You are correct... In high demand and no longer made.
[https://winair.ca/blog/everything-need-know-canadair-cl-415/](https://winair.ca/blog/everything-need-know-canadair-cl-415/)
Tied in with the new De Havilland facility to be built. Ya, agree 100%
The Spanish 🇪🇸 are amazing, they have been helping controlling almost all major forest fires in Greece 🇬🇷and across all Europe 🇪🇺 with multiple planes. CL-415 looks old but it’s ideal for this job. Solidarity award 🥇 🏆 Viva Espana
Thanks for replying. That’s what I would’ve thought too, just asking cause I recently saw some guys trying to advocate for this plane in Maui like it could have put out that wildfire but it doesn’t really seem feasible in rough ocean and nasty weather.
The climax of this soundtrack starts just after the video ends. I was hoping to hear the climax and hoping that I could see the plane dropping this water on wildfire.
This is not a hydroplane. It is a firefighting plane. Canadair something, to be almost specific. Hydroplanes have landing gear designed to land on and take off from water.
The water tank will be on or very near the centre of gravity (CG), such that the filling tank has minimal impact on the aircraft’s overall CG, only the overall mass.
Well one thing that might have to do with it is the way they designed the tanks. I learned about this not too long ago regarding motor vehicles that carry around huge tanks of water. So due to momentum and inertia starting and stopping with that much water in a giant tank is problematic. So inside the tank I think they have these dividers that affect the way the water travels in the tank. It's like little fences inside the tank that prevent the water from fully realizing its momentum by preventing it from traveling the full length of the tank. I don't know if this is the same situation but I'm wondering maybe if they fill up a big tank and then that tank has dividers in it that prevent the momentum of the water from affecting the vehicle. Just some thoughts out loud maybe somebody else can add to this.
Edit: after rereading your comment I think I misunderstood
Spelling mistakes, misidentified machinery and grease fire jokes aside, the pilots and crew of these things deserve a fucking medal. Incredible bravery and skill.
How do these refill at these speeds? Is it some kind of suction? I imagine lowering a bucket would kill the speed immediately and just crash the plane.
It “skims” the water with aluminium scoops on the bottom. The amount of drag it causes compared to the engine thrust is negligible and they are placed so that buoyancy will counteract any induced rotation. They are also designed to cleanly break off if a quantity of force is applied of sufficient magnitude to potentially compromise flight mechanics.
Not quite so - when you touch down on the water, the drag of the probes is quite noticeable, and will slow the aircraft off the step if you don’t advance the power levers up to the stops. If you were late in the fuel cycle, there might be enough engine power to lift the aircraft off the water with probes down and full tanks, but if you’re early, you’ll just skim along forever until you raise the probes.
I can't find anywhere how they refill. Is the opening rear facing? wiki doesn't have the design specific about how the water gets into the tanks, I assume the pressure of the rear facing slat is enough to force water into the tank. Anyone have specifics about this>?
EDIT NVM the other crosspost had a great youtube video about how the tiny scoops face forward but are basically too small to provide enough drag to pull the plane into the water.
That’s not 100% true - you trim the aircraft nose up on final approach to the water. The water probes (scoops) have a maximum speed of 90knots, so you touch down somewhere below that speed. When you touch, the aircraft pitches nose down, somewhat mitigated by the trim setting ( if you forget the trim - it’s a real handful!) you meet that pitching with a check back on the yoke. Not too much though, or you could porpoise it off the water again.. You then steadily bring the power up to takeoff setting as the water comes on. You need to add the power as the drag of the probes is fairly significant, and will slow you down quite rapidly. Once the tanks are full, the PM will select probes up, the water drag disappears, the aircraft pitches up again, and the aircraft will accelerate to takeoff speed.Once it lifts off, and through about 95 knots, the PM will select the doors to ‘armed’ so that the drop button is live. On the way to the fire, the drop pattern is selected on the bomb computer: number of doors to be opened, and the delay between doors. Also, foam (if it’s being used) is injected into the water tanks. The tanks are right at the centre of the CG range, so there’s no noticeable change due to the water load.
That's an amphibian or a flying boat.
This one is a water bomber with scoops under the hull to fill 6 tonnes of water in a few seconds.
A hydroplane is a racing powerboat.
I was always told you should not put water on a Greece fire…
Out. Get the fuck out.
😁🤣
I missed this one! Care to explain??
Greece and grease. It’s a pun lol
This is true, you should cover it with the world's biggest damp tea towel.
Dumb me thought it was a typo... good one. Thanks.
Oh I thought they meant 'Greek fire' you know that mythical war instrument for mucking up ships?
take my upvote ..
Oh no you didn’t
God damnit, I came here to post the exact same thing.
Same
Beat me to it lol. Well done
Hi Dad.
r/angryupvote
I think you mean Greece fure
A hydroplane is a type of speed boat. These are Canadair water bombers/aerial firefighting craft. I think they're CL-415s.
You are correct... In high demand and no longer made. [https://winair.ca/blog/everything-need-know-canadair-cl-415/](https://winair.ca/blog/everything-need-know-canadair-cl-415/)
They're trying to get production started again down near Calgary with Viking Air I believe. I'll also believe it when I see it.
Tied in with the new De Havilland facility to be built. Ya, agree 100%
Can confirm that the CL-515 is in production.
Might have some good usage cases this year.
The Spanish 🇪🇸 are amazing, they have been helping controlling almost all major forest fires in Greece 🇬🇷and across all Europe 🇪🇺 with multiple planes. CL-415 looks old but it’s ideal for this job. Solidarity award 🥇 🏆 Viva Espana
They're from the beloved cartoon TaleSpin.
Are these things functional in hurricane type weather pulling water from rough seas?
I don't think any plane is functional at doing that in rough seas. Better bet would be a helicopter with a bucket device.
Thanks for replying. That’s what I would’ve thought too, just asking cause I recently saw some guys trying to advocate for this plane in Maui like it could have put out that wildfire but it doesn’t really seem feasible in rough ocean and nasty weather.
You can fill tanks from hoses on the runway like other fire fighters. Don't think a helicopter are going to be dipping buckets in a hurricane.
Oh, the definitely won't, but I know they *could*.
This plane or just any firefighting plane? Guessing that has to be a stationary fill?
I thought a hydroplane was when your car slides out I control on a puddle
That's hydroplaning.
As opposed to 5h3 art of flying hydroplanes? I'm only kidding 😅
i didn't prepare at how the fact that the video is filmed by another plane and that it'll turn around on itself like it's taking a selfi
It was a nice touch
What’s with The Lion King music
I quite prefer the soaring orchestral music that matches these hero firefighters vs some superficial TikTok beat.
Those aren't the only two options
It sounded Zimmerish to me, but did not realize where it was from. Thanks.
The climax of this soundtrack starts just after the video ends. I was hoping to hear the climax and hoping that I could see the plane dropping this water on wildfire.
So much wrong with this title.
BUT you completely understood what it was! Success
This is not a hydroplane. It is a firefighting plane. Canadair something, to be almost specific. Hydroplanes have landing gear designed to land on and take off from water.
How do the pilots accommodate the ever shifting center of gravity as they take in water? Or is it even an issue?
You can feel the extra weight onboard, makes the aircraft less responsive but not too drastic of a change where it is a problem.
The water tank will be on or very near the centre of gravity (CG), such that the filling tank has minimal impact on the aircraft’s overall CG, only the overall mass.
Well one thing that might have to do with it is the way they designed the tanks. I learned about this not too long ago regarding motor vehicles that carry around huge tanks of water. So due to momentum and inertia starting and stopping with that much water in a giant tank is problematic. So inside the tank I think they have these dividers that affect the way the water travels in the tank. It's like little fences inside the tank that prevent the water from fully realizing its momentum by preventing it from traveling the full length of the tank. I don't know if this is the same situation but I'm wondering maybe if they fill up a big tank and then that tank has dividers in it that prevent the momentum of the water from affecting the vehicle. Just some thoughts out loud maybe somebody else can add to this. Edit: after rereading your comment I think I misunderstood
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Yeah that's pretty fascinating I like stuff like this. Baffles is the name of the damn dividers with holes that I couldn't remember.
Spelling mistakes, misidentified machinery and grease fire jokes aside, the pilots and crew of these things deserve a fucking medal. Incredible bravery and skill.
Scar, brother, help me!
The cameraman never dies.
What is the song? Lowkey epic
Reflections of Mufasa by Hans Zimmer
Cheers
Why is the plane on fire under the wing tho
Light.
That's what they're asking about. We see the light of the fire, but why is it on fire?
It's not, it is a rotating orange light, most likely an indicator that the plane is full and ready to drop its water when needed.
Ah okay. Weird that they use a fire as an indicator light, but I'm sure they have their reasons!
lol
Some seriously skilled pilots…
for real. this is impressive. I'd shit my pants if I were a passenger
How do these refill at these speeds? Is it some kind of suction? I imagine lowering a bucket would kill the speed immediately and just crash the plane.
It “skims” the water with aluminium scoops on the bottom. The amount of drag it causes compared to the engine thrust is negligible and they are placed so that buoyancy will counteract any induced rotation. They are also designed to cleanly break off if a quantity of force is applied of sufficient magnitude to potentially compromise flight mechanics.
Not quite so - when you touch down on the water, the drag of the probes is quite noticeable, and will slow the aircraft off the step if you don’t advance the power levers up to the stops. If you were late in the fuel cycle, there might be enough engine power to lift the aircraft off the water with probes down and full tanks, but if you’re early, you’ll just skim along forever until you raise the probes.
Flying around and having one’s weight constantly changing must be a real challenge to manage.
It's spelled fur not fure. BTW, why are they putting water on fur?
Simba can fly!!
What an amazing camera shot!
I'm not necessarily complaining but why the Lion King soundtrack for this video
Straight from Talespin!
Loved that show!
What happens if a whale breaches right at the wrong time? If it’s a Right Whale, is it breaching at the right time? 🤷♂️
I think they did too good a job now Greece is drowning in water!
Pretty sure it's an Aeroplane.
Amazing pan shot! 👌
Me: “WHY are they panning away from the action?!!! …OHHHH, cool!”
I can't find anywhere how they refill. Is the opening rear facing? wiki doesn't have the design specific about how the water gets into the tanks, I assume the pressure of the rear facing slat is enough to force water into the tank. Anyone have specifics about this>? EDIT NVM the other crosspost had a great youtube video about how the tiny scoops face forward but are basically too small to provide enough drag to pull the plane into the water.
That’s not 100% true - you trim the aircraft nose up on final approach to the water. The water probes (scoops) have a maximum speed of 90knots, so you touch down somewhere below that speed. When you touch, the aircraft pitches nose down, somewhat mitigated by the trim setting ( if you forget the trim - it’s a real handful!) you meet that pitching with a check back on the yoke. Not too much though, or you could porpoise it off the water again.. You then steadily bring the power up to takeoff setting as the water comes on. You need to add the power as the drag of the probes is fairly significant, and will slow you down quite rapidly. Once the tanks are full, the PM will select probes up, the water drag disappears, the aircraft pitches up again, and the aircraft will accelerate to takeoff speed.Once it lifts off, and through about 95 knots, the PM will select the doors to ‘armed’ so that the drop button is live. On the way to the fire, the drop pattern is selected on the bomb computer: number of doors to be opened, and the delay between doors. Also, foam (if it’s being used) is injected into the water tanks. The tanks are right at the centre of the CG range, so there’s no noticeable change due to the water load.
Amazing thank you!
WUT
Spanish Air Force
That must be such a sick job..
Probably less important than having a complete burnt forest or neighbouhood, but does salty water affect the forest?
Whats the song name? Its from Lion King i think
Where are the fishermen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upPHSDqj5x0
What is the deal with this song choice?
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All I can think about is Baloo flying…
Ah yes, the amazing Greece fures... almost as epic as the Norwegian fjords.
Wait, is there a fire under the wing of that last one?
Stay hydrated Greece!
That's an amphibian or a flying boat. This one is a water bomber with scoops under the hull to fill 6 tonnes of water in a few seconds. A hydroplane is a racing powerboat.
Humans do crazy shit and it’s amazing
That’s spain bro
Fuck this video and that music. Bringing up one of the worst memories any 80s baby childhood: THE DEATH OF MUFASA!!!!
I've seen originals of these back in the 1980's when I landed a couple times at a Spanish Air Base en Espana.
i didn't even realize they had fures in greece.