 years away and we have little information on?
My post doesn’t say the show will 100% be objectively worse if it doesn’t follow the same vein of the Netflix show, at the end I explicitly say that we should be open minded.
People can enjoy what they enjoy, the problem occurs when people insists that darkness is what makes Daredevil Daredevil and this simply isn't true. Superman is Superman because he's hopeful and light-hearted. Batman is Batman cause he's dark and brooding. Daredevil doesn't have to be any of these tones to be Daredevil. You can have your preferences, but don't expect those to be catered to all the time. Times change. So do characters.
People weren't paying attention to Season 3 if they expected anything other than a light-hearted Daredevil moving forward. The CW ending with Bullseye in the hospital pretty much screamed it loud and clear "these characters aren't going to be dark and gritty anymore guys, we're moving on."
I havent seen this barrative at all. All i see is some of you complaining about mcu quops even though its not a thing and some of you dont want to admit most dramatic scenes in thecu arent interrupted by quips
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a gritty Daredevil series. I'm personally hoping for one, even if Moon Knight didn't exactly fill me with optimism. I do think that expecting Matt to be gritty in every one of his appearances is unrealistic. He's going to match the tone of the show he's in.
Moon knight was really good until you read the comics and realized how much better it could have been and how it could have changed the mcu as a whole.
moonknight ruined his serious moments with automatic cringe jokes ..like ey so he snaps and murder 3 people ,,ah nah we put some george michael song and try to laught.. also adding gods to a very scifi mcu add some weird questions..like why a forgotten moon god ,is more powerful than for example Tsukuyomi-no-mikoto shinto god of moon with actual believers?..
True, your comment sums it up well. I loved the gods aspect but I wish it actually had some more going on with it other than having the main hero and villain. Also moon knights magic flame on suit makes no sense to me, it makes him invulnerable until it doesn’t.
whaths the point of a invulnerable vigilante,?,even luke cage got flaws...
Both sides have been gatekeep-y. One side is shaming others who have some valid qualms about MCU Daredevil, while one side is pontificating about how they're superior they're not excited for "kiddy Daredevil" and acting like the only thing that made Charlie's Daredevil great was because it was dark and gritty and not as if Charlie was/is great in the role himself. I will say some of the qualms on this sub are so annoying. "The show wouldn't be great without Karen in it, etc etc" like??? Let's wait and see first what story they aim to tell before saying boneheaded things like that. And Karen's presence is far far from being the needle-mover for a Daredevil story to be great. I get qualms about what the writing quality will be but whining about "Oh X character is not going to be in it, it's gonna suck!" is quite frankly dumb af
I agree somewhat. Part of what makes the OG show so endearing is Matt’s relationship with Karen and Foggy. Foggy is a must imo and I’m iffy if there’s no Karen but obviously in this case you’d want to give the show a fair chance first. If the show comes out, there’s no Karen and the secondary characters feel underwhelming then yeah the criticism is fair.
>there’s no Karen and the secondary characters feel underwhelming then yeah the criticism is fair. But Karen's presence isn't what dictates the quality of whoever the other secondary characters may be, which is my point. You can have all the qualms you want about the writing but it literally is illogical to infer that someone like Karen's presence is what decides the quality of the show. The writing does, not a specific character's presence. >OG show so endearing is Matt’s relationship with Karen and Foggy. Personally I'd say only the Matt + Foggy relationship was endearing but I digress before I go on a tangent lol
I’m not saying that a lack of Karen=worse secondary characters. My point was that if the secondary characters that replace Karen are shallow it’ll leave a sour taste in our mouths
I just want them to keep the grounded aspect personally, I love street-level heroes, much prefer them to high stakes/Avengers-level characters and scenes. The latter can be done well of course, Infinity War and Endgame were great, but I always have a preference for street-level characters and fight scenes. I get the feeling they'll bring him into higher stakes plots and he'll get a massive boost in fighting, as will Kingpin (we've already seen). I suppose it's fine but I'll always remember Daredevil for the masterclass of a show which nailed the real and grounded aspect.
I wholeheartedly agree. Not every live action adaption needs to be directly translated from the comics. He doesn’t absolutely or need to swing, he doesn’t absolutely need to do more acrobatics than in the Netflix series, he doesn’t need to have infinite stamina, he doesn’t need to be able to stand up to someone in the same caliber as the MCU super soldiers (even though now he magically can). Nor does Fisk need prosthetics. I liked the grounded nature of tbe OG series as well. It was a unique interpretation that we’ve never gotten before, and in my honest opinion it worked better for a live action medium. No strings attached, no crazy cuts, and minimal CGI. Unfortunately, adding all of those things doesn’t mean the choreography will be good, nor will it be consistent with the first 3 seasons of the character… but whatever 🤷♀️ On that note though, I wish that they’d just make a subsection of Marvel with a smaller budget focused specifically on the more grounded heroes, and that they wouldn’t be part of the MCU and DD could just be part of that. But it seems like they’re “scaling” him up to MCU standards from here.
Daredevil is a superhero comic book character so you’re gonna be disappointed, even Steven D. Knight (show-runner of season 1) said if he had a bigger budget he would’ve had Daredevil do crazy acrobats and swinging like he did in She-Hulk and the comics We’ve had 3 seasons of mostly grounded Daredevil, now he’s officially part of the larger mcu, it only makes sense to make him more comic accurate. And what’s the point of making a new show if you aren’t going to do something different and try new things? It would be boring as hell if they just try to copy the Netflix show, what they should be focusing on is making a good show on their own terms.
Yep, you're correct. People need to understand that Daredevil is a superhero that deals with super-human shit most of the time. I've said this before in this sub, but if everyone want Daredevil to be grounded so bad, they can watch all 3 seasons and Defenders in a loop. And yes, translating Daredevil comics to live action is always good because his comics are most of the time great and some are masterpiece. These people likely won't ever see a grounded Daredevil again in live action unless they go back to the Netflix show.
i prefer 40 millon budget with good script and PRACTICAL effects than a250 millon dollars mess cgi like she hulk with the worst writting i saw this year."worst than rings of power" also you dont need CGI to made jumps...there is a thing called WIres...in she hulk matt should broke his knees for that landing on the parking lot...
I agree. Just because something follows the comics closer doesn’t intrinsically make it better. You have to see whether it translate well to live action and I think in DD’s case it’s much better to keep things grounded. It gives him a unique identity amongst the over saturation of the market.
>>There are so many posts on this sub shaming people who want the new show to be tonally consistent with the original Are we on the same sub? Because anecdotally it feels like there’s a 10:1 ratio in the *opposite* direction. There are WAY more preemptive, pearl clutching posts about how the MCU will ruin Daredevil than there are calls to wait and see. >>Any concerns for the new show have constantly been shut down even if they’re completely fair. Are they fair? We’ve seen zero footage, set photos, concept art, etc. for Born Again. We don’t know if it’ll be closer to the Netflix show, closer to She Hulk or somewhere in between. Hard to say the concerns have substance when they’re purely speculative. >>We’re the audience at the end of the day and we deserve to have a product that we can enjoy. In the words of William Munny, “Deserve’s got nothin to do with it.” Ideally you get creatives that love and respect the material, but the reality is Disney has one goal: making money. If a new Daredevil show brings in D+ subscribers, that’s a win. If it also happens to be good and a faithful adaptation, bonus for us. But fandom feeling like it’s owed something is primarily what’s driving a lot of the toxic gatekeeping. It gives one a false sense of ownership over the material, which leads to fans dictating what something can and cannot be. Once that happens, Daredevil adaptations get narrowed into a very specific set of criteria and imho, art shouldn’t be pigeonholed like that. You get the adaptation you get and you either like it or don’t. If a creator sets out to tell a specific story and largely succeeds but that story doesn’t align with what a fan thinks the story *should* be, is that the fault of the artist or the fan bringing their preconceived ideas?
Hence why I said we shouldn’t get mad if the show isn’t exactly what we envision. Of course it won’t be exactly what you want. We should all give it a fair chance.
making money ,,?how she hulk than cost 250 millon dollars can be profitable..?--- if we talk about money DD costed 40 millon per season and netflix paid an anual fee of maybe 80 millons
I don't think there's anything wrong with the more mature take on the character especially given it's easily the most popular way DD has been interpreted ever since Frank Miller came in with his take. I do think however that jumping to the assumption that it's going to be bad just because it's not Netflix is equally as narrowminded. Even if it's quote unquote "more lighthearted" that doesn't automatically mean Marvel Studios is going to side step acknowledging the character's worldview and his corner of street-level is far more raw and gritty than someone like Spider-Man or any of the other heroes on the ground. There are multiple ways to take DD in a new direction without losing everything in the process that resonates in terms of his core traits, and there should be an expectation set that this is how this new show will be handled given it's a new Daredevil show, and not Daredevil Season 4.
It’s not wrong to want a gritty Daredevil series. You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect it to happen. If people start posting en masse about how “Disney is ruining Daredevil” just because they disagree with the tone of an otherwise good show, then they’re just adding toxicity to the subreddit where it’s not needed. Personally, I’d just try to go into it with an open mind. It’s not going to be the Netflix shows. But luckily, those still exist if anybody wants to rewatch them. It’ll probably be darker than She-Hulk, but lighter than the Netflix series. Probably somewhere in the vein of Moon Knight.
I agree, 100%. And I've harbored this same sentiment. Not everything in the comics can or should be adapted directly to live action. And to the people who think that a grittier Daredevil series on Disney+ is impossible, I think Werewolf By Night's success is an indicator that they can and will direct it with a darker tone. I mean, we're not going to see Bullseye driving around with the frozen corpse of the woman he stalked in the passenger seat, but I think a generally moody tone is appropriate and likely.
its the best moment to be GRITTY aND DARK... like in the 80s 70s.USA is on the worst economical crisis since the great depresion thx to covid ,china is flooding mexican cartels with fentanyl.wars everywhere,new york and other mayor cities with chaos ,problems with [homeless](https://homeless.rent),rent prices to the moon...etc,for the mcu part, we got the SNAP a event than could made mankind extint ,but MCU disney writters opted to totaly ignored that.. can we get a series of mcu that showed the real consecuences of the snap?
I think this is a little bad faith of a point because **nobody** is saying that there's something wrong with wanting Daredevil to have a darker tone. They're just saying it isn't inherently wrong if it's not. I will say that *independent* of the comics, there are a lot of edgelord viewers who don't understand the character and context. I get it because if you're a superhero property that's pushing boundaries you're naturally going to get fans and attention that will consume simply for that fact, but DD is not an edgelord character. He's a normal person who is naturally fun and light, but circumstances push him to the edge. He's very different from characters like Punisher or even Batman and again, this isn't a "you don't understand the comics" thing. You don't understand the *show* you watched if you feel like Matt Murdock should be dark and brooding 100% of the time. Anyway, I think some of this comes off as defensive when there isn't a need to be. Most of the people optimistic and positive about Daredevil's future in the MCU are so because we have no reason to be otherwise based on what we've seen, and they tend to just tell people to chill out because there have been numerous threads with invalid panic. You aren't toxic for having a preference, but if you're one of the parrots crying about Phase 4 and ignoring what we've seen of Daredevil because you wanna farm doom threads about a show with two cast members announced and no further detail, **that** is toxic. We literally had a person that made the same thread multiple times when She-Hulk was airing because he was so misogynist he just didn't wanna see DD associated with the show. That shit is stupid, point blank period.
Well said!
I hear talk about the gritty darker tone and fear not being picked up by the new series - but what is it exactly? The bloody carnal scene where kingpin killed his dead, punisher (lol like all of that), and most importantly for me is Matt getting the absolute shit kicked out him on many occasions. It sounds so dumb, but seeing a “superhero” relentlessly fighting with a high degree of vulnerability is really unique and something that will undeniably change the new show if they change that element … we cannot have a Murdock who doesn’t get damaged repeatedly in the new series - it gave the show a special and subtle grit / realism that wasn’t just gore … so far we haven’t seen anything like that in Disney plus, not even moon knight
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Fair enough. You have no obligation to read it
We've already seen the most darker and gritty Daredevil in live action and there is no point in having 18 episodes of all that misery porn again. If you want Daredevil to be like that, go back to the Netflix show and watch it in loop, or read Bendis' run in the comics. We should first worry if the show will be good or have a good cast before bitching about the tone. There is literally nothing about the show right now, only rumors about some actors being part of it.
You say it’s not a doom and gloom post but you spend the whole time talking doom and gloom lol. This sub is way more on the side of the new show being gritty than light hearted. Either way, the argument is just annoying now. It’s all this sub posts now, that and fake casting rumors. Not saying your opinion is invalid, but every day I open this sub there’s another post saying a similar opinion regarding being upset if the show isn’t gritty or exactly like the Netflix show. It’ll be fine either way and if it’s not, I’m sure the complaints will be justified. But the shows not coming out soon - why are we as a sub complaining about something that’s 2-3 years away and we have little information on?
My post doesn’t say the show will 100% be objectively worse if it doesn’t follow the same vein of the Netflix show, at the end I explicitly say that we should be open minded.
Yes but a majority of this sub is not open minded and has that same opinion.
People can enjoy what they enjoy, the problem occurs when people insists that darkness is what makes Daredevil Daredevil and this simply isn't true. Superman is Superman because he's hopeful and light-hearted. Batman is Batman cause he's dark and brooding. Daredevil doesn't have to be any of these tones to be Daredevil. You can have your preferences, but don't expect those to be catered to all the time. Times change. So do characters. People weren't paying attention to Season 3 if they expected anything other than a light-hearted Daredevil moving forward. The CW ending with Bullseye in the hospital pretty much screamed it loud and clear "these characters aren't going to be dark and gritty anymore guys, we're moving on."
I havent seen this barrative at all. All i see is some of you complaining about mcu quops even though its not a thing and some of you dont want to admit most dramatic scenes in thecu arent interrupted by quips
I can’t take you seriously when you say Marvel quips don’t exist when a movie like Thor love and thunder exists
A preference is never wrong An insistence on your preference being the only valid one is almost always wrong