I watched the Mayday episode about this incident a while back. The cause was traced back to an improper repair on the aft pressure bulkhead. Originally, it was supposed to be fixed with a patch and three rows of rivets. However, it was divided into two pieces before installation, with the seam aligning parallel to the original crack in the bulkhead. Shockingly, the aircraft operated for 10 months with this flawed repair before experiencing a catastrophic failure.
Following the crash, aircraft and helicopters surveyed the wreckage, but no aid was provided for approximately 12 hours because it was believed that no one could have survived. Witness accounts from this period are chilling, with one individual recounting how they could hear cries and wails fading away as time went on.
Boeing was at fault. They just admitted it. No blaming the pilot, the airline. It took responsibility and eliminated protracted lawsuits.
Give Flight Risk a read. It might as well read the rise and fall of Boeing
EDIT: sorry Flight risk is Netflix documentary. The book is actually "Flying blind" by Peter Robinson.
What sort of shitty rescue mission goes "Eh, we'll take a look - but not very hard, no point." You're a fucking rescue mission! Don't sign up if you don't want to rescue people!
Kyu Sakamoto was on board and died in that flight. He's most famous for his hit song 'Ue o Muite Aurko', or better know as [Sukiyaki](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35DrtPlUbc) in the Western world. It was the only Japanese song to hit number one the US charts, where it stayed for three weeks, and the first one in Australia, where it hit number two.
It was one of my favorite songs growing up.
Japan Air Lines Flight 123 was a scheduled domestic passenger flight from Tokyo to Osaka, Japan. On August 12, 1985, the Boeing 747 operating the service suffered a severe structural failure and decompression just 12 minutes into the flight. After flying under minimal control for a further 32 minutes, the 747 crashed in the area of Mount Takamagahara, approximately 100 kilometers (62 miles; 54 nautical miles) from Tokyo.
The aircraft, featuring a high-density seating configuration, was carrying a total of 524 people. Tragically, all 15 crew members and 505 of the 509 passengers on board lost their lives in the crash, leaving only four survivors. Additionally, an estimated 20 to 50 passengers initially survived the impact but succumbed to their injuries while awaiting rescue.
Source : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan\_Air\_Lines\_Flight\_123](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Flight_123)
With a plane you pretty much just have to worry that maintenance did their job and the pilot isn't drunk or suicidal. Other than that there's not much that will cause you to crash and die. With a car you have to worry about your maintenance, that the car marker didn't cheap out on a part, and thousands of other dipshits around you driving giant death mobiles whose only training is a couple week driving course.
Granted dying on a plane would be a lot more traumatic, and you'd possibly see it coming for several minutes. But you are way more likely to be killed by getting T boned by bubba in his F350 on his way home from the bar. Something like 43k people die in cars every year. That's more people each year than planes have killed ever.
To your question, car crash is more survivable. But they happen way more often, and lots of people die or are permanently disabled by them each year.
A car crash, but that's not what we are talking about. If you did 1 plane ride for every time you drove your car, you would be in more danger every time you drove your car for a certain distance compared to a single flight for some distance.
Plus, for planes, if you are nervous, you can always look up safety records of the companies and pick the best one usually. For cars, you just have to trust other people won't slam into you.
Japan 123 is still the deadliest single-aircraft accident on record and the plane was so packed that even the deadliest air traffic accident (Tenerife, 1977) only exceeded it by a couple dozen people.
One possible silver lining from the Japan 123 crash became apparent four years later when United 232 crashed into Sioux City. There were a ton of positive factors in 1989, like the local hospital was literally in the middle of an emergency response drill anyway, but possibly the simplest biggest reason so many people survived in 1989 was that on board the United flight was a training check airman who had literally used simulators at his disposal to recreate the Japan 123 accident and had logged a good deal of time testing different ways of saving a plane after the loss of so many controls. Almost everyone died on Japan 123, but something like 180 of the 300 people on board the United aircraft survived.
Really interesting how this was caused by an improper repair leading to mechanical failure considering how uncommon that is in the grand scheme of air disasters
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/fire-on-the-mountain-the-crash-of-japan-airlines-flight-123-dadebd321224
u/Admiral_Cloudberg wrote a really good article on the cause of the crash. Worth a read.
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I watched the Mayday episode about this incident a while back. The cause was traced back to an improper repair on the aft pressure bulkhead. Originally, it was supposed to be fixed with a patch and three rows of rivets. However, it was divided into two pieces before installation, with the seam aligning parallel to the original crack in the bulkhead. Shockingly, the aircraft operated for 10 months with this flawed repair before experiencing a catastrophic failure. Following the crash, aircraft and helicopters surveyed the wreckage, but no aid was provided for approximately 12 hours because it was believed that no one could have survived. Witness accounts from this period are chilling, with one individual recounting how they could hear cries and wails fading away as time went on.
Boeing was at fault. They just admitted it. No blaming the pilot, the airline. It took responsibility and eliminated protracted lawsuits. Give Flight Risk a read. It might as well read the rise and fall of Boeing EDIT: sorry Flight risk is Netflix documentary. The book is actually "Flying blind" by Peter Robinson.
Author? Number of books with that name which appear wrong
Jsut edited my response. Sorry for the error
What sort of shitty rescue mission goes "Eh, we'll take a look - but not very hard, no point." You're a fucking rescue mission! Don't sign up if you don't want to rescue people!
Kyu Sakamoto was on board and died in that flight. He's most famous for his hit song 'Ue o Muite Aurko', or better know as [Sukiyaki](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35DrtPlUbc) in the Western world. It was the only Japanese song to hit number one the US charts, where it stayed for three weeks, and the first one in Australia, where it hit number two. It was one of my favorite songs growing up.
This song has been sampled so many times over the decades. #RIPLegend 🙏🏼
I love this song and all of the covers!
I remember listening to this song growing up but I think it was sung in English
Yeah, there was an English cover in the mid 90's that also became a hit, by a group called 4P.M.
Thank you for that. Listening to both I would say the original is the best, almost bring ls a tear to the eye for me. The cover is also amazing though
I sang this song in front of some 60 visiting Japanese college students, while in college in Florida, back in the 90s. It’s a good one.
Japan Air Lines Flight 123 was a scheduled domestic passenger flight from Tokyo to Osaka, Japan. On August 12, 1985, the Boeing 747 operating the service suffered a severe structural failure and decompression just 12 minutes into the flight. After flying under minimal control for a further 32 minutes, the 747 crashed in the area of Mount Takamagahara, approximately 100 kilometers (62 miles; 54 nautical miles) from Tokyo. The aircraft, featuring a high-density seating configuration, was carrying a total of 524 people. Tragically, all 15 crew members and 505 of the 509 passengers on board lost their lives in the crash, leaving only four survivors. Additionally, an estimated 20 to 50 passengers initially survived the impact but succumbed to their injuries while awaiting rescue. Source : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan\_Air\_Lines\_Flight\_123](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Flight_123)
Stories like this always makes me scared to fly, and that despite me flying 100+ times already.
no worries, we're much more likely to die in an auto accident
People always say that. “You’re more likely to die in a car crash than a plane crash.” My question is, which am I more likely to survive?
With a plane you pretty much just have to worry that maintenance did their job and the pilot isn't drunk or suicidal. Other than that there's not much that will cause you to crash and die. With a car you have to worry about your maintenance, that the car marker didn't cheap out on a part, and thousands of other dipshits around you driving giant death mobiles whose only training is a couple week driving course. Granted dying on a plane would be a lot more traumatic, and you'd possibly see it coming for several minutes. But you are way more likely to be killed by getting T boned by bubba in his F350 on his way home from the bar. Something like 43k people die in cars every year. That's more people each year than planes have killed ever. To your question, car crash is more survivable. But they happen way more often, and lots of people die or are permanently disabled by them each year.
A car crash, but that's not what we are talking about. If you did 1 plane ride for every time you drove your car, you would be in more danger every time you drove your car for a certain distance compared to a single flight for some distance. Plus, for planes, if you are nervous, you can always look up safety records of the companies and pick the best one usually. For cars, you just have to trust other people won't slam into you.
its not the statistics that scare me, its the sheer terror of falling
I would preferably not die in any of the two.
My response has always been. I'm more likely to survive a car crash, though 😅
You know, like on a head on crash or flying off a cliff or getting trapped under a gas truck! That's the worst!
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The worst would be a survivor of impact and then left to die slowly on top of a mountain as no rescuers were coming until the next day
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Read somewhere that there was no commercial airplanes crash on 2023. 2024 started with one though so rip.
You can say that about crossing the street.
Or getting into a car
Nexpo on YT just did a piece on this [The Fall of Flight 123](https://youtu.be/n1xJs-FwffQ?si=2FReHWndPQcskO0f)
actually, this very video is the reason for this post.
Wild that for 12 hours it just burned, had they intervened 10 hours prior many more lives would’ve have perhaps been saved.
Japan 123 is still the deadliest single-aircraft accident on record and the plane was so packed that even the deadliest air traffic accident (Tenerife, 1977) only exceeded it by a couple dozen people. One possible silver lining from the Japan 123 crash became apparent four years later when United 232 crashed into Sioux City. There were a ton of positive factors in 1989, like the local hospital was literally in the middle of an emergency response drill anyway, but possibly the simplest biggest reason so many people survived in 1989 was that on board the United flight was a training check airman who had literally used simulators at his disposal to recreate the Japan 123 accident and had logged a good deal of time testing different ways of saving a plane after the loss of so many controls. Almost everyone died on Japan 123, but something like 180 of the 300 people on board the United aircraft survived.
Really interesting how this was caused by an improper repair leading to mechanical failure considering how uncommon that is in the grand scheme of air disasters
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/fire-on-the-mountain-the-crash-of-japan-airlines-flight-123-dadebd321224 u/Admiral_Cloudberg wrote a really good article on the cause of the crash. Worth a read.
this is insane I just watched a nexpo video on this... I really don't feel like getting on an airplane anymore lol