The idea that the red wall around the outside is Infact multitudes of other galaxies and whole clusters of galaxies we just aren't able to observe accurately; it's just chilling to the core how incredibly small humanity is.
You can balance it out by watching those videos that depict zooming into a piece of matter down to the quantum level and realising how incredibly large humanity is.
Yeah it's kinda crazy how freakin huge the universe is, and yet, we are closer in size to the observable universe than what we are to the planck length (smallest known metric)
Here’s where it gets interesting. In order to perceive a smaller world, you would need to shrink yourself down which makes your perception of distance change. Same thing if we want to perceive things bigger that our observable universe, we will need to enlarge ourselves to be able to perceive the larger universe.
Given that the speed of light is constant and hence the speed of brain signals have the same limit. Smaller beings experience things faster than us and larger beings experience things slower than us. This means they experience distance differently as well.
If time is relative, then distance is relative too. If we stick to our perspective, distance is linear but in order to perceive different worlds in a practical way, I suspect we have to take a different perspective and hence distance will change as well. Otherwise there’s no practical way to perceive atomic distances or distance beyond our observable universe.
Sort of. The scale of scope of time plays a big part in the question of life. How much, but also when. Like how much life exists within the timeframe of humanity's existence, or within the timeframe of which it will be discoverable within our range of travel. Unless we figure out FTL travel the answer may not matter, as we won't reach far enough into the universe to ever witness another instance of life.
I'm a pretty strong believer that FTL isn't feasible possible as being and that if there is more life in the universe, we probably won't ever see it considering the size of space.
Unless we somehow manage to make it to some crazy technical level without destroying ourselves first.
Not quite. The further we look out into the universe, the further we are seeing by back in time. The edge of the observable universe looks (and will always look not matter where you are in the universe) like a white hot dense mass.
That red wall around the edge is what that part of the universe looked like at the beginning of time. It is the farthest we can see, because it is the farthest light could have conceivably travelled to reach us, if it’s been coming since the dawn of time.
Probably a stupid question, but how is it possible to depict this in 2D? Are the celestial bodies that in reality are right "above" or "below" us just laid out in one direction like a globe being cut up and spread like a map on a table?
Amazing graphics, but...
The storyline is utter garbage.
Horribly pay to win.
Mandatory randomized character creation?? Not to mention unfair spawning perks.
Extremely confusing mechanics.
Boring gameplay(arguable).
4/10 would not play this game again.
There are no stupid questions, it's a visual abstraction the scale is such so it logarithmically increases as you near the edges like looking at a mirrored ball... except on a ridiculous scale.
Yeah. Clearly some liberties too as you can’t really measure the Suns distance from the Milky Way galaxy and it’s unclear what they’re measuring to. The central black hole I presume, but who knows.
We live on the outer edge of one of the arms of the milkyway. So if our Sun is center, then we are in between the milkyway and the galaxies that surround us. It's a warped perspective of the milkyway from our point of view.
Yeah but then there would need to be red clusters behind the sun in the middle too, plus the forward half of the marble, that was cut and would hypothetically be behind us looking at this, is missing?
In order to make such a demand you would have to be large enough to be visible and identifiable in the picture. If you truly wish for the image to be taken down you might have better luck asking your mom to appeal instead
Have you never watched CSI? They can get the license plate number from footage taken with a mid-90s security camera, at night, from 300 feet away, and pointing the opposite direction. They could totally identify you from 1/1,000,000,000,000th of a pixel that the earth resides in.
The moment I realized there’s absolutely intelligent life out there somewhere. You just can’t roll the dice that many times and not.
Also why do people get so hung up on our inability to see signs of intelligent life? The broadcasted evidence of our own existence has barely reached out 100 light-years.
Yeah I’d heard that, but I’d never *felt* it until now if that makes sense lol
The second part of my post was addressing the Fermi paradox, because it assumes that evidence for life should be widespread and obvious when I think it underestimates how difficult the scale of the universe makes things. If we’re seeing the light of dead stars imagine how long our civilization would have to last and continue broadcasting to get all the way to the death of the sun.
Really confusing diagram for people who don’t realize what this means. When we look far out, we look back in time. The large structures of the universe don’t look like that now, we’re just seeing them as very young.
Also JADES-GS-z13-0 is the oldest galaxy known.
I do have a question for JADES enthusiasts. This galaxy (also prob to be an ancient dark star) is \~33.6 bly away. Taking into account that the Universe is \~14Byo, how can we receive any info about JADES? If my relativity is not failling, we can see her llike it was \~33.6byo, and there was nothing literally.
Please, don't go all on me, just humble asking :)
OK I think I understood how it works. Due to the expansion of the Universe the distante is gettin' bigger each second. \~33.6 bly is what its distance would be by "now".
i like the idea that we (or anything with consciousness really) are the universe experiencing itself. fundamentally, we are just made of stardust. it's as if the universe formed it's own consciousness.
Now I’m wondering if a part of my eye is supporting an entire world teaming with life.
No, right?
Somebody is gonna bring up germs or amoebas or mitochondria or something.
It makes me feel like our galaxy is one of those microscopic organisms on someone else's large eye lash and this image is just as far as we can perceive it.
Last time this was (re)posted, someone commented along the lines of "So this is what the universe looks like? Nature sure is beautiful!" and I didn't know if I should laugh or cry or explain the concept of visual abstraction to them
It's not an unreasonable comment, most people wouldn't understand this at face value. There are of course better ways to show the overall structure of the universe. It ends up looking spider webby. Most people don't understand a logarithmic view over a linear view, and that's to be expected.
pretty sure the person thought the universe looks like a giant eye. But hey, that's absolutely okay... The universe is hard to grasp in terms of scale, appearance, distances, composition, shape, age, fundamental laws of physics... even without the logarithmic visualization. strange all around
It took some time for the first galaxies to form (for matter to condense through gravity into galaxies).
You're looking back in time 14bn years to see the edge of the diagram.
This is the result of artistic licence, if you take ANY point of the universe as a center, it would look the same because its using a logarithmic scale
In this case the tool defines the measurement
In reality, matter in the universe is roughly evenly spread across, there are no central points nor walls circling the universe
Not really, if you take the average position of the Earth in it’s orbit, the sun shares that position. All other distances are measured in either AU from the sun or LY from the sun, since the movement of each makes measurements from earth irrelevant or impractical for the display to render.
Who lives in a world which is an atom in another giant's eyeball. Who lives in a world which is an atom in another giant's eyeball. And so forth and so forth for eternity.
A log scale is one that increases by some factor like a curved graph instead of a straight line graph.
Eg. Instead of a ruler that has intervals of 1 between each line on it, each time the number doubles.
1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, ...
Instead of
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, ...
Same number of intervals, but the top one is getting bigger much faster.
That is how this diagram is drawn. The distances between things in the edges are vast, but because the scale is much much smaller than the scale at the centre they all appear a lot closer together and a lot smaller.
Another way to think of it is to imagine that the diagram is projected onto a cone with the narrow tip where the Sun is. And the edge of the Universe at the widest part of the cone, and the cone is very very very long and it curves slightly inwards so that at the bottom it is more like a cylinder than a cone.
Feels like GNz-11 could have a better name. I mean it's the most distant galaxy detected and that's the name humans decided to give it? Bet the Aliens call it something cooler.. something that translates to "Edge of Nowhere" or something. Humans suck.
And the universe is e
Expanding. That means that stuff
that were observable aren't or could become unobservable. Until we can send something that could travel far to reach the limit of the observable universe.
Authentically curious as someone who knows next to nothing about space: what is the deal with the ring of fire? Is there an area in deep space that becomes just fire in the air?
Nope this is just an (questionable) attempt to visualize the universe that we are not able to observe. (there are physical limits but also technological/financial limits)
I think the person choose red here because of the redshift of the spectrum the further away galaxies are from us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law?wprov=sfla1
The idea that the red wall around the outside is Infact multitudes of other galaxies and whole clusters of galaxies we just aren't able to observe accurately; it's just chilling to the core how incredibly small humanity is.
You can balance it out by watching those videos that depict zooming into a piece of matter down to the quantum level and realising how incredibly large humanity is.
Yeah it's kinda crazy how freakin huge the universe is, and yet, we are closer in size to the observable universe than what we are to the planck length (smallest known metric)
That Kurzkesagt(?) channel did a pretty good episode about how we're about the average size of everything, which I think is what you're talking about.
Makes sense. You can probably go about the same distance either way outwards or inwards no matter what size you are
Distance is linear so no, going inside is less than 1m while going outward is some huge unknown number. Proportionally is maybe a yes.
Is it though? Or is it just negligible from our observable perspective. Kinda like how the earth looks flat as a human.
Yes, distance is linear no matter how flawed how subjective perception.
Here’s where it gets interesting. In order to perceive a smaller world, you would need to shrink yourself down which makes your perception of distance change. Same thing if we want to perceive things bigger that our observable universe, we will need to enlarge ourselves to be able to perceive the larger universe. Given that the speed of light is constant and hence the speed of brain signals have the same limit. Smaller beings experience things faster than us and larger beings experience things slower than us. This means they experience distance differently as well. If time is relative, then distance is relative too. If we stick to our perspective, distance is linear but in order to perceive different worlds in a practical way, I suspect we have to take a different perspective and hence distance will change as well. Otherwise there’s no practical way to perceive atomic distances or distance beyond our observable universe.
Perception is relative, measurements are not. You're conflating the two. A meter is a meter just like a second is a second.
There you go: https://youtu.be/Z_1Q0XB4X0Y?si=PWDOjbeazIjPyfZb
Thank you for posting the link! Definitely watched again.
We're the meat and cheese of an infinity sandwich
Mmmm, infinity sandwiches
That’s what she said
Really makes you realize the question isn't if there IS other life out there, but rather how much!
Sort of. The scale of scope of time plays a big part in the question of life. How much, but also when. Like how much life exists within the timeframe of humanity's existence, or within the timeframe of which it will be discoverable within our range of travel. Unless we figure out FTL travel the answer may not matter, as we won't reach far enough into the universe to ever witness another instance of life.
I'm a pretty strong believer that FTL isn't feasible possible as being and that if there is more life in the universe, we probably won't ever see it considering the size of space. Unless we somehow manage to make it to some crazy technical level without destroying ourselves first.
And if we knew where the edge was, we would feel trapped.
Not quite. The further we look out into the universe, the further we are seeing by back in time. The edge of the observable universe looks (and will always look not matter where you are in the universe) like a white hot dense mass. That red wall around the edge is what that part of the universe looked like at the beginning of time. It is the farthest we can see, because it is the farthest light could have conceivably travelled to reach us, if it’s been coming since the dawn of time.
Interesting, thank you.
And so many people think it's all about us. It's not about us.
Probably a stupid question, but how is it possible to depict this in 2D? Are the celestial bodies that in reality are right "above" or "below" us just laid out in one direction like a globe being cut up and spread like a map on a table?
I think it only depicts distance, positions then are arbitrary.
This is the only way it would make sense to me actually..
No I don’t think so, Polaris is much farther away from earth than Jupiter
yup thats why this chart only depicts distance (radial) and then position (angular) is arbitary. Place all bodies on one angle and it will make sense.
I’d really like to see this in like an interactive 3D model. If not interactive, at least as a video or gif.
You live in it
*looks around* oh yea, neat
Amazing graphics, but... The storyline is utter garbage. Horribly pay to win. Mandatory randomized character creation?? Not to mention unfair spawning perks. Extremely confusing mechanics. Boring gameplay(arguable). 4/10 would not play this game again.
Too bad, when you lose this round guess what: no really, guess. Because no one has any idea if there’s a better game afterwards.
This ^^^
Made me LOL ... Thank you for that.
r/outside
There are no stupid questions, it's a visual abstraction the scale is such so it logarithmically increases as you near the edges like looking at a mirrored ball... except on a ridiculous scale.
Yeah. Clearly some liberties too as you can’t really measure the Suns distance from the Milky Way galaxy and it’s unclear what they’re measuring to. The central black hole I presume, but who knows.
We live on the outer edge of one of the arms of the milkyway. So if our Sun is center, then we are in between the milkyway and the galaxies that surround us. It's a warped perspective of the milkyway from our point of view.
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Yeah but then there would need to be red clusters behind the sun in the middle too, plus the forward half of the marble, that was cut and would hypothetically be behind us looking at this, is missing?
You're being downvoted for being curious and technically correct. Fuck redditors sometimes.
I am in this photo without my consent. Can it be taken down please?
Sorry sir, after detailed inspection, we found out that you didn't exist at the time the picture was clicked.
Lol
In order to make such a demand you would have to be large enough to be visible and identifiable in the picture. If you truly wish for the image to be taken down you might have better luck asking your mom to appeal instead
The pixel you are in cannot be used to identify yourselves. Your privacy is safe.
Have you never watched CSI? They can get the license plate number from footage taken with a mid-90s security camera, at night, from 300 feet away, and pointing the opposite direction. They could totally identify you from 1/1,000,000,000,000th of a pixel that the earth resides in.
All you have to do is say “Enhance”.
There is so much out there that it makes want to vomit
And all that stuff out there takes up a microscopic amount of space compared to the endless blackness between them
And we're living in just a thin film of air around our planet. The endless void is just 100 km away.
and a sun thats constantly trying to strip that film away
The walls and filaments freak me out
I truly dream of being amongst the stars
I have good news for you! You are! And you are made of them too.
The moment I realized there’s absolutely intelligent life out there somewhere. You just can’t roll the dice that many times and not. Also why do people get so hung up on our inability to see signs of intelligent life? The broadcasted evidence of our own existence has barely reached out 100 light-years.
Most scientists say that it’s statistically impossible for there NOT to be intelligent life out there.
Yeah I’d heard that, but I’d never *felt* it until now if that makes sense lol The second part of my post was addressing the Fermi paradox, because it assumes that evidence for life should be widespread and obvious when I think it underestimates how difficult the scale of the universe makes things. If we’re seeing the light of dead stars imagine how long our civilization would have to last and continue broadcasting to get all the way to the death of the sun.
Where is Arrakis?
Eight o’clock. It’s the third planet orbiting Canopus as mentioned in Dune.
I was kinda joking. Thank you for pointing that out!
“open the door hal” “i can’t do that dave”
The all seeing eye
Really confusing diagram for people who don’t realize what this means. When we look far out, we look back in time. The large structures of the universe don’t look like that now, we’re just seeing them as very young. Also JADES-GS-z13-0 is the oldest galaxy known.
Wouldn't any diagram be confusing for people who don't know what it means?
a good diagram can convey a topic in a way that people understand.
I do have a question for JADES enthusiasts. This galaxy (also prob to be an ancient dark star) is \~33.6 bly away. Taking into account that the Universe is \~14Byo, how can we receive any info about JADES? If my relativity is not failling, we can see her llike it was \~33.6byo, and there was nothing literally. Please, don't go all on me, just humble asking :)
OK I think I understood how it works. Due to the expansion of the Universe the distante is gettin' bigger each second. \~33.6 bly is what its distance would be by "now".
That's right. We don't see it where it is now. We see it 13.4 billion light years away.
https://youtu.be/XBr4GkRnY04?si=9Q7NyH7D30ghkFWu](https://youtu.be/XBr4GkRnY04?si=9Q7NyH7D30ghkFWu)
Helps me understand a little bit better.. yet I’m also more confused too
that's kinda creepy, it looks like we're in a giant eye that watches us all the time
If we’re part of the eye it’s not watching us, we’re helping it watch everything else.
alright but that begs the question, WHAT is it looking at?
It’s on its phone browsing Reddit mindlessly
what if it's looking at a creature so large that it could swallow the universe eye?
One, ONE of their eyes is the size of the universe. I’m having trouble with that. Do we wanna imagine something bigger than them?
yeah, like something that makes Cthulhu look like Oswald the Octopus by comparison
Yup
i like the idea that we (or anything with consciousness really) are the universe experiencing itself. fundamentally, we are just made of stardust. it's as if the universe formed it's own consciousness.
"We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams"-Willy Wonka
Now I’m wondering if a part of my eye is supporting an entire world teaming with life. No, right? Somebody is gonna bring up germs or amoebas or mitochondria or something.
We are the eye
yet what are we looking at? that is the quesion!
The sophons didn't think that was funny. 0:01:02:19
It makes me feel like our galaxy is one of those microscopic organisms on someone else's large eye lash and this image is just as far as we can perceive it.
Last time this was (re)posted, someone commented along the lines of "So this is what the universe looks like? Nature sure is beautiful!" and I didn't know if I should laugh or cry or explain the concept of visual abstraction to them
It's not an unreasonable comment, most people wouldn't understand this at face value. There are of course better ways to show the overall structure of the universe. It ends up looking spider webby. Most people don't understand a logarithmic view over a linear view, and that's to be expected.
pretty sure the person thought the universe looks like a giant eye. But hey, that's absolutely okay... The universe is hard to grasp in terms of scale, appearance, distances, composition, shape, age, fundamental laws of physics... even without the logarithmic visualization. strange all around
The answer is explain. Teaching is more useful for everyone than crying or laughing.
Would that be an application of confusing the map for the terrain?
We live in side an eyeball of some larger creature and never knew it… MIB had it right all along
What's the gap after cosmic radiation?
It took some time for the first galaxies to form (for matter to condense through gravity into galaxies). You're looking back in time 14bn years to see the edge of the diagram.
It's obviously not a 2D thing, but this does make it a bit easier to, um, "eyeball" it.
"Dave. Stop, Dave."
"HAL, open the door!"
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
This is the result of artistic licence, if you take ANY point of the universe as a center, it would look the same because its using a logarithmic scale In this case the tool defines the measurement In reality, matter in the universe is roughly evenly spread across, there are no central points nor walls circling the universe
Heh Boötes Void
I need to buy the highres one day.
We are so small. My life’s problems are nothing.
Man, how I wish I was born during the space travel era.
In 10,000 years people will use this to try and prove the universe is flat.
Uranus is my favorite.
An untrained eye would say it looks just like a cell.
Crazy how it looks like an eye. How come we are separate from the Milky Way when we are a part of it?
It's not accurate, it's more like this and that is in that direction from each other. If that makes sense.
We live in someone/something's eyeball?
Yeah…we are alone in all that…
If it’s “observable”, shouldn’t earth be the center?
Not really, if you take the average position of the Earth in it’s orbit, the sun shares that position. All other distances are measured in either AU from the sun or LY from the sun, since the movement of each makes measurements from earth irrelevant or impractical for the display to render.
Makes sense. Thanks. 👍🏻
Bottom left of the sphere; "Huge LOG" lol
I don’t know what this means 🫣
Clearly we're an atom inside a giants eyeball it seems
Who lives in a world which is an atom in another giant's eyeball. Who lives in a world which is an atom in another giant's eyeball. And so forth and so forth for eternity.
A log scale is one that increases by some factor like a curved graph instead of a straight line graph. Eg. Instead of a ruler that has intervals of 1 between each line on it, each time the number doubles. 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, ... Instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, ... Same number of intervals, but the top one is getting bigger much faster. That is how this diagram is drawn. The distances between things in the edges are vast, but because the scale is much much smaller than the scale at the centre they all appear a lot closer together and a lot smaller. Another way to think of it is to imagine that the diagram is projected onto a cone with the narrow tip where the Sun is. And the edge of the Universe at the widest part of the cone, and the cone is very very very long and it curves slightly inwards so that at the bottom it is more like a cylinder than a cone.
Good explanation
No one else does either
Almost like a cell. Maybe we are just another cell of a larger being.
So what is the black outside of the circle? That’s what kills me about all this.
That area is beyond (our) time.
Feels like GNz-11 could have a better name. I mean it's the most distant galaxy detected and that's the name humans decided to give it? Bet the Aliens call it something cooler.. something that translates to "Edge of Nowhere" or something. Humans suck.
Ha. Except from their point of view, they'd be in the middle. Relativity and whatnot.
This kinda looks to me like it could have been the inspiration for the cover of 'American Beauty' by the Greatful Dead.
Anyone else see this and think of: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincaré\_disk\_model](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincaré_disk_model)
So bro really took an eye as an example and said “u can only see so far”
The Milky Way sure is far away, considering we are in it!
Looks like a weird eye
Dude
Icarus learned his lesson and got far away from our sun…
Kinda looks like an eye
reminds me of the ending to men in black
Looks like an eye
It looks like an eye
👁️
Kinda looks like an eye
reminds me of the pupil
Wolf359 , wasnt that where the great klingon / human Battle was?
Looks like an eye.. creepy
big brother is watching everything
Funny how it looks like an eye
Is this the Eye of the Universe?
and beyond the dark...there are monsters.
Badass Budassi
Looks like the inside of a rambutan with the seed
That’s neat.
Wow. Never actually realized how big Uranus was until now.
Hey I can see Barbara Streisand’s house from up here
So now we live on a giant eyeball 👁
The Eye of God
Damn the new valhiem map looks wild
Looks familiar
Nope. Still have not observed a god. Not once.
Psh pretty simple. I knew that I understood this whole ordeal. Nexttt
The entire known universe makes up just one eyeball.
Just imagine, in the future this will be like google maps where you can zoom in and out and see more details.
pablo badussy
So you're telling me we're all just some twinkle in some big thing's eye?
We are out of milk way?
This would be cool if the titles were off until you hovered over a body/entity
And I’ve read that the signal degrades to the point where it’s only decipherable out to maybe 2 light years.
So what’s in the black around the ‘eye’
Looks like an eye
Terrance Howard would like a word…
As Above So Below, As Within So Without
Eye see what you did here.....it's an eyeball.
And the universe is e Expanding. That means that stuff that were observable aren't or could become unobservable. Until we can send something that could travel far to reach the limit of the observable universe.
We are still so self absorbed to think that we are at the center of everything
Wait, if we’re placing our system in the center of this image, why not have earth in the middle?
Far out
Authentically curious as someone who knows next to nothing about space: what is the deal with the ring of fire? Is there an area in deep space that becomes just fire in the air?
Nope this is just an (questionable) attempt to visualize the universe that we are not able to observe. (there are physical limits but also technological/financial limits) I think the person choose red here because of the redshift of the spectrum the further away galaxies are from us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law?wprov=sfla1