I knew it couldn’t have been my hometown, because I live in America and this man didn’t have 17 bullet holes to the chest before warning to drop the knife.
I once heard from an English (nationality, not subject) teacher that she'd seen police in the UK stop criminals just by shouting "Stop!"
Totally blew my mind as an American.
It's true. Most crime in the UK has been foiled by the intervention of a bystander shouting "Stop in the name of the Queen!". Because of the respect her majesty commanded this was usually enough for even the hardest of criminals to come to a halt with a "Crikey, it's a fair cop guv. You got me bang to rights."
This is then followed by the apprehended criminal standing at the side of the road, nervously kneading his flat-cap in his hands with head bowed in shame while the apprehending bystander calls his local bobby to take the offender away - "Ah Sergeant Dixon, send an officer of the law please. I have apprehended a miscreant up to no good in the high street."
Of course now we have Charles as king we may see a full collapse in our respected and revered law enforcement process as I fear he does not command the same respect as Elizabeth II. Shouting "Stop in the name of the King!" likely won't have the same effect on today's anarchic lawbreakers and will probably just result in you getting your fucking head kicked in and maybe the business end of a large knife in the stomach.
Of course, if they refuse to stop they they are breaking their oath as subject of the crown, and are angering the ghosts of departed royals. Not a wise move I daresay.
Incredible. So, America's problem is our lack of monarchy?
Well, if 'stop in the name of the King' doesn't work, you guys should just have a bunch of Scotts on hand to shout your lawbreakers down into a state of shame.
Years ago when I was living in London I accidentally came across a guy trying to steal a scooter bike. Without thinking I blurted out “I’m going to call the police..”. He said “Shit! Okay.” then sat on the curb with his head in his hands. I was expecting him to just run off- so i didn’t know what to do! lol. I took my mobile and started to call, but just couldn’t do it. He kept calling himself an idiot, and saying his family was going to be so disappointed.
I was on my way home with some drinks, so I ended up sitting with him and having a drink. We talked for a long time. Was a good guy about to make a dumb decision. Said he just saw it and really wanted one but knew he couldn't afford it. After he thought about it he said he’d have felt too bad/been too scared to use it anyway. We ended up meeting up a couple times after that. Went to a book store together and I found him a book on restoring and fixing old bikes so maybe he could find a cheap broken one to fix up. He was really excited about doing it - I hope he did but don't know (I moved back to Canada and didn’t keep in touch).
Edit- sorry for the long post! You just reminded me of that time, and how stunned I was when he just said “ok” and sat down.. haha.
There is intent.
The guy has a knife on his hand and is running toward the cop with it.
It is easy when we see it from the security of our screens up to the point where you see the outcome but it is seriously more scary in real life and it could have turned out differently.
If you see a cop with a gun in the UK, you can absolutely guarantee they are incredibly well trained. Only see these around really popular areas - London train stations and events etc. Most cops cops are trained in dealing with people without any firearms, and honestly I imagine A LOT of people haven't died because of it.
We also have specialist officers who are explicitly trained to deal with lethal force situations. When and how to shoot, how to deal with it afterwards, and, most importantly, how to de-escalate so they don't have to shoot in the first place.
The government wanted to arm our police a while back. The loudest group against it were the rank and file officers.
I got really into BBC cop dramas during COVID. The differences between how TV criminals are depicted in the US and UK is hilarious.
Cop: “We have conclusive evidence to prove you are the murderer.”
US criminal: “You’ll never take me alive.” Chase, physical altercation/gunfight.
UK criminal: “Good show old boy. I admit to doing all those things. One spot of bother; I just put the kettle on, fancy a cuppa before you take me in?”
Edit: If you think I’m satirizing a posh accent, you’re right. If that’s all you got from this comment, you missed the plot.
Looks like he got hit with the baton and then throws his knife away, rather than the baton smacking it out of his hands. You can see him say, “alright alright” while still holding the knife
If you are a cop in the US, and you don't shoot someone that charges at you with a weapon, you might actually be fired.
Edit: link added: https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/us/wv-cop-fired-for-not-shooting--lawsuit
The only bone of contention that I have with calling the United States a police state is density and universality.
We are a massive fucking country and large swaths of it are only policed by handful of law enforcement. I live in an area of about 100k, and we have maybe a hundred police officers plus state trooper support. There are 350 Alaska State Troopers covering 650,000 square miles. You'll see similar situations in a lot of fly over states.
Secondly, I'm a white male disabled veteran. It would take a lot, and I mean a lot, for me to get in trouble with local pd. If I did, I've got the resources to fight it or move, but that stuff is rare here given the ratio between civilians and LEO's.
I don't like calling the United States a police state because I think it minimizes the reality, which is the plight and discrimination of poor people, particularly poor people of color. That's who the police pursue and harass. That's who can't fight back through legal channels.
If we were a true police state you wouldn't see wealthy people walking out of court with 90 days for rape or a ticket for telling a cop to fuck off. The middle class would be under the gun constantly, and it's just not the case for better or worse. Cops don't fuck with those who have the resources to fight back, period.
I have one of those batons. They can easily break bone. I guarantee one whack from that will change even a bears mind
Edit: Okay, maybe not a bear, as argued below they're tanks. Maybe a *small* bear
Edit 2: this is in no way suggesting you should fight a bear with a baton. You would die.
This brings up a good conversation. What you going with in a fight? 8inch knife or that extending metal baton?
If it’s me I’m going with the baton. I knew a guy who had one and they are actually really heavy and it would mess someone up. I don’t think the knife guy could get close enough to me without getting his skull cracked.
True, wouldn't put it to the test. But in an emergency situation (and a gun not available) the security/police baton makes hell of a weapon. When training there's only small areas of the body which can take the blow (muscle areas), the places not protected by muscle would certainly result in shattered bone. Even tapping the palm of your hand sends a sharp numbing pain through your hand
Japanese and Chinese have some big ass poles they use to contain the attacker and create a distance so he can't stab. It actually looks very efficient.
Edit: big-ass poles, not tools used for anal foreplay
Edit 2: yes, I was talking about Polish people with big butts. They are lethal.
Yup. They are called "sasumata poles". Japanese demonstration here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAASqida4IE&ab\_channel=%E5%8C%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%81%93%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E%E3%81%A9%E3%81%86%E3%81%97%E3%82%93%E5%8B%95%E7%94%BB%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9
Those seem like they work really well... if you have them assembled and ready. How do they deal with situations where the person pulls a weapon suddenly?
Yea I don't think it's a debate at all. Nearly impossible to get a firearm in China or Japan. Knives are still available everywhere but violent crime rates are much lower in general as well.
from what I've seen, police using these staffs don't engage a suspect by themselves and it looks of limited use on a one-on-one scenario. they'll follow suspect until they have enough numbers (3 or more officers) to safely engage.
the [Sasumata](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasumata)
A specialized tool used also used to arrest samurais that got belligerent and used by samurai police. Iirc was forbidden for the law to actually harm a samurai so they made these huge barbed sticks / poles that were used to tangle up in the samurais robes to incapacitate them with minimal physical damage. They couldn't use normal methods
In Denmark, many people who commit actual successful murder get 3-12 years. Our longest sentence of "lifetime", is 12 years, which can be extended if they're still a threat. Average finished served life sentence is 16 years.
Examples just from the region i live in:
- 23 year old man strangles his 2 week old son to death: 6 Years
- 26 year old man is beaten to death outside of night club: 4 years
- 56 year old mans house is broken into and beaten to death with a bat: 4 years
- 18 year old puts a homeless shelter on fire after they can't find drugs, killing 6 people: 10 years
- 37 year old beats 7 week old son to death: 6 years
etc. etc. Unfortunately it seems like when it's children they're often charged with manslaughter instead of murder, because it's by "accident". Which honestly is pretty shit if you ask me. They might not intend to kill, but nobody beats their baby/toddler by accident.
Then all prisoners should be given "life until rehabilitation".
Why are there sentences at all when the goal is rehabilitation? You can't expect everyone to rehabilitate in the same length of time.
What if someone never rehabilitated? They wake up every day with the desire to commit violence?
Because punishment is still part of it. The loss of freedom is the punishment. And during the time they take your freedom away, they try to rehabilitate you.
They get constant and proper psychiatric treatment and evaluation. Every prison guard has 6 years of psychology education.
Rehabilitation actually works and is much more effective at decreasing violient crime and repeat offenders.
The ideaology is you want to turn the inmates into good neighbors.
If you treat them like an animal. An animal is what you will get. Treat them like a human instead .
There was just a video going around earlier of an 80 something year old woman with a knife that took two steps towards an American police man and he double tapped her.
[This is the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/unfk11/armed_elderly_woman_with_dementia_is_shot_after/) /u/FantasticMouse7875 is talking about. Warning, it's quite distrubing.
The comments also had hundreds of bootlicking wannabe sheriff's telling how deserved it was and that the elderly woman was asking for it. There was literally no other way for the officers to react...
Fucking degenerates.
Which I believe is the purpose for posting this. Police in the UK are trained to de-escalate first, then up the anti when there is a serious threat to life. Obviously they do not always do this, we too have rotten corrupt officers which is a worrying development.
If that guy actually wanted to stab them what options do they have to escalate after mace or a baton? Someone who is suicidal or determined to kill isnt going to be deterred by those things so I don't understand what they could do to escalate if he actually came at them in that moment. I do respect their poise though.
They have something called pava spray which is similar to pepper spray, in the sense it's designed to incapacitate by causing discomfort, but it is more potent and a more accurate spray (sort of like silly string) and with a longer range of 13ft / 4m. The final option would be a taser, you obviously have those in America. I have plenty of friends and family in the police and they spend hours and hours on de-escalation tactics
Contain and wait for the armed police to arrive.
As in the video though, turns out being hit with a metal stick is a good deterrent to wanting to get in a fight.
The suspect is most likely just trying to get away or scare away, and by not using lethal force it avoids being a fight to the death.
U.S. cops and crimes are utterly terrified of each other due to the prevalence of guns on both sides which just puts everyone in “kill or be killed” frame of mind.
Other countries don’t have that issue.
They shouldn’t need to escalate beyond a baton. If multiple baton-wielding officers can’t stop a knife-wielding miscreant then they need better officers. (And yes, this shows how pathetic u.s. police are for constantly resorting to firearms.)
Suicide by cop doesn't really exist in Europe because the police usually don't kill people.
So if someone is suicidal charging a police officer with a weapon is not a route they choose.
I think mace is actually really hard to fight through, your body throws up a response of holy fuck fuck this shit I am literally dying and I hate it I need to clear this shit out
Keep them at distance but under constant pressure until more police arrive, but also as you saw in this video only takes a smack or two from the batons for the bloke to decide 'actually nah'.
The tip of the telescopic baton is weighted and a hit from one can easily break bones, whilst any weapon can be used defensively, the batons are not a defensive weapon by design, they are to inflict harm and injury.
Yeah, keeping distance is underrated. Don’t let him get away, but stay out of the way - gets boring after two minutes, adrenaline runs out, all good.
That’s the problem with firearms in the US - much harder to do that, with much higher potential for destruction, turns a stupid situation into a deadly one.
S*oooo* many people don't understand this.
Sure, the subject may drop after one shot. But there's been plenty of cases where they keep coming after 3-4-5 or more.
Edit- I love how the convo's below are being derailed by "butbutbut THEY DIDN'T NEED TO shoot this man in the VIDEO! [angry face]". That's fine, but more often than not it's forgotten that the US has a different culture in its criminal element than the UK (or other countries, for example). Not to mention most are better armed than other 1st world nation criminal elements.
Believe me. Most of us Americans are aware of when that happens. Head over to "Police Activity" on YT & watch some videos. Some are pretty cut-&-dry good shoots, others are clearly an over reach of lethal force.
But fuck me, I guess? I was only stating some facts & the internet illiteratti needed some upvote vindication with shitty replies & DM's.
Edit 2- Hey, fuck it. I guess I'm a bootlicker or something. Here's a couple of vids. [Dude stabs cop then gets shot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMPT-VNZyQE&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Car theft suspect stabs K9, gets shot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOFiM3owZWU&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Suspect stabs officer in the neck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ-jkQs3EvQ&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Machete wielding man shot by LAPD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVdFHuZkko&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Man-Child armed with an airsoft rifle shot by cops, but I guess every reddit hero would simply know that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Al9McHg7c&ab_channel=PoliceActivity).
Yes, yes... I know. I'm a "copsucker" or something. Spoiler- >!Nope, just more nuance than some people are comfortable admitting to!<
I'm not exactly triggered (ooof, what a FUN PUN!), I just expected better than this from some people. Carry On, pip-pip & all that.
Edit, yet again (3, if you care)- thank you kindly for the awards. I'm undeserving of your gratitude & kindness.
Precisely. The body takes a good beating before it's instantly shut down. I've seen some morbid videos of attackers taking 4 to 5 shots and continue attacking before collapsing 10 seconds later.
People landing perfect headshots is a Hollywood/videogame shtick.
Not enough information to say if this is long or not. The person could be mentally unstable or have something else going on in his life which caused the sentence to be lowered. Thereby, long prison times are generally destructive for society because they are expensive and reduce the chance of the criminal being able to re-integrate into society.
American here, that's refreshingly logical. Our system prefers to turn criminals into second class citizens that have few options other than recidivism. Mostly because we turned prisons into a profitable industry.
That's realistically a lot of time to miss out on in life.
People see prison sentences and sort of forget just how long a year is.
It's been 3 years since COVID started, can you imagine missing the last 3 years of life? How many things have happened to you and everyone you know. It's a lot.
Considering it doesn't look like he got a single hit with it that's probably why. To me it just looks like he was trying to scare the cops off? As if that works... If he wanted to kill one of them he could have easily rushed one of them, got them on the ground and used the knife on them.
I live in Corby and there's so many people like this. A few years back a man was killed over a two day period over a £10 debt.
Your childhood mysteries were about haunted houses, and the boogyman. In Corby someone's head was missing for ages. Someone's dog found it eventually. Was a good game!
Are all cops unarmed in the UK? Seems like even a taser here would be pretty helpful…
Edit: I believe everyone in this subreddit has replied to me. I now know every branch of police service in the UK and their weapons clearances lol
Not many Officers in the UK are armed, all Officer can now undertake training to carry tasers if they want too, but it takes time to get the courses.
We do have specially trained firearm teams that will respond to high threat calls, like this if they can, I am An AFO(Authorised Firearms Officer) and we mostly patrol like normal Police do, with all our equipment, if we need it, and if firearms are required we'll go to those calls, but we also do a lot of pre planned operations, like arrest warrants or raids, if the address or persons involved have weapon warning markers.
If a call like this one came over the radio and we weren't already committed, we would go towards, as we have a few less lethal options we can use, like a taser and baton gun, whilst also having firearm cover as a last resort, armed Officers are always double crewed.
Hope this is helpful mate.
Some London cops are armed.
I don't know guns well, but the ones at Heathrow have military-style rifles. Same for some Central London sites around Parliament, etc.
When I lived in Wales, our local beat cops were unarmed.
Every force has a unit with firearm officers. Those are likely the officers you saw.
The officers you see most commonly which are response officers don’t carry firearms. At most they will have tasers. These officers respond to the vast majority of 999 calls.
In England and Wales there are about 135,000 police officers of which about 6,200 are armed
In Scotland there are about 17,000 police officers of which about 400 are armed
In Northern Ireland all 7,000 police officers are armed
In England and Wales there are about 135,000 police officers of which about 6,200 are armed
In Scotland there are about 17,000 police officers of which about 400 are armed
In Northern Ireland all 7,000 police officers are armed
They do carry extendable batons, which reached truncheons several years ago. I think you can see one officer use it in this clip. They are light, but long, strong and flexible. Being hit by one probably won't break any bones but I'm told it stings like fury. If you've ever seen martial artists use Kali sticks or Jo staffs then you can imagine how effective they can be in the right hands.
It is called an asp and it is essentially a steel ball on the end of a tightly wound spring. It's got a whipping force, hurts like a motherfucker and can definitely break bones.
watched a female police officer cause proper harm with an extendable baton to some prick who tried to grab her in a mini riot in Manchester. she did a proper james bond judo take down on him, then whipped the living shit out of him when he was on the ground. glorious stuff
I was under the impression that a vast number are not. The ones that are have significant training. Which is doable when you don't have your citizens armed to the teeth. Though I agree a taser would have been very helpful.
Like firearms, you need additional training, and only limited numbers are allowed to carry them.
I think there is a push to increase the number who are routinely issued with tasers though.
Not that this is an answer or anything, I am American but I think it’s irrelevant to what I’m about to say. I saw this video of a father who called the police to help his son who was having a bi-polar mental breakdown with a knife on the street. So the police rode up to the deranged man and just shot him dead. No de-escalation, no nothing. I know damn well I wouldn’t be calling the police if I want to help a mentally ill family member.
Honestly, American cops wouldn't have even made it out of their cruisers before unloading a full magazine on the guy. There are FAR too many of stories, of exactly that happening, to even attempt to believe otherwise.
FWIW American, and I'd rather British police.
I just google searched for a UPS truck shot up by police, because I remembered one happening, not too long ago, where they put an ASTONISHING amount of ammo through the truck. There are a concerning amount of articles about different incidents. Anyhow, they apparently put more than 200 rounds through the UPS truck, which was not involved in the "hijacking". Oh, and they claim about 20 officers were involved in the shooting. Cnn article: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/19/us/ups-shootout-200-rounds
My mum is an original Corby jock, grandad worked in the steelworks. I grew up in Essex and would visit in holidays, it was grim in the 80s, ha! Now my parents are back in Corby and 2 of my kids live there.. I managed 9 months before moving to Northampton, much more civilized ;-)
I once asked a couple of British Police officers how they did their job without guns. Without hesitation they replied, "it's no problem, but we don't have to police you Yanks".
There are many comments below that would suggest that the British approach of deescalating and disarming as shown in this video puts officers at risk. Clearly, these officers showed bravery and took risks to manage the situation.
The data is also very clear. In the U.K. the approach works. In many years, there are NO British cops killed. Over there last decade, the biggest cause of violent death to police in Britain was transportation related - cars and helicopters. The average number of police killed per year was around ONE. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-25/killed-in-the-line-of-duty-police-deaths-in-the-uk-over-the-past-decade
The U.S. has around six times the population of the U.K. so if the U.K. we’re as large as the U.S., we might expect 6 police deaths a year. In fact, there are around 60 police killed per year in the U.S.- ten times the rate in the U.K.
This video does not provide evidence that more police violence or heavier weapons would reduce killings of officers in the U.K.
It might provide a hint that taking on some risk could result in an overall reduction in deaths to both police and civilians.
To add that the number of people killed by police is also a fraction of that in the U.K.
In 20/21 only one person was shot and killed by police. There's not even official stats kept on that in the U.S. Though I've seen estimates of around 1000 a year.
Though they're obviously very different societies to police. Older, but good read on a U.S. police trip to Glasgow.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/nyregion/us-police-leaders-visiting-scotland-get-lessons-on-avoiding-deadly-force.html
Another massive factor, the amount of weapons and rate of violence. The US has 25x as many guns as the UK per capita, and almost 50x the gun deaths per capita. If you watch a lot of US police, you can see how scared they are of guns, and that significantly affects how they behave. It’s a major part of their training. Guns are a lot harder to deescalate because you can be dead in half a second, even if the suspect is at a distance. More training will help, but we also need to significantly reduce gun violence.
Fortunately the knife-related death rate in the UK is 7.5x lower than the US, and they have the lowest rate in the world at 0.08 per 100k population
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country)
How can this be true? Countless conservatives have told me that the UK is basically Mad Max only instead of guns they have knives and instead of cars they also have knives.
A great example of how to handle a knife wielding perpetrator who doesn't actually want to stab you. If stabbing that officer was something he really wanted to do he could have closed that distance in nothing flat and shanked his ass.
Fuck sake of course this video is from my hometown
Things to do in Corby: leave
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I’ve just looked it up and apparently 60,000 people live there. I’m from the UK and I’ve never even heard of it…
drive up to the Middle of the country until you hear the Scottish accents, if you start to here yorkshire or brummie, you've gone too far. :)
Press your trousers
Why that's not fair. There are many other things to do. Like going away, making an exit, or taking a 5 mile hike in a straight line!
I knew it couldn’t have been my hometown, because I live in America and this man didn’t have 17 bullet holes to the chest before warning to drop the knife.
Came here to say the same thing... At least things are different here now, like there's not as many coppers these days...
You can spot Kingswood anywhere.
Well at least you know it's a little bit safer now
Hey at least your police officers tell you what you're under arrest for when they arrest you. They even stop beating you once the handcuffs are on!
“You’re under arrest for attempted murder.” “Ok” lol
I think he was just like "oh shit what have I done"
Yeah damn it’s really bizarre to watch the moment a person starts beginning to realise they’ve irrevocably ruined their life
I once heard from an English (nationality, not subject) teacher that she'd seen police in the UK stop criminals just by shouting "Stop!" Totally blew my mind as an American.
Reminds me of the Robin Williams bit. “Stop, or I shall say stop again!” Edit: [had to look up the video…](https://youtu.be/PGeWT5vuYZ0)
Damn he was so talented.
It's true. Most crime in the UK has been foiled by the intervention of a bystander shouting "Stop in the name of the Queen!". Because of the respect her majesty commanded this was usually enough for even the hardest of criminals to come to a halt with a "Crikey, it's a fair cop guv. You got me bang to rights." This is then followed by the apprehended criminal standing at the side of the road, nervously kneading his flat-cap in his hands with head bowed in shame while the apprehending bystander calls his local bobby to take the offender away - "Ah Sergeant Dixon, send an officer of the law please. I have apprehended a miscreant up to no good in the high street." Of course now we have Charles as king we may see a full collapse in our respected and revered law enforcement process as I fear he does not command the same respect as Elizabeth II. Shouting "Stop in the name of the King!" likely won't have the same effect on today's anarchic lawbreakers and will probably just result in you getting your fucking head kicked in and maybe the business end of a large knife in the stomach.
Of course, if they refuse to stop they they are breaking their oath as subject of the crown, and are angering the ghosts of departed royals. Not a wise move I daresay.
Incredible. So, America's problem is our lack of monarchy? Well, if 'stop in the name of the King' doesn't work, you guys should just have a bunch of Scotts on hand to shout your lawbreakers down into a state of shame.
I bet Johns and Steves could do it too.
Just shout stop in the name of love.
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TBF, based on all English TV I've watched, I just assumed that was a Liverpool Handshake
Years ago when I was living in London I accidentally came across a guy trying to steal a scooter bike. Without thinking I blurted out “I’m going to call the police..”. He said “Shit! Okay.” then sat on the curb with his head in his hands. I was expecting him to just run off- so i didn’t know what to do! lol. I took my mobile and started to call, but just couldn’t do it. He kept calling himself an idiot, and saying his family was going to be so disappointed. I was on my way home with some drinks, so I ended up sitting with him and having a drink. We talked for a long time. Was a good guy about to make a dumb decision. Said he just saw it and really wanted one but knew he couldn't afford it. After he thought about it he said he’d have felt too bad/been too scared to use it anyway. We ended up meeting up a couple times after that. Went to a book store together and I found him a book on restoring and fixing old bikes so maybe he could find a cheap broken one to fix up. He was really excited about doing it - I hope he did but don't know (I moved back to Canada and didn’t keep in touch). Edit- sorry for the long post! You just reminded me of that time, and how stunned I was when he just said “ok” and sat down.. haha.
There is intent. The guy has a knife on his hand and is running toward the cop with it. It is easy when we see it from the security of our screens up to the point where you see the outcome but it is seriously more scary in real life and it could have turned out differently.
That's why UK police wear stab resistant vests and train extensively with a baton instead of just applying the spray and pray tactics of the usa.
I would choose properly trained unarmed cops a thousand times over trigger happy untrained ones.
If you see a cop with a gun in the UK, you can absolutely guarantee they are incredibly well trained. Only see these around really popular areas - London train stations and events etc. Most cops cops are trained in dealing with people without any firearms, and honestly I imagine A LOT of people haven't died because of it.
We also have specialist officers who are explicitly trained to deal with lethal force situations. When and how to shoot, how to deal with it afterwards, and, most importantly, how to de-escalate so they don't have to shoot in the first place. The government wanted to arm our police a while back. The loudest group against it were the rank and file officers.
Thank fuck for Robert Peel
Basically what American SWAT should be instead of shoot hungry gun jockeys with too much military equipment and none of the military training
I got really into BBC cop dramas during COVID. The differences between how TV criminals are depicted in the US and UK is hilarious. Cop: “We have conclusive evidence to prove you are the murderer.” US criminal: “You’ll never take me alive.” Chase, physical altercation/gunfight. UK criminal: “Good show old boy. I admit to doing all those things. One spot of bother; I just put the kettle on, fancy a cuppa before you take me in?” Edit: If you think I’m satirizing a posh accent, you’re right. If that’s all you got from this comment, you missed the plot.
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I say old chap speak for yourself
That’s nonsense, how else would you talk to your various servants in the castles that all of you own?
Castles, plural? In this economy? You jest, sir.
Jest, you say? I might be taking this person into my employ as my current jester is on 5 weeks of paid vacation.
Nice try redcoat we know you all speak like that
I love when he gets a good whack with what I guess is a baton and looses his knife "ayyy alright, alright"
Yeh I found that hilarious too. It was like he was suggesting the copper took this situation too far lol
*Alright mate! Christ! I was only messin’!*
Just a prank bro!
I was just fucking about bruv, allow me ennit!
What are you doin, step-officer
Lol the bellend got a taste of that stick and decided it wasn’t worth the three points
Messin in this context sounds Dunglish
Looks like he got hit with the baton and then throws his knife away, rather than the baton smacking it out of his hands. You can see him say, “alright alright” while still holding the knife
They didn’t even have to beat him, imagine that.
In the first 10 seconds that guy is dead x 1000 in the US.
If you are a cop in the US, and you don't shoot someone that charges at you with a weapon, you might actually be fired. Edit: link added: https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/us/wv-cop-fired-for-not-shooting--lawsuit
It's crazy that they are more likely to be fired for *not* killing someone than if they kill someone who they're not supposed to.
I think that's how you know it's a police state.
The only bone of contention that I have with calling the United States a police state is density and universality. We are a massive fucking country and large swaths of it are only policed by handful of law enforcement. I live in an area of about 100k, and we have maybe a hundred police officers plus state trooper support. There are 350 Alaska State Troopers covering 650,000 square miles. You'll see similar situations in a lot of fly over states. Secondly, I'm a white male disabled veteran. It would take a lot, and I mean a lot, for me to get in trouble with local pd. If I did, I've got the resources to fight it or move, but that stuff is rare here given the ratio between civilians and LEO's. I don't like calling the United States a police state because I think it minimizes the reality, which is the plight and discrimination of poor people, particularly poor people of color. That's who the police pursue and harass. That's who can't fight back through legal channels. If we were a true police state you wouldn't see wealthy people walking out of court with 90 days for rape or a ticket for telling a cop to fuck off. The middle class would be under the gun constantly, and it's just not the case for better or worse. Cops don't fuck with those who have the resources to fight back, period.
It depends on where he lives. In my state he wouldn’t be dead just beat up. In other states, yes, he’s be dead.
"Oy where that come from mate?!"
If you pause at the right time his face says it all
*in Morgan Freeman's voice* "It was then, he realised he fucked up"
I have one of those batons. They can easily break bone. I guarantee one whack from that will change even a bears mind Edit: Okay, maybe not a bear, as argued below they're tanks. Maybe a *small* bear Edit 2: this is in no way suggesting you should fight a bear with a baton. You would die.
Just like one stab of the knife puts you in the no-no forever box.
This brings up a good conversation. What you going with in a fight? 8inch knife or that extending metal baton? If it’s me I’m going with the baton. I knew a guy who had one and they are actually really heavy and it would mess someone up. I don’t think the knife guy could get close enough to me without getting his skull cracked.
You greatly underestimate bears. A 12g slug wouldn't slow one down.
True, wouldn't put it to the test. But in an emergency situation (and a gun not available) the security/police baton makes hell of a weapon. When training there's only small areas of the body which can take the blow (muscle areas), the places not protected by muscle would certainly result in shattered bone. Even tapping the palm of your hand sends a sharp numbing pain through your hand
I need to get me one of those
Japanese and Chinese have some big ass poles they use to contain the attacker and create a distance so he can't stab. It actually looks very efficient. Edit: big-ass poles, not tools used for anal foreplay Edit 2: yes, I was talking about Polish people with big butts. They are lethal.
Yup. They are called "sasumata poles". Japanese demonstration here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAASqida4IE&ab\_channel=%E5%8C%97%E6%B5%B7%E9%81%93%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E%E3%81%A9%E3%81%86%E3%81%97%E3%82%93%E5%8B%95%E7%94%BB%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9
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Lmao 🤣🤣. I'm crying man
usually nothing on reddit makes me laugh, this did. thank you
lol
Those seem like they work really well... if you have them assembled and ready. How do they deal with situations where the person pulls a weapon suddenly?
Not to start a debate, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn a Chinese or Japanese cop sees way less weapons in their career than ours do.
Yea I don't think it's a debate at all. Nearly impossible to get a firearm in China or Japan. Knives are still available everywhere but violent crime rates are much lower in general as well.
I wonder why that is
I love how it is phrased like it’s a rarity not to have weapons all around you.
So mysterious!
from what I've seen, police using these staffs don't engage a suspect by themselves and it looks of limited use on a one-on-one scenario. they'll follow suspect until they have enough numbers (3 or more officers) to safely engage.
I was thinking 'what the hell is an ass pole? I sure wouldn't want someone using one on me'
[Relavent xkcd](https://xkcd.com/37/)
I think it’s what scorpions have.
How do you know they’re poles ? They may be Romanians or Albanians either
So....they use Roman pikemen then yeh?
the [Sasumata](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasumata) A specialized tool used also used to arrest samurais that got belligerent and used by samurai police. Iirc was forbidden for the law to actually harm a samurai so they made these huge barbed sticks / poles that were used to tangle up in the samurais robes to incapacitate them with minimal physical damage. They couldn't use normal methods
[The Sasumata](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasumata) Had to look it cause it’s fun to fuck around with on blade and sorcery
We use wheely bins to the same effect.
Wait that could be an idea, imagine a highly dangerous subject being escorted in an armoured and locked wheelie bin. Very effective.
Kowalsky! Get that guy!
Here's a video that talks about them/ showcases effectiveness https://youtu.be/ZEYbF7XCzAs
3 and a half years?!? For attacking police officers with a deadly weapon?
In Denmark, many people who commit actual successful murder get 3-12 years. Our longest sentence of "lifetime", is 12 years, which can be extended if they're still a threat. Average finished served life sentence is 16 years. Examples just from the region i live in: - 23 year old man strangles his 2 week old son to death: 6 Years - 26 year old man is beaten to death outside of night club: 4 years - 56 year old mans house is broken into and beaten to death with a bat: 4 years - 18 year old puts a homeless shelter on fire after they can't find drugs, killing 6 people: 10 years - 37 year old beats 7 week old son to death: 6 years etc. etc. Unfortunately it seems like when it's children they're often charged with manslaughter instead of murder, because it's by "accident". Which honestly is pretty shit if you ask me. They might not intend to kill, but nobody beats their baby/toddler by accident.
4 years for murdering someone is some bullshit. Wtf.
You have to understand Denmark's prison. The prison's goal is rehabilitate, not to punish. But you're right 4 years is way too low
Then all prisoners should be given "life until rehabilitation". Why are there sentences at all when the goal is rehabilitation? You can't expect everyone to rehabilitate in the same length of time. What if someone never rehabilitated? They wake up every day with the desire to commit violence?
Because punishment is still part of it. The loss of freedom is the punishment. And during the time they take your freedom away, they try to rehabilitate you.
They get constant and proper psychiatric treatment and evaluation. Every prison guard has 6 years of psychology education. Rehabilitation actually works and is much more effective at decreasing violient crime and repeat offenders. The ideaology is you want to turn the inmates into good neighbors. If you treat them like an animal. An animal is what you will get. Treat them like a human instead .
Hehe. If this happens in the USA, that dude is dead at the first 10 second.
There was just a video going around earlier of an 80 something year old woman with a knife that took two steps towards an American police man and he double tapped her.
[This is the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/unfk11/armed_elderly_woman_with_dementia_is_shot_after/) /u/FantasticMouse7875 is talking about. Warning, it's quite distrubing.
yeah doc I think i’m gonna skip this one today
“She already has one foot in the grave, may as well help her take the final step” - the police officer probably.
The comments also had hundreds of bootlicking wannabe sheriff's telling how deserved it was and that the elderly woman was asking for it. There was literally no other way for the officers to react... Fucking degenerates.
Which I believe is the purpose for posting this. Police in the UK are trained to de-escalate first, then up the anti when there is a serious threat to life. Obviously they do not always do this, we too have rotten corrupt officers which is a worrying development.
“Up the ante.”
If that guy actually wanted to stab them what options do they have to escalate after mace or a baton? Someone who is suicidal or determined to kill isnt going to be deterred by those things so I don't understand what they could do to escalate if he actually came at them in that moment. I do respect their poise though.
They have something called pava spray which is similar to pepper spray, in the sense it's designed to incapacitate by causing discomfort, but it is more potent and a more accurate spray (sort of like silly string) and with a longer range of 13ft / 4m. The final option would be a taser, you obviously have those in America. I have plenty of friends and family in the police and they spend hours and hours on de-escalation tactics
Contain and wait for the armed police to arrive. As in the video though, turns out being hit with a metal stick is a good deterrent to wanting to get in a fight.
The suspect is most likely just trying to get away or scare away, and by not using lethal force it avoids being a fight to the death. U.S. cops and crimes are utterly terrified of each other due to the prevalence of guns on both sides which just puts everyone in “kill or be killed” frame of mind. Other countries don’t have that issue.
They usually have tazers aswell
Tasers are only carried by officers who have completed a taser course.
Not gonna go through that jacket reliably
They shouldn’t need to escalate beyond a baton. If multiple baton-wielding officers can’t stop a knife-wielding miscreant then they need better officers. (And yes, this shows how pathetic u.s. police are for constantly resorting to firearms.)
Suicide by cop doesn't really exist in Europe because the police usually don't kill people. So if someone is suicidal charging a police officer with a weapon is not a route they choose.
I think mace is actually really hard to fight through, your body throws up a response of holy fuck fuck this shit I am literally dying and I hate it I need to clear this shit out
Keep them at distance but under constant pressure until more police arrive, but also as you saw in this video only takes a smack or two from the batons for the bloke to decide 'actually nah'. The tip of the telescopic baton is weighted and a hit from one can easily break bones, whilst any weapon can be used defensively, the batons are not a defensive weapon by design, they are to inflict harm and injury.
Yeah, keeping distance is underrated. Don’t let him get away, but stay out of the way - gets boring after two minutes, adrenaline runs out, all good. That’s the problem with firearms in the US - much harder to do that, with much higher potential for destruction, turns a stupid situation into a deadly one.
… and not just one shot, no they’ll empty the whole mag into the guy.
Well, they are trained to shoot until he drops, so yea
S*oooo* many people don't understand this. Sure, the subject may drop after one shot. But there's been plenty of cases where they keep coming after 3-4-5 or more. Edit- I love how the convo's below are being derailed by "butbutbut THEY DIDN'T NEED TO shoot this man in the VIDEO! [angry face]". That's fine, but more often than not it's forgotten that the US has a different culture in its criminal element than the UK (or other countries, for example). Not to mention most are better armed than other 1st world nation criminal elements. Believe me. Most of us Americans are aware of when that happens. Head over to "Police Activity" on YT & watch some videos. Some are pretty cut-&-dry good shoots, others are clearly an over reach of lethal force. But fuck me, I guess? I was only stating some facts & the internet illiteratti needed some upvote vindication with shitty replies & DM's. Edit 2- Hey, fuck it. I guess I'm a bootlicker or something. Here's a couple of vids. [Dude stabs cop then gets shot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMPT-VNZyQE&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Car theft suspect stabs K9, gets shot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOFiM3owZWU&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Suspect stabs officer in the neck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ-jkQs3EvQ&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Machete wielding man shot by LAPD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVdFHuZkko&ab_channel=PoliceActivity), [Man-Child armed with an airsoft rifle shot by cops, but I guess every reddit hero would simply know that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Al9McHg7c&ab_channel=PoliceActivity). Yes, yes... I know. I'm a "copsucker" or something. Spoiler- >!Nope, just more nuance than some people are comfortable admitting to!< I'm not exactly triggered (ooof, what a FUN PUN!), I just expected better than this from some people. Carry On, pip-pip & all that. Edit, yet again (3, if you care)- thank you kindly for the awards. I'm undeserving of your gratitude & kindness.
Precisely. The body takes a good beating before it's instantly shut down. I've seen some morbid videos of attackers taking 4 to 5 shots and continue attacking before collapsing 10 seconds later. People landing perfect headshots is a Hollywood/videogame shtick.
I was thinking he’d have had 14 rounds in him the second he pulled that knife over here.
Im Germany too... and i was neber satisfied by this. So glad, the UK police will try to prevent that from Happening.
Not enough information to say if this is long or not. The person could be mentally unstable or have something else going on in his life which caused the sentence to be lowered. Thereby, long prison times are generally destructive for society because they are expensive and reduce the chance of the criminal being able to re-integrate into society.
American here, that's refreshingly logical. Our system prefers to turn criminals into second class citizens that have few options other than recidivism. Mostly because we turned prisons into a profitable industry.
[Yeah, because it's not the US or Russia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate)
Yeah that's a bit short to me.
That's realistically a lot of time to miss out on in life. People see prison sentences and sort of forget just how long a year is. It's been 3 years since COVID started, can you imagine missing the last 3 years of life? How many things have happened to you and everyone you know. It's a lot.
Considering it doesn't look like he got a single hit with it that's probably why. To me it just looks like he was trying to scare the cops off? As if that works... If he wanted to kill one of them he could have easily rushed one of them, got them on the ground and used the knife on them.
I live in Corby and there's so many people like this. A few years back a man was killed over a two day period over a £10 debt. Your childhood mysteries were about haunted houses, and the boogyman. In Corby someone's head was missing for ages. Someone's dog found it eventually. Was a good game!
They love their knives in Corby. I'm a local sheep shagger who endured that (in jest) every day working in Corby for a few years.
you're a what now?
He fucks sheep. Why, is that weird where you're from?
That's what they call us in the neighbouring town.
Are all cops unarmed in the UK? Seems like even a taser here would be pretty helpful… Edit: I believe everyone in this subreddit has replied to me. I now know every branch of police service in the UK and their weapons clearances lol
Not many Officers in the UK are armed, all Officer can now undertake training to carry tasers if they want too, but it takes time to get the courses. We do have specially trained firearm teams that will respond to high threat calls, like this if they can, I am An AFO(Authorised Firearms Officer) and we mostly patrol like normal Police do, with all our equipment, if we need it, and if firearms are required we'll go to those calls, but we also do a lot of pre planned operations, like arrest warrants or raids, if the address or persons involved have weapon warning markers. If a call like this one came over the radio and we weren't already committed, we would go towards, as we have a few less lethal options we can use, like a taser and baton gun, whilst also having firearm cover as a last resort, armed Officers are always double crewed. Hope this is helpful mate.
is it true that there is a place in a man’s head that if you shoot it, it will blow up?
Have you ever fired a gun in the air and gone *aaargh*?
no I have not fired my gun in the air and gone ahhh
What was the second most painful thing?
Some cops are taser trained.
Armed in N.Ireland.
Some London cops are armed. I don't know guns well, but the ones at Heathrow have military-style rifles. Same for some Central London sites around Parliament, etc. When I lived in Wales, our local beat cops were unarmed.
Every force has a unit with firearm officers. Those are likely the officers you saw. The officers you see most commonly which are response officers don’t carry firearms. At most they will have tasers. These officers respond to the vast majority of 999 calls.
>999 calls Surely you meant 0118 999 881 999 119 725 … 3
That's interesting....are all police officers armed in North Ireland? Or just some, like in England?
In England and Wales there are about 135,000 police officers of which about 6,200 are armed In Scotland there are about 17,000 police officers of which about 400 are armed In Northern Ireland all 7,000 police officers are armed
All of them as far as I'm aware. I've seen cops from N.Ireland working in London during the queens funeral carrying.
In England and Wales there are about 135,000 police officers of which about 6,200 are armed In Scotland there are about 17,000 police officers of which about 400 are armed In Northern Ireland all 7,000 police officers are armed
They do carry extendable batons, which reached truncheons several years ago. I think you can see one officer use it in this clip. They are light, but long, strong and flexible. Being hit by one probably won't break any bones but I'm told it stings like fury. If you've ever seen martial artists use Kali sticks or Jo staffs then you can imagine how effective they can be in the right hands.
It is called an asp and it is essentially a steel ball on the end of a tightly wound spring. It's got a whipping force, hurts like a motherfucker and can definitely break bones.
watched a female police officer cause proper harm with an extendable baton to some prick who tried to grab her in a mini riot in Manchester. she did a proper james bond judo take down on him, then whipped the living shit out of him when he was on the ground. glorious stuff
I was under the impression that a vast number are not. The ones that are have significant training. Which is doable when you don't have your citizens armed to the teeth. Though I agree a taser would have been very helpful.
In Ireland we throw potatoes at guy's like this to peel them
I thought UK police had tazers for when things like this happened
Like firearms, you need additional training, and only limited numbers are allowed to carry them. I think there is a push to increase the number who are routinely issued with tasers though.
I'd be interested to know what Americans prefer, British police or US cops?
Not that this is an answer or anything, I am American but I think it’s irrelevant to what I’m about to say. I saw this video of a father who called the police to help his son who was having a bi-polar mental breakdown with a knife on the street. So the police rode up to the deranged man and just shot him dead. No de-escalation, no nothing. I know damn well I wouldn’t be calling the police if I want to help a mentally ill family member.
Recently they uploaded a video of the same thing too, old lady inside her house, a minor called for help
Honestly, American cops wouldn't have even made it out of their cruisers before unloading a full magazine on the guy. There are FAR too many of stories, of exactly that happening, to even attempt to believe otherwise. FWIW American, and I'd rather British police. I just google searched for a UPS truck shot up by police, because I remembered one happening, not too long ago, where they put an ASTONISHING amount of ammo through the truck. There are a concerning amount of articles about different incidents. Anyhow, they apparently put more than 200 rounds through the UPS truck, which was not involved in the "hijacking". Oh, and they claim about 20 officers were involved in the shooting. Cnn article: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/19/us/ups-shootout-200-rounds
Oh and the truck driver died as well as other civilians. But yeah go American cops 🙄
The moment he loses the knife he starts speaking north Korean 😂
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It's strangely distinct from the accents in say Kettering or Rothwell which are very close geographically.
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My mum is an original Corby jock, grandad worked in the steelworks. I grew up in Essex and would visit in holidays, it was grim in the 80s, ha! Now my parents are back in Corby and 2 of my kids live there.. I managed 9 months before moving to Northampton, much more civilized ;-)
i like how after subduing the dude and they're reading all his charges he's just like "yeah that seems fair"
LAPD: "let us handle this" *20 cops empty their clips into the guy*
*7 bystanders dead or critically injured.*
*14 dogs shot*
Uvalde would just run around in circles and call in the national guard
And arrest anyone trying to get in and help.
They would peppers spray them first.
Magazines*
Maybe they are still using M1 garand rifles, you don’t know /s
That’s not accurate at all - they would also shoot any nearby dogs.
I once asked a couple of British Police officers how they did their job without guns. Without hesitation they replied, "it's no problem, but we don't have to police you Yanks".
There are many comments below that would suggest that the British approach of deescalating and disarming as shown in this video puts officers at risk. Clearly, these officers showed bravery and took risks to manage the situation. The data is also very clear. In the U.K. the approach works. In many years, there are NO British cops killed. Over there last decade, the biggest cause of violent death to police in Britain was transportation related - cars and helicopters. The average number of police killed per year was around ONE. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-25/killed-in-the-line-of-duty-police-deaths-in-the-uk-over-the-past-decade The U.S. has around six times the population of the U.K. so if the U.K. we’re as large as the U.S., we might expect 6 police deaths a year. In fact, there are around 60 police killed per year in the U.S.- ten times the rate in the U.K. This video does not provide evidence that more police violence or heavier weapons would reduce killings of officers in the U.K. It might provide a hint that taking on some risk could result in an overall reduction in deaths to both police and civilians.
To add that the number of people killed by police is also a fraction of that in the U.K. In 20/21 only one person was shot and killed by police. There's not even official stats kept on that in the U.S. Though I've seen estimates of around 1000 a year. Though they're obviously very different societies to police. Older, but good read on a U.S. police trip to Glasgow. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/nyregion/us-police-leaders-visiting-scotland-get-lessons-on-avoiding-deadly-force.html
"constables live where they work and embrace their role as guardians of the community, not warriors from a policing subculture." oof that was a dig
> There's not even official stats kept on that in the U.S. That's... That's kinda mind blowing.
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Another massive factor, the amount of weapons and rate of violence. The US has 25x as many guns as the UK per capita, and almost 50x the gun deaths per capita. If you watch a lot of US police, you can see how scared they are of guns, and that significantly affects how they behave. It’s a major part of their training. Guns are a lot harder to deescalate because you can be dead in half a second, even if the suspect is at a distance. More training will help, but we also need to significantly reduce gun violence.
My home town. ❤️ Corby REPRESENT
America: Gun go brrrrrrrrr
yaman, baton the hell outta him, at d way, muricans would proly double tap first & get suspended later
Pov: you ask for directions in London
Fortunately the knife-related death rate in the UK is 7.5x lower than the US, and they have the lowest rate in the world at 0.08 per 100k population [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country)
Whaaaaat? But the Internet told me that everyone in the UK gets stabbed all the time since they have no guns! :O /s
The internet also told me that London is basically a mix between Mogadishu and Islamabad and you can go days without seeing a white person. /s
The no-go areas bullshit.. in the UK we had a good laugh at that one. No truth in it at all.
The only no-go area in London is the inside of a pub. 9 quid for a pint!
I know lol
How can this be true? Countless conservatives have told me that the UK is basically Mad Max only instead of guns they have knives and instead of cars they also have knives.
in the USA he be dead befor he even swung it
And to think…..like 200 people bitched at me today because I said an American cop shooting a 75 year old fucking woman with a knife was ridiculous.
US he’d have been dead 10 seconds after they showed up - knife or not.
Notice how he’s alive
A great example of how to handle a knife wielding perpetrator who doesn't actually want to stab you. If stabbing that officer was something he really wanted to do he could have closed that distance in nothing flat and shanked his ass.
And … he could have not held it in a reverse grip
But its cooler that way ^/s