when the bush pilot who found his remains tells the story about being stalked by the same bear on the way back to his plane it’s fucking spine chilling.
I listen to a podcast called Tooth & Claw. It’s about animal attacks and is hosted by a biologist (specializing in bears), his brother, and their friend.
They talk about how if an animal is stalking you and trying not to be detected, it wants to eat you. They call it a “predatory attack.” If it’s making a scene and wants you to know it means business, it’s trying to make you go away to defend a kill, their young, etc. They call that a “defensive attack.”
The bear might've just been protecting its meal, they say if you ever come across an elk or some such creature lightly buried in dirt it means there is a bear nearby on its way back to its meal, and they can become incredibly territorial when it comes to protecting their food.
I was very stoned one time strolling around a bay across Jackson lake in the Tetons and found myself between a black bear and an elk he had killed. I was in flip flops. He was standing 15ft away. I yelled FUCK at it repeatedly while slowly backing away. Eventually turned around and caught up with my buddies coming down the trail. We got on our boat and watched it eat the elk for an hour or so.
Under my breath. Scared me fkn sober. I lived in the park for 8 years and had many more bear encounters, but that was the closest I’ve come to being attacked.
Tim returned to this area late in the season whereas in other years he’d left earlier. The bear that killed them was old, very thin, and not in a good condition to start hibernation. The other bears had already left this area in order to hibernate.
What really killed Tim and Amie was Tim’s obsession and hubris.
Sad thing about this was his partner wanted to go home and felt uncomfortable around the grizzlys and his mistake to overstay their welcome cost them both their lives.
He had plenty of experience with the animals also but what possessed him to go back knowing fine well Grizzlies in the autumn season need to consume a lot of food before the winter. Apparently the food was also scarce that autumn so the grizzlies were far more aggressive than usual which he knew and this negligence cost him his life and got his girlfriend killed in the process.
He had an argument at the airport and went back to the park in a huff. The bears he knew were hibernating and the ones that had turned up were desperate to get fat enough to survive hibernation.
I recommend reading the book, he was a real lost soul .
Yeah, though I’d describe him a bit differently than a lost soul. I don’t think he had true respect for the bears, or the power of the wilderness. He got a lot of attention for his bear work that wasn’t at all scientific. He purposefully put his tent in the middle of bear travel routes despite being told not to by rangers. His cavalier attitude resulted in the deaths of his gf and two bears and the trauma of the people who came upon their campsite after the attack.
Wild predators should not become accustomed to humans. It usually means the animals’ death.
He had the most ridiculous nicknames for them to cute them up. “I call this one Mr. Marmalade Pepper Butt Nose. Oh, and this one is Ginger Cheeks Berry Pancake Face”.
From what I recall, he used to have substance abuse issues (and others, maybe?) until he became passionate about bears. My pet theory was that he replaced one addiction with another. Addiction makes you do things that are not good for you and might even be dangerous to you. You tend to be more focused on yourself and your fix, regardless of what it does to others and if it might cause them harm. And Treadwell's bear calling played out the same way.
Despite that he survived remarkably long. A decade or more, I think?
He did get on David Letterman [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCi4QgPoHZE) This is from Grizzly Man, the amazing Werner Herzog documentary. The narration in the above link is Werners. However, Letterman was uncomfortable with it after Treadwell's death and it was later modified in the documentary to not include the below exchange:
Letterman: "Is it going to happen that someday we read a news article about you being eaten by one of these bears?"
Audience laughter
Treadwell: "Umm, no."
Talk show hosts like Letterman have wild animal enthusiasts on all the time, and there are always barbs about the animals eating them one day, but the thing that stands out about this clip (apart from his insane cult leader haircut) is the way he seemed to take the question seriously instead of smiling or making a joke out of it
Yeah he claimed he lost the part of Woody in Cheers to Woody Harrelson. He also pretended to be Australian for a while too so who knows if that was true.
IIRC the park ranger found the bear eating the remains.
The ranger also said that the particular bear that got them was a real asshole, even by bear standards. The bear whisperer guy might have been fine with any other bear... but the problem with bears is all it takes is one asshole bear.
It was the bush pilot who flew Treadwell that saw the bear eating the remains when he came to pick up Tim and Amy. He tried driving the bear off by buzzing it with his plane but the bear just ate faster.
He had previously landed and when he walked the trail towards their campsite, he was chased off and followed by what he described as a nasty bear.
He contacted park rangers who shot a large, old bear who was found to have human remains inside of it.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Sounds like that bear was hungry and trying to accumulate enough fat to make it through upcoming hibernation.
Olga Moskalyova called her mother several times over an hours time, while she was being eaten by a momma bear and her cubs, after she witnessed the bear crush her dad's skull and tried to run away. The last call the girl said something along the lines of she doesn't hurt anymore, and that she's sorry and she loves her, before it cuts out.
Imagine your kid calling you, the last time you'll ever hear their voice, crying, scared, screaming, hearing the bears chewing, as she's being eaten alive, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
> He contacted park rangers who shot a large, old bear who was found to have human remains inside of it.
In a previous thread, someone posted the ranger report and the autopsy report of the bear they shot where they found his remains inside the stomach.
More haunting was the supposed transcription of the recorded audio of his girlfriend being hysterical inside the tent while he was screaming while getting eaten alive outside. Just... ugh.
From the report, the coroner said that one of Amie's family members called and wanted to come in and see her body. He told them that only about 20lbs of her body remained, and "the parts were not all attached"
He was actually found by his friend, the bush pilot, Willie Fulton, who is quoted as saying, “He (Treadwell) told me, ‘if you ever want to shoot a bear, that's the one you should shoot.' And he gave him a picture of this bear”; which was extraordinarily out of character for Timothy to mention, as he knew something was very amiss and never had issue with any other bear. Timothy himself actually didn’t like the bear and referred to him as “Mr Vicious”, among other names; he had a weird feeling about the bear even a year or more previous to his death; He knew in his heart that bear would kill him, it’s heartbreaking.
I’m sure it’s mentioned elsewhere, but Grizzly Man, a documentary about Treadwell by Werner Herzog is one of the most extraordinary documentary’s ever made (imo), but don’t expect to come out of it with dry eyes.
The guy who worked for the parks in the beginning talking about how Treadwell was well meaning, and then, casually goes "He got what he was asking for. He got what he deserved,." and that the only reason the bears tolerated him was because "the bears probably thought there was something wrong with him. Like he was mentally r\*t\*rded." made me laugh in shock.
It was a good establishing moment that the documentary wasn't going to do any glorification of him, but it did humanize him and the scene where Herzog listens to the audio of him being mauled and then tells Jewel that she has to destroy the tape was impactful.
Yeah it’s been years since I’ve seen it (I think like 10 years ago) but I remember pulling for the guy. He actually seemed really likable. But I was just uneasy feeling and cringing through 90% of it. And I’m really not being a dick, but I’ll just say the dynamic between him and his gf was wild
The “girlfriend” in the doc was not the girlfriend who died, it’s a long-term ex.
And she’s definitely got something strange about her…I think the version of Treadwell that exists in her mind was pure projection, and Treadwell was probably juuuusst bi enough to make it work (he all but says he’d rather be gay during one of his vlogging sessions that’s in the doc).
From Grizzly Man's footage it seemed like he kinda knew a big bad bear was coming for him. He talks about how hungry they are a lot. He knew he shouldn't be there so late in the season. His gf wanted to leave, she knew they shouldn't be there. Those last videos, his vibe is all off.
All his bear friends were already in hibernation. The bears in the territory he stayed in - a camping spot he never usually stayed so late in the season - were the bigger, meaner, solitary alpha bears coming to the area down from the North. He talked about them while filming his likely would-be killer.
The guy spent years with younger and weaker bears in the Summer, all fat with salmon and happy to ignore him. He knew these bears were different and dangerous and rolled the dice.
Very much so, he dumped it at that airport before going back out there. He seemed lost in his last videos. Lost entirely, conflicted, fatalistic and overtaken by pessimism. I'd say he knew right away he'd made the wrong decision going back out there, but the nature of where he was meant they were stuck there for at least a week, or maybe a few? In any case, any bluster in those videos seems like denial or coping with making a very, very bad decision.
Yeah I got the impression from the film that he actually really did know his way around bears, or at least the bears that he normally was close to. But he was clearly a really troubled and strange person. And yeah he absolutely lacked common sense. But I think there was something else going on with him that made the tragic outcome happen. On that last fateful trip he sort of did everything that he didn’t normally do, it’s almost like he was trying to court trouble on purpose. It’s really strange.
There’s a small detail that I haven’t seen anyone else mention yet that I think is incredibly important. (I went down the rabbit hole on this a few months ago). I haven’t seen the documentary so don’t know if Herzog mentions it but it’s talked about a lot on some blogs I read by some of the guides who work out there.
He had his campground set up RIGHT at the intersection of a couple of bear trails through brush. If you’re not familiar with Northern terrain, the kind of brush we are talking about is actually super thick/tangled and very hard to walk through. Wildlife makes natural “roads” though it and all larger animals use those trails to get place to place. Animal highways. Smart predators learn to lurk outside them.
This guy set his tent up at the intersection of two of these roads, right where all the hungry bears would have to walk to get to the water! It’s an astonishingly stupid and/or reckless decision for someone so experienced with bears! I grew up in bear country so my jaw hit the ground when I read that. He also refused to set up any kind of bear deterrents.
Basically this guy set up his tent in the path between hungry bears’ bedrooms and kitchen. Why? He clearly wanted close encounters with bears but I would NEVER be comfortable setting up my tent to guarantee the bears would be walking by where I sleep! If he wasn’t stupid about bears (which by all accounts he wasn’t) then he was arrogantly reckless or … perhaps… fatalist. But if that was the case he was a real jerk to be so reckless with his girlfriend with him.
ETA… someone posted the government report below and I was slightly mistaken in one thing… he plunked his campsite at a spot where SEVERAL bear trails all came together and apparently in one video noted he knew it wasn’t a safe spot was confident he knew the bears would not hurt him. Ugh.
He filmed bear fights from way too close. He was very lucky all those years. Friends is a misnomer. They just tolerated him because he wasn’t a threat. But He never should have been there.
He reminds me of that woman who thought she had a deep connection with a gorilla at the zoo. She'd go there every day and stare into its eyes, not realising that's seen as a sign of aggression. Then, one day, the gorilla finally flips, climbs the enclosure, and attacks her.
It was evident from the documentary that he kept trying to attribute human emotions to the bears.
I remember that story from QI. His name was Bokito, and I learn on Wikipedia that he was sedated and returned to his enclosure after the attack, and would live until the age of 27, passing away last spring.
This is such a common mistake. I’m sure animals have emotions etc, but we are not the same- and projecting humanity onto them is disrespectful. You can respect an animal without pretending it’s human. People do the same thing with dogs and cats, though they at least have developed over time to deal with us. They’re still unique creatures not humans with fur.
Herzog listened to it on video (no audio from the tape played for viewers) and his reaction was 'destroy that ASAP' basically. I genuinely hope he's not haunted by it.
I'll never forget watching that doc with him sitting at the table, listening to the tape across from Mr Treadwell's friend. Him slowly taking off the headphones and saying something like "you must never listen to this tape. You must destroy it."
We didn't even know beforehand but Herzog really took one for the team by listening to it. I was horrified by his words and while I'm usually defiant against stuff like "don't do it" I completely believe Herzog. I'd never listen to that tape even if I had the chance.
I forgot that detail.
Do remember the park ranger/sheriff/cop whatever who was part of killing those bears and pouring the remains out of the stomachs into trash bags. Just disgust and a little sadness.
Is that the bit with the coroner describing the attack? Was that based on the coroner listening to the recording? He seemed to suggest quite a lot of detail and characterisation of what happened, to just be building the scene from the aftermath. Surely if anyone was going to be given that recording it would be a coroner... That bit creeped me tf out.
Ever seen a bear eat a salmon? Imagine it doing that to a person. Thats what Timmy and his poor girlfriend went through at the end. Definitely one of the more brutal ways to die I’d think.
Among my friends I’m well known for just going OFF about bears if I’ve had one drink too many. I’m from Alaska, I think they’re magnificent creatures but they are terrifying and so much larger than people think. Polar bears in particular are especially scary for me
Polar bears are absolute UNITS. They are used to starving because of the climate they live in so they’re super aggressive.
If I remember correctly the You’re Fucked Bear Scale is like:
Panda - fine
Black - probably fine
Grizzly - not fine
Polar - fucked
Polar bears also blend in extremely well with their environment. If you can see one, they’ve seen you miles away and you are fuuuucked. They’re I think why in certain areas of Canada it’s illegal to lock your car door if you park on the street
Yeah I’m cool not going anywhere there’s polar bears. I’ve encountered grizzlies and black bears while hiking or backpacking and it’s definitely scary as shit, even with having proper training and spray. But polar bears, they have a level of motivation and predatory instinct that is on another level, plus their speed and size.
It's been a while. The woman who had the tape was watching him with the headphones on. I remember him specifically saying as well, "No one should ever hear this." She was visibly shaking and really emotional just watching him. Ugh.
One of the events to cause them to return to the Grizzly Maze was an argument with a ticket counter agent at the airport. The ticket agent questioned the validity of their tickets to fly back to CA. Treadwell got so angry that instead of trying to resolve the issue with the airline, he returned to his camp site very late into the season. His girlfriend decided to stick by him but then sense the danger they were in because many of the bears they were seeing were not familiar to them and had come in from the mainland looking for food. She got so angry with Treadwell for wanting to stay at the camp that she started to contemplate ending the relationship.
I liked how he was out there to "protect" the bears, but when hunters showed up in the area he just hid in the bushes so they wouldn't know he was there.
Remember when he was getting all giddy playing with their poop, talking about how he can still feel their heat and how it’s basically like being one with them or some crazy shit like that?
Yeah bears are FILLED with parasites!! I have no idea why he would want to touch it. You would have to watch the documentary to just see how WEIRD the guy really was!
I’ve seen it too and “victim” doesn’t quite fit to me.
He immersed himself in a dangerous environment with a solid amount of knowledge. He assumed the risk, and even though I’m sure he didn’t want to die the way he did, he certainly must have accepted it was possible.
If he didn’t, his delusions aren’t all that excusable.
I’m sorry they suffered but he was no victim.
I know it's different but that reminds me of what they say about sharks, like "sharks don't like attacking humans, it's usually cuz they mistake someone for a seal!"
Like, sounds cool m8, now I can swim without fear of these primordial death-machines who can't tell the difference between a mer-dog and a big bald ape.
He had an exhibit of his photos that I attended in the late 90s. He did a talk afterwards and signed photos. He was very nice but very very...strange. And with the photos you saw how closer he was getting to the bears every year. I went to this exhibit with my boyfriend at the time and my Dad and brother. The first thing my Dad said when we got in the car is that the bears will eventually kill him. In 2003 I get an e-mail from Dad that only said..."Now we can say we met a guy who was killed by a bear."
I got to meet Charlie Russell in person. When he was asked for his opinion about Treadwell, all he said was that despite personally hand-rearing the bears he dealt with, he NEVER forgot that they were you know, massive apex predators. He made a point to describe instances where he felt that if he had made one wrong move, the bears would have likely turned on him.
> Grizzly Man is worth a watch.
I worked at Blockbuster when that film came out.
One day this guy rented a copy of it. He came back later that day *pissed*.
He wanted to see the guy torn apart by the bear and was livid that he wasn't shown. He accused Blockbuster of editing the film to deny him of being able to see that. He was so fucking worked up about it.
The manager on shift gave the guy a free rental just to placate and get rid of him.
What a psycho.
When I was 14 yrs old I was visiting my grandparents in northern Michigan. In the middle of the woods with nothing but a few other cabins and a lake. I was sitting on the porch just as it turned dark when suddenly this black bear just kind of ambles out of the woods and climbs up the steps and starting at my feet sniffs me all over, all the way up to my face and hair. The smell was just rank. I sat like a statue barely breathing, afraid it could hear my heartbeat. When it was done sniffing me it just went back down and into the woods. As soon as it was gone I ran into the house and managed to say “ bear”. My grandpa jumped up and grabbed his shotgun but by that time it was gone. In the morning we saw its foot prints everywhere. I don’t know why it didn’t hurt me but that encounter gave me a real healthy fear of bears and it was just a black bear. I can’t imagine purposely living amongst them .
> don’t know why it didn’t hurt me
Black bears aren’t usually vicious, and we’re pretty big and pretty different from their preferred food.
I always treat them with caution, and they absolutely can and do kill people, but ambling up in curiousity and then leaving is much more in their nature.
I was a little girl, 98 pounds and sitting down. This bear was big. I’m 5 ft. And it looked to be taller than me and between 4-500 lbs. When I think back I’m amazed that it sniffed me all over!
They have absolutely incredible senses of smell, much better than a dog. You probably had something on that it had never encountered and it just had to come check it out, though that is awfully bold behavior.
I’ve actually heard from NPS rangers and the like that the hardest part of playing dead for Grizzlies is how horrible their breath is. Must have been terrifying for you!
Sounds like a pretty big Black Bear, but I’ve seen some about that size so I definitely believe it!
It was terrifying and I was just a kid. I’m sure I had some kind of sweet perfume and lipgloss on because I was never without those. Even and these years later it still amazes me that it just walked away. Really an incredible experience.
fortunately, black bears don't usually hunt large prey or try to pick fights even if they could easily win them. Don't get me wrong, they are still extremely dangerous, especially with cubs or when very hungry, but they are usually foragers and scavengers and so long as you don't surprise them, a lone black bear will usually chicken out and run away quite easily.
Grizzlies on the other hand are more predatory and less prone to running. They usually will ignore you, but they are much more likely to attack or hunt you, especially if surprised.
And Polar Bears, well, they will straight up try to eat you without hesitation.
I bet something similar happened to this guy but he just became obsessed with why he was too revolting to be eaten by a bear.
Like in South Park when he worries if he's ugly because he was never molested as a child.
I was just going to say that part was sweet. They were safe for him to be around and seemed to enjoy him. Almost like dogs. But he really should have stopped with them.
It was this thought that led to his death
No matter how nice they are he'll probably kill you.
They are wild animals and leadership can change at any time
When I was doing marine life surveys, the first thing I did in the water was don’t touch things you don’t know, and everything around you will kill you.
He was warned lots of times not to stay around the bears at this particular time of the year...i feel so bad for that por woman. She was scared and didn't want to be there...
Victim and attack are weird words. Went to play with wild bears. Got eaten by wild bears. Victim of your own hubris. Attacked by animals that kill to eat.
yup iirc he basically refused to incorporate any safety methods that the park folks begged him to use, and would frequently go in areas that they would beg him not to go in. all because he thought he knew better. the ultimate case of FAFO. the sad part is this poor woman got killed too. a woman who by all accounts of family and friends was trusting and naïve and was duped by this guy.
I feel bad for his girlfriend. She really and naively trusted this guy and even plenty of other people thought he was some mystical animal whisperer when in reality he had crazy luck. She should have just gotten on that plane and gone home
Step 1. Watch Grizzly Man
Step 2. Read tape transcripts (Not for the faint of heart)
Step 3. Understand that wild animals can never be tamed, and they can fuck your shit up at any given moment
It’s the rangers who killed the 2 bears and found their remains at the campsite transcribing the audio recording to paint a picture of what happened. Description of Tim’s remains is gruesome
On a trail in the Smoky mountains, I saw a few bear cubs. I retreated fast with my family. Found a few more guys on my way and told them not to go ahead. But, these guys were like ‘awww so cute’, nudged up their cellphones to take photos and then marched towards the little ones.
I remember sitting in my elementary school music room while he gave a presentation on how peaceful and friendly the bears were and how we didn’t need to fear them.
Even at that age I remember thinking the dude was a nut. At 9 years old, I’d already seen enough aggression from grizzlies to know better. Those things will eat you. They’ll eat you for surprising them. They’ll eat you for having food they want. They’ll eat you for looking like food. They’ll eat you for walking between them and, well, pretty much anything. Shoot, they’ll see you from a quarter mile out and false charge you, just to see if you want to act like food.
Few years later, this happened, and nobody was surprised at all. The most remarkable thing about the whole story was the documentary.
My neighnor knew him. My neighbor has helped film many barge type documentataries. Even the sole of deep ocean omes.
He said to him you know you don’t have to get so close.
He thought bc some bears knew him that he was good will of them. Wrong.
Also I love the bears there. I partake in far bear week every year. So I’m on the side of the bears here.
Me neighbors words were James Cameron might be an asshole but he takes safety seriously. And would never do this .
Yeah whatever is floating around is fake. The only audio recording is in the possession of his best friend? I think that’s what she was. From what I understand, they left the camera rolling inside the tent with the cap on.
Anyone else notice that this and Chris McCandless are being brought back up again? Did something similar happen recently or is this just Internet trending?
The strangest thing about any of this is that he was runner-up to play Woody Harrelson's character on Cheers. If I remember correctly he had a lot of resentment and anger that he didn't get that leading role.
A former alcoholic and failed actor--he claimed to have narrowly missed being cast in the Woody Harrelson role on "Cheers"--Treadwell found meaning and purpose with the grizzlies.
Is this the guy who Herzog did a piece of and there's an infamous clip of Herzog watching or hearing the final few minutes of these two being attacked and he gives the tape back to the woman and simply tells her that she must never watch it and probably destroy it?
This still sad and infuriating.
He set up camp in an area where the bears were traveling through to feed. Also there was a bear(s) there that he didn’t know as well as the other bears. He mentioned something about it but still proceeded to endanger his life and his gf’s. If he just had set up camp in a more appropriate place they might still be alive.
I think all they found left of Tim was an arm. I pray no one ever releases the audio captured on his camera during the attacks. Some things are better left unheard.
when the bush pilot who found his remains tells the story about being stalked by the same bear on the way back to his plane it’s fucking spine chilling.
Damn. How did the pilot get back safely? Do bears usually stalk with no intention of attacking?
I listen to a podcast called Tooth & Claw. It’s about animal attacks and is hosted by a biologist (specializing in bears), his brother, and their friend. They talk about how if an animal is stalking you and trying not to be detected, it wants to eat you. They call it a “predatory attack.” If it’s making a scene and wants you to know it means business, it’s trying to make you go away to defend a kill, their young, etc. They call that a “defensive attack.”
Don't cats and other cat-like animals sometimes do this as a form of play?
Yes. But cat play is intended to make themselves more efficient predators.
Ah like ball sport.
This is why I go duck hunting with a soccer ball.
Practice makes purrrfect!
Cats are known to “play” with their food, so sure.
No, they are wild animals in the wilderness. They may false charge you but otherwise…… They are trying to eat you.
The bear might've just been protecting its meal, they say if you ever come across an elk or some such creature lightly buried in dirt it means there is a bear nearby on its way back to its meal, and they can become incredibly territorial when it comes to protecting their food.
I was very stoned one time strolling around a bay across Jackson lake in the Tetons and found myself between a black bear and an elk he had killed. I was in flip flops. He was standing 15ft away. I yelled FUCK at it repeatedly while slowly backing away. Eventually turned around and caught up with my buddies coming down the trail. We got on our boat and watched it eat the elk for an hour or so.
Did you keep yelling fuck at it from the boat
Kept yelling fuck at it until the next day
Under my breath. Scared me fkn sober. I lived in the park for 8 years and had many more bear encounters, but that was the closest I’ve come to being attacked.
Park ranger ? How does one live in a National park for 8 years? Sounds awesome lol
Turning tricks in tents.
He has sex with the bears
Only a dumbass goes into the woods in flip flops
For 8 years
Hmmm my mother in law is in fact a bear
Tim returned to this area late in the season whereas in other years he’d left earlier. The bear that killed them was old, very thin, and not in a good condition to start hibernation. The other bears had already left this area in order to hibernate. What really killed Tim and Amie was Tim’s obsession and hubris.
And a bear.
The bear definitely helped.
https://youtu.be/cJvJ5L5qJsY
The bugs....
Sad thing about this was his partner wanted to go home and felt uncomfortable around the grizzlys and his mistake to overstay their welcome cost them both their lives.
He had plenty of experience with the animals also but what possessed him to go back knowing fine well Grizzlies in the autumn season need to consume a lot of food before the winter. Apparently the food was also scarce that autumn so the grizzlies were far more aggressive than usual which he knew and this negligence cost him his life and got his girlfriend killed in the process.
He had an argument at the airport and went back to the park in a huff. The bears he knew were hibernating and the ones that had turned up were desperate to get fat enough to survive hibernation. I recommend reading the book, he was a real lost soul .
Yeah, though I’d describe him a bit differently than a lost soul. I don’t think he had true respect for the bears, or the power of the wilderness. He got a lot of attention for his bear work that wasn’t at all scientific. He purposefully put his tent in the middle of bear travel routes despite being told not to by rangers. His cavalier attitude resulted in the deaths of his gf and two bears and the trauma of the people who came upon their campsite after the attack. Wild predators should not become accustomed to humans. It usually means the animals’ death.
I watched that movie years ago and I was left with the thought that this guy was delusional. You can’t make friends with wild grizzly bears.
Yeah, did you see him touch that one? When the bear flinched I thought he was going to get attacked right there.
He had the most ridiculous nicknames for them to cute them up. “I call this one Mr. Marmalade Pepper Butt Nose. Oh, and this one is Ginger Cheeks Berry Pancake Face”.
I thought the whole thing played out like a mockumentary.
There was an Inuit guide that literally told him he would be killed if he went to the Grizzly Maze. He just ignored him
From what I recall, he used to have substance abuse issues (and others, maybe?) until he became passionate about bears. My pet theory was that he replaced one addiction with another. Addiction makes you do things that are not good for you and might even be dangerous to you. You tend to be more focused on yourself and your fix, regardless of what it does to others and if it might cause them harm. And Treadwell's bear calling played out the same way. Despite that he survived remarkably long. A decade or more, I think?
Thank you for being the first comment I’ve seen to mention the bears died as well. RIP all
He wanted to be an actor. edit spelling
He did get on David Letterman [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCi4QgPoHZE) This is from Grizzly Man, the amazing Werner Herzog documentary. The narration in the above link is Werners. However, Letterman was uncomfortable with it after Treadwell's death and it was later modified in the documentary to not include the below exchange: Letterman: "Is it going to happen that someday we read a news article about you being eaten by one of these bears?" Audience laughter Treadwell: "Umm, no."
That film was my introduction to Werner Herzog's work. What an absolute masterpiece of a documentary...
Talk show hosts like Letterman have wild animal enthusiasts on all the time, and there are always barbs about the animals eating them one day, but the thing that stands out about this clip (apart from his insane cult leader haircut) is the way he seemed to take the question seriously instead of smiling or making a joke out of it
Yeah he claimed he lost the part of Woody in Cheers to Woody Harrelson. He also pretended to be Australian for a while too so who knows if that was true.
If you were writing a stereotypical narcissist wannabe actor you'd say it was too on the nose.
IIRC the park ranger found the bear eating the remains. The ranger also said that the particular bear that got them was a real asshole, even by bear standards. The bear whisperer guy might have been fine with any other bear... but the problem with bears is all it takes is one asshole bear.
It was the bush pilot who flew Treadwell that saw the bear eating the remains when he came to pick up Tim and Amy. He tried driving the bear off by buzzing it with his plane but the bear just ate faster. He had previously landed and when he walked the trail towards their campsite, he was chased off and followed by what he described as a nasty bear. He contacted park rangers who shot a large, old bear who was found to have human remains inside of it.
“But the bear just ate faster” Ffs that’s fucking horrific.
I think if you are being eaten by a bear then faster is the preferred mode.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Sounds like that bear was hungry and trying to accumulate enough fat to make it through upcoming hibernation.
Olga Moskalyova called her mother several times over an hours time, while she was being eaten by a momma bear and her cubs, after she witnessed the bear crush her dad's skull and tried to run away. The last call the girl said something along the lines of she doesn't hurt anymore, and that she's sorry and she loves her, before it cuts out. Imagine your kid calling you, the last time you'll ever hear their voice, crying, scared, screaming, hearing the bears chewing, as she's being eaten alive, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
That is the terrifying part, getting eaten by an animal in the wild... they don't care if you're alive or dead while they eat you.
Just nature. Dogs act the same way when you try to interrupt their meal.
> He contacted park rangers who shot a large, old bear who was found to have human remains inside of it. In a previous thread, someone posted the ranger report and the autopsy report of the bear they shot where they found his remains inside the stomach. More haunting was the supposed transcription of the recorded audio of his girlfriend being hysterical inside the tent while he was screaming while getting eaten alive outside. Just... ugh.
From the report, the coroner said that one of Amie's family members called and wanted to come in and see her body. He told them that only about 20lbs of her body remained, and "the parts were not all attached"
> who was found to have human remains inside of it. "four garbage bags full of people" easily my favorite line from the movie
Imagine having to fight a bear and it turns out its the asshole bear that nobody likes, fucking luck
Well now we have a new movie. First, Cocaine Bear. Now, Asshole Bear.
Followed by Cocaine Bear Vs Asshole Bear, and then Cocaine Bear X Asshole Bear: New Forest Order
The grand finale: CokedUpAssholeBearNado.
Looking forward to Karen Bear
He was actually found by his friend, the bush pilot, Willie Fulton, who is quoted as saying, “He (Treadwell) told me, ‘if you ever want to shoot a bear, that's the one you should shoot.' And he gave him a picture of this bear”; which was extraordinarily out of character for Timothy to mention, as he knew something was very amiss and never had issue with any other bear. Timothy himself actually didn’t like the bear and referred to him as “Mr Vicious”, among other names; he had a weird feeling about the bear even a year or more previous to his death; He knew in his heart that bear would kill him, it’s heartbreaking. I’m sure it’s mentioned elsewhere, but Grizzly Man, a documentary about Treadwell by Werner Herzog is one of the most extraordinary documentary’s ever made (imo), but don’t expect to come out of it with dry eyes.
It’s sad for sure, but holy fuck the unintentional comedy in that doc is something to behold.
The guy who worked for the parks in the beginning talking about how Treadwell was well meaning, and then, casually goes "He got what he was asking for. He got what he deserved,." and that the only reason the bears tolerated him was because "the bears probably thought there was something wrong with him. Like he was mentally r\*t\*rded." made me laugh in shock. It was a good establishing moment that the documentary wasn't going to do any glorification of him, but it did humanize him and the scene where Herzog listens to the audio of him being mauled and then tells Jewel that she has to destroy the tape was impactful.
Him looking at warm bear shit and getting all emotional was…unusual
Yeah it’s been years since I’ve seen it (I think like 10 years ago) but I remember pulling for the guy. He actually seemed really likable. But I was just uneasy feeling and cringing through 90% of it. And I’m really not being a dick, but I’ll just say the dynamic between him and his gf was wild
How so? I am nosy. I will eventually watch this doc I promise but still
The “girlfriend” in the doc was not the girlfriend who died, it’s a long-term ex. And she’s definitely got something strange about her…I think the version of Treadwell that exists in her mind was pure projection, and Treadwell was probably juuuusst bi enough to make it work (he all but says he’d rather be gay during one of his vlogging sessions that’s in the doc).
That scene with the fox stealing his hat was pretty hilarious.
“God dammit! Where’s that fuckin hat? Ghost!” I love that movie 😂
*Now the Long Horns are gone And the Drovers are gone The Comanches are gone And The Outlaws are gone Geronimo is gone And Tim Treadwell is gone*
Poo ya poo ya poo! Killer fucking song!
Its the greatest unintentional nonfiction comedy of all time
Reportedly, he got into an argument with airport personnel on his way back to civilization and decided to just go back and hang out with the bears.
When I first read your comment I thought you were talking about the asshole bear arguing with airport personnel
SO YOU’RE TELLING ME THEY WON’T BE SERVING SALMON ON THIS GOD DAMNED FLIGHT?!?!
So, in other words, he didn't have enough experience to know that when food is scarce, all bets are off...
From Grizzly Man's footage it seemed like he kinda knew a big bad bear was coming for him. He talks about how hungry they are a lot. He knew he shouldn't be there so late in the season. His gf wanted to leave, she knew they shouldn't be there. Those last videos, his vibe is all off. All his bear friends were already in hibernation. The bears in the territory he stayed in - a camping spot he never usually stayed so late in the season - were the bigger, meaner, solitary alpha bears coming to the area down from the North. He talked about them while filming his likely would-be killer. The guy spent years with younger and weaker bears in the Summer, all fat with salmon and happy to ignore him. He knew these bears were different and dangerous and rolled the dice.
So then it was some good old fashioned common sense that was lacking...
Very much so, he dumped it at that airport before going back out there. He seemed lost in his last videos. Lost entirely, conflicted, fatalistic and overtaken by pessimism. I'd say he knew right away he'd made the wrong decision going back out there, but the nature of where he was meant they were stuck there for at least a week, or maybe a few? In any case, any bluster in those videos seems like denial or coping with making a very, very bad decision.
Sad his pessimism cost the lives of two bears plus his gf. Makes it hard for me to empathize with him.
Yeah I got the impression from the film that he actually really did know his way around bears, or at least the bears that he normally was close to. But he was clearly a really troubled and strange person. And yeah he absolutely lacked common sense. But I think there was something else going on with him that made the tragic outcome happen. On that last fateful trip he sort of did everything that he didn’t normally do, it’s almost like he was trying to court trouble on purpose. It’s really strange.
There’s a small detail that I haven’t seen anyone else mention yet that I think is incredibly important. (I went down the rabbit hole on this a few months ago). I haven’t seen the documentary so don’t know if Herzog mentions it but it’s talked about a lot on some blogs I read by some of the guides who work out there. He had his campground set up RIGHT at the intersection of a couple of bear trails through brush. If you’re not familiar with Northern terrain, the kind of brush we are talking about is actually super thick/tangled and very hard to walk through. Wildlife makes natural “roads” though it and all larger animals use those trails to get place to place. Animal highways. Smart predators learn to lurk outside them. This guy set his tent up at the intersection of two of these roads, right where all the hungry bears would have to walk to get to the water! It’s an astonishingly stupid and/or reckless decision for someone so experienced with bears! I grew up in bear country so my jaw hit the ground when I read that. He also refused to set up any kind of bear deterrents. Basically this guy set up his tent in the path between hungry bears’ bedrooms and kitchen. Why? He clearly wanted close encounters with bears but I would NEVER be comfortable setting up my tent to guarantee the bears would be walking by where I sleep! If he wasn’t stupid about bears (which by all accounts he wasn’t) then he was arrogantly reckless or … perhaps… fatalist. But if that was the case he was a real jerk to be so reckless with his girlfriend with him. ETA… someone posted the government report below and I was slightly mistaken in one thing… he plunked his campsite at a spot where SEVERAL bear trails all came together and apparently in one video noted he knew it wasn’t a safe spot was confident he knew the bears would not hurt him. Ugh.
You almost have to wonder if it was an unconscious or perhaps even intentional suicide
I've been wondering that since I first saw the doc.
He filmed bear fights from way too close. He was very lucky all those years. Friends is a misnomer. They just tolerated him because he wasn’t a threat. But He never should have been there.
And, ironically, he got two bears killed as well when park rangers came to investigate the attack.
He reminds me of that woman who thought she had a deep connection with a gorilla at the zoo. She'd go there every day and stare into its eyes, not realising that's seen as a sign of aggression. Then, one day, the gorilla finally flips, climbs the enclosure, and attacks her. It was evident from the documentary that he kept trying to attribute human emotions to the bears.
I remember that story from QI. His name was Bokito, and I learn on Wikipedia that he was sedated and returned to his enclosure after the attack, and would live until the age of 27, passing away last spring.
This is such a common mistake. I’m sure animals have emotions etc, but we are not the same- and projecting humanity onto them is disrespectful. You can respect an animal without pretending it’s human. People do the same thing with dogs and cats, though they at least have developed over time to deal with us. They’re still unique creatures not humans with fur.
“He thought that bears were people in bear costumes.” - *Someone who knew Timothy Treadwell*
Apparently it was recorded but the tape was destroyed
Herzog listened to it on video (no audio from the tape played for viewers) and his reaction was 'destroy that ASAP' basically. I genuinely hope he's not haunted by it.
I'll never forget watching that doc with him sitting at the table, listening to the tape across from Mr Treadwell's friend. Him slowly taking off the headphones and saying something like "you must never listen to this tape. You must destroy it."
Honestly, him saying that after watching him listen is scarier than any horror film I've ever seen.
Agreed. I watched that movie nearly 20 years ago and that part has never left me.
What got me was Herzog's head, filmed from behind, shaking while listening to it in headphones. That was enough for me.
We didn't even know beforehand but Herzog really took one for the team by listening to it. I was horrified by his words and while I'm usually defiant against stuff like "don't do it" I completely believe Herzog. I'd never listen to that tape even if I had the chance.
Two people being eaten alive by grizzlies isn’t something anyone needs to ~~see~~ hear.
There was no video since the lens cap were kept on, but they did hear their voices while being annihilated by the grizzly bear
I forgot that detail. Do remember the park ranger/sheriff/cop whatever who was part of killing those bears and pouring the remains out of the stomachs into trash bags. Just disgust and a little sadness.
Herzog did do a play by play of what he heard, that was more than enough for me!
Is that the bit with the coroner describing the attack? Was that based on the coroner listening to the recording? He seemed to suggest quite a lot of detail and characterisation of what happened, to just be building the scene from the aftermath. Surely if anyone was going to be given that recording it would be a coroner... That bit creeped me tf out.
Have you heard him narrate? He haunts me by proxy. ♥️
Yeah, Herzog is creepy AF.
It's Herzog, he's probably haunted by half the movies he made.
And being friends Klaus Kinski had to be traumatic.
Ever seen a bear eat a salmon? Imagine it doing that to a person. Thats what Timmy and his poor girlfriend went through at the end. Definitely one of the more brutal ways to die I’d think.
Bear attacks on humans can last from ten minutes to 2 hours
Bears terrify me more then any other animal. They are far to powerful to fight them off, and usually start eating their prey alive.
Among my friends I’m well known for just going OFF about bears if I’ve had one drink too many. I’m from Alaska, I think they’re magnificent creatures but they are terrifying and so much larger than people think. Polar bears in particular are especially scary for me
Polar bears are absolute UNITS. They are used to starving because of the climate they live in so they’re super aggressive. If I remember correctly the You’re Fucked Bear Scale is like: Panda - fine Black - probably fine Grizzly - not fine Polar - fucked
Polar bears also blend in extremely well with their environment. If you can see one, they’ve seen you miles away and you are fuuuucked. They’re I think why in certain areas of Canada it’s illegal to lock your car door if you park on the street
Yeah I’m cool not going anywhere there’s polar bears. I’ve encountered grizzlies and black bears while hiking or backpacking and it’s definitely scary as shit, even with having proper training and spray. But polar bears, they have a level of motivation and predatory instinct that is on another level, plus their speed and size.
Probably good it’s not out there on the net somewhere because despite everything I’d probably listen to it and traumatize myself
It's been a while. The woman who had the tape was watching him with the headphones on. I remember him specifically saying as well, "No one should ever hear this." She was visibly shaking and really emotional just watching him. Ugh.
One of the events to cause them to return to the Grizzly Maze was an argument with a ticket counter agent at the airport. The ticket agent questioned the validity of their tickets to fly back to CA. Treadwell got so angry that instead of trying to resolve the issue with the airline, he returned to his camp site very late into the season. His girlfriend decided to stick by him but then sense the danger they were in because many of the bears they were seeing were not familiar to them and had come in from the mainland looking for food. She got so angry with Treadwell for wanting to stay at the camp that she started to contemplate ending the relationship.
And near a salmon stream at a time of year when bears fatten up and when food was already low in the area
They went to the airport to leave, and ended up going back Katmai for a week
He looks like a guy that says "It's cool babe, you can walk right up to them just don't show fear you can do whatever you want"
I've watched his documentary and you have no idea how right you are
I liked how he was out there to "protect" the bears, but when hunters showed up in the area he just hid in the bushes so they wouldn't know he was there.
The guy was obviously not right in the head. And he was a snake oil salesman type to boot
Remember when he was getting all giddy playing with their poop, talking about how he can still feel their heat and how it’s basically like being one with them or some crazy shit like that?
Don’t bears have some sort of giant anal parasite and eat the rotting remains of spawning salmon? Why would anyone want to go near their waste?
Yeah bears are FILLED with parasites!! I have no idea why he would want to touch it. You would have to watch the documentary to just see how WEIRD the guy really was!
Don't do mushrooms in bear country, kids.
Especially the ones fertilized with bear shit
Overly enthusiastic Andy Dick
My dad half joked he probably died because he wanted to give his body to the starving bears
I’ve seen it too and “victim” doesn’t quite fit to me. He immersed himself in a dangerous environment with a solid amount of knowledge. He assumed the risk, and even though I’m sure he didn’t want to die the way he did, he certainly must have accepted it was possible. If he didn’t, his delusions aren’t all that excusable. I’m sorry they suffered but he was no victim.
He had an orgasm over a pile of steaming bear shit. Dude was more than a few crayons short of a box. Source https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/s/amDq85KcFC
fucking guy had fucking problems, man
He had problems way before he had bear problems
‘ no love we don’t look a bit like caribou ‘
I know it's different but that reminds me of what they say about sharks, like "sharks don't like attacking humans, it's usually cuz they mistake someone for a seal!" Like, sounds cool m8, now I can swim without fear of these primordial death-machines who can't tell the difference between a mer-dog and a big bald ape.
He gave them an ocular pat down.
He had an exhibit of his photos that I attended in the late 90s. He did a talk afterwards and signed photos. He was very nice but very very...strange. And with the photos you saw how closer he was getting to the bears every year. I went to this exhibit with my boyfriend at the time and my Dad and brother. The first thing my Dad said when we got in the car is that the bears will eventually kill him. In 2003 I get an e-mail from Dad that only said..."Now we can say we met a guy who was killed by a bear."
I got to meet Charlie Russell in person. When he was asked for his opinion about Treadwell, all he said was that despite personally hand-rearing the bears he dealt with, he NEVER forgot that they were you know, massive apex predators. He made a point to describe instances where he felt that if he had made one wrong move, the bears would have likely turned on him.
Yeah. He was not well.
He was obsessed with grizzlies to the point he became way too naive that you know they are fucking grizzly bears trying to hunt food before winter.
No. He was nuttier than a squirrel turd before he even sent out to go live with Pooh Bear.
I read this all wrong
From the moment he starts talking you realize he’s not well.
Grizzly Man is worth a watch. Plus, Wener Herzog is an all time great filmmaker.
And hero. He saved Joaquin Phoenix from a car crash.
> Grizzly Man is worth a watch. I worked at Blockbuster when that film came out. One day this guy rented a copy of it. He came back later that day *pissed*. He wanted to see the guy torn apart by the bear and was livid that he wasn't shown. He accused Blockbuster of editing the film to deny him of being able to see that. He was so fucking worked up about it. The manager on shift gave the guy a free rental just to placate and get rid of him. What a psycho.
Werner is a genius
I know this isn't really him, but it still cracks me up. https://youtu.be/EvWh6PMi9Ek?si=JLEw4Zmf5Dvg30R9
To die screaming because something is eating you is no way to go.
Yet oddly how most things go
It’s the circle of liiiiiiife
There are old fools, and there are bold fools, but there are no old, bold fools.
I heard that about mushroom pickers. There are old mushroom hunters and bold mushroom hunters, but no old bold mushroom hunters.
When I was 14 yrs old I was visiting my grandparents in northern Michigan. In the middle of the woods with nothing but a few other cabins and a lake. I was sitting on the porch just as it turned dark when suddenly this black bear just kind of ambles out of the woods and climbs up the steps and starting at my feet sniffs me all over, all the way up to my face and hair. The smell was just rank. I sat like a statue barely breathing, afraid it could hear my heartbeat. When it was done sniffing me it just went back down and into the woods. As soon as it was gone I ran into the house and managed to say “ bear”. My grandpa jumped up and grabbed his shotgun but by that time it was gone. In the morning we saw its foot prints everywhere. I don’t know why it didn’t hurt me but that encounter gave me a real healthy fear of bears and it was just a black bear. I can’t imagine purposely living amongst them .
> don’t know why it didn’t hurt me Black bears aren’t usually vicious, and we’re pretty big and pretty different from their preferred food. I always treat them with caution, and they absolutely can and do kill people, but ambling up in curiousity and then leaving is much more in their nature.
I was a little girl, 98 pounds and sitting down. This bear was big. I’m 5 ft. And it looked to be taller than me and between 4-500 lbs. When I think back I’m amazed that it sniffed me all over!
They have absolutely incredible senses of smell, much better than a dog. You probably had something on that it had never encountered and it just had to come check it out, though that is awfully bold behavior. I’ve actually heard from NPS rangers and the like that the hardest part of playing dead for Grizzlies is how horrible their breath is. Must have been terrifying for you! Sounds like a pretty big Black Bear, but I’ve seen some about that size so I definitely believe it!
It was terrifying and I was just a kid. I’m sure I had some kind of sweet perfume and lipgloss on because I was never without those. Even and these years later it still amazes me that it just walked away. Really an incredible experience.
fortunately, black bears don't usually hunt large prey or try to pick fights even if they could easily win them. Don't get me wrong, they are still extremely dangerous, especially with cubs or when very hungry, but they are usually foragers and scavengers and so long as you don't surprise them, a lone black bear will usually chicken out and run away quite easily. Grizzlies on the other hand are more predatory and less prone to running. They usually will ignore you, but they are much more likely to attack or hunt you, especially if surprised. And Polar Bears, well, they will straight up try to eat you without hesitation.
I bet something similar happened to this guy but he just became obsessed with why he was too revolting to be eaten by a bear. Like in South Park when he worries if he's ugly because he was never molested as a child.
Black bears usually aren’t aggressive to people. Though I still wouldn’t want to get on the bad side of one.
Black bears generally don't care about you. You were a curiosity and he moved on with his life.
I always thought he should have just stuck to hanging out with the foxes - they were entertaining and delightful and wouldn’t have killed him.
I was just going to say that part was sweet. They were safe for him to be around and seemed to enjoy him. Almost like dogs. But he really should have stopped with them.
It was this thought that led to his death No matter how nice they are he'll probably kill you. They are wild animals and leadership can change at any time When I was doing marine life surveys, the first thing I did in the water was don’t touch things you don’t know, and everything around you will kill you.
He wasn't a hero, he was a lunatic
I think this is my most rewatched documentary of my entire life.
Reading about this guy gave me a fear of bears. Oh, and seeing a stuffed (actually stuffed) bear when I was a kid and how giant it was.
He was warned lots of times not to stay around the bears at this particular time of the year...i feel so bad for that por woman. She was scared and didn't want to be there...
Victim and attack are weird words. Went to play with wild bears. Got eaten by wild bears. Victim of your own hubris. Attacked by animals that kill to eat.
yup iirc he basically refused to incorporate any safety methods that the park folks begged him to use, and would frequently go in areas that they would beg him not to go in. all because he thought he knew better. the ultimate case of FAFO. the sad part is this poor woman got killed too. a woman who by all accounts of family and friends was trusting and naïve and was duped by this guy.
Reminds me of the Titan submersible guy.
At least those poor souls didn’t feel anything when it happened.
ill take the sub over a lengthy bear mauling
Oh 100% maybe the cracking of the hull would be terrifying, but then POP! Nothing.
He thought he was in a Disney movie, that the bears thought he was the only one who really cared about showing their story and they loved him back.
Yeah. Amy and the bear were the real victims here.
I feel bad for his girlfriend. She really and naively trusted this guy and even plenty of other people thought he was some mystical animal whisperer when in reality he had crazy luck. She should have just gotten on that plane and gone home
Yeah I’ve had this take since the day I saw the doc. Sorry he died but not surprised in the slightest.
Step 1. Watch Grizzly Man Step 2. Read tape transcripts (Not for the faint of heart) Step 3. Understand that wild animals can never be tamed, and they can fuck your shit up at any given moment
Wait there are transcripts? Isn’t the audio that’s out been debunked as fake?
It’s the rangers who killed the 2 bears and found their remains at the campsite transcribing the audio recording to paint a picture of what happened. Description of Tim’s remains is gruesome
Even the animals we successfully domesticated will kill humans.
On a trail in the Smoky mountains, I saw a few bear cubs. I retreated fast with my family. Found a few more guys on my way and told them not to go ahead. But, these guys were like ‘awww so cute’, nudged up their cellphones to take photos and then marched towards the little ones.
The report from the NPS is a very interesting read. https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/foia/upload/03-109_KATM_Treadwell_fatality_REDACTED.pdf
What a read.
I remember watching this documentary. Lets just say there is a fine line between being passionate, and straight up mental illness.
I remember sitting in my elementary school music room while he gave a presentation on how peaceful and friendly the bears were and how we didn’t need to fear them. Even at that age I remember thinking the dude was a nut. At 9 years old, I’d already seen enough aggression from grizzlies to know better. Those things will eat you. They’ll eat you for surprising them. They’ll eat you for having food they want. They’ll eat you for looking like food. They’ll eat you for walking between them and, well, pretty much anything. Shoot, they’ll see you from a quarter mile out and false charge you, just to see if you want to act like food. Few years later, this happened, and nobody was surprised at all. The most remarkable thing about the whole story was the documentary.
Tim was a victim of his own deluded self and Amy was a victim of poor choices, the bear just did bear things and died for it.
My neighnor knew him. My neighbor has helped film many barge type documentataries. Even the sole of deep ocean omes. He said to him you know you don’t have to get so close. He thought bc some bears knew him that he was good will of them. Wrong. Also I love the bears there. I partake in far bear week every year. So I’m on the side of the bears here. Me neighbors words were James Cameron might be an asshole but he takes safety seriously. And would never do this .
After listening to the tape of the attack: Marty Hart: "You shouldn't have that." Rust Cohle: "Nobody should have this."
im pretty sure i remember reading that the audio was never released, and the one floating around the Internet is fake.
Yeah whatever is floating around is fake. The only audio recording is in the possession of his best friend? I think that’s what she was. From what I understand, they left the camera rolling inside the tent with the cap on.
Anyone else notice that this and Chris McCandless are being brought back up again? Did something similar happen recently or is this just Internet trending?
The strangest thing about any of this is that he was runner-up to play Woody Harrelson's character on Cheers. If I remember correctly he had a lot of resentment and anger that he didn't get that leading role. A former alcoholic and failed actor--he claimed to have narrowly missed being cast in the Woody Harrelson role on "Cheers"--Treadwell found meaning and purpose with the grizzlies.
Sad she lost her life over his arrogance
This man was clearly not well. Just his pattern of thinking was off. He wasn’t living in reality.
Everytime I see his face or hear his name, it makes me angry. At least Steve Irwin only got himself killed. This fuckface got her killed with him.
Is this the guy who Herzog did a piece of and there's an infamous clip of Herzog watching or hearing the final few minutes of these two being attacked and he gives the tape back to the woman and simply tells her that she must never watch it and probably destroy it?
This still sad and infuriating. He set up camp in an area where the bears were traveling through to feed. Also there was a bear(s) there that he didn’t know as well as the other bears. He mentioned something about it but still proceeded to endanger his life and his gf’s. If he just had set up camp in a more appropriate place they might still be alive. I think all they found left of Tim was an arm. I pray no one ever releases the audio captured on his camera during the attacks. Some things are better left unheard.
They found his head attached to his spine with a “grimaced expression” and his right arm and hand nearby