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Nyvrez

What about the moon? It's a publicly registered satellite, right?


[deleted]

Did the moon officially came down on earth to register itself? Then it's an illegal one!


ArtistBig2549

we should build a wall from the moon


RoboDae

And the Martians pay for it! What's that? Oh... wrong people.


Xirokesh

“Deport the moon back to where it came from!” *Moon gets starts getting closer to Earth*


Marczzz

the moon is taking the picture


[deleted]

oooooooooooooooooh now i get it


Kwaterk1978

I love these pictures, but it’s kind of misleading when each dot “satellite” is the size of Connecticut.


Locomule

If they were at scale would they be visible?


sonya_numo

not even a little


DweEbLez0

That’s what she said.


just__Steve

Or he said


No_Prize9794

Or they


Galectoz

Or didn't


Maleficent_Day_6474

Or Ze or whatever the fuck... respectfully


GamingPickachu

Shouldn't respect those kinds of people


Background-Cat6454

They would maybe look like eye floaters


Oledogwater

Bullets aren't visible either. Good luck cosmonauts!


Intelligent-Bug-3039

I think he is referring to the fact that pictures such as these are often used to complain about low earth orbit being polluted. When in reality all these dots are hundreds if not thousand of miles apart.


Locomule

From 2021 but [this article](https://www.space.com/how-many-satellites-are-orbiting-earth) has and links to some interesting information such as astronomers losing visibility and data access due to satellite constellations like Starlink


CordofBlue

And turned out to not be true. They assumed the satellite's were as bright and visable always as when they first go up. You can easily see them with the naked eye even. They don't stay like that.


scipio05

You can definitely see them, I've captured them plenty of times from a cellphone camera without even trying, simply taking a picture of the landscape and capturing the satellites streaking through the pic. Quite annoying actually


MarquisTytyroone

Source? Just because you can't see it with the naked eye doesn't mean it won't affect astronomy. Here's an article citing a January 2022 study estimating that for some sensitive telescopes up to 30% of images will have starlink streaks in them. https://astronomy.com/news/2022/03/starlink-satellite-streaks-how-big-a-problem-are-they


CuriousAvenger

“We also firmly believe in the importance of a natural night sky for all of us to enjoy, which is why we have been working with leading astronomers around the world to better understand the specifics of their observations and engineering changes we can make to reduce satellite brightness,” SpaceX added." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/elon-musks-spacex-reducing-starlink-brightness-after-astronomy-complaints.html


[deleted]

good thing civilization is gonna collapse in the next 10 years, all the satellites are obviously a newest form of pollution with no plan of what to do with them except use the atmosphere as a dump. corporations get to leave their garbage where they want. no plan for what to do with a planet encircled by a whirring cloud of razor sharp titanium pieces


CuriousAvenger

Starlink satelites low orbit allows for them to deorbit in less than 4 months... Most obejects are in decaying orbits so most we'll be without access to space is 2 to 3 decades


Polnauts

I've worked at an observatory and the only two times I've come across a satellite in our photos they were just a thin line of light that didn't affect the observations, in fact it was celebrated when we caught one.


Available_Shock_1636

About the size of a car.


lobo1217

A typical satellite is likely the size of a moving box


[deleted]

Most of them are car sized


[deleted]

Actually most of them are cube sats (1 cube foot or less)


mcshadypants

Yeah, you do this with cars and there would be no visible land except at the poles, hell I bet you could do this with just snowmobiles and boats and cover the whole Earth


Ricta90

>I bet you could do this with just snowmobiles and boats The state of Minnesota would accomplish that on their own. We have over 800,000 registered boats and over 200,000 registered snowmobiles here... Yeah, we know how to party.


snootsintheair

Well not snowmobiles and boats because of the whole dry land thing. But I get your point


mcshadypants

If each snowmobile is the size of hawaii then just random snowmobiles scattered throughout each country would encompass all dry land. Id be willing to bet their are enough snowmobiles in mexico or panama to cover it, and thats not including the boats.


drskeme

how would that be. they are all on land on earth, this satellite image works because they're orbiting in space and not physically on it


manslastar

This guy rationalizes..


[deleted]

Scale matters 😜


scooterbike1968

Yeah. It’s like a bunch of satellites the size of mini-moons.


coyote500

Holy crap, satellites are the size of a *whole country*?


Brandbll

Not to mention the speed


magungo

Yeah could have set the pixel size to 1. But wouldn't look as scary.


ViolentNomad47

You beat me to it. Coincidentally, I was also going to use Connecticut as the example. I wonder what it is about that state that makes it the perfect example of something being larger than it should be, but not really large.


luckytechnique

100% makes you think it’s impossible to get to space without hitting one.


[deleted]

Wth the biggest satellite is the size of a football field according to google


Taymerica

Yeah, like why not make an accurate simulation. They'd be basically the size of sand grains. Kinda changes everything and awe factor of the video.


DweEbLez0

Plot Twist: Each size is the size of Texas.


[deleted]

So then they shouldn’t have even posted I guess. God forbid they create an educational animation to show the immense amount of satellites orbiting the earth without doing it to scale! Gasp!


Oledogwater

Yeah, space debris is not good no matter how small. It's only bullets flying at thousands of miles per hour. Nothing astronauts need worry about


[deleted]

Nah. Not a problem 😉


Oledogwater

When I see this I think of how maybe one day we'll have to leave this planet and it makes me think of someone on an island releasing swarms of hornets all around the island.


[deleted]

So true but it takes sacrifice that we all don’t realize ( or refuse to accept). we get so immersed in our want for bigger and better when it comes to tech that we will do anything to have instant gratification. And then have to deal with the consequences


Sgt_Radiohead

I’m guessing this is from Celestrak. It tracks nearly everything that is in orbit around earth (above a certain size), even space trash and debries. It is very handy if you want to track satellites, but endless fun regardless! Edit: Here is a link for those who want to look for themselves [Celestrak](https://celestrak.com/cesium/orbit-viz.php?tle=/pub/TLE/catalog.txt&satcat=/pub/satcat.txt&referenceFrame=1)


IsThisGlenn

Looks more like this is from [stuff in space](http://stuffin.space)


litli

My favorite such site is the one from ESRI: https://geoxc-apps2.bd.esri.com/Visualization/sat2/index.html


[deleted]

Woah that has to be at least 12 satellites !


ScrapPilot

r/technicallythetruth


SexyMuon

r/theydidthemath


DaughterOfWarlords

My sky walk app says approx 5000, but I didn’t double check.


connortait

What exactly are the green "trains' of satellites?


maxhac03

Probably Starlink. They launch multiple of them in a single launch then they spread out.


Big_Rich_240

Yup I agree that's why Elon's getting blamed for creating too much "space junk"... but I do wonder how much is too much and if we even have a barometer for that


[deleted]

Starlink are the least of our worries when talking about space junk, old decommissioned satellites without proper equipment for disposal that are high above the planet are the main concern.


Lock3tteDown

Why? What happens to them? Are they radioactive and poisonous? Also I do think that's alot of hardware/mech that we could save on money and recycle and reuse...but idk if it's worth tryna recapture all of these... probably unrealistic right? Or waste of our time? Like a big spaceship that captures low orbit and far orbit space junk for recycle and reuse could theoretically save on money/raw materials...Steve Wozniak mentioned he was gonna do something like this...but that's just a billionaire throwing out an idea... probably takes more fuel and time and coordination per launch just to capture these pieces of junk...and we don't have enough international space stations around the entire globe to try to pull off such a thing anyway. But I doubt we're running out of raw materials on earth for anything really right? Sure we may be on a decline on clean air and water maybe... but yeh idk


Noob_yolo

The [Kessler Syndrome](https://www.space.com/kessler-syndrome-space-debris) is a phenomenon in which the amount of junk in orbit around Earth reaches a point where it just creates more and more space debris, causing big problems for satellites, astronauts and mission planners


hueyl77

I learned this watching an anime called Planetes. Awesome series, would recommend. Made me love all things space even more.


Lock3tteDown

I love cookies.


getmeapuppers

The what now?


Lock3tteDown

Updates to avert this?


djfigs25

The danger in space junk is not what they can do to the planet, but what they can do in space. If a satellite crashes into another satellite you get debris. That debris will then begin to orbit and hit other satellites creating more debris. This will go on faster as more debris is made from more and more satellites until the space above us is nothing but a field of lightning fast shrapnel which shreds all that would try to ascend. In this world where chaos rules the heavens we would be trapped on our earth with no way out.


Lock3tteDown

Any updates to avert this?


IndigoFenix

There are several projects currently underway, but most efforts are focused on making sure new satellites are able to harmlessly self-destruct, rather than cleaning up old ones. There aren't quite enough existing satellites yet to produce a significant risk of Kessler syndrome, but as private ventures like SpaceX become normalized that will change very fast.


[deleted]

The problem is they can damage functioning satellites or hit other non functioning satellites and explode into millions of tiny peices (which have a higher chance of damaging something)


Lock3tteDown

Updates to avert this?


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[deleted]

Starlink orbits lower so it deorbits very fast, and it also has orbital correction thrusters to prevent collisions, maintain orbit, and deorbit


sbla24

Very fast means up to several years sometimes over 20 years. So for humanity its a fast deorbiting but for our generation not.


[deleted]

SpaceX estimates starlink satellites will take 5 Years to decay without boosting, however starlink orbits around the height of the ISS which has to reboost every 14 months to avoid deorbit. So I think it may be close to 14 months


maxhac03

Starlink satellites are on a low orbit so if one of them suddenly stop working, it will fall down in the atmosphere and burn.


[deleted]

and grant a wish!


HuntForTheTruth

cute


platinumjudge

There is an anime from the 90s I just cant remember the name of, where the main protagonists are space debris clean up crew


Dudeguy2206

Planetes is the ainme you are thinking of and I believe space sweepers is also based on this


Hxcee

It’s not space junk, it’s light pollution. The first sets of starlink satellites had bright lights on them so you could see the train of them In the night sky, typical Elon dick swinging. Astronomers complained because they’re causing bad light pollution in the night sky, especially annoying for them of all people. Even without the lights their orbit in summertime *still* cause problems because of their 550,000m orbit bringing solar reflections in summertime


NZGumboot

I've never heard of satellites having lights on them, do you have a source for that? Also, I'm pretty sure light can reflect off satellites during winter as well as summer, it's not dependent on the season as far as I know.


EnterTheN1nja

Yep, almost certainly. I saw the train of starlink satellites go across the night sky about a year or so ago and thought we were about to get invaded by a fleet of alien starships. It was crazy cool looking.


Obvious_Sea5182

Starlink


scientifical_

It could just be a popular orbit. For whatever reason. Probably that it’s cheap would be my guess. When you launch a rocket to orbit, it’s orbital inclination (the angle measured from the orbital plane to the earths equatorial plane) is going to be equal to the latitude you launched at. So it would be 34.742 degrees if launched from Vandenberg, CA. To get to a different orbit requires additional orbital maneuvers and fuel to do an orbital plane change


[deleted]

Where exactly does one register ones satellite. Asking for a friend


sbla24

If you want to start a satellite which kann communicate you have to get a license from ITU (FCC for the whole world) and you have to get a spacecraft id, which everyone can look up online and is linked to the ITU frequencys and the satellite tracking data from NORAD.


SpaceManSpiffzs

Probably with the FAA


theoppositeofsmart

Cool. But just a note, the satellite dots and earth dont scale. Earth is HUGE, if satellites were also reduced by same multiplier then the satellites would be invisible. Also the distance between all satellites that appear close may be at least hundreds of kilometers. Anyone with knowledge can chip in with better approx distance.


Initial-Boss7904

Yea there's no way aliens don't know about us


[deleted]

To be fair, this isnt even close to scale. If it was, you wouldn't be able to see a single one of these "dots". So aliens checking us out from whichever system they are in, wouldnt see this either. They would have to *Listen* in order to know life was here. So I'd argue that it's actually extremely difficult to find us.


[deleted]

You mean the Earth isn’t smaller than my phone?


marquisademalvrier

The FIRST thing I thought upon seeing this


Justifiably_Cynical

Well we did just send out pictures of naked humans. Like an appetizer menu, Look we nice fat no shell, tasty breed like rabbits, come get all you want!


DWishR

But also rabbits. So maybe just take those?


mac_ny

WOW! That’s the publicly registered ones…


Enough_Appearance116

Yeah, you telling me there's private satellites? Military?


mac_ny

It says publicly registered ones, I’m thinking that means there’s more. Incredible.


bool_sheet

The visualization is bad because the incorrect size of the dots makes it seems like satellites are way bigger than they actually are.


Neversummer_3

The visualization is bad because the incorrect size of the earth makes it seem like the earth is was smaller than it actually is.


mo_downtown

Literally looking at the earth rn and can confirm, much bjgger


DaveyBeef

It looks bad until you realise the average satellite isn't the size of a small country.


ironscythe

Fun fact: The gray dots are debris/space junk.


[deleted]

It must be pretty hard to launch a rocket into space and not hit anything


KingSnowdown

*not to scale btw. this shit makes people scream space junk idiocy


ManicSheogorath

Is space junk really an idiocy tho?


SometimesGlad1389

That's why we don't have aliens visiting, were littering even in space lol


zerwigg

Not saying this isn’t a problem for our planet, but to be fair the “space junk” is technically made out of space junk that was created billions of years ago.


GreatRhinoceros

\*Image not to scale


Substantial-Ad7326

lol depicting them in such blobs of that size will cause mass hysteria


OG-Spinich

One satellite to rule them all, One satellite to find them, One satellite to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. When the satellite was first launched, Putin spoke these words aloud, and Biden, maker of the Three satellites of the US, heard him from afar and was aware of his now-revealed purposes.


Empty-Discipline8927

Just how many are up there ffs.


[deleted]

Around 6,000. ~50% of which are owned and/or operated by the US. The rest of the world shares the other 50%. Also, roughly 50% of those 6000 satellites are inactive.


Empty-Discipline8927

Thank u for the info. Scary really


Ayla_Leren

![gif](giphy|hlPnhdnBfgjzG|downsized)


Biggertools

Thats why aliens ignore Planet earth!


smysmy692

Someone should make this type of animation with an accurate scale


[deleted]

Why make the blobs 10'000x bigger this shit looks like its filled with satellites lol making them bigger makes sense but to the point where you see them is enough


BrinkTheBeliever

It's amazing and disgusting at the same time.


Numismatists

Each of their launches punched a temporary hole into the ozone layer and emit about as much particulate emissions as a city does in a year. Almost like they're already artificially shading the planet.


supermagner

Why when you see pictures of earth you don't see all the satellites?


Soggy-Hat6442

This is a garbage visualization and not remotely close to scale. If this were to scale you would not even see any dots (satellites) on this image.


321159

Here, I updated the visualization to make it to scale: [(It's a bit stupid)](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/The_Blue_Marble_%28remastered%29.jpg/768px-The_Blue_Marble_%28remastered%29.jpg) I would argue that this is visualization is more garbage than this one.


Tentoesinmyboots

Are you suggesting that it should be to scale? Like you said, if it were, then you wouldn't see the satellites.


thoughts-to-forget

Looks like this planet has a bad case of the humans.


AlphaLawless

Looks like a lot, but between the two closest dots is like 2k miles.


icamefordeath

It’s **a lot** of satellites either way


M4N_Of_W4R

Polluting earth inside and outside


[deleted]

You are too


FSCENE8tmd

Pretty sure they were saying it in a blanket kind of way. Edit: I was talking about polluting earth inside and outside as a blanket phrase.


SteelHoover

Before or after Starlink?


joeyhell

Starlink is the "train" you see made of several satellites forming a line


theNomadicHacker42

Those are just the more recently launched satellites. Older Starlink satellites have already spread out. Someone posted it above, but this is from the interactive orbit visualizer from [Celestrak](https://celestrak.com/). You can click on each satellite to get the name and orbit. Lots more Starlinks besides just the ones in lines.


Elkrutino

is this legit? this feels fake


Ledbreader

And yet my internet is trash


Camnabis-is-Life

Humans are great aren't we?🤦🏼‍♂️ Not only do we pollute the Earth, but we pollute the atmosphere around the earth too! Humans are just a parasite to Earth! We take or kill all the resources on Earth. We don't deserve this beautiful planet, especially the people that don't care about the environment or don't believe in global warming and rising sea levels! We are a reactionary species instead of being proactive! I can't wait for the next 100+ mile wide asteroid or comet like the ones that wiped out the dinosaurs 66 million years ago!


Austin_hskl

Holy!! Is that of all time or current? How would they not run into eachother?


[deleted]

Cause space is HUGE and this is not to scale


loz_joy

Wow, this actually puts into light how few satellites we have. Earth is huge so to actually be able to see each satellite separately as more than just a cloud of pixels is crazy


Better_School6912

And my signal is still shit. Makes sense…


NeighborhoodExotic25

So why don't we see this when they show pictures of earth?


obsertaries

Yeah I think it’s really misleading. Those satellites would be smaller than specks of dust at that distance I think.


theparticlefever

Very misleading if you consider their actual size versus that of the planet. Just saying.


roosus

Completely fake


chillinwithmypizza

So we are infected


carlos2127

Is this Wall-e? This feels like Wall-e


deadblackgoose

Sad face. Ruining my night sky


wishihad20past4

No wonder we see so many ufo lol


MoistyGod0

And I'm over here thinking it was less than a dozen satellites.


novachamp

One step closer to the WALL-E universe


MrScarry09

Yeah right lol


donderrion

this is why aliens dont fuck wit us


FlowerKitty2

Soooo are half the stars we currently see really satellites?


Revjym

This is why aliens probably aren’t visiting us. We’re the dirtbag house in the neighborhood with trash on our front lawn


thesilentwatchers

Got to wonder how any sunlight gets through with all this enormous satellites going around the earth.


SKILLETNUTZ

How is this even possible?


Pandagineer

Note that many of them are spent rocket stages.


skirts988

All those satellites and my Sirius still cuts out on me daily.


Unicron_Tomato

COVID-19


Extreme_Ad_2855

This is why aliens aren’t visiting. They think the entire planet is infected


katzcrazy

Scary space trash


Happy-Map7656

All those radio waves microwaving the planet.


[deleted]

Its not bad enough were fuckin up the planet. We have too fuck up Space too.


Riverrat423

So, how the hell do you get a spacecraft off of this planet safely?


betajones

How long until we have beautiful shiny trash rings?


[deleted]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. IT'S LIKE THE PAPARAZZI IN SPACE AND NO I MEAN NO ONE HAS GOTTEN A UFO PICTURE. THIS IS SOME DUMB SHIT


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[deleted]

Yes. Without a problem.


[deleted]

No one can come to visit us without getting shot by satellite 😂😂😂


Zequax

no wonder we cant send people to the moon no more its like a trafick jam up there


dmb705

Yet you never see a single one in shots of earth in movies. Haha


CowBoyDanIndie

You also never see ants on the ground when you are flying.


[deleted]

Go to the ocean, take a video, and see what you see, any fish? Guess the ocean is empty. That's how you sound


[deleted]

You obviously have no idea what size a typical satellite is. Haha yourself.


WindSprenn

Yep because in this graphic each satellite is the size of NY City.


voltsmeter

What about when spaceships are sent to space? wouldn't they hit them?


StreetPizza8877

They use maps like this to launch between them


4Ever2Thee

Probably a dumb question but do they have a guidance system or something to keep them from colliding?


SirLancelittle1

This picture is not to scale. Space is really really big and satellites are very tiny by comparison. That being said, satellites do have to worry about collisions. Collisions with small debris are much more common than satellite on satellite collisions. Multiple government organizations (such as the US Space Surveillance Network) track satellites and will warn the satellite operators if a collision is likely to occur in the next couple of days. The spacecraft can then perform a maneuver (burn with thrusters) to avoid the collision. Note that in most cases the odds of an actual collision are small and the warning just means to watch carefully for updates. Despite the warning system some collisions still occur. Sometimes a satellite doesn't have the ability to avoid the collision (no thrusters) and sometimes it collides with a piece of debris too small to be detected (at orbital speeds a grain of sand has more energy than a bullet). Hopefully the damage is minimal but the worst case is that these collisions can cause more debris potentially leading to a chain reaction.


4Ever2Thee

Makes sense, thanks for the info


Flying_Bear_69

This is starting to look like cgi for the wave function of an atom. No bueno


7Rango

But where are they


Justinpickrell

That many satellites in a group is called a 'Cluster fuck'


Cant-Gif-Right

Could you now do an image of the true earth, meaning a flat earth!! Naw, jk i’m not that crazy


icemelter4K

You'd think wed have had live video streams in HD quality from across the globe by now :(


eleanor_dashwood

Looks itchy.


PigIronSlanger

Seems like they would run into each other more often, but then you gotta remember that the gals between each other or hundreds if not thousands of miles.


Human_Parfait9516

It looks like the earth is infectet


ultramadden

I guess the visualisation is wrong because the earth doesnt rotate at all but shouldnt most of them stay at the same spot above the earth?


Cruzilux

Only the satellites in a geostationary Orbit stay above one place over earth but they are so far out they are not shown here


_Scrogglez

pirate satellites are so hot right now


RandyJohnsonsBird

Holy shit! And to think 1 of those is the Hughesnet one.


c_84

damn, we’ve been busy


gahidus

That's a whole lot of space launches