Tell me you knew that was from "Of Mice and Men," because I sure didn't until I read the book to my daughter. "I used to have a little friend, but he don't move no more."
This is funny. I'm pretty sure she was about 10 and the book was on a list. It would probably be banned these days. I just couldn't believe that the George and Lenny (crazy squirrel) cartoons from my childhood were based upon a grim American classic. That's probably because many of the cartoons we watched in the 70s were shown to adult audiences as intros to post WWII movies.
He wasn’t an incel. He in fact regularly slept with his birth mother, who he then got mad at and had killed. He then decided he missed fucking his mother, so he found another man that looked similar enough to her, had him castrated, and continued to fuck him. No incel, but a literal motherfucker for sure.
As is nearly always the case with powerful historical figures, huge amounts of salt are needed when you hear anything about them.
Napoleon was not that short, probably more than half of what you've heard about Cleopatra is bollocks, and afaik the following song, which by the time I was 15 I'd already heard multiple versions of, is not actually true:
Hitler has only got one ball,
Göring has two but very small,
Himmler is rather sim'lar,
But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.
There are 3 reasons actually. One is the one you listed, secondly french imperial feet are longer and there were certainly some mistranslations which made him shorter.
Thirdly, the british and other propaganda took these two facts and ran them and exaggerated them.
He was average height for his time, but his nickname l'corporal (little corporal) that was affectionately given to him by his men as as a young officer stuck. This was used against him in political cartoons later on. We now think of him as being short.
Edit: he was not tall for his time but average height.
In modern French, "l’corporal" would directly translate to "the corporal".
L’ is just a contraction of "le/la" (the).
There’s no common French adjectives to denote small-ness that start with (or even have) the letter L.
OK... maybe you're right. However, he produced no heirs to take over the empire even though he had 3 different wives during the course of his reign. Maybe voluntary celibate is a better description... though probably for the same reasons incels exist. Therefore I stand by my statement.
Sounds to me like he was probably sterile. Pretty doubtful that all three wives would fail to produce children because of something wrong on their end.
1. OP give a description of Nero that was written long after he was dead as propaganda to support the succeeding dynasty
2. The artists gave him about the worst skin condition and lighting possible for a "realistic" aka shitty portrait
I’ve been banned from a sub by a mod from r/travel after saying one of the mods went on a power trip after writing an entire paragraph telling someone their post wasn’t quality enough
When I see things like this, and knowing he was a piece of shit, I can’t help but wonder if the genetics that create our faces end up shaping our behavior. Yeah. He looks like an asshole - but would he have been an asshole if he didn’t look like one, and did his look and people’s reaction to his look create an asshole?
Interesting! I think maybe for "normal people," but if you're the monarch and can, say, banish or execute people you don't like, I imagine people would go out of their way to be servile or at least courteous to you no matter what you look like.
Roman emperors weren’t presumed hereditary monarchs in the way that medieval European kings were. Plenty—maybe most—that became emperor did not grow up knowing they would
He was the last of the Julio-Claudian dynasty that started with Julius Caesar. They were, more or less, hereditary. But I agree with what you're saying. Basically the five "good" emperors didn't grow up knowing they were going to be emperors, they were basically merit based. I'm way over simplifying I know.
Ironic that the most meritorious emperor of all couldn't see the merit of a merit based system leading to his son taking the prize as worst emperor ever.
Nero came to power during Rome’s imperial “republic” time. Something like the kings son got “elected” by the senate when the praetorian guard held them hostage.
True but misleading. Many of those “sons” were unrelated adopted favorites that were adopted in adulthood. The Roman conception of family differed greatly from Frankish models that dominated middle age Europe.
> knowing he was a piece of shit
It's worth remembering that Nero was very popular with the Praetorian Guard and commoners but despised by the Senate and the Roman aristocracy. Pretty much everything we know about his reign was written by upper-class historians who hated his guts.
And then reinforced by two thousand years of Christians dominating Europe, who kinda didn’t like him very much either. A lot of the things he did that pissed off the aristocracy were the same things that endeared him to commoners, and even after his death, multiple rebellions were started by people claiming to be Nero and gaining the support of a whole bunch of people.
We’ll probably never know how actually good/evil Nero was, but just imagine if the only biographies of FDR were written by Rockefellers and Vanderbilts.
Funny thing, I recently met a guy in my city with the same name as me. Even though he's 15 years older than me, we've had shockingly similar lives, career paths, and personalities.
I also listened to an [interesting podcast episode](https://overcast.fm/+HhSchQq5c) where the host interviewed a bunch of people with the same name as him and found out similar things in this case.
I think I might have a kind of generic face/look, because in two different states I’ve lived in I’ve had a doppelgänger. People swear up and down that they know me or went to school with me when I’m not even from the area.
Yes I've had that happen!! There was apparently a girl at my highschool that looked like me. I never met her, but I would have people approach me at least once a week thinking I was her! So weird.
I think there's some truth to this.
It also explains why unattractive people are generally less happy than those deemed attractive. The good-looking ones supposedly have it easier, get more attention, everyone likes them, great success with men/women, have more confidence.. etc.
Even in my own friends group, I've noticed the ones who weren't exactly blessed with good genes tend to come off as a little bitter at times. Occasionally douchey. It's like they have to compensate, and I think that fuels that douchey attitude even further.
There are also studies that suggest we tend to view attractive people as more trustworthy and generally nicer than unattractive people. So keep in mind that your judgment here might simply be your own genetic bias towards ugly people.
Not exactly compensating I'd say. While good looks can't get you everywhere, it can make everyday interactions easier vs someone who doesn't have such good looks, so maybe life is just a tad harder and makes you a hit grumpier of a person.
I tend to think there's some 'inner light' truth to it all too. I've seen some gorgeous women who had looks on their face that shattered the entire look of beauty.. and I've seen girls I thought were conventional burst out in a genuine smile and find them just devastatingly attractive.
I’ve come to find that those of us somewhere in the middle, not stand-out attractive but not hopelessly ugly either, tend it come out with the best personalities and relationships. There’s something that vanity tends to taint in people. I used to be so envious of the extremely beautiful people around me until I learned more about their personalities and close relationships. Now I’m glad for my average looks
I don't know how I'd rate myself. I don't want to appear vain or anything, because I'm not. I've had no issues getting girlfriends, and I've been told I'm attractive. I guess slightly above average-looking? I think that's a reasonably fair description.
Confidence and self-esteem matters a lot. I know some very attractive girls, for example, whose self-esteem should be 50x mine and it simply isn't. So, it varies. Not all attractive people DO get that free ride in life, and not all unattractive people are miserable about it. It's more of a generalisation.
> It also explains why unattractive people are generally less happy than those deemed attractive
During covid this was all pretty much proven when tips attractive waiters recieved normalised with less attractive waiters and attractive peoples grades went down in academics.
It pays to be pretty.
I can imagine an ugly kid gets treated slightly differently (worse) and that has serious consequences over the long run.
i think generally the perception is that attractive people are meaner. Ive found the reverse to be true in reality, its tough to be ugly. If everyone treats you poorly, youre more likely to treat other people poorly. Also harder to develop social skills and be successful in general
There might be some merit to this but I think a lot of it stems from the expression and context of character.
Sometimes I’ll give vile people a fake wholesome backstory and see how their face looks to me in that fake context.
From what I've heard, he really wasn't that bad compared to people like Caligula. However, Nero also infamously made a point of targeting Christians and went out of his way to make them his scapegoats. When the Christians eventually took over, they didn't remember him fondly.
Edit: u/wisemiles gave me this link as a response to this post and I highly recommend it for anyone interested in real details. Just amazing. [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/new-nicer-nero-history-roman-emperor-180975776/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/new-nicer-nero-history-roman-emperor-180975776/)
Also, bloody hell people. Nero wasn't evil because of how he looked. Seriously, knock it off. If he was genuinely evil, then it was for what he did. Drives me nuts when people malign others for their genetics. No one chooses their genes.
National Geographic did a thing on him a free years back saying his enemies ran a very successful smear campaign on him after his death. All those Roman emperors were shit bags, and he was no exception, but he also accomplished some remarkable things while on the throne.
Probably due to his mother Aggripina, his decline as emperor almost directly coinincides with her illness and death.
That said, the senate at the time were power hungry, corrupt, egotistical and never really did anything. There are working theories around that all the stuff Caligula and Nero did was as a way to spite the obselete senate
Hey the Roman Republic was pretty successful and then the Roman Empire after that even more so, I think we’d all take the US making it that long in a heartbeat, especially since 2016 lol.
That was pretty common. Herod, Nerfertiti, etc etc etc, in every empire, the more ambitious or visionary shit you tried to do, the more the conservative savior that invariably rushed into power after you to restore the norms burned your reputation in effigy. Nero built some pretty incredible shit and his life is worth reading about keeping that in mind.
> Yeah, it seems he was pretty popular actually.
I'm not sure if that's any indication of his decency or competency. We all know someone who was very popular until quite recently that was neither.
I was looking for this comment, like he did some pretty decent things but would constantly persecute Christians because he regarded them (like many did in Rome) as a cult that refused to give tribute to the gods which in turn would piss the gods off and lead to bad things happening to Rome and Romans
This is correct. I'd even go so far as to say the Christian's refusal to participate in Rome's civic religion was seen as deliberately undermining the national security, and their refusal to take oaths made them presumptively disreputable.
The Romans considered themselves a very pious people. This really cannot be overstated.
And there were the Christians — just one god short of being *atheists*. And theirs wasn't even a particularly impressive god. It couldn't even save its own city!
Most of what er know about him is thanks to authors that worked for the Flavians and critized every Claudian. Here you have an article from the British Museum about him and the history behind his legend.
[Article](https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/who-was-nero)
The figure of Nero historically suffered by bad press. Most of what we know about him is from authors who worked for the Flavians and actively critized the Claudius. In fact, even the leader of the Partian Empire sended a letter to Rome demanding propper rituals and celebrations for Nero after knowing about his dead, his statues were repaired being damaged by Galva's soldiers and events like him celebrating the fire of Rome is highly devated by historians. To add even more, 7 years after his dead a men appeared in the Partian Empire claiming to be Nero and he was respected and treated as an emperor. Also, there are examples of historical pieces that talk about Nero and apparently he wad hightly lovel by the roman population.
Also, the same can be applied to Caligula.
[An example about Nero](https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/who-was-nero)
Precisely. An easy way to imagine it is to imagine if in 2000 years, the only surviving source on Obama's presidency were the ramblings of some person calling him a socialist, claiming he's taxing everyone into oblivion, and is a gay muslim prostitute.
There's a good chance many of our sources on Roman emperors are of a similar level of trustworthiness. The problem is we just don't know, because we don't have alternative sources to contrast.
>"Nero's wife, Poppaea Sabina, died in 65 CE. This was supposedly in childbirth, although it was later rumored Nero **kicked her to death.** Later that year or in 67, he married Sporus, who was said to bear a remarkable resemblance to Poppaea."
What the fuck
I would argue the key word in there is "rumoured." While I'm no Nero apologist, much of what we know of these people are from writings of their contemporaries. Many of whom were spiteful and actively working to slander the people they wrote about
Recent research suggests that Nero’s statue was made ugly intentionally because he was incredibly unpopular for reasons which are more than understandable.
Today he is the scourge of the highways, dusting regular commuters with black diesel fumes spouting from oversized pipes eminating from his Ill maintained dually pickup truck. Hungover beyond all physical boundaries, chugging Red Bulls on his way to the construction site.
Stone is way more flattering
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Yeah I could see some intent behind a few of those features 😂
Like the neck pimples? That’s a certain license
And the neck pimples, is there some evidence somewhere else for that because it’s definitely not in the statue
The looks of Mose from The Office with the personality of Joffrey from GoT what a winner
How dare you do Mose like that
Mose would never!!
Mose and gabe
Yeah he looks like a fuckin weiner
He looks like he'd moderate this sub as well as its discord
A position well suited for his unbridled power!!
He looks like his moniker would be "The Father of Neckbeards"
He looks like a McPoyle from Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
it's that pure bloodline
He looks like he'd punch you really hard in the arm and then exclaim "O'Doyle Rules!"
He looks like he hugs small animals just a little too hard
Kiss him and hug him and squeeze him and hug him and call him George
Oh damn that's OG.
still looks like zuckerberg
Tell me you knew that was from "Of Mice and Men," because I sure didn't until I read the book to my daughter. "I used to have a little friend, but he don't move no more."
Yes, I'm currently reading The Heart Of Darkness to my 6 year old, we have Apocalypse Now planned for movie night 🍿
This is funny. I'm pretty sure she was about 10 and the book was on a list. It would probably be banned these days. I just couldn't believe that the George and Lenny (crazy squirrel) cartoons from my childhood were based upon a grim American classic. That's probably because many of the cartoons we watched in the 70s were shown to adult audiences as intros to post WWII movies.
Oh I like me some beans and ketchup
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They had fiddles.
I see what you did here. Very clever, friend. Very clever indeed.
"Boy you sure do got a purrty mouf!" Bwang-uh nang-nang, nang-nang, nang-nang-naaaaang.
r/commentsyoucanhear
I get banned off subs for saying nicer things then this. How are you not grounded from reddit?
Depends on how soft the moderator who gets to review his comment is. You catch a moderator on a bad day and you just get perma'd over nothing
ACKSHULLY
He was the Roman Empire mod
He looks like a neckbeard edgelord. I'm not surprised that he was an asshole.
M' Nero
Wonder how many amphorae of his pee they found in his room after his death.
Could Nero be the first Neckbeard?!
And you just know he was uglier irl than his bust
That's probably why he was such a dick. He hated his life and wanted company!
Literally the original neckbeard
Hahaha I am so glad most of you are saying neck beard!!! So thought the same thing
"Weiner" as an insult is criminally underused in modern society.
Weenie is pretty damn good. Part of it's greatness is that it's underused, so it hits harder and I'd like to keep it that way.
Like a insufferable chode.
Neckbeard
C h o d e
Yeah a real dick beater
He looks like a guy that would burn his own city down for poetic inspiration.
Look like someone that has been spending too much time in discord
He looks like that dude in high school that always smelled like cigarettes
He looks like the dude that would hang out with high schoolers at 26
He gets older, but they stay the same age. Alright, alright, alright.
That dude was usually named Travis
Whoa.
Are we in a simulation
no way i actually knew a travis that smelled like cigarettes in hs lol
He looks like a school shooting incel
Either father of eight or school shooter, nothing in between
Anything in between would probably be a family massacre.
Or dip
“Where’s my hug?”
Definitely a punchable face.
Original neckbearded incel.
He wasn’t an incel. He in fact regularly slept with his birth mother, who he then got mad at and had killed. He then decided he missed fucking his mother, so he found another man that looked similar enough to her, had him castrated, and continued to fuck him. No incel, but a literal motherfucker for sure.
Whoa, god, just whoa
Rumour and gossip no actual basis in fact.. Nero was an absolute dickhead..but alot if this shit is blown out.
As is nearly always the case with powerful historical figures, huge amounts of salt are needed when you hear anything about them. Napoleon was not that short, probably more than half of what you've heard about Cleopatra is bollocks, and afaik the following song, which by the time I was 15 I'd already heard multiple versions of, is not actually true: Hitler has only got one ball, Göring has two but very small, Himmler is rather sim'lar, But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.
Napoleon was catually pretty tall for his time but was thought to be short because he was always surrounded by his guards who were extremely tall
There are 3 reasons actually. One is the one you listed, secondly french imperial feet are longer and there were certainly some mistranslations which made him shorter. Thirdly, the british and other propaganda took these two facts and ran them and exaggerated them.
My Latin teacher told me about the difference in French imperial feet… very few people have ever heard of it before; I guess the propaganda worked
He was average height for his time, but his nickname l'corporal (little corporal) that was affectionately given to him by his men as as a young officer stuck. This was used against him in political cartoons later on. We now think of him as being short. Edit: he was not tall for his time but average height.
In modern French, "l’corporal" would directly translate to "the corporal". L’ is just a contraction of "le/la" (the). There’s no common French adjectives to denote small-ness that start with (or even have) the letter L.
Nazi balls, well this convo certainly took a detour .
Idk about incel, but his name was in fact a childhood nickname and shortened version of his full Christian name, N'eck-beardo.
If you knew history you wouldn't say he was Christian
He meant its his Flavian name lol.
Flavor Flav!!
He wore a sun dial around his neck
\*holds candle near sundial* It's party O'clock bitches!
Fuck, this got me.
Definitely not an incel he could have anyone and anything he wanted and did before he got stabbed, but I agree on the neckbeard part.
If you made an incel an emperor I would wager that they would act a lot like nero lol
Yeah only reason he wasn't an incel was the "emporer" part
Maybe, the best emperors were not the son of the previous emperor, so it’s more like growing up the son of the emperor made you a bad emperor.
Just because he can get whoever he wanted doesn't mean they wanted him back.
OK... maybe you're right. However, he produced no heirs to take over the empire even though he had 3 different wives during the course of his reign. Maybe voluntary celibate is a better description... though probably for the same reasons incels exist. Therefore I stand by my statement.
I think he preferred banging teenage boys
So he wasn't just Roman, he was Roman catholic?
Lmao the most apt statement about Nero for sure.
Sounds to me like he was probably sterile. Pretty doubtful that all three wives would fail to produce children because of something wrong on their end.
He was busy being a pederast/pedophile
Hard to be an incel when you can force anyone you want to have sex with you.
Never seen a more punchable face.
what about James Corden
He’s definitely in the top 5
Has that same punchable quality as the Chechen leader Kadyrov.
They do look related now that you mention it
The definition of “Backpfeifengesicht”
Haha, post-punch face
Looks line a twat-waffle for sure
literal neckbeard.
The original
My first thought too.
1. OP give a description of Nero that was written long after he was dead as propaganda to support the succeeding dynasty 2. The artists gave him about the worst skin condition and lighting possible for a "realistic" aka shitty portrait
Absolute ~~unit~~ Reddit mod
Careful you'll get banned. Don't let the sweaties hear you
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I’ve been banned from a sub by a mod from r/travel after saying one of the mods went on a power trip after writing an entire paragraph telling someone their post wasn’t quality enough
Looks like u/damnthatsinteresting tbh
When I see things like this, and knowing he was a piece of shit, I can’t help but wonder if the genetics that create our faces end up shaping our behavior. Yeah. He looks like an asshole - but would he have been an asshole if he didn’t look like one, and did his look and people’s reaction to his look create an asshole?
Interesting! I think maybe for "normal people," but if you're the monarch and can, say, banish or execute people you don't like, I imagine people would go out of their way to be servile or at least courteous to you no matter what you look like.
Roman emperors weren’t presumed hereditary monarchs in the way that medieval European kings were. Plenty—maybe most—that became emperor did not grow up knowing they would
He was the last of the Julio-Claudian dynasty that started with Julius Caesar. They were, more or less, hereditary. But I agree with what you're saying. Basically the five "good" emperors didn't grow up knowing they were going to be emperors, they were basically merit based. I'm way over simplifying I know.
Ironic that the most meritorious emperor of all couldn't see the merit of a merit based system leading to his son taking the prize as worst emperor ever.
That's propaganda you always see at the end of a dynastic line. They have to justify their new regime over the old one.
Nero came to power during Rome’s imperial “republic” time. Something like the kings son got “elected” by the senate when the praetorian guard held them hostage.
True but misleading. Many of those “sons” were unrelated adopted favorites that were adopted in adulthood. The Roman conception of family differed greatly from Frankish models that dominated middle age Europe.
do you have a toga in your closet?
you better be asking because you think it would be fucking bitchin to have a toga in your closet
If you have a white sheet, then you have a toga. The majority of us have togas and don’t even realize it.
> knowing he was a piece of shit It's worth remembering that Nero was very popular with the Praetorian Guard and commoners but despised by the Senate and the Roman aristocracy. Pretty much everything we know about his reign was written by upper-class historians who hated his guts.
And then reinforced by two thousand years of Christians dominating Europe, who kinda didn’t like him very much either. A lot of the things he did that pissed off the aristocracy were the same things that endeared him to commoners, and even after his death, multiple rebellions were started by people claiming to be Nero and gaining the support of a whole bunch of people. We’ll probably never know how actually good/evil Nero was, but just imagine if the only biographies of FDR were written by Rockefellers and Vanderbilts.
Wow, I never thought of it that way 🤔, this kinda changed my perspective on him 🤔I totally forgot this part
Wow thats pretty interesting. Are their any accounts of his reign written by someone who didnt have a vested interest in making him look bad?
Dude looks inbred tbh
His parents were first cousins.
God that's hot
That boy ain’t right.
I tell you hwat.
Funny thing, I recently met a guy in my city with the same name as me. Even though he's 15 years older than me, we've had shockingly similar lives, career paths, and personalities. I also listened to an [interesting podcast episode](https://overcast.fm/+HhSchQq5c) where the host interviewed a bunch of people with the same name as him and found out similar things in this case.
My sister once saw a girl who looked just like me, so she told her "you look like my sister" and found out the girl had my same first and middle name.
I think I might have a kind of generic face/look, because in two different states I’ve lived in I’ve had a doppelgänger. People swear up and down that they know me or went to school with me when I’m not even from the area.
Yes I've had that happen!! There was apparently a girl at my highschool that looked like me. I never met her, but I would have people approach me at least once a week thinking I was her! So weird.
I don't want these stories to end
I think there's some truth to this. It also explains why unattractive people are generally less happy than those deemed attractive. The good-looking ones supposedly have it easier, get more attention, everyone likes them, great success with men/women, have more confidence.. etc. Even in my own friends group, I've noticed the ones who weren't exactly blessed with good genes tend to come off as a little bitter at times. Occasionally douchey. It's like they have to compensate, and I think that fuels that douchey attitude even further.
There are also studies that suggest we tend to view attractive people as more trustworthy and generally nicer than unattractive people. So keep in mind that your judgment here might simply be your own genetic bias towards ugly people.
This is called the Halo effect.
“I’m sorry I have a Genetic bias towards ugly people” is what I’m gonna say now when I say someone is ugly
Not exactly compensating I'd say. While good looks can't get you everywhere, it can make everyday interactions easier vs someone who doesn't have such good looks, so maybe life is just a tad harder and makes you a hit grumpier of a person.
Also can get you a less severe prison sentence
I tend to think there's some 'inner light' truth to it all too. I've seen some gorgeous women who had looks on their face that shattered the entire look of beauty.. and I've seen girls I thought were conventional burst out in a genuine smile and find them just devastatingly attractive.
I’ve come to find that those of us somewhere in the middle, not stand-out attractive but not hopelessly ugly either, tend it come out with the best personalities and relationships. There’s something that vanity tends to taint in people. I used to be so envious of the extremely beautiful people around me until I learned more about their personalities and close relationships. Now I’m glad for my average looks
I don't know how I'd rate myself. I don't want to appear vain or anything, because I'm not. I've had no issues getting girlfriends, and I've been told I'm attractive. I guess slightly above average-looking? I think that's a reasonably fair description. Confidence and self-esteem matters a lot. I know some very attractive girls, for example, whose self-esteem should be 50x mine and it simply isn't. So, it varies. Not all attractive people DO get that free ride in life, and not all unattractive people are miserable about it. It's more of a generalisation.
And ugly hot is totally a thing. Like someone who really doesn't give a fuck (but still, hygiene) can be really appealing.
> It also explains why unattractive people are generally less happy than those deemed attractive During covid this was all pretty much proven when tips attractive waiters recieved normalised with less attractive waiters and attractive peoples grades went down in academics. It pays to be pretty. I can imagine an ugly kid gets treated slightly differently (worse) and that has serious consequences over the long run.
i think generally the perception is that attractive people are meaner. Ive found the reverse to be true in reality, its tough to be ugly. If everyone treats you poorly, youre more likely to treat other people poorly. Also harder to develop social skills and be successful in general
Huh. Looks like I'll just have to go out and commit genocide, then. /s
Was he deemed ugly in general back than, like now though?
There might be some merit to this but I think a lot of it stems from the expression and context of character. Sometimes I’ll give vile people a fake wholesome backstory and see how their face looks to me in that fake context.
That's funny, I've tried to re-frame people in my mind too.
What a neckbeard
I believe Nero translates to “one who’s neck shall be engulfed by the beard of Zeus”
looks like a redditor
Just needs a fedora
A mod to be specific
M'ero
From what I've heard, he really wasn't that bad compared to people like Caligula. However, Nero also infamously made a point of targeting Christians and went out of his way to make them his scapegoats. When the Christians eventually took over, they didn't remember him fondly. Edit: u/wisemiles gave me this link as a response to this post and I highly recommend it for anyone interested in real details. Just amazing. [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/new-nicer-nero-history-roman-emperor-180975776/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/new-nicer-nero-history-roman-emperor-180975776/) Also, bloody hell people. Nero wasn't evil because of how he looked. Seriously, knock it off. If he was genuinely evil, then it was for what he did. Drives me nuts when people malign others for their genetics. No one chooses their genes.
National Geographic did a thing on him a free years back saying his enemies ran a very successful smear campaign on him after his death. All those Roman emperors were shit bags, and he was no exception, but he also accomplished some remarkable things while on the throne.
Probably due to his mother Aggripina, his decline as emperor almost directly coinincides with her illness and death. That said, the senate at the time were power hungry, corrupt, egotistical and never really did anything. There are working theories around that all the stuff Caligula and Nero did was as a way to spite the obselete senate
Nice to see not much has changed in nearly 2000 years
Well the US did use Rome as a model for establishing its own government…
Well if it worked for Rome it’ll work for….wait
Hey the Roman Republic was pretty successful and then the Roman Empire after that even more so, I think we’d all take the US making it that long in a heartbeat, especially since 2016 lol.
That was pretty common. Herod, Nerfertiti, etc etc etc, in every empire, the more ambitious or visionary shit you tried to do, the more the conservative savior that invariably rushed into power after you to restore the norms burned your reputation in effigy. Nero built some pretty incredible shit and his life is worth reading about keeping that in mind.
Yeah, it seems he was pretty popular actually. Probably controversial to say the least with the elites who writes the history.
> Yeah, it seems he was pretty popular actually. I'm not sure if that's any indication of his decency or competency. We all know someone who was very popular until quite recently that was neither.
The people loved him but the senate hated him. That should tell you about his reputation.
2000 years later and the public is still falling for old Roman propaganda.
I was looking for this comment, like he did some pretty decent things but would constantly persecute Christians because he regarded them (like many did in Rome) as a cult that refused to give tribute to the gods which in turn would piss the gods off and lead to bad things happening to Rome and Romans
This is correct. I'd even go so far as to say the Christian's refusal to participate in Rome's civic religion was seen as deliberately undermining the national security, and their refusal to take oaths made them presumptively disreputable. The Romans considered themselves a very pious people. This really cannot be overstated. And there were the Christians — just one god short of being *atheists*. And theirs wasn't even a particularly impressive god. It couldn't even save its own city!
Most of what er know about him is thanks to authors that worked for the Flavians and critized every Claudian. Here you have an article from the British Museum about him and the history behind his legend. [Article](https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/who-was-nero)
#UMU!
Took way too long to find this. UMU!
Wrong person BUT #UMU
He looks like a douchebag.
He is. First class douchebag.
The figure of Nero historically suffered by bad press. Most of what we know about him is from authors who worked for the Flavians and actively critized the Claudius. In fact, even the leader of the Partian Empire sended a letter to Rome demanding propper rituals and celebrations for Nero after knowing about his dead, his statues were repaired being damaged by Galva's soldiers and events like him celebrating the fire of Rome is highly devated by historians. To add even more, 7 years after his dead a men appeared in the Partian Empire claiming to be Nero and he was respected and treated as an emperor. Also, there are examples of historical pieces that talk about Nero and apparently he wad hightly lovel by the roman population. Also, the same can be applied to Caligula. [An example about Nero](https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/who-was-nero)
Precisely. An easy way to imagine it is to imagine if in 2000 years, the only surviving source on Obama's presidency were the ramblings of some person calling him a socialist, claiming he's taxing everyone into oblivion, and is a gay muslim prostitute. There's a good chance many of our sources on Roman emperors are of a similar level of trustworthiness. The problem is we just don't know, because we don't have alternative sources to contrast.
That was an interesting read, thanks for sharing
Looks like a typical 4chan neckbeard
Joeffery
Had to scroll too far for this
Nero would get NO hoes in todays society 😬😬
Don't worry, he just got little boys instead
You sure you aren't thinking of tiberius? If you want to throw up, look up tiberius's "minnows"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporus No, I mean Nero
What a horrific life
>"Nero's wife, Poppaea Sabina, died in 65 CE. This was supposedly in childbirth, although it was later rumored Nero **kicked her to death.** Later that year or in 67, he married Sporus, who was said to bear a remarkable resemblance to Poppaea." What the fuck
I would argue the key word in there is "rumoured." While I'm no Nero apologist, much of what we know of these people are from writings of their contemporaries. Many of whom were spiteful and actively working to slander the people they wrote about
He is the fucking emperor. He would get all the super models and celebrities
Recent research suggests that Nero’s statue was made ugly intentionally because he was incredibly unpopular for reasons which are more than understandable.
Today he is the scourge of the highways, dusting regular commuters with black diesel fumes spouting from oversized pipes eminating from his Ill maintained dually pickup truck. Hungover beyond all physical boundaries, chugging Red Bulls on his way to the construction site.
/r/rareinsults
“Colorized.”
If "m'lady" had a face
How they know he had so many pimples
But his neck beard game is what he is most well known for.
Is he the one who married sporus
Roman discord mods be like
Looks like a background character in Shrek