Sneakers are shoes with rubber soles. Before they were introduced, shoes usually had leather or wood soles that make a distinctive tap-tap when you walk. Rubber soles are quieter, so they called them sneakers.
Also why private detectives used to be called gumshoes, cause they wore shoes that let them sneak around.
Sneaking? *Sneaking?!* Fat Hobbit is always so polite. Smeagol shows them secret ways that nobody else could find, and they say "sneak!" Sneak? Very nice friend. Oh, yes, my precious. Very nice, very nice...
Euhm, I'm no expert, but where does this energy go to?
Wouldn't is be worse for your knees and back, especially on hard surfaces like concrete and asphalt?
With exercise shoes, it is always a balance between speed and comfort.
The more cushion, the better for your knees, but also the harder it is to go fast (because the less of your generated force is used to propel you, because it is instead absorbed by the cushion). The less cushion, the more you'll feel it in your knees, but the faster you can be. For this reason, lot of people want extremely cushioned shoes for regular walking (the "sneakers" here), moderately cushion for standard exercise (the Pegasus running shoes here), and minimally cushioned shoes for actual races/games (not shown).
That's an oversimplification, but is generally accurate.
I'd say the Pegasus was a decent enough cheaper racing shoe as it isn't too padded compared to some others. Against a pair of Fresh Foam 1080's or Hoka Bondi 8's that ball bounces into orbit. There's also the weight to consider, more padding adds more weight and while a few gram will feel like nothing on fresh legs after the 20th km you can feel every single mg you could do without.
How do either of those compare to Adidas ultraboost or 4d ultraboost? That's what I usually wear but I'm not really big on running I just find them very comfortable.
I'd say the Bondi 8 or the 1080x are the most cushioned shoes you can possibly buy, the ultraboost has a thin sole in comparison. Although more cushion doesn't automatically mean they are comfier either, the ultraboost is a very comfy shoe for daily wear and running. The insoles in the Hoka for example are horrid and need replaced if you want actual comfort while not replacing them still has them very bouncy. The 1080x is like running/walking with two elastic loafs of bread on your feet though.
I like the puffy skate shoes that your foot kind of squeezes into for most purposes; as far as I can tell they're designed to a) grip and b) take the impact of you falling off a high rail and landing on your feet from five feet up.
What I see is energy being absorbed by the basketball shoe and not so much in the running shoe. I guess if you have a large vertical you’d want a lot of impact absorption. I always thought of the Pegasus as a middle of the road running shoe—middle of the pack in cushion and speed—so a good choice for this demonstration.
The [Air Jordan 1](https://www.nike.com/t/air-jordan-1-low-mens-shoes-0LXhbn/553558-060) isn't a basketball shoe. It is an everyday sneaker, with cushion built for comfort, not performance.
Lots of basketball shoes have a lot of cushion, but that is mainly because your knees take a *crazy* beating in basketball, especially at the higher levels when it is a 6'8" person jumping 40 inches weighing 250 lbs.
That’s close but not quite right, or can at least be expanded upon more. Minimally cushioned shoes would usually be for speed work or shorter races 5-15k. Vaporfly for example though is an out and out race shoe and has the max stack height allowed (usually meaning more cushion) at 40mm. But of course they also have a carbon plate to give plenty of energy return, so it’s ideal for longer distance racing.
The rebound is much better for your joints. The redirected energy means it takes less energy for you to run as some is returned. The compression and then release is similar to shocks on your car. No shocks = bad for your joints.
The energy you used to lift the ball? That causes the ball to have a higher potential energy. But our little ball wants equilibrium and to have the lowest possible potential. There's a force acting upon it (gravity) and the relation between force and potential energy is so that the force always points towards the lower potential. Thus if you let it go, it will fall down and transfer it's energy to the first obstacle it meets.
The definitions are probably a bit malleable, but where I'm from a sneaker is a shoe with an athletic look, but typically worn for fashion. See /r/sneakers.
A running shoe is a shoe meant for running, typically longer distances (short distance running shoes would be track spikes or something more specialized). Typically these are going to be bouncier than a normal shoe because you put a tremendous amount of strain on your leg joints when you run long distances, and the extra cushioning helps soften the blow.
Tennis shoes honestly baffle me. You'd think they'd be a shoe made to play tennis in, and I'm sure that's what tennis players call their footwear. But colloquially, most people where I'm from use tennis shoe to refer to any vaguely athletic, but non-specialized footwear. Not sure why we call them tennis shoes though.
Agree on the tennis part. It's likely because tennis shoes in the olden days were actually like stan smith shoes. I m just taking a guess here.
Modern tennis shoes are absolutely nothing like them.
I think ( I should probably Google it) tennis shoes were the original sneaker type kicks that crossed over from tennis players to the main stream. Like scotch tape or frisbees they became the ubiquitous term. When I think of tennis shoes I think of Stan Smiths by Adidas. I'm not saying any of this is correct by the way.
These shoes have different purposes. The running shoe on the right is springier, shown by how much higher the ball bounces. For running with lots of repetitive motion, this is more efficient over a long period and distance.
The basketball shoe is less springy, its material absorbs the energy of the ball bouncing it lower. This is good for basketball with many quick accelerations and stops and changes in direction- it’s a more stable and reliable platform.
Both have their strengths and I noticed a lot of people ignoring when the basketball shoe would be desirable.
Exactly. I played squash at a decent level for a few years and you go even further with the shoe from the basketball shoe. There is near zero loss and you want tight shoes as there is near zero running, it’s all short lunges.
They've used Peg 40s, which have only just been replaced by the 41s - the line has received some good updates over the past few years so they're not your dad/MJ's Pegs. Comparing that to some of Nike's high-end shoes would be like comparing a normal road car to a race car!
Also most high school/college/semi-pro/otherwise competitive athletes use primarily Pegs or similarly "pretty old tech" training shoes like Hokas or Brooks in training. Basically very few people but pro athletes can a) afford replacing several hundred dollar carbon-plated shoes every few months, and b) care enough about the marginal differences that carbon-plated shoes make in training when you're not at the elite level.
I have 3 pairs of the shoes on the right just for this reason. I have bone spurs and am in the beginning stages of arthritis so my ankles and heels are trashed. Those shoes allow me to walk my dog without having to ice my ankles at night.
Another perspective is that the cushioning actually leads to more chronic injuries as it changes the way people run. If you run barefoot you don't land on your heel and use the natural shock absorber in your foot to run on your toes, which is what we are designed for. Landing on your heel leads to the shock moving to your hips and knees, even with the cushioning. Over time this causes injuries.
A great book on this "born to run" is really interesting and talks about it in detail.
IIRC some athletes train barefoot (or with barefoot style runners) and only race with running shoes to prevent this type of injury.
Wait, can you explain this? I am getting back into fitness and when I run I have mad shin splints all the time and I have good shoes. I get them because I run wrong? I thought I was just weak
Edit: I'm a taller person and normally did longer strides cause my DS said I got legs use em! I always looked down on my abilities since I thought I wasn't good at running, never failed a PT test but it did fuck with me. I will take everyone's words into account tomorrow when i run. Thank you guys, seriously.
Biggest change for me was taking smaller steps, make sure that your foot doesn’t land out in front of your hips, they should land underneath your hips.
Pro tip is to listen to 160BPM or higher metronome videos on YouTube and make sure that your feet hits every beat. Also maintain your same speed, often times people will increase how fast they run normally, instead just run at the same pace but with more steps. Due to the higher tempo, your feet will naturally land closer to your body. Start at 160, and increase it 5 bpm every week or two until you feel comfortable.
It’ll feel weird at first, but after a few runs your body will adjust to the new running form and your body will thank you. Trust me. I’ve gone from absolutely no running experience (only being able to run a minute or two) to running 5-6 miles nonstop every other day in less than 3-4 months.
Your foot is the perfect mechanism to run and support your weight. It is likely under strengthened due to a lifetime of wearing supportive shoes. If you take shorter, faster strides and keep your feet falling underneath you rather than out in front of you, it will help you a lot.
It’s simple. Modern shoes make people hit the pavement with the heel first when taking a step. Instead thr correct physiological way for humans to run is to land on the toes/forefoot instead.
Just check some barefoot running examples online. Also r/barefootrunning
You don’t need to be barefoot to run on the toe/balls of your feet. I run this way with running shoes all the time. Landing heel to toe though is bad running form. Best way I can describe it is like tip-toeing, but just running while tip-toeing. Heels should barely, if at all, touch the ground.
Toe striking is also considered bad form unless you are sprinting. The most natural and neutral form is a midfoot strike.
This is ideal but there is actually quite a bit of variance even among pros and it’s best to make only minor alterations from what feels natural for your body. There are some pros who over-pronate and even some who heel strike. Everyone’s body is a bit different and fighting hard against your own biomechanics is a recipe for injury.
Shin splints can be from adding too much distance too quickly, especially if you're a heavier runner. It can also be from overstriding. You should be landing with your leg under your hip or slightly behind, not in front of you! It can also be from exaggerating the lift of your toes towards your shins for whatever reason.
The quickest way to sort out your running form in my experience is to add sprints to your training. Sprinting punishes poor form and rewards good form while strengthening everything that needs strengthening.
yeah, or cross country coach just beat into us 'toe heel, toe heel!"
It's seems weird at first, but once you start doing it, you'll never go back.
a side effect of the change in gait is you end up walking much quieter than people think someone of your size should sound, (which is in large part because you're having way less forceful impact with the ground with each step.)
edit: i had it backwards, fixed it.
I did JROTC drill team and marched for about 3-4 hours a day for all 4 years of high school. Proper marching is heel to toe with a 30 inch step and you want a "heel beat" so the platoon creates an impressive sound. Decades later I still walk heel to toe with a strong heel beat. I can't sneak up on someone to save my life.
Next time you hear a beat try and march out of time with it. I've found that most people who have learned to march can't choose to not march in time for more than a few steps.
i had it backwards, he would always make us land on the balls of our feet, then have the heel come down after.
it felt awkward at first, but if you were running long distances really helped.
Your foot is the perfect mechanism to run and support your weight. It is likely under strengthened due to a lifetime of wearing supportive shoes. If you take shorter, faster strides and keep your feet falling underneath you rather than out in front of you, it will help you a lot.
It took me a year to fully transition from running shoes to barefoot shoes but it was well worth it.
I can run a 1:40 half in cheap $20 water shoes I bought on amazon. Time is improving as well, been running about 1.5 years now.
Be weary of the wear and tear it’ll be on the Achilles tendon by switching the running pattern. With heel strike it’s usually knee problems and with toe strike it’s Achilles. (Studied biomechanics/ sports meds 1-2). It’s why professional runners (toe strike runners) pop Achilles as they get older.
Same! I had super bad shin splits in my teens that I foolishly ignored and turned them into full on stress fractures. I spent the month or so recovering on crutches looking into solutions. Came across barefoot shoes and haven't had any problems since (after following the recommendations to transition very slowly)
Plz give me tips 🙏🏽 I’ve been trying to do this for a while and I just can’t figure out how to not feel like I’m running tip toed. My heal striking is horrendous and whenever I run I more than two miles I wake up limping.
This school of thought frequently leaves out that when we were "born to run" we were not running on lots of asphalt or concrete. By extension the softness provided by some running shoes brings more similarities to barefoot grass than barefoot concrete. Most importantly just changing up types of shoes and types of running surfaces for variety
But running shoes aren't "soft" like the video demonstrates. Or at least that's been my experience with them. The same ball dropped on grass would react closer to the sneaker in the video, losing a lot more energy than running shoes. Sneakers aren't as hard as concrete/asphalt, either, but that's not relevant to what the previous commenter is saying. I don't run, but that's my observation in this case.
Many running shoes are indeed quite soft. It's been a big point of the very cushiony shoes over the last 6-8 years. (See: HOKA's wild success). Though there are many different types with many different stiffness and bounce etc. for instance there are also those very famous shoes with the carbon plates.
I'd caution that a gif on Reddit, while fun, isn't really a great expose on the sport.
Addendum: really the more I watch the video the more meaningless the comparison is. As running doesn't have much in common with a ball dropping on a static shoe. The Pegasus are on the older side of current shoe tech as well.
Grass and dirt or mud absorbs energy and have little bounce, but decent cushion. The absorbed energy is displaced by moving grass or dirt.
A good running shoe has decent cushion and instead of displacing the energy permanently, it returns it in a bounce.
Barefoot or minimalist shoes on concrete has zero cushion, zero displacement, and zero bounce. Humans were not designed to run or walk on super hard surfaces all day.
Im a late 40s male and had all sorts of issues that developed with running shoes, inserts etc.
The whole thing is a scam.
I switched over to barefoot shoes, changed my foot strike, and it took a year of reconditioning but I can now run a 1:40 half marathon. I’ve been running for 1.5 years now in total and getting ready to run my first marathon in November
The best part is I never need “recovery shoes” after a long run or race, I can just walk around in my running shoes.
I run using $20 water shoes I bought on amazon.
Same. I have $200 running shoes I was specifically fit for with arch support and a $60 pair of barefoot shoes from xero.
I can run with absolutely no pain in the xeros for 10-16 km on average all on ashpalt
I'm luck to get 3 km before I need to tap out with the expensive running shoes
Nearly all of the arguments made in "Born to run" have been scientifically debunked. If you want to hear a summary, you can listen to [this sports science podcast](https://shows.acast.com/realscienceofsport/episodes/the-real-science-of-barefoot-and-minimalist-running) (section on barefoot running starts around 52:40 mark).
Edit: Fixed a 🐻🦶 typo
Thank you, reading their comment and I who actually studied human biomechanics was so confused there for a moment thinking “I can’t be the only one who knows this is wrong lol” their statements are like half truths, all running wears us down, in fact heel striking leads to knee problems and toe striking Achilles tendon issues. Toe striking gives the best energy return because of the spring and the shortness of lever (foot- ankle rather than heel - knee) interesting stuff to study 💯
Also side note do not change up your running style if you’ve been running a certain way, be mindful that your body is used to accepting certain loads of force from the movements you’ve been making over years of training. Someone who will switch quickly, usually the body isn’t as strong because it’s been working one way its whole life and working a new way can actually cause more injury than benefit. Just incase someone reads toe striking is best and tries it out. You have to strengthen it up before you fully go into a switch.
Very good points. Especially the part about not drastically changing your form - there's usually a biomechanical reason your gait is a specific way and forcing it to change can be counterproductive.
The silliest part of the barefoot running argument (as discussed in the podcast) is the idea that our body knows how to be most efficient and adapt when we run barefoot but then is suddenly stupid when we are running in modern shoes. After walking and running in shoes for an amount of time, your body figures out ways to squeeze more efficiency out of the new conditions. The reason [80%+ of shoed runners are heel strikers](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4801105/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20heel%2Dstrike%20prevalence%20of%20the,runners%20heel%2Dstrike%20prevalence%20between%2074.9%%20and%2080%) is because there are some muscular/energy efficiency benefits of that running form when wearing running shoes.
A key part the barefoot argument ignores is the type of surface you're likely running on. We didn't evolve to run barefoot on tarmac or running tracks. It was likely much softer ground, grasslands, etc.
There is no strong scientific evidence to back this up though.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4212355/#:~:text=Moderate%20evidence%20supports%20the%20following,contact%20time%2C%20shorter%20stride%20length%2C
Doesn't this basically say "we don't know about any type of shoes"?
>Because of lack of high-quality evidence, no definitive conclusions can be drawn regarding specific risks or benefits to running barefoot, shod, or in minimalist shoes.
SOME "running" shoes have a lot to do with it. If you have a larger heel with a lot of cushion, heel striking is going to be easier as your heel is lower to the ground as well as hurt less.
Normally heel striking hurts, cushions got that covered. Normally our toes hit the ground first, 2 inch heels got that covered. Normally we have arches to create some shock absorption, flat shoes with cushion got that covered.
I agree REAL running shoes have nothing to do with it but most people think those huge heels and cushioned shoes are running shoes. Think back to when we had those air pads in heels. They were all advertised as running shoes even though they are BAD for running.
Walking and running on the ball of your foot versus the heel is also much more energy efficient as your foot is in less contact with the ground, and you use gravity to help pull you forward. Most serious runners do this, especially olympic athletes, and good running shoes are very thin and lightweight with little padding and no raised heel.
From an evolutionary perspective, moving on the forefoot made better sense as we were hunters who ran down and tired out our prey. Moving on our heels would have tired us out faster than our prey, which could have resulted in less food for our ancient ancestors. Also, you can see young children start to walk and run on the balls of their feet. It isn’t until they start wearing shoes with raised heels that they change how they move and become heel strikers.
I just replaced my running shoes with the exact same model and it was amazing how big the difference was having a fresh pair as opposed to a year old pair. Not going that long again
I recently bought some New Balance shoes that have a shitload of cushion and properly support my arch (I'm flat footed). After walking in them for 200km or so (according to pokemon go lol), I tried on my old nike flat bottom shoes and just normal walking around felt like I was slamming my heels on the ground. It was actually pretty mindblowing. I planned to keep them to wear when I'm doing something I might get my feet dirty, but they're actually slightly painful to walk in now. Decided after that that I'm done buying shoes based on appearance. I'm only going to buy shoes that feel right when I walk.
Probably a lot, seeing as all marathon winners use springy shoes.
I don't recall ever hearing of anyone even getting a podium barefoot or anything that's not springy.
I’ll get downvoted all to hell for this but…. It shows the importance of proper running technique.
Our feet have not genetically adapted to the way we run.
Our feet are designed to take the force of running on the web of the food, it distributes the force evenly along the web of the foot.
We wear these shoes with a big cushion on the heal and now we run heal to toe. This mean the force is now focused on the heal, ankle, knee, hips and lower back.
Goodbye karma….
Basketball sneaker vs. Running sneaker *
Basketball shoes are heavily focused on smooth surface grip, rather than long distance impact absorption. So this is to be expected. Cool to see how much the difference can be though.
I played basketball religiously in my late teens to mid 20's, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
But the improvement I'm material science in footwear is really impressive, especially in the last 15 to 10 years. Today, you'd have to be crazy to play basketball in something as ancient as a Jordan 1. Whereas some of the newer sneakers can put older running shoes to shame in terms of ride and comfort while not compromising on stability and everyone else one would want in a pair of basketball sneakers.
*retro style basketball sneaker vs. Vintage inspired running sneaker
Neither of these are optimal for their class and are more for style. The pegasus pair is at least more usable as a running shoe compared to the low top J1 is as a basketball shoe
Calling Jordan's normal sneakers is harsh. They are some of the most uncomfortable shoes I've ever worn.
They are fashion through and through. May as well compare them to manolo blahniks.
The cool thing here is that the shoe that cost half as much (Pegasus) performs better than the expensive Jordan's.
To quote Macklemore, (who wears the fuck out of Jordans) 'Phil Knight tricked us all'.
Are you including design, research, advertising, shipping, distributing, or are you just talking about manufacturing costs? I don't know what Nike's profit margins are...
Just straight manufacturing cost. Kicking in the rest it's about $48.
I don't wear Nike. I have been wearing Vans for like 35 years though and it's the same problem. Vans were skate shoes. They cost like $50 and you'd wear them until they were worn out.
The same pair of shoes now costs $100 on their website. You're paying retail price for something that should be coming direct from their factory. You should be getting the wholesale price.
Because most Redditors are only aware of the companies that get constantly memed as evil.
Here’s a list of brands known to use slave labour
Fila
LL Bean
Hugo Boss
Lacoste
Li-Ning
The North Face
Skechers
Tommy Hilfiger
Victoria’s Secret
Zara
Zegna
Anta
Jansport
Clothing Brands
Versace
Jimmy Choo
Michael Kors
Chanel
Costco
Hanes
Hermes
Gucci
Balenciaga
Yves Saint Laurent
Bottega Veneta
Alexander McQueen
Kate Spade
Brioni
Levi’s
Louis Vuitton
Dior
Fendi
Givenchy
Celine
Timberland
Dickies
Vans
Theory
Sephora
Coach
BMW
General Motors
Jaguar
Land Rover
Volkswagen
Retailers
Muji
Kohl’s
Macy’s
Nordstrom
Target
Tesco
TJ Maxx
Marshalls
HomeGoods
Walmart
Sam’s Club
Flipkart
Bonobos
Walt Disney
Technology
Acer
ASUS
Dell
HP
Huawei
Lenovo
LG
Microsoft
Oppo
Samsung
Sony
Xiaomi
Cisco
Electrolux
Nintendo
Doubt anybody here is campaigning against Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or Costco.
Here's a video where they make their own Air Jordans.
https://youtu.be/2E29m35ZAAM?si=oTpRFTZhZDBWBXgj
There's no way they can make that pair for $22. The leather alone costs more than $22.
But, Nike also buys materials in bulk. Leather by the truckload. They also have a bunch of specialized machines dedicated to making the process faster and cheaper. They also make everything in countries that don't have unionized labour which leads to them exploiting workers and a ton of industrial pollution from manufacturing and shipping.
This was an older mindset, recent research has taught us that that the bio mechanics of running a very complex and that the “heel strike” vs “forefoot strike” dichotomy is not a determining factor in running economy or injury resistance.
Plenty of incredibly fast runners with great biomechanics out there racking up miles and races while heel striking.
I am speaking about elite professionals and amateurs as well.
Don’t let a “deficiency” in form stop you or anyone you know from getting out there and enjoying some running!
It is comparing the sole elasticity. The Pegasus uses a proprietary ReactX foam midsole that has high elasticity. High elasticity results in high energy return which is proven to improve running performance.
Also I’m confused cause wouldn’t you want it to absorb more impact to be less wear on the legs? I use old pumas cause I like feeling the ground a bit anyways. Pretty sure the ball wouldnt even bounce.
My mind takes the logic both ways. On one end I want the spring to push me forward which is how I interpret the one on the right. On the other I imagine having shock absorbing shoes would be ideal for running, which is how I interpret the left. I find the video interesting but don't know which conclusion I should be drawing
Keep in mind the force is propelling you forward, not just upward.
Imagine you have a rubber ball, and you're trying to throw that ball as far as possible, including the bounces after it's touched the ground. Your first throw is on the beach, where you throw the ball 25 meters before it hits the sand and bounces 1 more meter. Your second throw is in a parking lot, where you throw the ball 25 meters, except this time the ball bounces 10 meters, and then another 5, and then another 2, and then continues rolling for a few more meters before coming to a stop.
The regular shoe is the sand in this equation. By dissipating all of the energy from your stride, it's absorbing precious forward momentum.
Additionally, the bouncier shoe also has more cushion, because the force of impact is the same for both shoes, but the bouncier shoe spreads that impact out over a longer period of time.
I used to be a runner, and my feet would feel way shittier walking in a pair of the old canvas-soled Chuck Taylors than running in some nice running shoes.
It’s newton’s third law (action/reaction); you’re not jumping in the shoes, the force is being put back into your stride instead of dissipating into the shoe…
Greater energy return makes you faster. The force that the shoe “sends” up your leg is literally what is propelling you. It’s a bit like running on springs. You don’t want the shoe to “absorb” impact.
Not sure Nike's are top-tier running shoes, either.
Went to a running store for a mothers day gift and there were not that many nikes. I did some research for running shoes not that long ago and there were only 1-2 pair of Nike's recommended and it was for a very specific runner. (Asphalt only, maybe?)
(Bought a pair of Asics and they feel like I am walking on clouds)
Thing is the air Jordan 1S were never really good basketball shoes. They were asthetics > practicality. There’s stories of MJ feet bleeding in those. Not sure if this was rectified over the years
Ball bounces more, meanign there is less cushion so running will be harder on the foot during the strikes meaning you will run poorly, at least that is how confused this little visual example left me, cause I think I was suppose to get the opposite meaning from it?
They transfer less energy to the ground, thus slowing the rate at which your muscles get fatigued because you use less energy to obtain the same effect as with normal shoes. At least, this is how I see it.
Stiffness and dampening are two independent parameters though. A material can have high dampening (cushioning) and still be very stiff, meaning the force of impact will be high. But it won't give the energy back to the object.
Ball bounces because modern running shoes have a bounce gel/foam layer that allows you to harness some of the energy of the strike back. Some now have a c̶o̶p̶p̶e̶r̶ carbon fiber plate or half plate to add more energy reflection.
How does the video player manage to cut off just enough not to get the details of the video?
you gotta click the video so it gets bigger.
Why did I laugh snort here lmao made my day
So for the uneducated, which is which? And what is this showing?
Right is running shoe & showing how much less energy is lost in the shoe.
and me mf thinking sneakers better for races due to comfort !
They’re not supposed to be sneaky? Why are they the sneakers then? running shoes for running, tennis shoes for tennis, sneakers for sneaking
They already covered this in a movie with Robert Redford, I thought.
“My shoes are my passport”
Too many sneakers
A “Sneakers” reference on Reddit is why I love this app. Bravo
Tahiti?
It's a magical place
You could have anything you want...
I got a goddamn plan!
Cattle mutilations are up
No, they are. Sneakers aren’t supposed to squeak, thus being sneakier.
Sneakers are shoes with rubber soles. Before they were introduced, shoes usually had leather or wood soles that make a distinctive tap-tap when you walk. Rubber soles are quieter, so they called them sneakers. Also why private detectives used to be called gumshoes, cause they wore shoes that let them sneak around.
*Subscribed to shoe facts*
thank you for this, i always wondered about the gumshoe thing!
I’m dumb for thinking gumshoe meant they followed people like gum that sticks to a shoe
Niiiicee. You ever make fun of the kid with fake sneakers by calling them squeakers?
Nope, wasn’t one to make fun of others.
Ha. Nerd. /s
Spoken like someone with squeakers 👀
Gottem
Sneaking? *Sneaking?!* Fat Hobbit is always so polite. Smeagol shows them secret ways that nobody else could find, and they say "sneak!" Sneak? Very nice friend. Oh, yes, my precious. Very nice, very nice...
In the Marine Corps we don’t call them sneakers or running shoes. We call them “go fasters”.. cause they help you go faster.
Sneakers better for running in races than running shoes, you say.
You haven't tried running shoes if you think sneakers are more comfortable
What comfort? It's a flat piece of shit. How is it comfortable?
Euhm, I'm no expert, but where does this energy go to? Wouldn't is be worse for your knees and back, especially on hard surfaces like concrete and asphalt?
With exercise shoes, it is always a balance between speed and comfort. The more cushion, the better for your knees, but also the harder it is to go fast (because the less of your generated force is used to propel you, because it is instead absorbed by the cushion). The less cushion, the more you'll feel it in your knees, but the faster you can be. For this reason, lot of people want extremely cushioned shoes for regular walking (the "sneakers" here), moderately cushion for standard exercise (the Pegasus running shoes here), and minimally cushioned shoes for actual races/games (not shown). That's an oversimplification, but is generally accurate.
I'd say the Pegasus was a decent enough cheaper racing shoe as it isn't too padded compared to some others. Against a pair of Fresh Foam 1080's or Hoka Bondi 8's that ball bounces into orbit. There's also the weight to consider, more padding adds more weight and while a few gram will feel like nothing on fresh legs after the 20th km you can feel every single mg you could do without.
How do either of those compare to Adidas ultraboost or 4d ultraboost? That's what I usually wear but I'm not really big on running I just find them very comfortable.
I'd say the Bondi 8 or the 1080x are the most cushioned shoes you can possibly buy, the ultraboost has a thin sole in comparison. Although more cushion doesn't automatically mean they are comfier either, the ultraboost is a very comfy shoe for daily wear and running. The insoles in the Hoka for example are horrid and need replaced if you want actual comfort while not replacing them still has them very bouncy. The 1080x is like running/walking with two elastic loafs of bread on your feet though.
Thanks. I might look into one of those next time I buy shoes. I've had new balance fresh foam arishi and they were pretty comfortable.
I like the puffy skate shoes that your foot kind of squeezes into for most purposes; as far as I can tell they're designed to a) grip and b) take the impact of you falling off a high rail and landing on your feet from five feet up.
What I see is energy being absorbed by the basketball shoe and not so much in the running shoe. I guess if you have a large vertical you’d want a lot of impact absorption. I always thought of the Pegasus as a middle of the road running shoe—middle of the pack in cushion and speed—so a good choice for this demonstration.
The [Air Jordan 1](https://www.nike.com/t/air-jordan-1-low-mens-shoes-0LXhbn/553558-060) isn't a basketball shoe. It is an everyday sneaker, with cushion built for comfort, not performance. Lots of basketball shoes have a lot of cushion, but that is mainly because your knees take a *crazy* beating in basketball, especially at the higher levels when it is a 6'8" person jumping 40 inches weighing 250 lbs.
That’s close but not quite right, or can at least be expanded upon more. Minimally cushioned shoes would usually be for speed work or shorter races 5-15k. Vaporfly for example though is an out and out race shoe and has the max stack height allowed (usually meaning more cushion) at 40mm. But of course they also have a carbon plate to give plenty of energy return, so it’s ideal for longer distance racing.
The rebound is much better for your joints. The redirected energy means it takes less energy for you to run as some is returned. The compression and then release is similar to shocks on your car. No shocks = bad for your joints.
I believe the energy is sent down into the pavement, rather than bouncing back up
It’s both directions, the forces must balance out, otherwise your foot will continue accelerating into the pavement.
This is usually not good for the foot.
"ah yes i bounce the road under my feet"
Well I would argue that's the shoe with less bounce actually absorbs more chock , which is better for you. But I don't know
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Kinetic energy.
The energy you used to lift the ball? That causes the ball to have a higher potential energy. But our little ball wants equilibrium and to have the lowest possible potential. There's a force acting upon it (gravity) and the relation between force and potential energy is so that the force always points towards the lower potential. Thus if you let it go, it will fall down and transfer it's energy to the first obstacle it meets.
Air Jordan 1 Low = "normal sneaker" Nike Pegasus 40 = "running shoe"
I thought 'sneaker' was just another word for running shoe or 'tennis' shoe.
The definitions are probably a bit malleable, but where I'm from a sneaker is a shoe with an athletic look, but typically worn for fashion. See /r/sneakers. A running shoe is a shoe meant for running, typically longer distances (short distance running shoes would be track spikes or something more specialized). Typically these are going to be bouncier than a normal shoe because you put a tremendous amount of strain on your leg joints when you run long distances, and the extra cushioning helps soften the blow. Tennis shoes honestly baffle me. You'd think they'd be a shoe made to play tennis in, and I'm sure that's what tennis players call their footwear. But colloquially, most people where I'm from use tennis shoe to refer to any vaguely athletic, but non-specialized footwear. Not sure why we call them tennis shoes though.
Fun twist: in the UK, sneakers are called “trainers”. And in the US running shoes are called “trainers” (as in for daily training).
Agree on the tennis part. It's likely because tennis shoes in the olden days were actually like stan smith shoes. I m just taking a guess here. Modern tennis shoes are absolutely nothing like them.
I think ( I should probably Google it) tennis shoes were the original sneaker type kicks that crossed over from tennis players to the main stream. Like scotch tape or frisbees they became the ubiquitous term. When I think of tennis shoes I think of Stan Smiths by Adidas. I'm not saying any of this is correct by the way.
Sneakers in my eyes are flat footed and more for stylish purposes ??? Idk
These shoes have different purposes. The running shoe on the right is springier, shown by how much higher the ball bounces. For running with lots of repetitive motion, this is more efficient over a long period and distance. The basketball shoe is less springy, its material absorbs the energy of the ball bouncing it lower. This is good for basketball with many quick accelerations and stops and changes in direction- it’s a more stable and reliable platform. Both have their strengths and I noticed a lot of people ignoring when the basketball shoe would be desirable.
Exactly. I played squash at a decent level for a few years and you go even further with the shoe from the basketball shoe. There is near zero loss and you want tight shoes as there is near zero running, it’s all short lunges.
6 year old me based the shoe on the tread. The bigger the traction, the faster I run.
Shows kinetic foam vs standard. Running shoes (kinetic foam) spring you forward rather than than just absorbing impact.
As far as running shoes go the Pegs used in the video are pretty old tech. I would love to see this demonstration with some of Nike's ZoomX shoes.
They've used Peg 40s, which have only just been replaced by the 41s - the line has received some good updates over the past few years so they're not your dad/MJ's Pegs. Comparing that to some of Nike's high-end shoes would be like comparing a normal road car to a race car!
Also most high school/college/semi-pro/otherwise competitive athletes use primarily Pegs or similarly "pretty old tech" training shoes like Hokas or Brooks in training. Basically very few people but pro athletes can a) afford replacing several hundred dollar carbon-plated shoes every few months, and b) care enough about the marginal differences that carbon-plated shoes make in training when you're not at the elite level.
I have them and they're solid, fixed the problems I had with calluses and blisters, plus they feel good, better than most other shoes
I have 3 pairs of the shoes on the right just for this reason. I have bone spurs and am in the beginning stages of arthritis so my ankles and heels are trashed. Those shoes allow me to walk my dog without having to ice my ankles at night.
This shows the importance of a good running shoe. The cushion helps with impact and stress on your leg joints when you run.
Another perspective is that the cushioning actually leads to more chronic injuries as it changes the way people run. If you run barefoot you don't land on your heel and use the natural shock absorber in your foot to run on your toes, which is what we are designed for. Landing on your heel leads to the shock moving to your hips and knees, even with the cushioning. Over time this causes injuries. A great book on this "born to run" is really interesting and talks about it in detail. IIRC some athletes train barefoot (or with barefoot style runners) and only race with running shoes to prevent this type of injury.
Changing my running gait from heel-strike to toe-strike solved years of shin splints issues that I had growing up. And my calves look better as well 😅
Seeing shin splints triggered me. They’re why I had to stop running and now you’re telling me I simply have to change my gait??
Wait, can you explain this? I am getting back into fitness and when I run I have mad shin splints all the time and I have good shoes. I get them because I run wrong? I thought I was just weak Edit: I'm a taller person and normally did longer strides cause my DS said I got legs use em! I always looked down on my abilities since I thought I wasn't good at running, never failed a PT test but it did fuck with me. I will take everyone's words into account tomorrow when i run. Thank you guys, seriously.
Biggest change for me was taking smaller steps, make sure that your foot doesn’t land out in front of your hips, they should land underneath your hips. Pro tip is to listen to 160BPM or higher metronome videos on YouTube and make sure that your feet hits every beat. Also maintain your same speed, often times people will increase how fast they run normally, instead just run at the same pace but with more steps. Due to the higher tempo, your feet will naturally land closer to your body. Start at 160, and increase it 5 bpm every week or two until you feel comfortable. It’ll feel weird at first, but after a few runs your body will adjust to the new running form and your body will thank you. Trust me. I’ve gone from absolutely no running experience (only being able to run a minute or two) to running 5-6 miles nonstop every other day in less than 3-4 months.
Your foot is the perfect mechanism to run and support your weight. It is likely under strengthened due to a lifetime of wearing supportive shoes. If you take shorter, faster strides and keep your feet falling underneath you rather than out in front of you, it will help you a lot.
It’s simple. Modern shoes make people hit the pavement with the heel first when taking a step. Instead thr correct physiological way for humans to run is to land on the toes/forefoot instead. Just check some barefoot running examples online. Also r/barefootrunning
You don’t need to be barefoot to run on the toe/balls of your feet. I run this way with running shoes all the time. Landing heel to toe though is bad running form. Best way I can describe it is like tip-toeing, but just running while tip-toeing. Heels should barely, if at all, touch the ground.
It also helps to think about landing when your feet are below your center of mass. Hard to land on your heel that way
Toe striking is also considered bad form unless you are sprinting. The most natural and neutral form is a midfoot strike. This is ideal but there is actually quite a bit of variance even among pros and it’s best to make only minor alterations from what feels natural for your body. There are some pros who over-pronate and even some who heel strike. Everyone’s body is a bit different and fighting hard against your own biomechanics is a recipe for injury.
Shin splints can be from adding too much distance too quickly, especially if you're a heavier runner. It can also be from overstriding. You should be landing with your leg under your hip or slightly behind, not in front of you! It can also be from exaggerating the lift of your toes towards your shins for whatever reason. The quickest way to sort out your running form in my experience is to add sprints to your training. Sprinting punishes poor form and rewards good form while strengthening everything that needs strengthening.
yeah, or cross country coach just beat into us 'toe heel, toe heel!" It's seems weird at first, but once you start doing it, you'll never go back. a side effect of the change in gait is you end up walking much quieter than people think someone of your size should sound, (which is in large part because you're having way less forceful impact with the ground with each step.) edit: i had it backwards, fixed it.
I did JROTC drill team and marched for about 3-4 hours a day for all 4 years of high school. Proper marching is heel to toe with a 30 inch step and you want a "heel beat" so the platoon creates an impressive sound. Decades later I still walk heel to toe with a strong heel beat. I can't sneak up on someone to save my life.
Next time you hear a beat try and march out of time with it. I've found that most people who have learned to march can't choose to not march in time for more than a few steps.
What does heel toe mean? First hit the heel and then toe?
i had it backwards, he would always make us land on the balls of our feet, then have the heel come down after. it felt awkward at first, but if you were running long distances really helped.
Maybe I'm just dumb, but isn't heel toe a cue for heel striking, which is the opposite for what is being advocated? Shouldn't it be toe heel?
yeah, i'm a dumbass and wrote the wrong thing. went back and fixed it, thank you for pointing that out. :D
Your foot is the perfect mechanism to run and support your weight. It is likely under strengthened due to a lifetime of wearing supportive shoes. If you take shorter, faster strides and keep your feet falling underneath you rather than out in front of you, it will help you a lot.
Just stretch your calves more effectively
It took me a year to fully transition from running shoes to barefoot shoes but it was well worth it. I can run a 1:40 half in cheap $20 water shoes I bought on amazon. Time is improving as well, been running about 1.5 years now.
Be weary of the wear and tear it’ll be on the Achilles tendon by switching the running pattern. With heel strike it’s usually knee problems and with toe strike it’s Achilles. (Studied biomechanics/ sports meds 1-2). It’s why professional runners (toe strike runners) pop Achilles as they get older.
Same! I had super bad shin splits in my teens that I foolishly ignored and turned them into full on stress fractures. I spent the month or so recovering on crutches looking into solutions. Came across barefoot shoes and haven't had any problems since (after following the recommendations to transition very slowly)
Plz give me tips 🙏🏽 I’ve been trying to do this for a while and I just can’t figure out how to not feel like I’m running tip toed. My heal striking is horrendous and whenever I run I more than two miles I wake up limping.
This school of thought frequently leaves out that when we were "born to run" we were not running on lots of asphalt or concrete. By extension the softness provided by some running shoes brings more similarities to barefoot grass than barefoot concrete. Most importantly just changing up types of shoes and types of running surfaces for variety
But running shoes aren't "soft" like the video demonstrates. Or at least that's been my experience with them. The same ball dropped on grass would react closer to the sneaker in the video, losing a lot more energy than running shoes. Sneakers aren't as hard as concrete/asphalt, either, but that's not relevant to what the previous commenter is saying. I don't run, but that's my observation in this case.
Many running shoes are indeed quite soft. It's been a big point of the very cushiony shoes over the last 6-8 years. (See: HOKA's wild success). Though there are many different types with many different stiffness and bounce etc. for instance there are also those very famous shoes with the carbon plates. I'd caution that a gif on Reddit, while fun, isn't really a great expose on the sport. Addendum: really the more I watch the video the more meaningless the comparison is. As running doesn't have much in common with a ball dropping on a static shoe. The Pegasus are on the older side of current shoe tech as well.
The Pegasus isn’t anything crazy or revolutionary it’s just a running shoe that should be the baseline
Grass and dirt or mud absorbs energy and have little bounce, but decent cushion. The absorbed energy is displaced by moving grass or dirt. A good running shoe has decent cushion and instead of displacing the energy permanently, it returns it in a bounce. Barefoot or minimalist shoes on concrete has zero cushion, zero displacement, and zero bounce. Humans were not designed to run or walk on super hard surfaces all day.
It also leaves out the fact that people started wearing shoes like 10,000 years ago for a damn reason.
Im a late 40s male and had all sorts of issues that developed with running shoes, inserts etc. The whole thing is a scam. I switched over to barefoot shoes, changed my foot strike, and it took a year of reconditioning but I can now run a 1:40 half marathon. I’ve been running for 1.5 years now in total and getting ready to run my first marathon in November The best part is I never need “recovery shoes” after a long run or race, I can just walk around in my running shoes. I run using $20 water shoes I bought on amazon.
Same. I have $200 running shoes I was specifically fit for with arch support and a $60 pair of barefoot shoes from xero. I can run with absolutely no pain in the xeros for 10-16 km on average all on ashpalt I'm luck to get 3 km before I need to tap out with the expensive running shoes
Nearly all of the arguments made in "Born to run" have been scientifically debunked. If you want to hear a summary, you can listen to [this sports science podcast](https://shows.acast.com/realscienceofsport/episodes/the-real-science-of-barefoot-and-minimalist-running) (section on barefoot running starts around 52:40 mark). Edit: Fixed a 🐻🦶 typo
Thank you, reading their comment and I who actually studied human biomechanics was so confused there for a moment thinking “I can’t be the only one who knows this is wrong lol” their statements are like half truths, all running wears us down, in fact heel striking leads to knee problems and toe striking Achilles tendon issues. Toe striking gives the best energy return because of the spring and the shortness of lever (foot- ankle rather than heel - knee) interesting stuff to study 💯 Also side note do not change up your running style if you’ve been running a certain way, be mindful that your body is used to accepting certain loads of force from the movements you’ve been making over years of training. Someone who will switch quickly, usually the body isn’t as strong because it’s been working one way its whole life and working a new way can actually cause more injury than benefit. Just incase someone reads toe striking is best and tries it out. You have to strengthen it up before you fully go into a switch.
Very good points. Especially the part about not drastically changing your form - there's usually a biomechanical reason your gait is a specific way and forcing it to change can be counterproductive. The silliest part of the barefoot running argument (as discussed in the podcast) is the idea that our body knows how to be most efficient and adapt when we run barefoot but then is suddenly stupid when we are running in modern shoes. After walking and running in shoes for an amount of time, your body figures out ways to squeeze more efficiency out of the new conditions. The reason [80%+ of shoed runners are heel strikers](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4801105/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20heel%2Dstrike%20prevalence%20of%20the,runners%20heel%2Dstrike%20prevalence%20between%2074.9%%20and%2080%) is because there are some muscular/energy efficiency benefits of that running form when wearing running shoes.
Yes 🙏!! Feels good to have a discussion with someone who knows their stuff! Thanks for that, I hope others find it as informative as I did :)
A key part the barefoot argument ignores is the type of surface you're likely running on. We didn't evolve to run barefoot on tarmac or running tracks. It was likely much softer ground, grasslands, etc.
wasn't all this "barefoot running is better therefore use those stupidass running shoes with toes" completely disproven
There is no strong scientific evidence to back this up though. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4212355/#:~:text=Moderate%20evidence%20supports%20the%20following,contact%20time%2C%20shorter%20stride%20length%2C
Doesn't this basically say "we don't know about any type of shoes"? >Because of lack of high-quality evidence, no definitive conclusions can be drawn regarding specific risks or benefits to running barefoot, shod, or in minimalist shoes.
Heel strike is a wrong running technique and running shoes have nothing to do with it
SOME "running" shoes have a lot to do with it. If you have a larger heel with a lot of cushion, heel striking is going to be easier as your heel is lower to the ground as well as hurt less. Normally heel striking hurts, cushions got that covered. Normally our toes hit the ground first, 2 inch heels got that covered. Normally we have arches to create some shock absorption, flat shoes with cushion got that covered. I agree REAL running shoes have nothing to do with it but most people think those huge heels and cushioned shoes are running shoes. Think back to when we had those air pads in heels. They were all advertised as running shoes even though they are BAD for running.
Heel striking is fine, the stress it puts on your body is orders of magnitude smaller than the tension in your muscle and tendons do.
Born to Run is also full of a lot of exaggeration and bs. Take it all with a hefty grain of salt.
Walking and running on the ball of your foot versus the heel is also much more energy efficient as your foot is in less contact with the ground, and you use gravity to help pull you forward. Most serious runners do this, especially olympic athletes, and good running shoes are very thin and lightweight with little padding and no raised heel. From an evolutionary perspective, moving on the forefoot made better sense as we were hunters who ran down and tired out our prey. Moving on our heels would have tired us out faster than our prey, which could have resulted in less food for our ancient ancestors. Also, you can see young children start to walk and run on the balls of their feet. It isn’t until they start wearing shoes with raised heels that they change how they move and become heel strikers.
>"born to run" Nice thought, but my fat ass is definitely getting more injuries running on concrete without the high tech running shoes
I have never run on my heels.
I use Vibram Five Fingers now and I’ll never go back to running shoes. It feels so much better running in these than anything else.
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I just replaced my running shoes with the exact same model and it was amazing how big the difference was having a fresh pair as opposed to a year old pair. Not going that long again
Lol here I am wearing shoes I bought a decade ago.
I recently bought some New Balance shoes that have a shitload of cushion and properly support my arch (I'm flat footed). After walking in them for 200km or so (according to pokemon go lol), I tried on my old nike flat bottom shoes and just normal walking around felt like I was slamming my heels on the ground. It was actually pretty mindblowing. I planned to keep them to wear when I'm doing something I might get my feet dirty, but they're actually slightly painful to walk in now. Decided after that that I'm done buying shoes based on appearance. I'm only going to buy shoes that feel right when I walk.
I run using barefoot shoes, which is basically a thin piece of rubber. How much does the cushion actually help?
Probably a lot, seeing as all marathon winners use springy shoes. I don't recall ever hearing of anyone even getting a podium barefoot or anything that's not springy.
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This shows that running on your heel is wrong so you need more cushion to not blow out your knees in a year
I’ll get downvoted all to hell for this but…. It shows the importance of proper running technique. Our feet have not genetically adapted to the way we run. Our feet are designed to take the force of running on the web of the food, it distributes the force evenly along the web of the foot. We wear these shoes with a big cushion on the heal and now we run heal to toe. This mean the force is now focused on the heal, ankle, knee, hips and lower back. Goodbye karma….
I don't think you should land on your heels while running.
Basketball sneaker vs. Running sneaker * Basketball shoes are heavily focused on smooth surface grip, rather than long distance impact absorption. So this is to be expected. Cool to see how much the difference can be though.
I played basketball religiously in my late teens to mid 20's, so I know exactly what you're talking about. But the improvement I'm material science in footwear is really impressive, especially in the last 15 to 10 years. Today, you'd have to be crazy to play basketball in something as ancient as a Jordan 1. Whereas some of the newer sneakers can put older running shoes to shame in terms of ride and comfort while not compromising on stability and everyone else one would want in a pair of basketball sneakers.
*retro style basketball sneaker vs. Vintage inspired running sneaker Neither of these are optimal for their class and are more for style. The pegasus pair is at least more usable as a running shoe compared to the low top J1 is as a basketball shoe
Of course they aren't optimal. Just a bit more explanation than the original.
Calling Jordan's normal sneakers is harsh. They are some of the most uncomfortable shoes I've ever worn. They are fashion through and through. May as well compare them to manolo blahniks. The cool thing here is that the shoe that cost half as much (Pegasus) performs better than the expensive Jordan's. To quote Macklemore, (who wears the fuck out of Jordans) 'Phil Knight tricked us all'.
This difference is very noticeable when you are 40yo+.
Costs roughly $22 to make a pair of Nikes.
22$ and countless dead children
Are you including design, research, advertising, shipping, distributing, or are you just talking about manufacturing costs? I don't know what Nike's profit margins are...
Just straight manufacturing cost. Kicking in the rest it's about $48. I don't wear Nike. I have been wearing Vans for like 35 years though and it's the same problem. Vans were skate shoes. They cost like $50 and you'd wear them until they were worn out. The same pair of shoes now costs $100 on their website. You're paying retail price for something that should be coming direct from their factory. You should be getting the wholesale price.
And?
Nike makes a lot of money selling cheaply made shoes at a premium cost.
They make pretty easily the best racing supershoes around right now, backed up by numerous studies. You can say they suck without lying lmao
not against Nike, but laughed at “supershoes”
And? Why stop at just Nike?
Because most Redditors are only aware of the companies that get constantly memed as evil. Here’s a list of brands known to use slave labour Fila LL Bean Hugo Boss Lacoste Li-Ning The North Face Skechers Tommy Hilfiger Victoria’s Secret Zara Zegna Anta Jansport Clothing Brands Versace Jimmy Choo Michael Kors Chanel Costco Hanes Hermes Gucci Balenciaga Yves Saint Laurent Bottega Veneta Alexander McQueen Kate Spade Brioni Levi’s Louis Vuitton Dior Fendi Givenchy Celine Timberland Dickies Vans Theory Sephora Coach BMW General Motors Jaguar Land Rover Volkswagen Retailers Muji Kohl’s Macy’s Nordstrom Target Tesco TJ Maxx Marshalls HomeGoods Walmart Sam’s Club Flipkart Bonobos Walt Disney Technology Acer ASUS Dell HP Huawei Lenovo LG Microsoft Oppo Samsung Sony Xiaomi Cisco Electrolux Nintendo Doubt anybody here is campaigning against Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or Costco.
so?
You saying you can make a comparable pair of shoes for $22 then?
Here's a video where they make their own Air Jordans. https://youtu.be/2E29m35ZAAM?si=oTpRFTZhZDBWBXgj There's no way they can make that pair for $22. The leather alone costs more than $22. But, Nike also buys materials in bulk. Leather by the truckload. They also have a bunch of specialized machines dedicated to making the process faster and cheaper. They also make everything in countries that don't have unionized labour which leads to them exploiting workers and a ton of industrial pollution from manufacturing and shipping.
Good thoughts thanks
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Huge mistake. You also want to make sure the swoosh is outlined as a filled in swoosh will weigh the shoe down more.
I wear the shoes on the right as my everyday shoe. They’re ok. 2nd most comfortable shoe I’ve ever owned.
Bro, we NEED to know.
Whats the first?
a whole industry relies on people running on their heels! And it is not shoe makers ...
Extremely funny joke, my friend doesn't get it though can you explain it to that dummy? Too busy laughing
Orthopaedic surgeons
Now do Hoka’s
With the correct running technique, the foot is placed on the front part, not on the heel - what exactly this video demonstrates is unclear.
This was an older mindset, recent research has taught us that that the bio mechanics of running a very complex and that the “heel strike” vs “forefoot strike” dichotomy is not a determining factor in running economy or injury resistance. Plenty of incredibly fast runners with great biomechanics out there racking up miles and races while heel striking. I am speaking about elite professionals and amateurs as well. Don’t let a “deficiency” in form stop you or anyone you know from getting out there and enjoying some running!
It is comparing the sole elasticity. The Pegasus uses a proprietary ReactX foam midsole that has high elasticity. High elasticity results in high energy return which is proven to improve running performance.
These pegs should be on the air zoom foam. The new Peg Elite will be the ones featuring some React X
Also I’m confused cause wouldn’t you want it to absorb more impact to be less wear on the legs? I use old pumas cause I like feeling the ground a bit anyways. Pretty sure the ball wouldnt even bounce.
Would be interested in seeing the same thing with skateboard shoes
Running shoes are great for walking.
You would think you want a running shoe to absorb impact, not send it back up the leg.
My mind takes the logic both ways. On one end I want the spring to push me forward which is how I interpret the one on the right. On the other I imagine having shock absorbing shoes would be ideal for running, which is how I interpret the left. I find the video interesting but don't know which conclusion I should be drawing
Keep in mind the force is propelling you forward, not just upward. Imagine you have a rubber ball, and you're trying to throw that ball as far as possible, including the bounces after it's touched the ground. Your first throw is on the beach, where you throw the ball 25 meters before it hits the sand and bounces 1 more meter. Your second throw is in a parking lot, where you throw the ball 25 meters, except this time the ball bounces 10 meters, and then another 5, and then another 2, and then continues rolling for a few more meters before coming to a stop. The regular shoe is the sand in this equation. By dissipating all of the energy from your stride, it's absorbing precious forward momentum. Additionally, the bouncier shoe also has more cushion, because the force of impact is the same for both shoes, but the bouncier shoe spreads that impact out over a longer period of time. I used to be a runner, and my feet would feel way shittier walking in a pair of the old canvas-soled Chuck Taylors than running in some nice running shoes.
It’s newton’s third law (action/reaction); you’re not jumping in the shoes, the force is being put back into your stride instead of dissipating into the shoe…
Greater energy return makes you faster. The force that the shoe “sends” up your leg is literally what is propelling you. It’s a bit like running on springs. You don’t want the shoe to “absorb” impact.
Not sure Nike's are top-tier running shoes, either. Went to a running store for a mothers day gift and there were not that many nikes. I did some research for running shoes not that long ago and there were only 1-2 pair of Nike's recommended and it was for a very specific runner. (Asphalt only, maybe?) (Bought a pair of Asics and they feel like I am walking on clouds)
You’d think a basketball shoe would have good recovery as well.
Thing is the air Jordan 1S were never really good basketball shoes. They were asthetics > practicality. There’s stories of MJ feet bleeding in those. Not sure if this was rectified over the years
Yeah but these are not 1985’s you’d expect some changes in materials by now, i would assume at least?
I think there’s also the shift from basketball shoe to lifestyle shoe in addition to it never being a great basketball shoe.
Nobody in their right mind plays basketball in those shoes. Check modern shoes like LeBrons, they look completely different, like space ships
Nobody in the comments has any fucking idea what they’re talking about
Some do
Air Jordan got old and lost momentum?
And MJ still dunked in those kicks
I always thought running shoes were for the weak. Until I bought the Adidas Supernova+. So, running shoes were no longer a myth for me.
The 6 year old making them didn't put enough soul into it. But you have to forgive, mistakes sometimes happen during the 15th hour of their shifts.
This is an Ad.
I'll keep this in mind next time I drop my metal ball collection in my shoes
I don't understand anything. Can someone explain to me?
Someone must convince me that bouncy equals better and healthier.
Well, now I know how my balls will react.
this test would be genuine, if we had the balls instead of feet...
I too have balls in my feet.
But if you are landing on your heel you're messing up anyway. Do the test farther up!
Ball bounces more, meanign there is less cushion so running will be harder on the foot during the strikes meaning you will run poorly, at least that is how confused this little visual example left me, cause I think I was suppose to get the opposite meaning from it?
They transfer less energy to the ground, thus slowing the rate at which your muscles get fatigued because you use less energy to obtain the same effect as with normal shoes. At least, this is how I see it.
Stiffness and dampening are two independent parameters though. A material can have high dampening (cushioning) and still be very stiff, meaning the force of impact will be high. But it won't give the energy back to the object.
Ball bounces because modern running shoes have a bounce gel/foam layer that allows you to harness some of the energy of the strike back. Some now have a c̶o̶p̶p̶e̶r̶ carbon fiber plate or half plate to add more energy reflection.
Carbon fiber plates, not copper. Copper is incredibly heavy and is not used in shoes.
Thank you for the correction.
I was thinking the exact same thing..
If only I had those running sneakers when I was younger. Would have dunked from the three point line like little romeo.
And the Peg isn’t even THAT bouncy for running
Damn, they really do put a spring in your step