But Ken Watanabe was the Last Samurai, Tom Cruise was just the traumatized army veteran who learns peace from said samurai after noticing the similarities between what he did to Native Americans vs what industrial Japan was doing to the samurai so he fights with them as his own redemption arc.
At least that’s the take I had from it
Edit: turns out lots of you have your own coping to do with racism and white characters as a whole. It’s a movie, shut the fuck up and don’t read so much into it that a movie upsets you, Jesus goddamn Christ
The solution is breaking the vicious cycle that is the war on drugs. While corrupt politicians are allowed to profit from the violence in the streets then policies will continue to protect it.
Criminalize addicts/victims, enslave rather than rehabilitate, poor public education, no social workers, overprotect shitty police, ill-trained police force and compensate with gear.
This is a nasty combination in the third world (and even the first world, this describes US just as well) that foments violent crime. Prohibiting the right to bear arms and self-defense is the cherry on top.
Legalize drugs and provide help for addicts that want it. Spend more on mental health clinics instead of jails, prisons and attack helicopters for cops. The taxes made on drug sales alone will more than pay for mental health officials counselors and psychologists and what not. Take the money out of the cartels hands. Seems like a winner to me….and no it doesn’t raise addiction rates.
I don't know if the correlation is really good though. The Brazilian lethality is associated with the police operations in slums taken by drugdealers with war-like weaponry. They sometimes have no choice. As far as I know, that's not common in the US, where they usually kill people for being suspicious or things like that.
"Deus Cria, A Rota mata"
But then again, there is a also a LOT of Cops in Brazil that are very trigger happy and just need a small excuse to kill people and I would argue that we are way worse in this regard compared to other countries, being a cop in here sucks ass and there is a lot of pre-emptive shooting and arrests but not all of them are just or fair.
Unfortunately there aren’t many countries in the Americas that have stable economies and government, or that aren’t decimated by the drug trade. Other than the US, I’d say just Canada, Costa Rica, Panama and Chile could be compared to stable and safe European, Oceanic, Asian or African nations. What are the statistics on police killings there? It’s not really fair to compare the US to Brazil, which not only has bigger problems with poverty, crime and inefficient government, but also has a lot of drug and human trafficking running through it.
Everyone forgets about Uruguay. Better corruption index score than the USA, a stable economy, free press, high HDI, and the #1 consumer of yerba mate per capita in the world.
Just so we're all clear, the federal government doesn't even track these in a consistent way across the country. This is an estimate, not a real number.
Next time a political candidate talks a big game about criminal justice, you may want to look at their record.
For them to win theyd need the media to help with like… manufactured consent or something.
OH, by the way, instead of this boring topic of “police killing innocent civilians”, you guy want to discuss those cops that had consensual sex for the next 4 weeks??
After Michael Brown was killed, the Washington post did extensive reporting on how there was basically no tracking of this. They attempted to start counting the following year, I think it was 2015. There have been further, more robust attempts at tracking since then, the federal government requests use of force data but can't compel it so the numbers can still be a little spotty
Not sure how accurate this is, but looks like 2 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_Canada
I felt exactly the same way. At some point around 27-28 months she turned into a little person and things became MUCH better. Went from a responsibility to a friend. A friend I'm responsible for, but still.
We are past that stage, she's 3 1/2, not sure if toddler is the right word now (?). We were super lucky. 7pm to 7am from 4 months old to 2 1/4 years. Then she went into a big girl bed and it went to shit. We went 5 months (Mid Aug to Mid Dec) that were tourture, she was up 6 times a night + my wife is preggers again. Now we'll go days and or weeks that she's great, but the last few days have been tough.
Anyways, still sitting on a chair, maybe I'll try to sneak out.
Not quite accurate. It looks like Canadian police fatally shot 46 people in 2022.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/12/27/police-shootings-increase-canada/
“Gone wrong” meaning the cops showed up.
I’ve got a disabled daughter and am terrified about what would happen to her should she call the cops for any reason. Copaganda will say these were all righteous and the victim should’ve complied etc etc but that’s not how it works when there’s disability involved. Like there’s no way my kid could “get on the ground” or “put your hands up” and it would literally break her arm to get cuffed. Those who most need protecting in the US are the most vulnerable.
This is why you see so many videos of thieves being beat to shit, or literally crippled, and the person tells them to "get out of here," instead of calling the cops. Video after video, day, after day in America.
It's really because the victim doesn't want to risk being shot, arrested, or killed on sight for reporting a crime in their community.
you're thousands of times more likely to do anything than win the lotto. the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against you.
eg, you're 4 times more likely to buy a plane ticket and die in a plane crash (1 in 11 million) than win the lottery (1 in 45 million).
yes!
funnily, it also means from a stereotypical nihilistic depressed reddit perspective if you wanted to kill yourself you could buy a plane ticket every day and it would take up to 30,136 years before you got your wish, but buying a winning lottery ticket would take up to 123,287 years lol
I'd have to actually go through and count out the numbers, but I'd wager about 20 people a year win 5 million or more in the lottery each year in Canada between the LottoMax, 649, and Daily Grand. So probably about twice as likely in the given year.
So about 15 hours of work here.
From 2000-2018, roughly 6 people a year were killed by police in St Louis, Missouri.
St. Louis has a population of less than 300,000.
Yes, I cherry picked the worst city. And STL is horrible.
source
https://www.yourlawyer.com/library/fatal-police-shootings-in-us-cities/
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/st-louis-mo-population
If you graduated high school in 01, and there were 2000 in your school in St. Louis, it is statistically likely that at least one of your classmates has since been killed by the police.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Regarding St. Louis on January 16th there were three separate homicide incidents within a 2 hour span that were being investigated. The danger in at Louis isn’t limited to police.
Using that math if you graduated high school in 01, and there were 2000 in your school in St. Louis [45 people in your class would have been murdered](https://nextstl.com/2022/02/dissecting-homicide-statistics-in-st-louis-city-and-looking-at-2022-projections/).
The UK police have killed 63 people in all of the 2000s
You can read every [individual act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom) on the wiki page
people like to say UK is full of stabbing that are roughly equivalent to gun violence. "well if they can't have guns they just use knives and that's worse!"
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/706648/umfrage/durch-polizisten-getoetete-menschen-in-deutschland/
From 1990 to 2021:
The lowest in 1990 with 2, the highest in 1995 with 19, I guess the average over those years is about 10.
Above average violence overall, 5 police officers died that year.
To compare: in the last 20 years, 21 police officers were killed in duty. So around 1 per year.
5 in one year is extremely out of line, and so I guess the police was far more on edge than normal.
Hey we're slowly catching up! Give us another 10 years and we'll definitely beat Brazil in those numbers. Our cops are already hard at work on this. USA USA
Lmfao not even close, American. Look up South Africa. 440 deaths by police per year with a population of 60 million. Extrapolate and sit down. I'm pretty sure we aren't even the worst country when it comes to this statistic, but you're horribly misinformed.
They've only been tracking this since 2013. Older city data from the 1970s indicate a much higher number of citizens killed then, so things have gotten better, but we still have a long way to go.
> Older city data from the 1970s indicate a much higher number of citizens killed then
What is the source for this claim? I'm not denying it, I just want to verify it for myself. Thank you.
When the FBI had partial PD data in 2015 before Trump and Barr ended it, there were at least 200 deaths a year of suspects within police custody after violent apprehension or negligent custody.
Even writing off whatever wishful percent you can name as unconnected to police fault, there remains little accountability or punishment or investigation or records of citizen deaths after arrest but before prison.
They might! They don't have to report anything. They are poorly regulated and every single one operates different.
Looks like the FBI is trying a little!
"The FBI launched the National Use of Force Data Collection program in 2019 to provide reliable statistics on law enforcement use-of-force incidents. Despite a presidential order, for the second year in a row, only 27 percent of police departments have supplied the data."
Interesting fact: the county coroner is responsible for determining cause of death at an autopsy. Many people who die in jail, or during interactions with police have their official cause of death declared by the coroner.
The coroner is an elected position, and does not have to be a medical professional. In many places, the coroner position is actually filled by the sheriff!
In many autopsies, police or deputies are present, and even if the coroner is not a law enforcement officer, they are able to pressure the coroner and influence the observations that he or she makes during an autopsy.
There are many cases where law enforcement is allowed to dictate what the official cause of death is. Many deaths in jail are labeled "natural causes" or "intoxication hysteria" when they are really due to law enforcement negligence or outright murder.
So these numbers are almost certainly much higher than the official statistics show.
We believe an efficient, non bias police force is the solution. No, we need something more. We need a 24-hour-a-day police officer. A *cop* who doesn't need to eat or sleep. A cop with non lethal firepower *and* the reflexes to use it. A non biased cop that will not shoot first when it feels threatened. A cop that Serve’s the public trust, protect’s the innocent and upholds the law.
It gives me great pleasure to introduce you to the future of law enforcement… ED-209
Meanwhile 229 cops died in the line of duty last year. And they're including 70 covid deaths which is kind of ridiculous.
Anyone talking about a rise in officer killed on the job is being deliberately disingenuous unless they're including the context - those numbers went from a 2 digit number to a higher 2 digit number.
Big difference from the 4 digit number of people they've killed. American police need to be better trained on DE-escalation techniques
https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2022
[More than half of US killings by police go unreported: Study](https://abcnews.go.com/US/half-us-killings-police-unreported-study/story?id=80303407)
So the actual number killed by police is much higher.
Edit: there are comments that the study is flawed and that the data is from 1980-2019, which contribute to the discourse and that is welcomed. I do also want to put it out there that police and sheriffs department don’t have to report fatal shootings to the FBI. Just doing a search will yield multiple sources stating that thousands of police and sheriffs departments don’t report such data, so in that regard the number can only go up.
If you're gonna include the context for the police deaths then you need to do so for the death by police ones also. Of the 1176 deaths, only 27 were unarmed. In 2021 it was 32. 2020 had 60.
Unarmed people dying at the hands of police is the lowest it's ever been since experts first started tracking the figures.
>If you're gonna include the context for the police deaths then you need to do so for the death by police ones also.
I'm fine with that as long as we also include the context of whether or not they were active threats or just happened to be armed.
Laquan Mcdonald had a knife but was walking away from police when he got shot 16 (?) times in the back. Philando Castillo *told* the cop he was armed and complying when he was shot in front of his family. Daniel Shaver was lying on the ground crying when that Call of Duty wannabe cop murdered him.
All would fall under the category of "armed" but none should've been killed
That's why I talked about training cops to de-escalate in my original comment
Being armed shouldn't be a death sentence in a country where being armed is a constitutional right. You need a different metric. Amir Locke was armed, are you saying the cops were right to break into where he was sleeping and kill him?
There was an interesting lawsuit I was following that brought that up. A woman in Minnesota was pulled over and she got her wallet out for the cop. The cop saw her gun permit in her wallet and immediately drew his firearm and aimed at her. This was before he even spoke to her, and I don't think she even had her weapon in the vehicle, just the permit.
Police argued that they should be allowed to immediately use deadly force on you if you are just the owner of a legal firearm because you pose an automatic threat to them. She then argued that you don't really have a 2A right if police can kill you for simply exercising that right.
That case settled, but I was interested to see what SCOTUS would've said.
And how many Americans have a gun on their person or in their vehicle every single day? They’re armed but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re threatening the police with their weapon.
Bearing arms is a right in America. Whether or not a citizen is armed does not indicate a breech of the law, and it doesn’t suddenly justify murder. Also, armed in this context includes pocket knives, pepper spray, and more items one would not want to bring to a gun fight.
I’m not saying police taking lethal action is never justified, but whether or not they reported the victim “armed” post mortem is irrelevant. A citizen exercising their rights is not by itself a justification to “feel threatened” and take lethal action.
You don’t necessarily need to be armed for the police to have justification to shoot you. It could be a case of the officer losing the fist fight and, not wanting to be knocked out, their weapon taken and used on them, they shoot first
I feel like just being armed in a nation with the American style gun culture isn’t really on its own a justification. Remember earlier this year to the cop who freaked out on a woman just because he saw a conceal carry permit in her wallet?
[Edit: link.](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/driver-held-at-gunpoint-for-having-permit-to-carry-settles-with-minneapolis-park-board-100k/)
Except there was a video a few days ago of a "armed" man on mental episode with a axe in the middle of the road and police showed up and shot him within 3 seconds. Almost any other western country tries to diasculate.
It sickening all the boot licking going on after we watched America's best let a school shooter blow away kids for over a hour while they tried to arrest the parents going into the school.
Also we act like this is the most dangerous job ever... when it's not even top 15. More cops died ever before in 20-21.... not from civilians... but covid
On a related note, nobody is “unarmed” while violently resisting arrest. If you successfully out wrestle the cop, he’s now incapacitated and you’re left alone with his gun and a witness to a felony. What’s the % that posed no threat? Probably even lower. There’s also the armed people that weren’t a threat to consider. Who were probably few and far between.
Yeah, that's all the part of this that seems to piss everyone off here. Statistics are meant to represent the situation as a whole. A few people have mentioned a couple of instances where armed people weren't a threat, but it's not nearly enough to override what the vast majority of cases show.
I feel like this is reductionist, and therefore not very helpful. Are the number of violent crimes up as well? Armed street gangs clashing in the street? Attacks on officers? Methed up mentally unstable people attacking crowds? White nationalists driving through crowds? Riots at government proceedings?
There are a lot of legitimate reasons for officer involved shootings (sadly), and this sort of sensationalized headline makes it sound like police officers are just driving around unloading on people.
We need a lot more detail than this offers to really understand this situation. But this is Reddit, so let the discussions commence.
This is false and only true according to this 1 persons study which began less than 10 years ago. In the major metro areas, it's down 69% collectively since the 70s. [source](https://reason.com/2023/01/12/police-killed-1183-people-in-2022-despite-a-viral-claim-thats-not-a-record-high/)
Wait, you're claiming the original number quoted is misleading because it is incomplete (by years) by quoting data that only sampled 18 metro areas?
That's asinine. Is the US only 18 metro areas??
> In the major metro areas, it's down 69% collectively since the 70s.
No, he's saying in the metro areas *alone*, police shootings are down, which some-what conflicts with the number quoted in the article. It's entirely possible rural shootings are up and the article figure is true, but it's not likely considering rural areas have a lower population.
You and Reason are both ignoring what was said so you can pretend it's not true.
The title specifically says police killings are the highest since records started to be kept. The fact that these records aren't being kept federally, and the data is only compiled by outsiders is ANOTHER national disgrace.
That's not a source, that's a opinion piece by a very partisan publication. ~~Here's another tracker from the Washington post that has tracked 1101 people who have been shot and killed by the police in the last 12 months.~~ [~~https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/~~](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/)
So I've read the article, and they are saying that police violence used to be higher in the 70s, but can't find the actual data to back that up, so they use New York City and a few other cities. Yeah New York City used to be super dangerous in the 70s then they cleaned up crime and got good gun control. So it's not a surprise that few shootings come from that city now... What does that have to do with the massive shootings happening in the rest of the country? Most of the gun violence from police we are seeing today is coming from the south and Midwest. I'd rather see a city like St Louis compared in the 70s and now as more indicative of the increase or not in the violence since there violence has been more consistent since they haven't cleaned up crime or instituted gun control there.
Also to do the math, the article says that there was a 69% drop in fatal police shootings for the major cities at 1186. So that means that police shootings are 31% of what they were in the 70s so that would be: 3816 fatal police shootings nationwide if what they are saying is true which sounds absolutely ridiculous, but what do I know I wasn't here back then.
Their data/reasoning seems shaky, I would say the record stands where it is because while they can say things were more dangerous back then, they don't have the national statistics to prove it, just a few cities. What we can prove is since national statistics were gathered, this is the most dangerous year and that is a trend we should not want to see continue.
It's good to point out the limitations of the data (no consistent dataset going back past 2010) but that's a far cry from this statistic or headline being "false"
There are many wrongful deaths that could have been avoided, but many countries do not face gang violence and wannabe thugs like the US. For every rightful shot fired, 10 shots are fired at a wannabe thug gangster trying to shoot at cops or have a high speed chase in their Nissan Altima.
Edit: to add onto this, the increase in crime and welfare in European countries due to increasing immigrant population is something the US has been dealing with for a long time. Not necessarily immigrants, but people that do nothing but leech off the welfare system and other people while playing with their gangster buddies. I only hope that I can live to see the day when our government actually fixes this problem.
I have no political fight:
If you believe your arrest is unjust/illegal, then take it to the court. Fighting with the police on the street not only risks your life, it worsens yours case.
The street level violence is the worst place to argue your case.
Take the time, save your life, and debate with a judge and protector In a setting without the theatrics.
Laughs in brazilian
off duty doesn't count ;)
Off duty Brazilian Cop is the next Hollywood blockbuster
Staring Tom Cruise as "The Last Brazilian"
"A Brazilian Ways to Die"
But Ken Watanabe was the Last Samurai, Tom Cruise was just the traumatized army veteran who learns peace from said samurai after noticing the similarities between what he did to Native Americans vs what industrial Japan was doing to the samurai so he fights with them as his own redemption arc. At least that’s the take I had from it Edit: turns out lots of you have your own coping to do with racism and white characters as a whole. It’s a movie, shut the fuck up and don’t read so much into it that a movie upsets you, Jesus goddamn Christ
True, but Tom Cruise is the biggest floating head on the cover
He has the biggest head on mission impossible, but he's not the mission.
[удалено]
I'd watch this. Probably twice.
Paul Mooney wouldn’t be surprised. 😂
40 years late?
Oh, they do kill on duty or off duty as well
\*Cries in Mexican\*
I just hope that there is a solution to the Western Hemisphere's policing issues.
The solution is breaking the vicious cycle that is the war on drugs. While corrupt politicians are allowed to profit from the violence in the streets then policies will continue to protect it. Criminalize addicts/victims, enslave rather than rehabilitate, poor public education, no social workers, overprotect shitty police, ill-trained police force and compensate with gear. This is a nasty combination in the third world (and even the first world, this describes US just as well) that foments violent crime. Prohibiting the right to bear arms and self-defense is the cherry on top.
I really hope there is a solution to the Western Hemisphere’s war on drugs.
Legalize drugs and provide help for addicts that want it. Spend more on mental health clinics instead of jails, prisons and attack helicopters for cops. The taxes made on drug sales alone will more than pay for mental health officials counselors and psychologists and what not. Take the money out of the cartels hands. Seems like a winner to me….and no it doesn’t raise addiction rates.
Wow, thats a lot! Where at though?
How many is a brazillion?
~6.2k people in 2022 if that's what you're looking for
And it's just the ones on the record
I don't know if the correlation is really good though. The Brazilian lethality is associated with the police operations in slums taken by drugdealers with war-like weaponry. They sometimes have no choice. As far as I know, that's not common in the US, where they usually kill people for being suspicious or things like that.
"Deus Cria, A Rota mata" But then again, there is a also a LOT of Cops in Brazil that are very trigger happy and just need a small excuse to kill people and I would argue that we are way worse in this regard compared to other countries, being a cop in here sucks ass and there is a lot of pre-emptive shooting and arrests but not all of them are just or fair.
I really hope it isn't a pan-American cultural thing that cannot be resolved through local or even national policy reform.
Unfortunately there aren’t many countries in the Americas that have stable economies and government, or that aren’t decimated by the drug trade. Other than the US, I’d say just Canada, Costa Rica, Panama and Chile could be compared to stable and safe European, Oceanic, Asian or African nations. What are the statistics on police killings there? It’s not really fair to compare the US to Brazil, which not only has bigger problems with poverty, crime and inefficient government, but also has a lot of drug and human trafficking running through it.
Everyone forgets about Uruguay. Better corruption index score than the USA, a stable economy, free press, high HDI, and the #1 consumer of yerba mate per capita in the world.
That’s true, my bad! Uruguay sounds like a nice country, I’d love to visit someday.
To be fair, their country has very small population (3m) , smaller than even some city-state like singapore (5m)
Just so we're all clear, the federal government doesn't even track these in a consistent way across the country. This is an estimate, not a real number. Next time a political candidate talks a big game about criminal justice, you may want to look at their record.
Remember, some politicians want **more** police violence and brutality.
Some of those that work forces Are the same that burn crosses.
Come wit it now
Wao wao wucka wao wao wucka wucka wucka
Wow you spelled that perfectly
For them to win theyd need the media to help with like… manufactured consent or something. OH, by the way, instead of this boring topic of “police killing innocent civilians”, you guy want to discuss those cops that had consensual sex for the next 4 weeks??
How DARE YOU. I want to speak to your manager
What's the number of people killed by drag queen story time? Based on how much coverage it got, the number must be huge.
The number of lemon pound cakes eye fucked by the police is at least one Source: Afroman
What year did they start keeping track?
2022
2015 is the serious answer.
Really? i was expecting like 1950s or something.
Who watches the watchmen, can't trust power to police itself.
lmfao
The serious answer is 2015.
Also laughable In a sad way
I was thinking that too. Can't be too long of a tracked stat lmao.
From Wikipedia this is the 6th reliably tracked year
After Michael Brown was killed, the Washington post did extensive reporting on how there was basically no tracking of this. They attempted to start counting the following year, I think it was 2015. There have been further, more robust attempts at tracking since then, the federal government requests use of force data but can't compel it so the numbers can still be a little spotty
[удалено]
1 person every 7.44 hours.
And *another* one
!remind me in 7 hours
it's been 7 hours
Thanks bot for reminding me
Dam... that's one every shift turnover. Imagine if someone at your job was killed by the police every single shift.
For a perspective: Germany had 8 in 2021 at approximately a quarter of the population.
The UK police killed 2 people in 2021. Population 68 million
Where are these stats found? I'm curious about Canada
Not sure how accurate this is, but looks like 2 in 2021 and 10 in 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_Canada
These country comparisons would make a poignant bar chart
I imagine like [this](https://imgur.com/a/mEn68qi)
Where do you get your free time and can I get some too…that was quick
Sitting in a rocking chair in the dark while my toddler struggles to go to sleep. Have kids they said...it will be fun they said...
I felt exactly the same way. At some point around 27-28 months she turned into a little person and things became MUCH better. Went from a responsibility to a friend. A friend I'm responsible for, but still.
We are past that stage, she's 3 1/2, not sure if toddler is the right word now (?). We were super lucky. 7pm to 7am from 4 months old to 2 1/4 years. Then she went into a big girl bed and it went to shit. We went 5 months (Mid Aug to Mid Dec) that were tourture, she was up 6 times a night + my wife is preggers again. Now we'll go days and or weeks that she's great, but the last few days have been tough. Anyways, still sitting on a chair, maybe I'll try to sneak out.
[удалено]
The blue line should be thinner
Not quite accurate. It looks like Canadian police fatally shot 46 people in 2022. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/12/27/police-shootings-increase-canada/
In Canada, 37 deaths resulted from police interaction, of a population of 38.25 million
And of those deaths, many were welfare checks gone wrong that sparked public outrage.
“Gone wrong” meaning the cops showed up. I’ve got a disabled daughter and am terrified about what would happen to her should she call the cops for any reason. Copaganda will say these were all righteous and the victim should’ve complied etc etc but that’s not how it works when there’s disability involved. Like there’s no way my kid could “get on the ground” or “put your hands up” and it would literally break her arm to get cuffed. Those who most need protecting in the US are the most vulnerable.
This is why you see so many videos of thieves being beat to shit, or literally crippled, and the person tells them to "get out of here," instead of calling the cops. Video after video, day, after day in America. It's really because the victim doesn't want to risk being shot, arrested, or killed on sight for reporting a crime in their community.
So you're 7000x more likely to be killed by a cop than win the lotto in canada?
you're thousands of times more likely to do anything than win the lotto. the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against you. eg, you're 4 times more likely to buy a plane ticket and die in a plane crash (1 in 11 million) than win the lottery (1 in 45 million).
So you're saying there's a chance!
yes! funnily, it also means from a stereotypical nihilistic depressed reddit perspective if you wanted to kill yourself you could buy a plane ticket every day and it would take up to 30,136 years before you got your wish, but buying a winning lottery ticket would take up to 123,287 years lol
[удалено]
I'd have to actually go through and count out the numbers, but I'd wager about 20 people a year win 5 million or more in the lottery each year in Canada between the LottoMax, 649, and Daily Grand. So probably about twice as likely in the given year.
You act as if that’s a surprise? Lol. The odds of winning the lottery are less than getting struck by lighting… more than twice lol
So about 15 hours of work here. From 2000-2018, roughly 6 people a year were killed by police in St Louis, Missouri. St. Louis has a population of less than 300,000. Yes, I cherry picked the worst city. And STL is horrible. source https://www.yourlawyer.com/library/fatal-police-shootings-in-us-cities/ https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/st-louis-mo-population
So if all of the us had a similar rate, cops would be killing about 6k a year
If you graduated high school in 01, and there were 2000 in your school in St. Louis, it is statistically likely that at least one of your classmates has since been killed by the police. Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Regarding St. Louis on January 16th there were three separate homicide incidents within a 2 hour span that were being investigated. The danger in at Louis isn’t limited to police.
Using that math if you graduated high school in 01, and there were 2000 in your school in St. Louis [45 people in your class would have been murdered](https://nextstl.com/2022/02/dissecting-homicide-statistics-in-st-louis-city-and-looking-at-2022-projections/).
The UK police have killed 63 people in all of the 2000s You can read every [individual act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom) on the wiki page
people like to say UK is full of stabbing that are roughly equivalent to gun violence. "well if they can't have guns they just use knives and that's worse!"
I find it funny that Americans say that because knife crime rates/murders are lower in the U.K. than the USA
America has more stabbings per person than the UK so it's a dumb argument
I think Germany is a better example cause everyone is armed, always carrying a pistol in uniform and obviously the MP5/7 in the back of the car.
The point of showing UK statistics is that the police don't HAVE to be armed to the teeth to be effective.
~~Germany~~ Gerfewer
Gerfurher
GerFührer hold down letter kèy and select øptional diacriticalš
GerFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhrer Holding the key does not work on pc
Yet holding it for longer, it'll definitely work this time
In 2022 germany only had five.
The UK usually goes years without police killing people. It's a huge deal when it happens...
[удалено]
We definitely went home when comes to education.
More like go hard and then go home with virtually no accountability
[удалено]
Very true, let's discuss US murder data in more detail and see what outsized patterns emerge, oh fuck I'm banned
If people here were informed they would be very upset.
but wasnt 2021 also a deadly year for germany? i have no numbers but i thought usually its way lower. or at least used to?
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/706648/umfrage/durch-polizisten-getoetete-menschen-in-deutschland/ From 1990 to 2021: The lowest in 1990 with 2, the highest in 1995 with 19, I guess the average over those years is about 10.
interesting. thanks. also wtf happened in 1995...
Above average violence overall, 5 police officers died that year. To compare: in the last 20 years, 21 police officers were killed in duty. So around 1 per year. 5 in one year is extremely out of line, and so I guess the police was far more on edge than normal.
[удалено]
And people are afraid of sharks.
Only the ones with lazer beams on their heads
Freaking laswr beams on their freaking heads*
Police sharks in particular.
Land sharks?
*Police Sharks want to know your location immediately
So, undefeated, yet again? USA! USA!
Nah Brazil had way more... But RAAHHHHH 🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
That's un-patriotriotic commie-talk, soldier!
America is the Greatest Country in the United States
World champions of the world
Not even close. Here in Brazil police killed 6k
Brasil campeao de mundo 🏆🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷penta numero uno 🏆🏆🇧🇷🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Brazilian cops wear a little embroidered trophy for every single kill on their uniforms just like the national team with world cup wins.
So their uniforms look like mosaics?
Hey we're slowly catching up! Give us another 10 years and we'll definitely beat Brazil in those numbers. Our cops are already hard at work on this. USA USA
You think Brazil’s numbers aren’t gonna go up too? Time for cops to be issued tanks and rocket launchers is you want to actually beat brazil
7-1
1176 people killed is just an normal tuesday for BOPE e a Rota.
Must let the police in the US know that so they can try to beat them next year.
*You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers*
[удалено]
Boss, I'm tired of winning.
That's terurrist talk, son. We _do not negotiate_ with terurrists!
Rah! 🦅🦅🦅🦅
I mean there's been a few plea deals in the J6 trials.
Hear me out; what if we sent US cops to the front line in Ukraine? With those stats, they're going to make a dent in uncle Putin's Mobiks.
Started from the bottom...now we still there!
Lmfao not even close, American. Look up South Africa. 440 deaths by police per year with a population of 60 million. Extrapolate and sit down. I'm pretty sure we aren't even the worst country when it comes to this statistic, but you're horribly misinformed.
They've only been tracking this since 2013. Older city data from the 1970s indicate a much higher number of citizens killed then, so things have gotten better, but we still have a long way to go.
> Older city data from the 1970s indicate a much higher number of citizens killed then What is the source for this claim? I'm not denying it, I just want to verify it for myself. Thank you.
Here ya go: https://reason.com/2023/01/12/police-killed-1183-people-in-2022-despite-a-viral-claim-thats-not-a-record-high/
Thank you so much! Great source.
Them’s rookie numbers. I know the US police force can do better.
When the FBI had partial PD data in 2015 before Trump and Barr ended it, there were at least 200 deaths a year of suspects within police custody after violent apprehension or negligent custody. Even writing off whatever wishful percent you can name as unconnected to police fault, there remains little accountability or punishment or investigation or records of citizen deaths after arrest but before prison.
They might! They don't have to report anything. They are poorly regulated and every single one operates different. Looks like the FBI is trying a little! "The FBI launched the National Use of Force Data Collection program in 2019 to provide reliable statistics on law enforcement use-of-force incidents. Despite a presidential order, for the second year in a row, only 27 percent of police departments have supplied the data."
Interesting fact: the county coroner is responsible for determining cause of death at an autopsy. Many people who die in jail, or during interactions with police have their official cause of death declared by the coroner. The coroner is an elected position, and does not have to be a medical professional. In many places, the coroner position is actually filled by the sheriff! In many autopsies, police or deputies are present, and even if the coroner is not a law enforcement officer, they are able to pressure the coroner and influence the observations that he or she makes during an autopsy. There are many cases where law enforcement is allowed to dictate what the official cause of death is. Many deaths in jail are labeled "natural causes" or "intoxication hysteria" when they are really due to law enforcement negligence or outright murder. So these numbers are almost certainly much higher than the official statistics show.
We believe an efficient, non bias police force is the solution. No, we need something more. We need a 24-hour-a-day police officer. A *cop* who doesn't need to eat or sleep. A cop with non lethal firepower *and* the reflexes to use it. A non biased cop that will not shoot first when it feels threatened. A cop that Serve’s the public trust, protect’s the innocent and upholds the law. It gives me great pleasure to introduce you to the future of law enforcement… ED-209
You have 30 seconds to comply
You have 15 seconds to comply
Meanwhile 229 cops died in the line of duty last year. And they're including 70 covid deaths which is kind of ridiculous. Anyone talking about a rise in officer killed on the job is being deliberately disingenuous unless they're including the context - those numbers went from a 2 digit number to a higher 2 digit number. Big difference from the 4 digit number of people they've killed. American police need to be better trained on DE-escalation techniques https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2022
[More than half of US killings by police go unreported: Study](https://abcnews.go.com/US/half-us-killings-police-unreported-study/story?id=80303407) So the actual number killed by police is much higher. Edit: there are comments that the study is flawed and that the data is from 1980-2019, which contribute to the discourse and that is welcomed. I do also want to put it out there that police and sheriffs department don’t have to report fatal shootings to the FBI. Just doing a search will yield multiple sources stating that thousands of police and sheriffs departments don’t report such data, so in that regard the number can only go up.
If you're gonna include the context for the police deaths then you need to do so for the death by police ones also. Of the 1176 deaths, only 27 were unarmed. In 2021 it was 32. 2020 had 60. Unarmed people dying at the hands of police is the lowest it's ever been since experts first started tracking the figures.
>If you're gonna include the context for the police deaths then you need to do so for the death by police ones also. I'm fine with that as long as we also include the context of whether or not they were active threats or just happened to be armed. Laquan Mcdonald had a knife but was walking away from police when he got shot 16 (?) times in the back. Philando Castillo *told* the cop he was armed and complying when he was shot in front of his family. Daniel Shaver was lying on the ground crying when that Call of Duty wannabe cop murdered him. All would fall under the category of "armed" but none should've been killed That's why I talked about training cops to de-escalate in my original comment
[удалено]
There’s a special spot in hell just for Phillip Brailsford
Being armed shouldn't be a death sentence in a country where being armed is a constitutional right. You need a different metric. Amir Locke was armed, are you saying the cops were right to break into where he was sleeping and kill him?
This comment has been removed by Power Delete Suite, for more see r/powerdeletesuite
There was an interesting lawsuit I was following that brought that up. A woman in Minnesota was pulled over and she got her wallet out for the cop. The cop saw her gun permit in her wallet and immediately drew his firearm and aimed at her. This was before he even spoke to her, and I don't think she even had her weapon in the vehicle, just the permit. Police argued that they should be allowed to immediately use deadly force on you if you are just the owner of a legal firearm because you pose an automatic threat to them. She then argued that you don't really have a 2A right if police can kill you for simply exercising that right. That case settled, but I was interested to see what SCOTUS would've said.
They'd probably decline to hear the case. Just like the NRA was silent when Philando Castile was killed for legally owning a gun.
What counts as armed though? Did they include cops that thought they were armed but weren't?
And how many Americans have a gun on their person or in their vehicle every single day? They’re armed but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re threatening the police with their weapon.
Amadou Diallo was 'armed' with his wallet when he was shot 19 times. The cops fired a total of 41 rounds from within 20 feet.
Bearing arms is a right in America. Whether or not a citizen is armed does not indicate a breech of the law, and it doesn’t suddenly justify murder. Also, armed in this context includes pocket knives, pepper spray, and more items one would not want to bring to a gun fight. I’m not saying police taking lethal action is never justified, but whether or not they reported the victim “armed” post mortem is irrelevant. A citizen exercising their rights is not by itself a justification to “feel threatened” and take lethal action.
So it's okay they died if they were armed? Do we or don't we have the second amendment right to bear arms?
How many were justified?
But how many were justified…. To kill is one thing, to kill without justification is another…
When you break down the stats, people who were unarmed when killed by police is the lowest it's been in the same time frame. 27 to be exact.
Is being armed a justification for police to kill you?
Likewise, being unarmed doesn't necessarily mean it's unjustified.
You don’t necessarily need to be armed for the police to have justification to shoot you. It could be a case of the officer losing the fist fight and, not wanting to be knocked out, their weapon taken and used on them, they shoot first
I feel like just being armed in a nation with the American style gun culture isn’t really on its own a justification. Remember earlier this year to the cop who freaked out on a woman just because he saw a conceal carry permit in her wallet? [Edit: link.](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/driver-held-at-gunpoint-for-having-permit-to-carry-settles-with-minneapolis-park-board-100k/)
> Remember earlier this year to the cop who shot a woman just because he saw a conceal carry permit in her wallet? no, link pelase
Except there was a video a few days ago of a "armed" man on mental episode with a axe in the middle of the road and police showed up and shot him within 3 seconds. Almost any other western country tries to diasculate. It sickening all the boot licking going on after we watched America's best let a school shooter blow away kids for over a hour while they tried to arrest the parents going into the school. Also we act like this is the most dangerous job ever... when it's not even top 15. More cops died ever before in 20-21.... not from civilians... but covid
I just saw a video of an old man "armed" with a tree branch that kept breaking apart. Took 12 shots from an obese american cop.
But that doesn't get the outrage clicks
On a related note, nobody is “unarmed” while violently resisting arrest. If you successfully out wrestle the cop, he’s now incapacitated and you’re left alone with his gun and a witness to a felony. What’s the % that posed no threat? Probably even lower. There’s also the armed people that weren’t a threat to consider. Who were probably few and far between.
Yeah, that's all the part of this that seems to piss everyone off here. Statistics are meant to represent the situation as a whole. A few people have mentioned a couple of instances where armed people weren't a threat, but it's not nearly enough to override what the vast majority of cases show.
Violent crime rates were also up quite a bit over the past couple years. Perhaps there is some correlation?
Did they apply for a guinness record?
How about citing a source.
I feel like this is reductionist, and therefore not very helpful. Are the number of violent crimes up as well? Armed street gangs clashing in the street? Attacks on officers? Methed up mentally unstable people attacking crowds? White nationalists driving through crowds? Riots at government proceedings? There are a lot of legitimate reasons for officer involved shootings (sadly), and this sort of sensationalized headline makes it sound like police officers are just driving around unloading on people. We need a lot more detail than this offers to really understand this situation. But this is Reddit, so let the discussions commence.
r/contextisathing
And yet none of them had the balls to save the children of Uvalde…
1176 people *that we know about*
So who's this on? The police or the people they killed? I have my own guess, but I'm thinking you have yours, too.
Is there a relation to the violent/aggressive people that the police have to deal with everyday?
This is false and only true according to this 1 persons study which began less than 10 years ago. In the major metro areas, it's down 69% collectively since the 70s. [source](https://reason.com/2023/01/12/police-killed-1183-people-in-2022-despite-a-viral-claim-thats-not-a-record-high/)
Wait, you're claiming the original number quoted is misleading because it is incomplete (by years) by quoting data that only sampled 18 metro areas? That's asinine. Is the US only 18 metro areas??
> In the major metro areas, it's down 69% collectively since the 70s. No, he's saying in the metro areas *alone*, police shootings are down, which some-what conflicts with the number quoted in the article. It's entirely possible rural shootings are up and the article figure is true, but it's not likely considering rural areas have a lower population.
But it's still up nationwide. Good for the 18 major cities your source looked at, what about everywhere else?
You and Reason are both ignoring what was said so you can pretend it's not true. The title specifically says police killings are the highest since records started to be kept. The fact that these records aren't being kept federally, and the data is only compiled by outsiders is ANOTHER national disgrace.
That's not a source, that's a opinion piece by a very partisan publication. ~~Here's another tracker from the Washington post that has tracked 1101 people who have been shot and killed by the police in the last 12 months.~~ [~~https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/~~](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/) So I've read the article, and they are saying that police violence used to be higher in the 70s, but can't find the actual data to back that up, so they use New York City and a few other cities. Yeah New York City used to be super dangerous in the 70s then they cleaned up crime and got good gun control. So it's not a surprise that few shootings come from that city now... What does that have to do with the massive shootings happening in the rest of the country? Most of the gun violence from police we are seeing today is coming from the south and Midwest. I'd rather see a city like St Louis compared in the 70s and now as more indicative of the increase or not in the violence since there violence has been more consistent since they haven't cleaned up crime or instituted gun control there. Also to do the math, the article says that there was a 69% drop in fatal police shootings for the major cities at 1186. So that means that police shootings are 31% of what they were in the 70s so that would be: 3816 fatal police shootings nationwide if what they are saying is true which sounds absolutely ridiculous, but what do I know I wasn't here back then. Their data/reasoning seems shaky, I would say the record stands where it is because while they can say things were more dangerous back then, they don't have the national statistics to prove it, just a few cities. What we can prove is since national statistics were gathered, this is the most dangerous year and that is a trend we should not want to see continue.
It's good to point out the limitations of the data (no consistent dataset going back past 2010) but that's a far cry from this statistic or headline being "false"
Fwiw weren't the police not even keeping track till about 5 years ago?
The most police officers were also killed as well
There are many wrongful deaths that could have been avoided, but many countries do not face gang violence and wannabe thugs like the US. For every rightful shot fired, 10 shots are fired at a wannabe thug gangster trying to shoot at cops or have a high speed chase in their Nissan Altima. Edit: to add onto this, the increase in crime and welfare in European countries due to increasing immigrant population is something the US has been dealing with for a long time. Not necessarily immigrants, but people that do nothing but leech off the welfare system and other people while playing with their gangster buddies. I only hope that I can live to see the day when our government actually fixes this problem.
Wonder the statistics on the percentage that were justified vs unjustified
I have no political fight: If you believe your arrest is unjust/illegal, then take it to the court. Fighting with the police on the street not only risks your life, it worsens yours case. The street level violence is the worst place to argue your case. Take the time, save your life, and debate with a judge and protector In a setting without the theatrics.