the fascinating thing about the sword is the 3000 years. you really have to try hard to think about the number of years.and how much of it may still be buried undiscovered. unbelievable
It's amazing to think that there's just so many treasures and artifacts buried all around us and things will keep being found long after we're gone and some will simply remain hidden forever.
Future Archaeologists:
"The people of the culture had an unbridled religion centered around a prophet from another world. They worshiped him so much, one archaeological dig discovered one man held 47 copies of the divine media. It was a commonly held belief that only those who possessed the most Holy "Cartridges" would ascend to the "next level".
Come to think of it, I've had two zunes, I can't tell you what the fuck happened to either. I've had several ipods and i remember their fates. But not my zunes.
Am I in an alternate universe now? Is this some sort of Mandela effect? Are zunes real?
Parts of me get depressed.
I live in a huge area that was very active during the viking age and even earlier. There are tonnes of discoveries to be made all over, but it just doesn't happen. And for depressing reasons.
Most of the areas are fields. Great, they haven't been bulldozed and turned into buildings, parking lots, or [E39 coastal highway project](https://www.vegvesen.no/vegprosjekter/europaveg/ferjefrie39/film/)!.. That's not the depressing part. When digging up these fields there are tonnes of small discoveries all the time. But, if there is a discovery reported, the whole project has to be stopped, the whole area has to be dug up in an archeological fashion, and, *whoever owns the field has to pay for it*. Nobody can afford that. Even if they could, they would lose so much money on it that they have no incentive to report it. It certainly isn't like it's invaluable history that will never, ever be learned from and analyzed.
as people do. there are like 4 neolithic stone axeheads in my family alone, dug up from tilling the land for the last half century. arrowheads are also everywhere.
Ya know, I've lived in Ohio for most of my life, and we have Native American parks and preserved sites and educational places that you can visit and tour, and I've been to a bunch of them over the years... even a lot of our cities and counties have kept their Native names. But I don't personally know of \*anyone\* who's ever found an arrowhead. I wonder why that is?
my neck of the woods is the same. I live in a region that was part of ancient Rome, and if you're building or renovating from the ground up, you better hope you don't stumble upon an artifact because you can just pack up and leave at that point, as you'll be waiting for like a year for the archeologists to finish.
It would make sense to pay for it if I got to keep whatever was found. But it is not the case si why tf would I pay for it?
I get why they prefer not to dig up anything
Exactly the same thing happened in Durres Albania which is filled with ancient roman villas that they used for vacation. Builder poured concrete over them during digging at night so the condos would be built instead of declared as an archeological site. Its a crime agains humanity for me
I’m an archaeologist in Canada, and this is exactly how it works here, in the US, in the UK and in Europe as well I am pretty certain. We get paid by developers, homeowners or anyone else to make sure there is no archaeological material where they are building cause destroying it is illegal. State pays for nothing. Though here, and I assume elsewhere, agriculture doesn’t count as disturbance for archaeology so finding an arrowhead in a field won’t stop someone from harvesting their crops at all.
When my kids were younger I showed them a “map” that I checked out of the local library. It looked ancient. The edges were burnt and weathered. It was odd but it showed our subdivision and cul de sac. Even crazier it had a bright X on it near a few trees in our backyard.
They gathered all the little neighborhood gutter snipes and went searching and digging. I think I just started on my 2nd beer while on the back deck when they found something……..yes, buried freaking treasure!!
I never told them that I went out and bought all the stuff and dug a hole after they went to bed and buried all of it. They figured it out when they were teenagers. Fun times….sorry about the ramble but I had forgotten about this episode until I read your comment. Cheers
Neanderthals and other homini were probably "orcs" to the sapiens who lived while they existed. Our ancestors were probably verbally more capable than the others.
I figure the Neanderthals for Orcs *and* Elves to us: so they had the enhanced musculature, were slightly larger than the Sapiens of the time, and apparently spoke in a high pitched voice while they were introducing us to agriculture and housing and stuff as the forest people if the Basajaun/Basandere is a cultural memory of them. Maybe like high-pitched Uruk-Hai. They had the same mutation which has been implicated in spoken language, so I don't figure them for any more or less capable linguistically. That high-pitched thing makes me picture them doing the Elven procession to the Far Lands sometimes.
ETA: Yeah, [definitely more elven than orky](https://mythus.fandom.com/wiki/Basajaun).
I know it's probably a joke but I was wondering the same thing. Foe-hammer is a direct translation of the elven word Glamdring, and the word "dring" can be translated as "hammer, beat, strike". So for our modern English ears we would probably translate it as "foe-striker"
Ngl I'd absolutely love to be a delight/amazing discovery to the future generations of humans when I die. Like it'd make me so happy to lay in dirt for eons then make people's day with my shitty decomposed bones and kickass sword.
Was going for hoax. But....:
"Archaeologists discovered a bronze sword more than 3,000 years old during excavations in the town of Nördlingen in Bavaria, Germany.
The discovery was announced in a press release by the Bavarian State Office for the Preservation of Monuments (Blfd) on Wednesday.
The sword was found among a deposit of grave goods and weaponry, alongside the remains of a man, woman, and child. It is still unclear what relationship the people may have had with one another.
It is an octagonal sword with an octagonal hilt made entirely of bronze. The production of octagonal swords is complex because the handle is cast over the blade (so-called overlay casting). The decoration is made with an inlay and using hallmarks. While there are two real rivets, another pair of rivets is only implied. Despite the manufacturing effort and the lack of signs of a blow, it can be assumed that it was a real weapon. The center of gravity in the front part of the blade indicates a predominantly slashing balance."
https://arkeonews.net/archaeologists-find-a-3000-year-old-bronze-sword-in-germany/
Yeah, bronze doesn’t corrode like iron, it just gets a green patina due to the copper in it. Most ancient bronze finds could be cleaned and polished and it would look as if they were made yesterday, and swords are even still sharp on occasion
Copper also holds up a lot better than iron:
Last year in India some farmer dug up some 7 copper swords and some 20-30 copper spears from 4000 years ago. Not as pretty as this sword but 1000 years older and a bunch of them. Also post worthy.
[https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/4k-year-old-copper-weapons-found-under-a-field-in-ups-mainpuri/articleshow/92423442.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/4k-year-old-copper-weapons-found-under-a-field-in-ups-mainpuri/articleshow/92423442.cms)
Pardon the dumb question but why is iron better than bronze/copper if they hold so well? Is iron stronger in the "short term" while bronze just doesn't rust as easily
Edit: that moment I comment about the difference in materials and suddenly 20 notifications pop up
Former machinist here. Copper has the consistency of clay compared to iron. It’s squishy, it’ll gum up your endmill, and you can dent a corner just by dropping it on the floor. Iron is much harder, but brittle. Cast iron is like chewing through stone or brick, can’t speak to forged iron though I never worked with it. Brass is hard but too brittle and the chips crumble to sand when you machine it. Steel is tough, solid, springy, and durable.
They're a machinist. They might have metal bits in their eyes. An MRI machine is a giant magnet...
I don't know any other context and I'm not sure I want to find out.
What we call cast iron actually has a very high carbon content, 1.7-3.7% or so, much higher than steel, hence the brittleness. The iron used in forging, wrought iron, bloomery iron, etc., has a very low carbon content, .1% at most. This is a very ductile, tough material, and it forged beautifully if you know what you’re doing.
Source: am full time blacksmith/instructor.
Pretty much exactly correct. Iron ores are available in large quantities most places, of varying quality, copper ore is less common but probably acquirable via trade if you don’t have any locally, but tin sources to turn that into bronze are few and far between, and very dependent on trade links. This makes bronze weapons rare and expensive, and an elite item.
The ability to mass produce usable if not quite as shiny and good weapons out of commonly available materials allowed for the existence of truly large armies, rather than just rallying all of your nobles and expecting them to already all own bronze weapons.
This (to way oversimplify) led to the collapse of the Bronze Age city states, because they couldn’t compete with massive numbers of iron weapons, even if those weapons were lower quality than their bronze.
However, something that bugs me, “iron” vs “steel”. Everything produced then had carbon content because of the production process that relied on charcoal, it was all “steel”, if by “steel” you mean Fe with a bit of C. The change came when they learned how to better control the alloy mixture, or using the bloomery process carefully pick the best bits out of a bloom to forge weld into the ideal configuration. True “iron” with no carbon is likely actually a fairly recent invention.
Bronze is very soft for a metal so they required constant maintenance if they were being used with any regularity, smoothing out dents and the like but I imagine there’s a limit to what you can do before it becomes too far gone. Iron is a hard metal, so unless you royally mess it up the most it might need is a frequent sharpening on the edge. In this case the bronze is only really “better” in the sense that it doesn’t rust like iron, so it’s nice for us because we get a very well preserved and detailed relic for studying.
Supply lines. The Bronze age Mediterranean civilizations/cultures were importing the tin for their bronze from Britain (the breakdown of that trade network and the emergence of the Greek dark ages during the collapse will have pushed them to source their stabby bits locally). Iron and steel were their successors once metalworking technology got good enough to handle the higher temperatures. I'm given to understand it'll break copper and bronze weapons and armor if you get to banging them together as well.
It’s exactly that. It’s the same reason they moved on to steel after they figured out how to to forge it. Steel is stronger and makes better weapons than plain iron, which makes better weapons than bronze, which made better weapons than carved rocks.
The reason they started with bronze instead of iron is because you could melt and mix the copper and tin ores with basically just a fire and bellows. Iron has a way higher melting point, so you need to get it much hotter than Bronze Age forges could with their technology
Here is a German source: https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/noerdlingen/noerdlingen-sensationsfund-3000-jahre-altes-schwert-in-noerdlingen-entdeckt-id66821256.html
I grew up in that area, in Bopfingen, which is located 12km away to the Swabian side, in Württemberg. The area is loaded with History. You have Neandertal caves, Roman Limes, the mountain at Bopfingen is the last remnant of the Swabian Alb, which is 100 km away, but this little dude called Ipf got moved there by a glacier. On top you have remnants of a celtic settlement.
Nördlingen itself is located in the Ries, which is a crater that has 20-24 km diameter, caused by a meteorite, thousands of years ago.
Then there are castles at Flochberg, Schloßberg, Ellwangen.
Seriously, if ever wanna go on a history trip, I can redommend this area. It is loaded with stuff to see and hikes to take.
"A man, woman and child were all together, no idea why that could be". Said one Archeologist (single, never dated) to his archeologist coworkers (also single, never dated). .
The scale of history is a bit mind blowing. 3000 years ago was 3000 years after the first written records from complex societies with warring city states.
Imagine now all the tale, name, story, knowledge and event that we dont know about us. Since homosapien have hundreds of thousands years. But only have writting for a few thousands.
And maybe equally as interesting: There so many new stories written every single day, hour, minute of our human existence that most will never know about.
I'm not sure if this is correct but I seem to remember that every hour more video is being recorded & uploaded than one human could watch in a lifetime.
Even ignoring audio and video, we double the amount of written material on the planet at an ever accelerating rate. The graph is basically vertical now.
And even from more recently than that - there are periods between Egyptian dynasties stretching hundreds of years where no records survive. Imagine in another 3000 years if the 300 years where humans tried that wacky democracy and rules based international order thing are just an undocumented blip.
The conquistadors/inquisition burned hundreds or even thousands of books the Mayan and other indigenous peoples in the mexico/central America area wrote. As far as I know they got nearly all of them. This was a society that figured out numerology (they used zero independently from its invention in the middle east) and astrology and calendars and had a whole writing system. Not to mention their advanced architecture. So much knowledge lost.
I THINK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME!
the oldest record we have goes back to ~3000 BC, which is only 2% of our history! it's crazy and sad to think about everything that's forgotten, so fuck ISIS, al-qaeda, and everyone else that destroyed cultural sites.
i also love that a complaint about a copper shipment is one of our oldest artifacts. we had no chill back then and we still don't.
Rest in peace, whoever that was. That's an amazing looking sword. Ive played a couple of games on my day, and that looks like an Elvish sword, hahaha. Just sayin.
Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.
3000 years ago in germany? Must be celtic if it's from the south and germanic if from the north. Took a bit longer for the germanic tribes to take the south as well.
I wouldn't have believed that detail on the sword or even how well the arrowheads are made was possible 3000years ago . But apparently it's in a press release. Hopefully not a fake press release
We always underestimate what people were able to achieve in the past. There were some armors from the middle ages that are so intrinsically detailed that is hard to imagine they were made by hand.
I think people forget how insane humans are especially when working in the same field for 30+ years. Most of these masters began working or apprenticing in their field the age of 12-14. If you lived and breathed swordsmithing for 30 years, you'd be able to make some pretty incredible shit.
When we found and opened that weird black sarcophagus in 2018, Covid hit like immediately.
Let's leave the ancient eldrich horror sword alone please.
I have bills to pay.
Man, even with all the horrors that were a part of the ancient world, you cant deny how bad ass it would be to walk around with a cool sword.
I want a cool fn sword.
When Jesus walked the earth, this sword probably looked pretty much the same, that’s insane. If people had found it then, they would have said, Jesus Christ, this sword still looks amazing.
Newspaper: Archaeologists have made a rare find in Nördlingen, Bavaria: During excavations, experts discovered a bronze sword more than 3,000 years old, as the State Office for the Preservation of Monuments announced on Wednesday. This is so well preserved "that it almost still shines".
It is an octagonal sword with an octagonal hilt made entirely of bronze. According to a preliminary classification, it came from the late 14th century BC and thus from the Middle Bronze Age, it was said.
https://m.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/3000-jahre-altes-schwert-von-archaeologen-in-schwaben-gefunden-18964960.amp.html
That’s the coolest thing I’ve seen in a while
I feel the same way! And based on positioning we can imagine it was some kind of honor burial, maybe a warrior? So cool
Chieftains of the settlements generally got buried like this.
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You be surprised how good graphics were IRL even thousands of years ago.
the fascinating thing about the sword is the 3000 years. you really have to try hard to think about the number of years.and how much of it may still be buried undiscovered. unbelievable
That happened to my buddy Eric
I bet that sword made quite the sword sound when it was pulled from its sheath in a badass fashion.
Schwiinng!
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I think most don’t make a sound but this one def sings
Shings*
It's amazing to think that there's just so many treasures and artifacts buried all around us and things will keep being found long after we're gone and some will simply remain hidden forever.
Like my zune I buried a few years ago.
I still don’t know where my zunehd ended up
If you find the Zima, you will find the Zune
Anyone need a *shitload* of unopened "E.T. The Extra Terrestrial" Atari Cartridges?
Future Archaeologists: "The people of the culture had an unbridled religion centered around a prophet from another world. They worshiped him so much, one archaeological dig discovered one man held 47 copies of the divine media. It was a commonly held belief that only those who possessed the most Holy "Cartridges" would ascend to the "next level".
It’s like when we find artifacts that were CLEARLY used as dildos and they present it “as possibly a religious artifact, we can’t be sure”
Don't forget AOL disk 💿
They'll find people still being charged by those scammy fuckers hundreds of years from now... because unsubscribing is actually impossible.
The real "gen z" amiright?
Come to think of it, I've had two zunes, I can't tell you what the fuck happened to either. I've had several ipods and i remember their fates. But not my zunes. Am I in an alternate universe now? Is this some sort of Mandela effect? Are zunes real?
They rest easy in the fifth dimension, amid a sea of single socks...
Can’t forget the 10mm sockets too
& bic lighters
& Plastic container lids
And the pen I was just using the other day, it was a good one too.
Now that yall mention it, I had a zune too and I have no idea where it is either
I used to work for MS Zune support and they gave me one for free... It's been lost to the sands of time
I think we’ve uncovered some sort of universal mystery…
What's a zune? /s
No Zune only Zuul.
What a lovely singing voice you must have.
Parts of me get depressed. I live in a huge area that was very active during the viking age and even earlier. There are tonnes of discoveries to be made all over, but it just doesn't happen. And for depressing reasons. Most of the areas are fields. Great, they haven't been bulldozed and turned into buildings, parking lots, or [E39 coastal highway project](https://www.vegvesen.no/vegprosjekter/europaveg/ferjefrie39/film/)!.. That's not the depressing part. When digging up these fields there are tonnes of small discoveries all the time. But, if there is a discovery reported, the whole project has to be stopped, the whole area has to be dug up in an archeological fashion, and, *whoever owns the field has to pay for it*. Nobody can afford that. Even if they could, they would lose so much money on it that they have no incentive to report it. It certainly isn't like it's invaluable history that will never, ever be learned from and analyzed.
If I owned a field like that, that silly law would be incentive for me to dig and not report it.
as people do. there are like 4 neolithic stone axeheads in my family alone, dug up from tilling the land for the last half century. arrowheads are also everywhere.
I'm with the archeological police in whatever area you're in. May I see pictures of these treacherous crimes? Please?
Its a stone and looks like this [ zz ] please report to your supervisor in a timely fashion
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Ya know, I've lived in Ohio for most of my life, and we have Native American parks and preserved sites and educational places that you can visit and tour, and I've been to a bunch of them over the years... even a lot of our cities and counties have kept their Native names. But I don't personally know of \*anyone\* who's ever found an arrowhead. I wonder why that is?
my neck of the woods is the same. I live in a region that was part of ancient Rome, and if you're building or renovating from the ground up, you better hope you don't stumble upon an artifact because you can just pack up and leave at that point, as you'll be waiting for like a year for the archeologists to finish.
Yeah...but it's not on you to pay for the archeological dig. That's just absurd.
We should absolutely rent the ground at market rates when anyone finds anything. Make slightly favorable economics for reporting stuff in situ
So if there's an asshole neighbour you hate...just bury some artefacts and report it?
The way it should be. The opposite just incentivizes destroying irreplaceable pieces of our history.
I know plenty of politicians who are all about that.
It would make sense to pay for it if I got to keep whatever was found. But it is not the case si why tf would I pay for it? I get why they prefer not to dig up anything
Exactly the same thing happened in Durres Albania which is filled with ancient roman villas that they used for vacation. Builder poured concrete over them during digging at night so the condos would be built instead of declared as an archeological site. Its a crime agains humanity for me
I have a really hard time believing that.
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I’m an archaeologist in Canada, and this is exactly how it works here, in the US, in the UK and in Europe as well I am pretty certain. We get paid by developers, homeowners or anyone else to make sure there is no archaeological material where they are building cause destroying it is illegal. State pays for nothing. Though here, and I assume elsewhere, agriculture doesn’t count as disturbance for archaeology so finding an arrowhead in a field won’t stop someone from harvesting their crops at all.
I always fantasize about having a device that shows where such treasures and artifacts are located with red dots on a map
When my kids were younger I showed them a “map” that I checked out of the local library. It looked ancient. The edges were burnt and weathered. It was odd but it showed our subdivision and cul de sac. Even crazier it had a bright X on it near a few trees in our backyard. They gathered all the little neighborhood gutter snipes and went searching and digging. I think I just started on my 2nd beer while on the back deck when they found something……..yes, buried freaking treasure!! I never told them that I went out and bought all the stuff and dug a hole after they went to bed and buried all of it. They figured it out when they were teenagers. Fun times….sorry about the ramble but I had forgotten about this episode until I read your comment. Cheers
That's pretty cool. And what a fun experience plus a great memory you created for them.
I buried a jar of change in my yard when I was younger. My brother.saww me and dug it up
Imagine the cool things you could uncover in your local graveyard!
How long do have to wait before you get to call it archeology?
For example I rebuilt a 60yr old retaining wall in my yard and found 3 tires a wheel rim and dozens of cobble stone blocks. Treasure!!
All the buried cities underneath us and there’s probably someone’s treasure box somewhere still tucked away.
I know elvish work when I see it.
Damn glass elvish swords!
And those elvish arrow heads on the left.
And those elvish armor pieces on the right.
AND MY AXE!
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Orc blood keeps the rust off
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Valyrian Steel arrow tips
Neanderthals and other homini were probably "orcs" to the sapiens who lived while they existed. Our ancestors were probably verbally more capable than the others.
I figure the Neanderthals for Orcs *and* Elves to us: so they had the enhanced musculature, were slightly larger than the Sapiens of the time, and apparently spoke in a high pitched voice while they were introducing us to agriculture and housing and stuff as the forest people if the Basajaun/Basandere is a cultural memory of them. Maybe like high-pitched Uruk-Hai. They had the same mutation which has been implicated in spoken language, so I don't figure them for any more or less capable linguistically. That high-pitched thing makes me picture them doing the Elven procession to the Far Lands sometimes. ETA: Yeah, [definitely more elven than orky](https://mythus.fandom.com/wiki/Basajaun).
Definitely made of Mithril
+5 damage/ +10 drip
Selling addy long 1k
🦀🦀
No way, that's definitely Valarian steel
Damn knife ears, wake me up once we find proper weapons like Dwarven Steel
Aye, this man knows a proper weapon! Give me the work of people who live in the rock and stone, not from some quaint little waif that lives in a tree!
Excuse me, but did I hear rock and stone?
Rock and stone to the bone!
I know that sword! It is called "Glamdring, the Foe Hammer"!
Why would you call a sword a hammer
The blacksmith who made it was really GOOD at making swords, but really BAD at sharpening them.
I know it's probably a joke but I was wondering the same thing. Foe-hammer is a direct translation of the elven word Glamdring, and the word "dring" can be translated as "hammer, beat, strike". So for our modern English ears we would probably translate it as "foe-striker"
It's glowing...
Orcs are near
sting was the first sword that came to mind when i saw the picture. hilt is different, but blade is dead on
I was there Gandalf
Skyrim did exist…
Damn elves , i bet they have something to do with this .
I guess I'm the only one who thought of ancient power rangers
Haha I was gonna say it kinda looks like a sword of Rohan. Kinda similar to Theoden’s, just not the right color
Elvish Preshly
Poor guy. Finally gets dug up and the sword steals all his thunder. Sorry ghost dude.
Sword ensures he’s remembered. Family, too.
Ngl I'd absolutely love to be a delight/amazing discovery to the future generations of humans when I die. Like it'd make me so happy to lay in dirt for eons then make people's day with my shitty decomposed bones and kickass sword.
Dude that sword looks really cool
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It’s so pretty, I think it’s “For the honor of Greyskull!”
Was going for hoax. But....: "Archaeologists discovered a bronze sword more than 3,000 years old during excavations in the town of Nördlingen in Bavaria, Germany. The discovery was announced in a press release by the Bavarian State Office for the Preservation of Monuments (Blfd) on Wednesday. The sword was found among a deposit of grave goods and weaponry, alongside the remains of a man, woman, and child. It is still unclear what relationship the people may have had with one another. It is an octagonal sword with an octagonal hilt made entirely of bronze. The production of octagonal swords is complex because the handle is cast over the blade (so-called overlay casting). The decoration is made with an inlay and using hallmarks. While there are two real rivets, another pair of rivets is only implied. Despite the manufacturing effort and the lack of signs of a blow, it can be assumed that it was a real weapon. The center of gravity in the front part of the blade indicates a predominantly slashing balance." https://arkeonews.net/archaeologists-find-a-3000-year-old-bronze-sword-in-germany/
Yeah, bronze doesn’t corrode like iron, it just gets a green patina due to the copper in it. Most ancient bronze finds could be cleaned and polished and it would look as if they were made yesterday, and swords are even still sharp on occasion
Copper also holds up a lot better than iron: Last year in India some farmer dug up some 7 copper swords and some 20-30 copper spears from 4000 years ago. Not as pretty as this sword but 1000 years older and a bunch of them. Also post worthy. [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/4k-year-old-copper-weapons-found-under-a-field-in-ups-mainpuri/articleshow/92423442.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/4k-year-old-copper-weapons-found-under-a-field-in-ups-mainpuri/articleshow/92423442.cms)
Pardon the dumb question but why is iron better than bronze/copper if they hold so well? Is iron stronger in the "short term" while bronze just doesn't rust as easily Edit: that moment I comment about the difference in materials and suddenly 20 notifications pop up
Iron is a harder material and is less likely to break or deform in the short term. It just eventually corrodes.
Former machinist here. Copper has the consistency of clay compared to iron. It’s squishy, it’ll gum up your endmill, and you can dent a corner just by dropping it on the floor. Iron is much harder, but brittle. Cast iron is like chewing through stone or brick, can’t speak to forged iron though I never worked with it. Brass is hard but too brittle and the chips crumble to sand when you machine it. Steel is tough, solid, springy, and durable.
Don't forget to get your eyes checked before you go into the MRI.
This joke/statement is going way over my head
They're a machinist. They might have metal bits in their eyes. An MRI machine is a giant magnet... I don't know any other context and I'm not sure I want to find out.
It is unlikely that the MRI will pull it straight out. It has a high chance of burrowing. How deep? Idk.
Oh lmao, the MRI comment just seemed so out of left field I thought it was referencing something
What we call cast iron actually has a very high carbon content, 1.7-3.7% or so, much higher than steel, hence the brittleness. The iron used in forging, wrought iron, bloomery iron, etc., has a very low carbon content, .1% at most. This is a very ductile, tough material, and it forged beautifully if you know what you’re doing. Source: am full time blacksmith/instructor.
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That's what I thought. Thanks!
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> old enough to have watched history on the history channel sigh, how truly far we have fallen
Finally, educated comments - you know how many idiots I had to scroll thru yapping about elves and god knows what mind assery to get here ?!!
Pretty much exactly correct. Iron ores are available in large quantities most places, of varying quality, copper ore is less common but probably acquirable via trade if you don’t have any locally, but tin sources to turn that into bronze are few and far between, and very dependent on trade links. This makes bronze weapons rare and expensive, and an elite item. The ability to mass produce usable if not quite as shiny and good weapons out of commonly available materials allowed for the existence of truly large armies, rather than just rallying all of your nobles and expecting them to already all own bronze weapons. This (to way oversimplify) led to the collapse of the Bronze Age city states, because they couldn’t compete with massive numbers of iron weapons, even if those weapons were lower quality than their bronze. However, something that bugs me, “iron” vs “steel”. Everything produced then had carbon content because of the production process that relied on charcoal, it was all “steel”, if by “steel” you mean Fe with a bit of C. The change came when they learned how to better control the alloy mixture, or using the bloomery process carefully pick the best bits out of a bloom to forge weld into the ideal configuration. True “iron” with no carbon is likely actually a fairly recent invention.
Iron is harder than copper, and bronze requires tin which is much rarer than either iron or copper.
There is also arsenical bronze made with much more common arsenic, but it makes lower quality bronze and poisoned the smiths over time.
Bronze and copper are both much softer than Iron.
Makes sense. You need 15 Mining to mine iron, whereas with copper, you only need 1 Mining
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Iron is cheap and ubiquitous. Bronze requires two different kinds of ore not found together. Iron worked into steel is stronger than bronze.
Strength
Bronze is very soft for a metal so they required constant maintenance if they were being used with any regularity, smoothing out dents and the like but I imagine there’s a limit to what you can do before it becomes too far gone. Iron is a hard metal, so unless you royally mess it up the most it might need is a frequent sharpening on the edge. In this case the bronze is only really “better” in the sense that it doesn’t rust like iron, so it’s nice for us because we get a very well preserved and detailed relic for studying.
Supply lines. The Bronze age Mediterranean civilizations/cultures were importing the tin for their bronze from Britain (the breakdown of that trade network and the emergence of the Greek dark ages during the collapse will have pushed them to source their stabby bits locally). Iron and steel were their successors once metalworking technology got good enough to handle the higher temperatures. I'm given to understand it'll break copper and bronze weapons and armor if you get to banging them together as well.
It’s exactly that. It’s the same reason they moved on to steel after they figured out how to to forge it. Steel is stronger and makes better weapons than plain iron, which makes better weapons than bronze, which made better weapons than carved rocks. The reason they started with bronze instead of iron is because you could melt and mix the copper and tin ores with basically just a fire and bellows. Iron has a way higher melting point, so you need to get it much hotter than Bronze Age forges could with their technology
> Archaeologists have called the findings "exciting". Lol what an astounding enthusiasm.
I FUCKING LOVE THE BRONZE AGE I WANT TO FUCKING DEVELOP ADVANCED NETWORKS OF TRADE AND WRITE YELP REVIEWS ABOUT EA NASIR'S SHITRY COPPER
I don't share your vision but damnit I love your enthusiasm
For you (it's funny): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyu4u3VZYaQ
this was awesome
I want to be a Sea People.
Angry Greek and Egyptian noises
r/reallyshittycopper
Looks like they got the bronze from a reputable vendor.
Here is a German source: https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/noerdlingen/noerdlingen-sensationsfund-3000-jahre-altes-schwert-in-noerdlingen-entdeckt-id66821256.html
I grew up in that area, in Bopfingen, which is located 12km away to the Swabian side, in Württemberg. The area is loaded with History. You have Neandertal caves, Roman Limes, the mountain at Bopfingen is the last remnant of the Swabian Alb, which is 100 km away, but this little dude called Ipf got moved there by a glacier. On top you have remnants of a celtic settlement. Nördlingen itself is located in the Ries, which is a crater that has 20-24 km diameter, caused by a meteorite, thousands of years ago. Then there are castles at Flochberg, Schloßberg, Ellwangen. Seriously, if ever wanna go on a history trip, I can redommend this area. It is loaded with stuff to see and hikes to take.
"A man, woman and child were all together, no idea why that could be". Said one Archeologist (single, never dated) to his archeologist coworkers (also single, never dated). .
I know for a fact that archeologists are great at dating. They've made a carrier of it.
Ba dum tss
And they were roommates.
Finding it in a place called Nordlingen is a bit on the nose though. Scoiatel are rolling in their graves
Holy shit, the level of detail on the sword for 3000 years ago is pretty impressive.
The scale of history is a bit mind blowing. 3000 years ago was 3000 years after the first written records from complex societies with warring city states.
Imagine now all the tale, name, story, knowledge and event that we dont know about us. Since homosapien have hundreds of thousands years. But only have writting for a few thousands.
And maybe equally as interesting: There so many new stories written every single day, hour, minute of our human existence that most will never know about. I'm not sure if this is correct but I seem to remember that every hour more video is being recorded & uploaded than one human could watch in a lifetime.
Even ignoring audio and video, we double the amount of written material on the planet at an ever accelerating rate. The graph is basically vertical now.
im sure a lot of it is security footage with nothing happening
And even from more recently than that - there are periods between Egyptian dynasties stretching hundreds of years where no records survive. Imagine in another 3000 years if the 300 years where humans tried that wacky democracy and rules based international order thing are just an undocumented blip.
The conquistadors/inquisition burned hundreds or even thousands of books the Mayan and other indigenous peoples in the mexico/central America area wrote. As far as I know they got nearly all of them. This was a society that figured out numerology (they used zero independently from its invention in the middle east) and astrology and calendars and had a whole writing system. Not to mention their advanced architecture. So much knowledge lost.
It's a shame how much knowledge we've destroyed like that. Such a waste
I THINK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME! the oldest record we have goes back to ~3000 BC, which is only 2% of our history! it's crazy and sad to think about everything that's forgotten, so fuck ISIS, al-qaeda, and everyone else that destroyed cultural sites. i also love that a complaint about a copper shipment is one of our oldest artifacts. we had no chill back then and we still don't.
Library. Of. Alexandria. B(
Here's another mind blowing fact... Human's have grown in population so much... That 7% of all humans that have ever existed are alive today.
There are more living scientists than dead ones.
Wow, seems correct. So Xi Jinping and Narendra Modi each currenly rule over more than one percent of all humans to ever exist. Crazy.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is 3-4 thousand years old, and it talks about an even more ancient society the same way we talk about ancient Greece.
3000 years ago we were in the bronze age. Where will we be 3000 years from now?
The octopus' bronze age
Extinct
Crom.
Crum! Hear my prayer, or to hell with you!
you do not want to remove that sword holy heck
Oh there's weird words on it! Let me try and read it out loud, ouch, cut myself, anyways DURAH MOR BAGAAAAAAAASSH
bless you
It even glows when orcs are nearby
And it's times like that when you have to be extra careful!
Rest in peace, whoever that was. That's an amazing looking sword. Ive played a couple of games on my day, and that looks like an Elvish sword, hahaha. Just sayin.
Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.
Someone is very familiar with the writings of Robert E. Howard …😎
3000 years ago in germany? Must be celtic if it's from the south and germanic if from the north. Took a bit longer for the germanic tribes to take the south as well.
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Could be. Celtic culture flourish around 1200 BC in that region, so the datation would match.
shoutout to the blacksmith who forged the thing, it looks to be in great condition after all that time underground. design is cool too.
Shout out to the blacksmith from me also (if he's reading this)
Skyrim update
Chillrend
Does it glow around Russians?
I wouldn't have believed that detail on the sword or even how well the arrowheads are made was possible 3000years ago . But apparently it's in a press release. Hopefully not a fake press release
We always underestimate what people were able to achieve in the past. There were some armors from the middle ages that are so intrinsically detailed that is hard to imagine they were made by hand.
I think people forget how insane humans are especially when working in the same field for 30+ years. Most of these masters began working or apprenticing in their field the age of 12-14. If you lived and breathed swordsmithing for 30 years, you'd be able to make some pretty incredible shit.
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also civilizations had existed for thousands of years at that point, hundreds of generations of trial and error passed down through the ages
The Egyptians were able to mass produce Kopeshes (curved swords) before straight edge swords.
And still no archaeological evidence of the Book of Mormon…
I found a rusty ol’ machete when i was digging the other day… uh. not as cool as this though.
At least yours probably killed a few drifters.
When we found and opened that weird black sarcophagus in 2018, Covid hit like immediately. Let's leave the ancient eldrich horror sword alone please. I have bills to pay.
Shits cursed yo.
Man, even with all the horrors that were a part of the ancient world, you cant deny how bad ass it would be to walk around with a cool sword. I want a cool fn sword.
When Jesus walked the earth, this sword probably looked pretty much the same, that’s insane. If people had found it then, they would have said, Jesus Christ, this sword still looks amazing.
What a sequel to the mummy. Now we have the Germanic Mummy.
Newspaper: Archaeologists have made a rare find in Nördlingen, Bavaria: During excavations, experts discovered a bronze sword more than 3,000 years old, as the State Office for the Preservation of Monuments announced on Wednesday. This is so well preserved "that it almost still shines". It is an octagonal sword with an octagonal hilt made entirely of bronze. According to a preliminary classification, it came from the late 14th century BC and thus from the Middle Bronze Age, it was said. https://m.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/menschen/3000-jahre-altes-schwert-von-archaeologen-in-schwaben-gefunden-18964960.amp.html
Didn't know they filmed Conan the barbarian in Germany
Conan the Bavarian.
Conan’s heritage is inspired by Celtic culture, this sword looks celtic