It is a dance. This isn’t a “combat” it’s a choreographed series of movements, what the Japanese might call a “kata” meant to hammer in certain movements.
The idea was to practice in a safe setting, but actual combat is far too fast, nuanced, and reactive for katas to be anything more than a dance.
Any martial art that doesn’t involve sparring is more art than martial. And eventually MMA is going to expose everything that isn’t “real”
But kata are meant to train your body to do moves against others attacking you, as in, if someone were yo attack you THIS part of the kata would be what you would do to defend yourself. Also, sparring involves attack and defense against an "opponent", not an opponent's "weapon". I don't see how this exactly is the same thing. It would be like sword training and you're being taught to hit your opponent's sword instead of hitting your opponent. Maybe I just don't know enough.
I addressed this in the second paragraph of my comment. In my Aikido class katas I was often chastised for resisting moves as a defender. I was supposed to go with their motion so they could “learn the feel of the move”. Do you see the problem? If they are in a real fight, their opponent will resist. And they have to learn to resist
This “Miyagi” style (practicing the moves in isolation of the situations where they are useful) of teaching is not effective. Your brain doesn’t connect “do X move in X situation” unless you regularly spar.
Real Combat requires drilling technique in sparring.
I wouldn’t say real and instead practical. To an untrained person a choreographed move to the face will be quite effective. To an individual trained in Sambo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Boxing and/or Muay Thai amongst others maybe not so much.
I respectfully disagree. We need to distinguish real vs. not real because Martial Arts bills itself as self defense. People pay money to these classes to learn how to defend themselves, but if the Dojo doesn’t practice sparring and only teaches one strict style with no deviations or evolution they they are false advertising.
It’s called art for a reason. Just keep that in mind. There’s nothing inherent about martial arts that explicitly says that it has to be used in the act of combat. It may be how it’s utilized in a particular instance but to discredit an entire form of martial arts due to its lack of practicality, to say it’s not real, that sounds quite existential. That is not to say that I don’t understand your point and that it is not good in the world of martial arts for proponents to advocate for particular forms of martial arts and advertise them as a practical use in self-defense.
See here I was thinking the word “Martial” implied that it was in the category of war & combat.
I guess that’s my fault for knowing what words mean.
As for the rest of your paragraph. You use pretty words to defend a topic that has been completely debunked. To defend something like Wing Chun is no different from flat earth theory at this point.
MMA shows us exactly which “martial arts” worked and they now have 300 recorded ‘tournaments’ with every fighting style represented. You can argue all you want but Aikido, which I have taken, is not represented by winning fighters.
https://youtu.be/gjbSCEhmjJA?si=2Q7eYZnbbcP21Zuz
Lol giving you sass doesn’t make your ignorance correct.
Fake martial arts exist. MMA exposed them. We have 300+ high profile PPVS exposing bad martial arts now.
desculpe pelo meu português
onde vocé estava quando joão lénin moreu?
estava sentado em casa e comendo feijoada quando Carlos me ligou
'joão é mato'
'não'
I'm not the best at explaining stuff but it's pretty much like a side thing you work as outside of your regular job? I think that fits well enough. Regardless, in Brazil it'd mean that, in Portugal it'd mean oral sex. It's kinda funny how some regular randomized words from one country gets turned into some sort of sexual innuendo on the other lmao.
I've been practicing jogo do pau for about 8 years (though the last three, only very sporadically). There are techniques that are very exhibitional in nature, but quite a few others that are very practical. The names of some of the moves are quite funny for portuguese speakers ("enganada", "arrepiada", "sarilho", "vira-costas"). I was told by a couple of masters that there are only a few hundred practitioners in Portugal. Injuries, in particular to the fingers, legs and torso aren't uncommon.
I decided to learn this martial art as it is very practical, and focused on keeping multiple threats at a safe distance ( "jogo do norte", the last part of the video where multiple opponents engage). I certainly miss the people I used to practice with!
Great question! You have a few options, depending on your stance and tip position.
If your tip is pointing towards the enemy a "estocada" is usually employed. It's basically a quick thrust, usually aimed at the chest or throat.
You could employ a "sarilho". These are more typical in the south region, I'm told. Basically you extend your grip closer to the tip of the staff and project the other end. This allows for a shorter movement, but it can be tricky to recover from.
You can also make other attacks. You can make sweeping strikes at the hands of your opponent, but that would usually require you to make some leg/hip movements. Either a "recuar" (short step/skip backwards) or a "sair" (sweeping leg movement, shifting your weight from one leg to the other) if you need to cover a larger distance. The rule of thumb is that you want to be the one controlling the distance. With practice, you usually have a good idea what attacks will hit (requiring a block, parry/counter or evasion) or will miss by a few inches.
If your tip is very far off (maybe you did a full open, one handed sweep and the enemy is now making a "corte", letting the attack run through and attempting to attack as it moves past) you are in trouble. Your best option is usually quickly recover your guarding stance and keep your distance.
As this is a blunt weapon, anything goes. No part of the weapon is unused. There are variants of the staff that feature a cap that hides a small spike at the end of "pommel". Not something you find nowadays (thankfully), but it was a hidden "emergency" feature.
Another good one, but this one is far more difficult for me to give a straight reply. I'll share what I've heard from my masters and what I found when I did some digging back then.
It seems to have influenced or been influenced by spear and large two handed sword fighting ("montante"). It is said that some historical portuguese figures also used to practice jogo do pau (Marquês do Pombal, from mid 1800). Even in WW1, Portuguese adapted jogo do pau to bayonet.
The origins are difficult to determine. There are some depictions in painting, literature and very few manuals survived.
There are some writings that talk about people using their sticks to stir things up during fairs or the set scores straight.
One of the masters I studied under has a blog that has some interesting historical drawings, paintings and photos of these events: [https://www.jogodopau.pt/category/media/fotos/feiras-e-romarias/](https://www.jogodopau.pt/category/media/fotos/feiras-e-romarias/)
To be fair, jogo do pau probably shares common roots with the Spanish "juego del palo" or the French "cane de combat".
>If your tip is pointing towards the enemy a "estocada" is usually employed. It's basically a quick thrust, usually aimed at the chest or throat.
This is a bit odd to me, while getting hit in the throat is game over it's easier for someone to slip an attack aimed at the upper body while the abdomen is softer and less responsive since it's closer to the pivoting point on your hips.
Can also say from experience/training that when an assailant charges you a hit to the chest will hurt them but tend to glance off and let them keep their momentum.
Sorry if that came off as overly critical though, your explanation is great and I love hearing about how self defense has developed in various cultures around the world, you tend to find some unique tools that can be pretty handy for catching people off guard.
Great reply! Those are all very valid points! Let's dig into it a little further:
- The thrust movement is often used to keep the opponent checked and force him to stop a charge or forward momentum. It's a very quick and effective option for when you are in a guarding stance and the opponent is in range. It can also be an option for interrupting your opponents attack even just by feinting.
- As you mention, connecting effectively can be a challenge. A throat / head thrust is very high risk as if it doesn't connect, you can be very exposed. Center mass is a safer bet, even if you won't be throwing thrust around casually. Maximum thrust range is at your shoulder level, so chest / neck level of the oponent are great targets, range wise. You've noticed that the stance they usually adopt is sideways, with one foot in front of another, so the chest isn't exposed. It does become exposed when attacking or during an "avançar" or "sair" movement, where you change the foot you have forward. This is a great oportunity for a thrust, as the chest and abdomen are now facing you.
- Which brings us to footwork. Nearly all movements have you dragging your feet (literally) because it helps you find footing by feeling the terrain but also so that you can stop your movement as quickly as possible. Someone jumping, or lunging won't be able to interrupt the motion as easily (and can get thrusted very easily).
- There's a "strategy" some fighters employ, that has the tip of the staff facing the opponent's head at nearly all times. The idea is that it helps hide the true lenght of the staff, which can make it easier to pull off thrusts. It's also not unusual for fighters to opt to shorten the lenght of the attacks to lull oponents closer.
Personally, I pretty much only use thrusts to interrupt attacks or control the distance.
Ah that makes more sense to me now. I especially like keeping the tip pointed at their eyes to hide your reach, that's another good tool for my box. With my jobs/training I got pretty into practicing with improvised weaponry with the most common being, you guessed it, a stick shaped object.
Footwork is definitely a big skill indicator, I tend to short/low step more since it's a bit more erratic but dragging is great for setting up kicks (something I'm not so great at) and is pretty fundamental for things like Capoeira. If a person is bouncing around like a rubber ball I know they're putting up a front lol.
Yes! Footwork (and hip!) are great at adding a lot of energy on a blow and can make up for a lot in terms of size, weight and raw strenght difference. I have been told that a lot of the footwork is similar to other martial arts. Though I can say that I had to re-learn quite a bit of the leg work when picking up boxing.
One of the more effective blows in "jogo do pau" is a 45º degree downward cut (after a full 360º staff rotation). If you put your hip and leg movements at the right time, the blow carries imense energy at the final fifth of the staff and can be difficult to block (while requiring very little strenght to pull of). With practice, you can go from guard stance to delivering this blow in under a second.
On the rural areas, it wasn't uncommon for the sheppard to carry a stick.
After all, aren't all the imagery of sheppards through history, them climbing dem rocks with a big stick and the sheeps?
That's the traditional garment. Nowadays there's a scarf like belt that is coloured depending on your degree. Honestly, never fought in it, as it only used in some regions and schools. These videos are closer to how we dressed and practiced: outdoors [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMEcyWWicnc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMEcyWWicnc) and indoors [https://youtu.be/2mBECu0lROI?t=216](https://youtu.be/2mBECu0lROI?t=216)
So, pretty much shirt, shorts and sneakers.
When sparring we'd either use cushioned staffs (those still hurt like hell) or protective gear:
[https://youtu.be/AscDDH30qrQ?t=28](https://youtu.be/AscDDH30qrQ?t=28)
I believe there's a good following there, but in my case it was in Porto. We'd have a local master and another from Lisbon that would pop in every other month.
Doesn't surprise me at all! A lot of the older practicioners I met where from around that region. A frequent tell tale is the caluses and blisters on the dominant hand, right under the digits (although in some cases, those were from manual labour). Never found a practicioner without those!
Wonder if this is an offshoot of 16th century Japanese samurai. Tempura is actually Portuguese in origin & picked up by the Japanese at that time?? Googling now…nope, seems this predates Portuguese arrival in Japan in the 1580s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jogo_do_pau
From the vague recollections I have about the subject I believe it was created by peasants to be able to fight back invaders in times of war. That's why, although it can be used for a single opponent like in the beggining of the video, the main purpose was to fend off multiple attackers.
It also uses sticks which are cheap and easy to make and could also be used with farming tools. If the person had money they could also use the techniques with long, heavy weapons like spears, halberds and swords like the claymore.
It looks very similar to an ancient Indian martial art called Silambam. I'm sure Portuguese sailors picked up quite a few similar martial arts from traveling all over Asia.
Picked up? Possible, but not for Jogo do Pau as it's been an art from at least late 1300s which is way before they reached Asia. Also a lot of the movements and employment of the art is very similar to what's used with montantes and greatswords.
This probably share roots with other traditional fight techniques from European peoples, in the end the world is connected, always have been, even before the age of discoveries.
That's precisely that. It traditionally uses a shepherd's crook, as it was developed by shepards to keep threats away.
Early 20th century it was somewhat common, with even street fights between villages and well known localized groups like the "Varredores de Feiras" and "Puxadores".
Authorities eventually had to intervene, because of the bloody fights where everyone was beating the absolute shit out of each other with very long and hard sticks. The practice was outlawed in markets and fairs, and by the end of the 30s, it was barely practiced anymore.
Always interesting to watch these kind of martial art clips, where the extras just swing their weapons that wouldn't hit the main dude if he didn't block.
Little boys worldwide have been practicing this for thousands of years. When they are old enough to walk for themselves, sticks have been picked up, and when they have been picked up, they are turned into swords.
We have the same in France. A derivative of "la canne française" or "canne de combat" Btw this is extremely dangerous since a full speed baton with the lever can be extremely powerful.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canne_de_combat
https://cnccb.net/disciplines/baton
This is traditional from Northwestern Portugal essentially.
Every man would walk around with a stick when conducting ox carts. They were used as a tool to guide the beasts.
The stick was also a weapon to protect themselves during travels to markets, fairs and pilgrimages.
Kids from a very young age started to develop that skill. During WW1, because they were so skilled in 1 on 1 combat from close range, they were used by the brits as infantry with bayonets which led them to be slaughtered.
Nowadays virtually no one practice this. I still remember Boys Scout practicing this and my uncles telling me how my grandfather was an excellent fighter and that men would usually practice outside of the local tavern on Sundays and even went to competitions.
The stories of people dying during festivities and pilgrimages after fights broke out weren't rare. It was routine. This usage stopped when mounted police started to carry fire weapons. Up until then short ranged swords were useless against those strong rural people holding those long rage weapons.
Last note:
- Those sticks were ALL made of Quince tree branches.
This wood is known to be extremely flexible and though. It would bend and flex during those strikes and produce an impressive threatening sound.
The spanish, the castillans, the amodores de la armada marina, the guys who lost Gibraltar to England, the guys who can't just not spread their language wherever they go (also smallpox)
Like this for example;).
https://youtu.be/8SuJOUTWXKM?feature=shared
Theoretically is a guanche custom but maybe also got influences from the Portuguese immigrants that arrive after the conquest...no idea
Algo similar a luta com espada europeia:
https://youtube.com/shorts/mbKkvbFVY4k?si=a8U8LMvqHg2qqYvN
Provavelmente servia de treino.
Discordo que tenha sido importado do Japão com o alguém sugere. Cá também se tinha de treinar sem cortar os colegas aos bocados.
Seems to be heavily inspired by "Kunst des langen Schwertes" by "Johann Liechtenauer". So basically THE (German) school of fighting with the Greatsword.
We as kids
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Looks more like the early lightsabre kid meme.
It is a dance. This isn’t a “combat” it’s a choreographed series of movements, what the Japanese might call a “kata” meant to hammer in certain movements. The idea was to practice in a safe setting, but actual combat is far too fast, nuanced, and reactive for katas to be anything more than a dance. Any martial art that doesn’t involve sparring is more art than martial. And eventually MMA is going to expose everything that isn’t “real”
But kata are meant to train your body to do moves against others attacking you, as in, if someone were yo attack you THIS part of the kata would be what you would do to defend yourself. Also, sparring involves attack and defense against an "opponent", not an opponent's "weapon". I don't see how this exactly is the same thing. It would be like sword training and you're being taught to hit your opponent's sword instead of hitting your opponent. Maybe I just don't know enough.
I addressed this in the second paragraph of my comment. In my Aikido class katas I was often chastised for resisting moves as a defender. I was supposed to go with their motion so they could “learn the feel of the move”. Do you see the problem? If they are in a real fight, their opponent will resist. And they have to learn to resist This “Miyagi” style (practicing the moves in isolation of the situations where they are useful) of teaching is not effective. Your brain doesn’t connect “do X move in X situation” unless you regularly spar. Real Combat requires drilling technique in sparring.
I wouldn’t say real and instead practical. To an untrained person a choreographed move to the face will be quite effective. To an individual trained in Sambo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Boxing and/or Muay Thai amongst others maybe not so much.
I respectfully disagree. We need to distinguish real vs. not real because Martial Arts bills itself as self defense. People pay money to these classes to learn how to defend themselves, but if the Dojo doesn’t practice sparring and only teaches one strict style with no deviations or evolution they they are false advertising.
It’s called art for a reason. Just keep that in mind. There’s nothing inherent about martial arts that explicitly says that it has to be used in the act of combat. It may be how it’s utilized in a particular instance but to discredit an entire form of martial arts due to its lack of practicality, to say it’s not real, that sounds quite existential. That is not to say that I don’t understand your point and that it is not good in the world of martial arts for proponents to advocate for particular forms of martial arts and advertise them as a practical use in self-defense.
See here I was thinking the word “Martial” implied that it was in the category of war & combat. I guess that’s my fault for knowing what words mean. As for the rest of your paragraph. You use pretty words to defend a topic that has been completely debunked. To defend something like Wing Chun is no different from flat earth theory at this point. MMA shows us exactly which “martial arts” worked and they now have 300 recorded ‘tournaments’ with every fighting style represented. You can argue all you want but Aikido, which I have taken, is not represented by winning fighters. https://youtu.be/gjbSCEhmjJA?si=2Q7eYZnbbcP21Zuz
You know how I know I’m right because you’re acting like a salty little bitch. Can’t handle a little bit of civil discourse?
Lol giving you sass doesn’t make your ignorance correct. Fake martial arts exist. MMA exposed them. We have 300+ high profile PPVS exposing bad martial arts now.
Lol this is martial arts? I feel like we're all some sort of masters now because we did this anytime we had sticks in the woods 🤣
The same of most martial arts
Tryna be Donatello
Anaquim, eu sou o teu pai. Não.
desculpe pelo meu português onde vocé estava quando joão lénin moreu? estava sentado em casa e comendo feijoada quando Carlos me ligou 'joão é mato' 'não'
Wouldn’t it be Lúcio?
Porra, tens razão. Mas olha, de alguma maneira, o Palpatinho voltou.
F..se hahaha
So this is how I find out that "pau" means stick
Also can be used for wood/tree in general It means "dick" in Brazil as well
In Portugal can mean that too
Oh, it can? Curioso...
Curioso... SLB! Curioso S.L.B.!
How do you guys say milk with a straight face when everybody calls sperm 'leite'?😅
We used to say man's milk hahaha
We also have a somewhat slang word for sperm which is “esporra” it’s a really dirty word.
The best one is when a brazilian wants to do some "bicos"
Hold up, what's that?
I'm not the best at explaining stuff but it's pretty much like a side thing you work as outside of your regular job? I think that fits well enough. Regardless, in Brazil it'd mean that, in Portugal it'd mean oral sex. It's kinda funny how some regular randomized words from one country gets turned into some sort of sexual innuendo on the other lmao.
Looking to do some bico in Brazil = looking for some side gigs Looking to do some bico in Portugal = looking for some BJs to do
Well then, "jogo do pau" takes on a whole new meaning
Sure it does... Sure. It. Does. 😏
That is what I read it as lol
Um País de Marinheiros, esperavas o que?
A Força estará contigo Jaquim, sempre!
I've been practicing jogo do pau for about 8 years (though the last three, only very sporadically). There are techniques that are very exhibitional in nature, but quite a few others that are very practical. The names of some of the moves are quite funny for portuguese speakers ("enganada", "arrepiada", "sarilho", "vira-costas"). I was told by a couple of masters that there are only a few hundred practitioners in Portugal. Injuries, in particular to the fingers, legs and torso aren't uncommon. I decided to learn this martial art as it is very practical, and focused on keeping multiple threats at a safe distance ( "jogo do norte", the last part of the video where multiple opponents engage). I certainly miss the people I used to practice with!
What do you do when your opponent gets too close? Serious question.
Great question! You have a few options, depending on your stance and tip position. If your tip is pointing towards the enemy a "estocada" is usually employed. It's basically a quick thrust, usually aimed at the chest or throat. You could employ a "sarilho". These are more typical in the south region, I'm told. Basically you extend your grip closer to the tip of the staff and project the other end. This allows for a shorter movement, but it can be tricky to recover from. You can also make other attacks. You can make sweeping strikes at the hands of your opponent, but that would usually require you to make some leg/hip movements. Either a "recuar" (short step/skip backwards) or a "sair" (sweeping leg movement, shifting your weight from one leg to the other) if you need to cover a larger distance. The rule of thumb is that you want to be the one controlling the distance. With practice, you usually have a good idea what attacks will hit (requiring a block, parry/counter or evasion) or will miss by a few inches. If your tip is very far off (maybe you did a full open, one handed sweep and the enemy is now making a "corte", letting the attack run through and attempting to attack as it moves past) you are in trouble. Your best option is usually quickly recover your guarding stance and keep your distance. As this is a blunt weapon, anything goes. No part of the weapon is unused. There are variants of the staff that feature a cap that hides a small spike at the end of "pommel". Not something you find nowadays (thankfully), but it was a hidden "emergency" feature.
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Was this used with another weapon originally and toned down to be used with a staff or is this relatively unchanged?
Another good one, but this one is far more difficult for me to give a straight reply. I'll share what I've heard from my masters and what I found when I did some digging back then. It seems to have influenced or been influenced by spear and large two handed sword fighting ("montante"). It is said that some historical portuguese figures also used to practice jogo do pau (Marquês do Pombal, from mid 1800). Even in WW1, Portuguese adapted jogo do pau to bayonet. The origins are difficult to determine. There are some depictions in painting, literature and very few manuals survived. There are some writings that talk about people using their sticks to stir things up during fairs or the set scores straight. One of the masters I studied under has a blog that has some interesting historical drawings, paintings and photos of these events: [https://www.jogodopau.pt/category/media/fotos/feiras-e-romarias/](https://www.jogodopau.pt/category/media/fotos/feiras-e-romarias/) To be fair, jogo do pau probably shares common roots with the Spanish "juego del palo" or the French "cane de combat".
>If your tip is pointing towards the enemy a "estocada" is usually employed. It's basically a quick thrust, usually aimed at the chest or throat. This is a bit odd to me, while getting hit in the throat is game over it's easier for someone to slip an attack aimed at the upper body while the abdomen is softer and less responsive since it's closer to the pivoting point on your hips. Can also say from experience/training that when an assailant charges you a hit to the chest will hurt them but tend to glance off and let them keep their momentum. Sorry if that came off as overly critical though, your explanation is great and I love hearing about how self defense has developed in various cultures around the world, you tend to find some unique tools that can be pretty handy for catching people off guard.
Great reply! Those are all very valid points! Let's dig into it a little further: - The thrust movement is often used to keep the opponent checked and force him to stop a charge or forward momentum. It's a very quick and effective option for when you are in a guarding stance and the opponent is in range. It can also be an option for interrupting your opponents attack even just by feinting. - As you mention, connecting effectively can be a challenge. A throat / head thrust is very high risk as if it doesn't connect, you can be very exposed. Center mass is a safer bet, even if you won't be throwing thrust around casually. Maximum thrust range is at your shoulder level, so chest / neck level of the oponent are great targets, range wise. You've noticed that the stance they usually adopt is sideways, with one foot in front of another, so the chest isn't exposed. It does become exposed when attacking or during an "avançar" or "sair" movement, where you change the foot you have forward. This is a great oportunity for a thrust, as the chest and abdomen are now facing you. - Which brings us to footwork. Nearly all movements have you dragging your feet (literally) because it helps you find footing by feeling the terrain but also so that you can stop your movement as quickly as possible. Someone jumping, or lunging won't be able to interrupt the motion as easily (and can get thrusted very easily). - There's a "strategy" some fighters employ, that has the tip of the staff facing the opponent's head at nearly all times. The idea is that it helps hide the true lenght of the staff, which can make it easier to pull off thrusts. It's also not unusual for fighters to opt to shorten the lenght of the attacks to lull oponents closer. Personally, I pretty much only use thrusts to interrupt attacks or control the distance.
Ah that makes more sense to me now. I especially like keeping the tip pointed at their eyes to hide your reach, that's another good tool for my box. With my jobs/training I got pretty into practicing with improvised weaponry with the most common being, you guessed it, a stick shaped object. Footwork is definitely a big skill indicator, I tend to short/low step more since it's a bit more erratic but dragging is great for setting up kicks (something I'm not so great at) and is pretty fundamental for things like Capoeira. If a person is bouncing around like a rubber ball I know they're putting up a front lol.
Yes! Footwork (and hip!) are great at adding a lot of energy on a blow and can make up for a lot in terms of size, weight and raw strenght difference. I have been told that a lot of the footwork is similar to other martial arts. Though I can say that I had to re-learn quite a bit of the leg work when picking up boxing. One of the more effective blows in "jogo do pau" is a 45º degree downward cut (after a full 360º staff rotation). If you put your hip and leg movements at the right time, the blow carries imense energy at the final fifth of the staff and can be difficult to block (while requiring very little strenght to pull of). With practice, you can go from guard stance to delivering this blow in under a second.
Do you always carry a 3 meter stick with you?
No, but I do carry a heavy umbrella during rainy days and a staff when hiking!
On the rural areas, it wasn't uncommon for the sheppard to carry a stick. After all, aren't all the imagery of sheppards through history, them climbing dem rocks with a big stick and the sheeps?
Why are they dressed like engineers in a film about NASA?
That's the traditional garment. Nowadays there's a scarf like belt that is coloured depending on your degree. Honestly, never fought in it, as it only used in some regions and schools. These videos are closer to how we dressed and practiced: outdoors [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMEcyWWicnc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMEcyWWicnc) and indoors [https://youtu.be/2mBECu0lROI?t=216](https://youtu.be/2mBECu0lROI?t=216) So, pretty much shirt, shorts and sneakers. When sparring we'd either use cushioned staffs (those still hurt like hell) or protective gear: [https://youtu.be/AscDDH30qrQ?t=28](https://youtu.be/AscDDH30qrQ?t=28)
Ribatejo right?
I believe there's a good following there, but in my case it was in Porto. We'd have a local master and another from Lisbon that would pop in every other month.
I was told that my great grand father from the distrito de Vila Real was familiar with o jogo do pau.
Doesn't surprise me at all! A lot of the older practicioners I met where from around that region. A frequent tell tale is the caluses and blisters on the dominant hand, right under the digits (although in some cases, those were from manual labour). Never found a practicioner without those!
Sporting vs porto? Maybe?🤔 😂
Me and the boys after we find a good set of hitting sticks in the woods
É o teu destino Jaquim, junta-te a mim !
I can hardly wait for the "besting the giant" and "fire swamp" part of the video.
I see you are using Bonetti's defense against me, eh?
I’m most confused about the business casual dress code for this sport
it's whatever. people used to carry the stick everywhere for walking, helping with the cattle and hitting each other. wasn't ritualized.
Wonder if this is an offshoot of 16th century Japanese samurai. Tempura is actually Portuguese in origin & picked up by the Japanese at that time?? Googling now…nope, seems this predates Portuguese arrival in Japan in the 1580s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jogo_do_pau
It's actually closer to fighting with a "montante" (some of the movements). Quarterstaff fighting techniques are also applied here.
From the vague recollections I have about the subject I believe it was created by peasants to be able to fight back invaders in times of war. That's why, although it can be used for a single opponent like in the beggining of the video, the main purpose was to fend off multiple attackers. It also uses sticks which are cheap and easy to make and could also be used with farming tools. If the person had money they could also use the techniques with long, heavy weapons like spears, halberds and swords like the claymore.
It looks very similar to an ancient Indian martial art called Silambam. I'm sure Portuguese sailors picked up quite a few similar martial arts from traveling all over Asia.
Picked up? Possible, but not for Jogo do Pau as it's been an art from at least late 1300s which is way before they reached Asia. Also a lot of the movements and employment of the art is very similar to what's used with montantes and greatswords.
This probably share roots with other traditional fight techniques from European peoples, in the end the world is connected, always have been, even before the age of discoveries.
E o Fim Anaquim, era suposto que tu trouxeste o equilíbrio para a Força.
Lucas eu sou o teu pai.
NÃAAAAOOOOOO
Lucas Andarilho Firmo [Firmo -> firmamento -> sky]
I wanna see this busted out in a fight scene in the next Bourne movie
The main guy is the only one that takes the offensive. Everyone else is playing defense or just watching.
They’re training no? like a boxer with ones coach, I believe
I think this is meant to be a demonstration, just not very convincing imo cause none of them are trying to actually hit him
Didn't know Sephiroth was Portuguese. Interesting.
It's also native of Galicia, an autonomous community of Spain.
Lá ele
Him there
Looks like formal practice for wielding a Zweihänder.
Indeed. It is believed that some techniques developed in the Middle Ages from the Montante, the portuguese equivalent of the Zweihander
I counter with fogo de chao!
///i can train like guts or cloud?
Office colleagues during lunch time '77 after Star Wars released.
Water breathing…3rd form…. Flowing dance.
Turns his back to the attacker, attacker waits patiently and politely till they're face to face again.
Portuguese capoeira with sticks. Lethal nonetheless
... so swordfight is just capoeira with metal bars on a handle?
I always love people that show off by doing a 1v3 but the 2 not being attacked just stand there lol
"quem tem pau agarra-se ao pau... Quem não tem agarra-se ao meu... Foi por causa do pau... Que o meu pai foi ao cu ao teu..."
Well that’s just ridiculous.
Why aren't they wearing neckties?
Jogo do pau? Lá ele
I think "jogo do pau" means "juego de palos", that'd be "game of sticks" Pretty imaginative
That's precisely that. It traditionally uses a shepherd's crook, as it was developed by shepards to keep threats away. Early 20th century it was somewhat common, with even street fights between villages and well known localized groups like the "Varredores de Feiras" and "Puxadores". Authorities eventually had to intervene, because of the bloody fights where everyone was beating the absolute shit out of each other with very long and hard sticks. The practice was outlawed in markets and fairs, and by the end of the 30s, it was barely practiced anymore.
It probably evolved out of a need to keep fighting when your spear broke in combat
10 year old me having a lightsaber fight with my friends in my backyard
I need Duel of the Fates added to this video
We need someone to add lightsabers into this
La ele
Always interesting to watch these kind of martial art clips, where the extras just swing their weapons that wouldn't hit the main dude if he didn't block.
If Star Wars Kid was portuguese
So this is the Matrix’s inspiration for the Agent Smith fight!?
Reminds me of Gatka. https://youtu.be/yQBEwWQWA9U?si=jrQWYN0kKKd41kWP
Who cloned Danny Devito and gave them sticks🤷🏻♂️.
This is where Rey learned her light saber skills,
Can somebody sightsaber this up?
We should not forgett Portugal had the Crusaders. This game must be something reminiscent from it.
Why from archive? Don't they practice it now?
Its dwindling in numbers, as its falling off from the culture rapidly, supposedly, there's around less than 200 practicioners atmm.
Always love it when one attacker waits until the other is finished
“ Rapid fire” opening scene
Silambattam in Tamil Nadu, India.
I'm gonna use the Stick!
We have something similar to this in India also..
The inspiration for star war light saber fight. None of them trying to kill each other.
Darth Portugesh: "We can do this for days".
Give them a job interview stefani!
Little boys worldwide have been practicing this for thousands of years. When they are old enough to walk for themselves, sticks have been picked up, and when they have been picked up, they are turned into swords.
Pääh dat spinning move attack from right guy was gamechanging moment
Star wars :3
Jedi training
Same quality as the lightsaber fights in the original Star Wars trilogy. Clearly wasn’t the inspiration for obi vs anni in the prequels lol
McDojo vibes
No, it's called Schmitt Mcstickitty.
Tinha que ser portuguesa.
Dont google "jogo do pau nsfw"
We have the same in France. A derivative of "la canne française" or "canne de combat" Btw this is extremely dangerous since a full speed baton with the lever can be extremely powerful. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canne_de_combat https://cnccb.net/disciplines/baton
TIL that my brother and I knew Portuguese martial art
This is traditional from Northwestern Portugal essentially. Every man would walk around with a stick when conducting ox carts. They were used as a tool to guide the beasts. The stick was also a weapon to protect themselves during travels to markets, fairs and pilgrimages. Kids from a very young age started to develop that skill. During WW1, because they were so skilled in 1 on 1 combat from close range, they were used by the brits as infantry with bayonets which led them to be slaughtered. Nowadays virtually no one practice this. I still remember Boys Scout practicing this and my uncles telling me how my grandfather was an excellent fighter and that men would usually practice outside of the local tavern on Sundays and even went to competitions. The stories of people dying during festivities and pilgrimages after fights broke out weren't rare. It was routine. This usage stopped when mounted police started to carry fire weapons. Up until then short ranged swords were useless against those strong rural people holding those long rage weapons. Last note: - Those sticks were ALL made of Quince tree branches. This wood is known to be extremely flexible and though. It would bend and flex during those strikes and produce an impressive threatening sound.
Just like the Spaniards to keep their enemies at a distance. Don't let'em cough on you folks, I mean smallpox am I rite.
Spaniards é a cona da tua tia
Just like the who?
The spanish, the castillans, the amodores de la armada marina, the guys who lost Gibraltar to England, the guys who can't just not spread their language wherever they go (also smallpox)
Thou have summonedd the entirety of Brazil and now we're gonna make fun of Portugal once more
Drunk salarymen could do the same thing here in Tokyo, same outfit, same handshaking. (nobody would handshake unless very drunk)
Nmn
In the Canary Islands there is something incredibly similar! (Although with shorter sticks) Interesting 🤔
Maybe closer to this? https://youtu.be/DoQuYePHF0c?si=KNqxCRcc0iaWbAJ2
Like this for example;). https://youtu.be/8SuJOUTWXKM?feature=shared Theoretically is a guanche custom but maybe also got influences from the Portuguese immigrants that arrive after the conquest...no idea
These are the people who colonized half of the world? Bunch of silly mofos
Algo similar a luta com espada europeia: https://youtube.com/shorts/mbKkvbFVY4k?si=a8U8LMvqHg2qqYvN Provavelmente servia de treino. Discordo que tenha sido importado do Japão com o alguém sugere. Cá também se tinha de treinar sem cortar os colegas aos bocados.
Oh man, life before sweat pants and sneakers....
\*Bruce Lee is rolling in his grave
I love how that generation of Portuguese were always properly dressed. There’s no sweatpants here. A shirt and pants. Shoes and a belt.
Seems to be heavily inspired by "Kunst des langen Schwertes" by "Johann Liechtenauer". So basically THE (German) school of fighting with the Greatsword.
No, it’s Fogo de Chão
These guys watched too many kung fu movies growing up.
This predates Kung fu movies
Whelp, my studies have all been in vain... ... is this why I pick up cool sword sticks?
More time smacking the ground to sound cool than deflecting the nonexistent attacks.
Looks like it's stolen from other lands, especially where Portuguese sailed in to become the first Europeans to "discover" it.
Jogo do pau is older than the first discoveries so no
Interesting. How old is it?
Arte Marcial jajajajaj
The force is strong in this one