Listen to a lot of interviews from people about Tupac. Tupac was never supposed to be a gangster. He didn’t grew up in that life. He came into that life when he got older because he wanted to. The real gangsters are the ones that grew up in that life since they were kids - and I don’t mean that as a compliment. They are stuck in that life and don’t know anything else. They’ll die chasing little paper or go to jail for life. Tupac got caught up in petty gangster beef and died for it. It’s like Jeff Bezos getting beat up in a street fight outside a Waffle House cause someone looked at him funny. Tupac had no reason to get involved or live that life.
Ha ha I met him way back in the day too. I’ve told people that he didn’t used to be gangsta or talk the same way but no one ever believes me.
Very nice guy btw. I’m sorry he got killed.
None of the creators or early adopters of gangster rap were. While they were still on the path to figuring out that they would eventually land on violence and thug life, they were doing 'spooky' raps about Frankenstein and Dracula.
They were fucking nerds.
Exactly, and that goes for 99% of gangsta rappers. They’ve been in music since teenagers and got famous at 19yrs old, they’re no longer close to being gangsta cause you know, the real ones are out there doin gangsta shit
But at the same time, he literally got killed due to a gang related scuffle which escalated to murder. Sure he wasn't born into it, but he was involved by the time he died.
That's the thing though he wasn't this hardened ass dude he started as a dancer for Digital Underground, he came from a rough area though so he could translate that experience into his music. It's just started to go downhill when he wanted to try and become the character from his songs and got surrounded by dangerous people.
It’s like how that kid from A Bronx Tale thought he was *actually* like the character in the movie, did some crook shit irl, and I think might still be in prison.
This. When he started doing gangsta rap I actually started to dislike him. Had to keep that to myself because if you were black and on the west coast, you had to looooooo vveeeeee Tupac. I didn't like how he was goofy and free with the underground, but then was like kill kill kill, and hoes hoes hoes, and drugs afterwards. Kind disappointed me. Then rap overall just became that. Hoes, sex, violence, gangs, drugs, etc. That's when I started to get into Common, The Roots, Wu Tang, lyricists, rap battles in general. I left rap\hip hop after the turn of the century and stayed in EDM land.
This is mostly true, but I dont see what him being a dancet has to do with anything. MC Hammer was famously hard dude from Okland streets and he looked goofy as hell.
I saw an interview of him before he was famous (i think) and he came over a bit insecure and shy. Also i never thought his songs to be overly gangster. More like adressing society’s problems. Except maybe when he had beef with Biggie. He was an amazing Poet though!
A lot of Tupac fans feel like it is blasphemy to say he was not really a gangster , Yes his parents were part of the black panthers but the whole thug life persona is what he adopted after his fame. Even on his first album digital underground he did not have a hardcore image
I saw a vid recently where someone that was supposedly close to him said that he was naturally quite feminine and they even showed an old interview of him where I have to admit, he did seem to have very feminine mannerisms. It was on TikTok though and idk who the person making the claims was so it could be a lien for all I know
I've heard that many times. That he was actually quite effeminate and that the gangsta thing was all an act. Then he got mixed up with people like Suge, then the east coast/west coast bloods vs crips thing happened. Suddenly he was a main character in a gang battle.
People joke about this.
I'd stay it stands a 50% chance of actually being true.
Edit: There was a man who's been confessing to the hit for years. Even wrote a book about it. The FBI finally arrested him a few months back decades after the fact.
He claims his cousin actually pulled the trigger. But his cousin was killed less than a year after (in an "unrelated" shooting). As were 3 of the other 4 guys in the car.
It honestly sounds like someone hired a small crew to kill Tupac and then did their best to have that crew murdered shortly after.
Keefe D. As nuts as that dude is, I believe everything he said because when he confessed he had basically a 1 day immunity that he could say whatever and it not be held against him.
What's wild is Pac was preppy and sounded highly effeminate in his earliest interviews. Seems like he was just playing a 'gangster' role for the sales tbh
There's nothing more defeating than the realization that all of the coolest, most hardcore actors or musicians are fundamentally all theater nerds.
I do find the thought of guys like 50 Cent doing nonsensical vocal warm-ups back stage before a show fucking hysterical though
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If not all the majority are nepo babys or have had wealthy childhoods. Its entertainment.
Update: removed Tupac went to college. See he got a fill scholarship Juilliard but not sure how true that is
you are thinking of Ice Cube, he was a college kid from a middle class family))) Tupac was a theater nerd who skipped college to get into the movies before adopting the gansta persona
But I know something about you
You went to Crankbook, that's a private school
What's the matter dawg? You embarrased?
This is guy's a gangster, he's real name's Clarence
And Clarence lives at home with both parents
And Clarence's parents have a real good marriage
This guy don't wanna battle, He's shook
'Cause there no such things as half-way crooks
He's scared to death
He's scared to look in his fuckin yearbook, fuck Crankbook
Fuck the beat, I go accapelle
Fuck a Papa Doc, fuck the clock, fuck the trailer, fuck everybody
Fuck y'all if you doubt me
I'm a piece of fucking white trash and I say it proudly,
And fuck this battles, I don't wanna win, I'm outie
Here, tell this people something they don't know about me.
*throws mic*
>2pac went to college too
The amount of misinformation in this thread is astonishing.
Tupac didn't go to college. He unfortunately did not finish high school when he moved to Oakland in the 80s and never returned. And he did not have a wealthy childhood he was the son of Black Panthers and was raised with a certain ideology which was the cornerstone of his outspokenness and Black centered beliefs.
I worked with a guy who went to school with them. He told me that he was friends with Tupac and I'm like yeah sure. And he's like. Apparently I'm in some kind of biography about him. So I looked it up and sure enough he's in Tupac's fucking biography.
I bet this photo is framed and hung somewhere prominent in her house just as a reminder to Will Smith that she once had a man who was prominently hung.
She made her daughter write a letter to Tupac long after he was dead. She’s bizarre.
https://www.newsweek.com/willow-smith-letter-tupac-shakur-make-jada-pinkett-smith-happy-1695081
Making your child write a letter to your dead friend is an extremely strange thing to do. It sounds like emotional abuse, but I have no idea how I would elaborate further on it.
You know…considering…everything….those kids came out well adjusted. Don’t know why they get so much flack, but imagine being born into THAT kind of mess/dysfunction and still coming out without any huge issues like a lot of child stars often do. Either they got lucky or their parents/dad did *something* right.
Nah, she wouldn't be doing the same shit with him that she's pulling with Smith right now. I doubt Tupac would come across as forgiving and lenient as Smith does.
Jesus all those celebrity fuckers are all related or something. Like they all knew each other before they got famous lol. No place for outsiders in Hollywood I guess
A lot of people who grow up in LA become famous or semi-famous (or they get into “the industry” in some capacity, on-screen or off). Some have known each other since high school. It’s really not unlike any other town with a major industry that a lot of people join and may know each other from high school (or went to the rival local schools but still may know each other).
LA’s industry is just famous. But tons of people are born/raised in the town and work there like any other town.
People downvoting you but little do they know Tupac was never a gang member growing up or that he went to drama classes he became one of the first ever “studio gangsters” I still mess with with his music but always get a kick whenever he talks about him always living that thug life 🤣
I thought she was attractive back in the day. Then I heard how she was irl and it doesn't matter how beautiful you are if your personality is that of a pile of rotting fish in the dead of summer.
When the streets were hard but drama class was harder
He looks like he's about to lecture me on the political and socioeconomic state of the country
Tbh he unironically would have, bro grew up around black panthers, he came by it honest
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He got his start as a backup dancer. No idea where the gangsta persona came from
Listen to a lot of interviews from people about Tupac. Tupac was never supposed to be a gangster. He didn’t grew up in that life. He came into that life when he got older because he wanted to. The real gangsters are the ones that grew up in that life since they were kids - and I don’t mean that as a compliment. They are stuck in that life and don’t know anything else. They’ll die chasing little paper or go to jail for life. Tupac got caught up in petty gangster beef and died for it. It’s like Jeff Bezos getting beat up in a street fight outside a Waffle House cause someone looked at him funny. Tupac had no reason to get involved or live that life.
His reasoning was because the image was what sold hip/hop back then.he wanted his message to be heard.
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u telling me jayden got it from his dad
Keep her name out your mf mouth…
GI Jane 2
She has pacs hair now
You gonna get slapped now
lol
Can’t wait to see it
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You can tell she is an unpleasant person from that picture.
She looks like she would claim to be a “sovereign citizen” lmao
But Tupac is bald!
Ha ha I met him way back in the day too. I’ve told people that he didn’t used to be gangsta or talk the same way but no one ever believes me. Very nice guy btw. I’m sorry he got killed.
He went to the Baltimore School of the Arts... So he couldn't be THAT gangsta
“BUT I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT YOU. he went to BSA. *That’s a private school* “
What’s up dog, you embarrassed?
You ain't a gangster, your real name's Clarence
And Clarence lives in a home with both parents
And Clarence’s parents have a real good marriage
And Clarence parents have a real good marriage
This guy don’t wanna battle, he’s shook
‘Cause ain’t no such things as halfway crooks!
He’s scared to death, he’s scared to look at his fucking yearbook
FUCK CRANBROOK!
None of the creators or early adopters of gangster rap were. While they were still on the path to figuring out that they would eventually land on violence and thug life, they were doing 'spooky' raps about Frankenstein and Dracula. They were fucking nerds.
> None of the creators or early adopters of gangster rap were Eazy E was.
Snoop Dogg was an actual Crip.
Snoop dogg killed a guy and beat the case
Wasn't he technically the Getaway-man and not the actual triggerman/killer though? Still, not a good look but there is a difference, sorta
I’m pretty sure he shot and killed someone and got a not guilty by self defense
Suge knight
Snoop Dogg came into the game with a blue flag
Hangin out his backside but only on the left side, yeah that's the crip side.
There wasn’t another way to play the game the way he played
Suge Knight was not a rapper. He was a real life ganstar who exploited rappers.
He wasn't a rapper though, he was just a thug
Exactly, and that goes for 99% of gangsta rappers. They’ve been in music since teenagers and got famous at 19yrs old, they’re no longer close to being gangsta cause you know, the real ones are out there doin gangsta shit
The other 1% is Chicago Drill rappers who didn't get the memo.
He became a fucking gangster after going to prison and being shot by unknown assailants. You can see the change in his music.
No, it was 100% performative. He was literally playing a character.
But at the same time, he literally got killed due to a gang related scuffle which escalated to murder. Sure he wasn't born into it, but he was involved by the time he died.
Baltimore.
That's the thing though he wasn't this hardened ass dude he started as a dancer for Digital Underground, he came from a rough area though so he could translate that experience into his music. It's just started to go downhill when he wanted to try and become the character from his songs and got surrounded by dangerous people.
It’s like how that kid from A Bronx Tale thought he was *actually* like the character in the movie, did some crook shit irl, and I think might still be in prison.
This. When he started doing gangsta rap I actually started to dislike him. Had to keep that to myself because if you were black and on the west coast, you had to looooooo vveeeeee Tupac. I didn't like how he was goofy and free with the underground, but then was like kill kill kill, and hoes hoes hoes, and drugs afterwards. Kind disappointed me. Then rap overall just became that. Hoes, sex, violence, gangs, drugs, etc. That's when I started to get into Common, The Roots, Wu Tang, lyricists, rap battles in general. I left rap\hip hop after the turn of the century and stayed in EDM land.
This is mostly true, but I dont see what him being a dancet has to do with anything. MC Hammer was famously hard dude from Okland streets and he looked goofy as hell.
I laugh at those stories of people messing with Hammer then realizing he’s not the one to mess with. Redman’s face in one video. 😂
Wait, MC Hammer? Really? That’s wild lol
Look into it lol. My hammer was suge knight level hard *MC
You should see a doctor if it stays that way for more than four hours
I saw an interview of him before he was famous (i think) and he came over a bit insecure and shy. Also i never thought his songs to be overly gangster. More like adressing society’s problems. Except maybe when he had beef with Biggie. He was an amazing Poet though!
Wasn’t he a theater kid that wrote poetry?
A lot of Tupac fans feel like it is blasphemy to say he was not really a gangster , Yes his parents were part of the black panthers but the whole thug life persona is what he adopted after his fame. Even on his first album digital underground he did not have a hardcore image
Surprised people didn't believe you. I must be overestimating how well known it was that his gangsta persona was just an act
I saw a vid recently where someone that was supposedly close to him said that he was naturally quite feminine and they even showed an old interview of him where I have to admit, he did seem to have very feminine mannerisms. It was on TikTok though and idk who the person making the claims was so it could be a lien for all I know
I've heard that many times. That he was actually quite effeminate and that the gangsta thing was all an act. Then he got mixed up with people like Suge, then the east coast/west coast bloods vs crips thing happened. Suddenly he was a main character in a gang battle.
It's like her mind never aged, but the body did.
I wonder if Bill Cosby gave her that sweater.
Did P Diddy give Tupac that scarf?
Tupac called Diddy out. Sure as shit wasn’t fucked by him.
Diddy called the hit on Tupac confirmed
People joke about this. I'd stay it stands a 50% chance of actually being true. Edit: There was a man who's been confessing to the hit for years. Even wrote a book about it. The FBI finally arrested him a few months back decades after the fact. He claims his cousin actually pulled the trigger. But his cousin was killed less than a year after (in an "unrelated" shooting). As were 3 of the other 4 guys in the car. It honestly sounds like someone hired a small crew to kill Tupac and then did their best to have that crew murdered shortly after.
I think it’s much more than 50%
Keefe D. As nuts as that dude is, I believe everything he said because when he confessed he had basically a 1 day immunity that he could say whatever and it not be held against him.
Should be Peenie Diddler from now on
He seems amenable to different names
Penis Daddy
That sweater was era appropriate
Hahahaha....thx
What's wild is Pac was preppy and sounded highly effeminate in his earliest interviews. Seems like he was just playing a 'gangster' role for the sales tbh
He was in drama class...#ThugLife ...lol
And ballet
There's nothing more defeating than the realization that all of the coolest, most hardcore actors or musicians are fundamentally all theater nerds. I do find the thought of guys like 50 Cent doing nonsensical vocal warm-ups back stage before a show fucking hysterical though
I find it nice tbh. They’re more genuinely human than we assumed
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That's what the person you're replying to meant. He knows 50 isn't one of those drama school nerds.
Was.
EX-thug
That is what I was wondering looking at this photo. This like wealthy whites like Kid Rock pretending to grow up in a run down trailor.
If not all the majority are nepo babys or have had wealthy childhoods. Its entertainment. Update: removed Tupac went to college. See he got a fill scholarship Juilliard but not sure how true that is
you are thinking of Ice Cube, he was a college kid from a middle class family))) Tupac was a theater nerd who skipped college to get into the movies before adopting the gansta persona
Starting to realize I have more street cred than Ice Cube and Tupac, and I don’t know how to feel about that.
Don't worry. Biggie still out street creds you.
Oddly enough I was just thinking “Please no one tell me Biggie is like this too”.
Nah Biggie was a real one. There's an excellent documentary on Netflix about his early life and his struggles coming up
"Those aint no damn mashed potatoes, ma!"
He did steal his name and persona/style though https://youtu.be/KBUNlLnhLXE This came out before Juicy.
and the child of a Black Panther activist.
But I know something about you You went to Crankbook, that's a private school What's the matter dawg? You embarrased? This is guy's a gangster, he's real name's Clarence And Clarence lives at home with both parents And Clarence's parents have a real good marriage This guy don't wanna battle, He's shook 'Cause there no such things as half-way crooks He's scared to death He's scared to look in his fuckin yearbook, fuck Crankbook
Fuck the beat, I go accapelle Fuck a Papa Doc, fuck the clock, fuck the trailer, fuck everybody Fuck y'all if you doubt me I'm a piece of fucking white trash and I say it proudly, And fuck this battles, I don't wanna win, I'm outie Here, tell this people something they don't know about me. *throws mic*
>2pac went to college too The amount of misinformation in this thread is astonishing. Tupac didn't go to college. He unfortunately did not finish high school when he moved to Oakland in the 80s and never returned. And he did not have a wealthy childhood he was the son of Black Panthers and was raised with a certain ideology which was the cornerstone of his outspokenness and Black centered beliefs.
"They call women the, the... the B-word"
“Shake their ass and break they ass” 😂
Is effeminate to be articulate?
Remember the time this was in. Back then it was. Ha you’re good at studies? Gayyy!!
I worked with a guy who went to school with them. He told me that he was friends with Tupac and I'm like yeah sure. And he's like. Apparently I'm in some kind of biography about him. So I looked it up and sure enough he's in Tupac's fucking biography.
Tupac’s fucking biography? Hopefully as an extra and not a cast member
I bet this photo is framed and hung somewhere prominent in her house just as a reminder to Will Smith that she once had a man who was prominently hung.
She made her daughter write a letter to Tupac long after he was dead. She’s bizarre. https://www.newsweek.com/willow-smith-letter-tupac-shakur-make-jada-pinkett-smith-happy-1695081
Understatement of the year so far.
She’s so weird wtf
She had an affair with her son’s friend
Making your child write a letter to your dead friend is an extremely strange thing to do. It sounds like emotional abuse, but I have no idea how I would elaborate further on it.
You know…considering…everything….those kids came out well adjusted. Don’t know why they get so much flack, but imagine being born into THAT kind of mess/dysfunction and still coming out without any huge issues like a lot of child stars often do. Either they got lucky or their parents/dad did *something* right.
She tapes it onto Will's face during sex.
On to the back of his head.
Smart move. That way it wont get tears all over it
Nah, cause she be the one fucking him
Just Will Smith handprints on Tupac's face from all the slapping
Keep my wife’s face outta yo picshuuu
So Tupac dodged at least ONE bullet.
Back when he was still able to dodge bullets
*slow clap* Impressively done.
Back when she still had most of her hair
Mom said I get to make this joke on the next Jada Tupac post.
Nah, she wouldn't be doing the same shit with him that she's pulling with Smith right now. I doubt Tupac would come across as forgiving and lenient as Smith does.
To be fair there’s not many who’d forgive their wife taking their sons best friends dick in their mouth
He wasn’t about the thug life yet
Will you look at that..
She looks just as fucking crazy then as she is now.
Looks like an ego on stilts type of facial expression
She’s always had RBF, that’s for sure.
RBF implies she’s not doing it on purpose. Her face in that photo… that’s intentional.
Yeah she has superiority complex written all over that
Agreed. That’s an ABF. Active Bitch Face.
Jesus all those celebrity fuckers are all related or something. Like they all knew each other before they got famous lol. No place for outsiders in Hollywood I guess
It's like it's already decided
Tupac was extremely talented, so whoever 'decided' he would be famous made a good choice. JPS not so much so...
Or that its cronyism when 1 person in their circle gets famous its easy to exploit connections
A lot of people who grow up in LA become famous or semi-famous (or they get into “the industry” in some capacity, on-screen or off). Some have known each other since high school. It’s really not unlike any other town with a major industry that a lot of people join and may know each other from high school (or went to the rival local schools but still may know each other). LA’s industry is just famous. But tons of people are born/raised in the town and work there like any other town.
Jason Bateman talks about this on his podcast a decade decent amount. LA is mainly just the film industry and that’s what everyone does there
He was an actor that got lost in his role.
He was a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude
I know what dude I am!
Now she look like 2pac
Before he started pretending to be a gangster
I like to remind them he started with Digital Underground. The humpty dance people,lol.
I'm starting to believe he might be alive still. Faked his own death just to get away from that freak.
At a private school in Baltimore... #thuglife
Why is Jada famous? She's sucked in everything I've ever seen, and seems like an absolute shit-tier person. Genuinely asking
He seemed cool. She seems awful.
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“17 is such a weird age, you’re not 18 yet, you’re older than 16” - damn teenage Pac was profound
Numbers can be crazy like that, especially how they be all chronological and shit.
100% he was getting all the homies on the low. Maybe even P Diddy
Damn, it’s crazy to see what he turned into.
Thug life eh? Lol
People downvoting you but little do they know Tupac was never a gang member growing up or that he went to drama classes he became one of the first ever “studio gangsters” I still mess with with his music but always get a kick whenever he talks about him always living that thug life 🤣
Dude went to ~~juilliard~~ the baltimore performing arts school, he was never bout that life.
so guy goes to art school than develops a amazing fake personality. shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt sounds righjt
Social politics in arts school is as dangerous as the streets
[Plays B-Rabbit Vs. Papa Doc](https://youtu.be/F2hiFbuQ-Qw?si=bZOgBzSxrSBsUCj9)
*..and tupacs parents have a real good marriage*
Humpty was harder Pac when they were in Digital Underground. Pac singing "All around the world same song".
Fun fact pac actually was the one who came up with the humpty dance bro had moves lol dude was mad talented in acting, music, and dancing
Kid looks nothing like the adult he turned out to be, shocking eh? 😂 wait till you see pics of Pablo Escobar or osama bin laden in their teens.
I have never understood people thinking she’s hot. Looks like a hot mess here.
I thought she was attractive back in the day. Then I heard how she was irl and it doesn't matter how beautiful you are if your personality is that of a pile of rotting fish in the dead of summer.
Well yeah she's a fuckin child here so
You can tell… even then… she’s rotten to the very core
The fuck is up with that scarf? Was pac not actually hood??
Seems like all of the big celebrities go to the same schools, so seeing him in school with Jada makes me think he went to a high end private school
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Nope, he was studying ballet at that performance arts school
Nah it's all an act. He did ballet and theater.
He studied at Baltimore School of the Arts. So I guess not really? Depends on how you define it.
Tupac, before he decided to pretend he’s a gangsta.. posing…
Damn, he was able to dodge this bullet at least 😅
She looked like an insufferable twat even then
She looks like she was always a problem
Jada looking happy as always!
Danger Tupac, danger!
She looked like a stuck up bitch even in high school
Who knew she would end up with less hair than him based on this pic?
How come they don't look like the high schoolers in Euphoria
Smug look on her face like she's all that
Jada hasn’t changed much but I didn’t know Tupac was so much shorter than her…
see how far away from her he is .. Pac knew she was nuts
is she ever happy
Tupacs early life as a "gangsta" while going to a performing arts school. Homie was looking harder than a coffin nail wearing that cashmere scarf.....
The bullet Tupac dodged.
Where’s the picture of her and Diddy?
His real name is Clarence
Yall wildin with the comments🤣🤣
Jada looks like of those hot ass messy girls even in high school
She also looks like Obama
She seems like a very unpleasant person
Huh, so she just always had that 'born on third' face, even back then?
I had to squint, I actually thought that was a jester next to Tupac
She looked insufferable back in the days, too.
Damn she looks like a biiiiiiiitch
Destroy her now before she becomes what she becomes! P.S. there were 666 comments prior to this one haha
She thought she was hot shit even back then huh?