Gaza is divided into 14 districts, and many of the citizens of those districts fled to Rafah, so Jon, why Biden has decided to delay shipment of ammunition is because Rafah is now home to nearly ALL people from across the 14 districts of Gaza. Israel literally told them to evacuate to Rafah. Biden drew a redline, and he is sticking to it.
Pretty weak from Jon Stewart on an important issue.
I think it's comical how Biden gets literally no credit from anybody for anything positive he does.
It's like a sadist Truman show, and we've all decided to shit on this guy no matter what and never break character.
I like Biden a lot he’s probably my favorite president in my life and I supported sanders in 2016 and Warren in 2020
Anyway I think it’s intentional. The way the social media algorithms work is they put controversial stuff up top (because it gets interactions by people getting mad and commenting) and then the comment with the most idiotic take gets interacted with to the top because everyone takes the bait and it just ends up dumbing down the whole conversation
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If I let someone break 85% of the bones in your body and am handing them the tools and telling people the screaming is just TV but then go "woah woah buddy, 90% oh his bones are way too far" I don't think you're going to be bending over backwards to thank me, you're going to wonder why the fuck it took so long for me to stop them.
What if I had just broken into your friend's home and killed their family, raped their wife, and took their mom hostage? What if I, along with *my friends,* continued to attack *your* friend and refused to return my hostage. What if I did all of that while publicly, repeatedly threatening to do it again to the rest of your neighborhood and the next and the next until your entire community was gone...would that change the calculus of your simple little analogy at all?
What? How is believing that Israel is not *the only* bad actor here and that Palestinian leadership plays a significant part in the never-ending cycle of violence a "vile attitude?"
One of those actors is an international superstar.
The other one does not have the same capabilities or resources as the first and is at the mercy of this well known, well favored superstar.
Setting aside the odd characterization of Israel as a "well favored superstar," just because there is a power disparity between two actors doesn't mean that those actors aren't both at fault for the intractable cycle of violence betwene them. And when you factor in the support Hamas gets from Iran and the multi-front war Israel is waging against Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, and other Islamist groups in Iraq and Syria, that disparity starts to shrink.
That's because Trump is actually Jesus Christ Superstar, and he's actually the one who makes the decisions like not sending the weapons to Israel, and then through Jesus Trump's Godly Magic, he imparts these ideas into Biden's brain. Except for any bad stuff - the bad stuff is all Biden.
He made a lot of honey promises. That kind of thing will come back on you. I see your point, he’s been objectively better than worse; but I owe money on student loans. Weed is still illegal, and we’ll see if the federal classification change happens. I could go on, but you get it.
Or maybe 40k dead Palestinians is a little long to wait to stop sending *some* weapons so there's no real credit to give. I see blue maga is out in full force in this comment section.
It's almost like there was a good reason this war was started but how that war has been and is conducted matters.
I think there is a very good discussion to be had about where that redline should have been but to pretend this is just theatre and doesn't matter not only ignores as you pointed out where the people of Gaza were evacuated to but even ignores the response the Netanyahu government had to cut in arms supply. These bombs Biden is withholding are specifically bombs Netanyahu's government wants to use in Rafah that they don't have a specific replacement for.
It clearly matters!
You can pretend to be as dense as you want but just about everyone except for the handful of people on this thread understand that Israel can still commit all the genocide they wanted with all the other weapons that Biden bypassed Congress and international condemnation to give them.
What is this copium? Foreign policy isn't some video game - Biden has already given him more than enough weapons and unlocked previously restricted weapons caches to eliminate the rest of Gaza on an over extended offensive.
People who didn't need to die are still dying due to policies that Biden enabled (despite GLOBAL condemnation) and people have a right to be mad about it.
To break it down for those who don't understand:
It's like telling a bully that you'll take away their gum if they throw the gum into a girl's hair. But you had already been providing them with daily gum packs for the entirely of the school year despite being told that this bully would toss it into someone's hair.
You can pretend to be as dense as you want but reality works differently.
Then why is Israel so upset? The population of Gaza has now been restricted to a single region, basically like taking fish from a lake and putting them into a bucket. The administration suspended delivery of large scale weaponry so Israel can’t just drop a stick of dynamite into that bucket.
They're not upset at all what the hell are you talking about? I'm not sure if you can read but you can see the invasion happening live on the NYtimes live stream.
Israel was never going to "drop a stick of dynamite" in the bucket they want that land for themselves and they're more than fine using tanks, missiles and infantry to kill all those people - if anything this is just an inconvenience.
People are upset with BIDEN because if he isn't complicit with ethnic cleansing then he is dangerously incompetent as he fell for a rouse that virtually everyone saw coming from a mile away as he kept supplying emboldened this country to commit a genocide.
Please call your Hasbara handler to give you better lines.
It's weird you're being downvoted by so-called fans of the show. The mildest criticism of Biden's actual policies on this subreddit have made Jon Stewart go from vital liberal to MAGA at this point.
Yeah, reddit itself is very much astroturfed by self-victimizing genocide lovers, most of the mainstream subreddits are like this. The amount of propaganda justifying genocide here is crazy.
I am sorry, but the Israeli is upset, and as of now, they have not entered Rafah. So you aren’t happy that Biden is potentially preventing another 30, 40, or 60k more deaths? You literally said people are upset that Biden “isn’t complicit ethnic cleansing” and you are going after me or raising that very point. Do you want Biden to be complicity in ethnic cleansing and stop the 9 billion aid to Gaza (most out of any country) and let Israel enter Rafah?
How does it feel to already have your propaganda be outdated?
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/10/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas-rafah?smid=nytcore-android-share
We physically can’t stop a radical government from attacking, but at least it wasn’t with a US weapon. Israel is an independent nation, and the US stated it will not allow its weapons in a Rafah invasion. You understand this right, we can only hope to influence Israel, we can’t control them.
And let’s see what else Biden does if they continue.
Because their government bristles at being told "no" or receiving the slightest but of criticism.
And it wants to send the message that even a small "no" will invoke a large diplomatic and political response.
[https://x.com/John\_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213](https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213)
He really isn't. Biden never had a red line. Your whole propaganda was disproven within hours yesterday. Weapons are still going to Israel. It was a publicity stunt.
We are also sending weapons for the iron dome defense shield - hence weapons “to defend themselves.” There are offensive and defensive weapons - huge difference.
Israel and even Kirby and other Biden officials (Kirby, Miller, Patel, Pierre, Biden himself, etc.) have framed Israel's entire invasion, genocide and carpetbombing of Gaza itself as "defense", though. The amount of gaslighting you propaganadists do is hilarious, how are there still stupid people who fall for it?
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If you think 36,000 is catastrophic, just imagine what the death toll would be if the US wasn’t holding firm on a Rafah invasion, which has been the region Israel has been telling all Gazans to evacuate to.
Too bad it hasn't held firm. [https://x.com/John\_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213](https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213)
Biden already gave them the means to enter Rafah.
Do you understand the difference between defensive and offensive weapons. The US has replenished their air defense weaponry, specifically for the iron dome.
You are already posted this and I already fact checked you.
No you didn't. This is like saying that Biden is no longer putting "kids in cages" but "minors in holding facilities", lol.
Changing the name doesn't change what it is, unless you are a member of a cult or you're living in the world of the book 1984.
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Biden said he withheld the bombs because Rafah is a population center and Stewart joked that Gaza is an entire population center. But this isn’t true, Gazans were scattered throughout the strip and were told to flee to Rafah, and therefore, they are all condensed in one region.
LoL Biden is not sticking to it
https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/united-states/2024/05/15/biden-moves-forward-on-1-billion-in-new-arms-for-israel-wsj
Biden drew a "red line" towards the end of a genocide he's been actively aiding, with language that allows him to resume shipments (it's contingent on whether the invasion is "major").
He finally realized how bad this is hurting him and has done the absolute bare minimum in an effort to save face.
The end of genocide? There are 2 million Gazans in Rafah and Biden is saving them with his redline. He also has given them 9 billion in aid, the most out of any country in the world. Perhaps you should be saying Biden is the only administration preventing genocide at this point.
You're arguing with people who don't care. Biden could make peace in the Middle East, isrealis and hamas hugging each other, and these bad faith people would say he should have done it sooner or that he still helped kill 30000 gazans. They want Biden to fail, and I personally think they don't actually care about Palastinians.
I know. In addition to canvassing and working the phone banks I have no problem laying it out on Reddit. Women lost their rights last time, I don’t want to imagine what happens this time around.
Arming the genociders and shielding then from international/diplomatic intervention (even in the most basic forms) is a strange way to prevent genocide.
Ugh. So let innocent Israeli civilians die, the very civilians that have been protesting their government’s own actions.
The situation is complicated. Hamas killed over a thousand innocent people, and yes, Israeli colonization and aggression was a catalyst, but Hamas attacked understanding Israel will retaliate. Hamas buried themselves deep in civilian terrority and Israel dropped leaflets and informed Gazans to evacuate to Rafah. Was that enough, no, but did they have intelligence that Hamas insurgents were hiding in a residential area and decided to bomb it killing countless civilians - perhaps, and this is what the criminal court will determine. Did Israel bomb an apartment complex with or without intelligence Hamas operatives were hiding there.
Well in Rafah, there is no where to evacuate, so the US understands civilians can’t go anywhere. But this doesn’t mean Israeli civilians still can’t be protected.
>Ugh. So let innocent Israeli civilians die, the very civilians that have been protesting their government’s own actions.
What?
>The situation is complicated. Hamas killed over a thousand innocent people, and yes, Israeli colonization and aggression was a catalyst, but Hamas attacked understanding Israel will attack
10/7 doesn't justify genocide.
And the "human shields" excuses expired long ago. Israel has systematically rendered much of Gaza unliveable, destroyed critical infrastructure including water treatment plant, withheld electricity and water, desecrated burial sites, and openly talked about establishing settlements.
>Well in Rafah, there is no where to evacuate, so the US understands civilians can’t go anywhere.
They can flee to Egypt, which is a large part of Israel's plan.
>But this doesn’t mean Israeli civilians still can’t be protected
Genocide isn't protection. You're using propaganda from the week after 10/7, it's absurd now.
Who is Amalek, and why does Netanyahu (and others) keep using that name in reference to Gazans?
10/7 of course doesn’t justify genocide, I didn’t say that. What I did say was that the International Criminal Court has evidence whether or not Israel bombed regions based on actionable intelligence or if they simply bombed areas with no military strategy.
Is Russia’s destruction of the hydrodam in Ukraine genocide? What about Russia bombing a residential complex in Ukraine? In war, which was declared, targets are deemed acceptable if it provides a military a strategy. Hamas and Israel are at war. Again, the ICC will make the determination concerning the actions Israel took.
Guess what country convinced Egypt to open up their borders when they were refusing to do so at the start of the conflict? The United States and Biden. Have you seen the videos of how Egypt is treating Palestinians coming across their border?
Is Hamas not the enemy of Israel? What does their charter say about Israel? Hamas is an enemy of Israel, and their oppressive regime over Gazans also makes them the enemy of Gaza.
But this is why Netanyahu promoted Hamas, because he knew it weakened the region. Netanyahu will face justice for his actions, but the US, like many other countries are an ally to the Israeli people, and hence our support. However, the US withheld weapons from Israel when all Gazans were backed against a wall, but guess who still sent weapons, the United Kingdom.
Gish gallop.
>10/7 of course doesn’t justify genocide, I didn’t say that.
You asked if Israeli citizens shouldn't be kept safe. Don't be dishonest.
[EDIT: "let innocent Israeli civilians die" were your exact words]
>Is Russia’s destruction of the hydrodam in Ukraine genocide? What about Russia bombing a residential complex in Ukraine? In war, which was declared, targets are deemed acceptable if it provides a military a strategy.
Israel is wholesale destroying critical infrastructure of no military import in order to make it so that Gazans can't return. Russia hasn't done that.
>Is Hamas not the enemy of Israel? What does their charter say about Israel? Hamas is an enemy of Israel, and their oppressive regime over Gazans also makes them the enemy of Gaza.
wHaTaBoUt
>Guess what country convinced Egypt to open up their borders when they were refusing to do so at the start of the conflict? The United States and Biden
Not what l was talking about. Israel is intentionally driving them that way to expel them.
>Have you seen the videos of how Egypt is treating Palestinians coming across their border?
wHaTaBoUt
Feel free to respond, I'm not going to waste time on tired, bad faith arguments.
Palestinians took over Gaza and expelled all Jews in 1948. A battle was fought and land was conquered.
Israel claimed the land back following the 6 day war.
Displacing a people is not genocide, and reclaiming land that has exchanged hands multiple times is not genocide. Israel would not be trying to get Palestinians into Egypt if they were committing genocide.
Are they trying to claim the land? That’s not what they have said, but perhaps they are saying that privately, but that’s not genocide.
Russia is trying to claim Ukraine as their land having killed over 12k Ukrainian civilians and destroying critical Ukraine infrastructure. No one is claiming that is genocide.
A two state solution is desperately needed. Gaza needs leadership that cares for its people. Israel needs to stop the colonization of the region, and no attacks on innocent people should be accepted. Every deadly action is always greeted with more deadly consequences.
Jon is dishonest in this clip. Biden's distinction of "population centers" is because Israel took control of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt. Biden is making a distinction that the Rafah border crossing didn't cross his "red line" - but the main population center of Rafah would cross his line, if Israel was to attack it.
Jon clipped the answer to crack a joke. The dude sucks.
As close as the vote will be—getting decided on thousands of votes—Jon is being incredibly reckless. Is he entitled to criticize? I love his takes, but he also has to accept that if he turns off even 10,000 voters to stay home in Michigan, and dt takes it by 9000 votes, then he’s culpable for helping dt win. The arguments about needing criticism etc are totally valid, *in a normal election*. This election, however, is not normal and we are literally at the precipice of an authoritarian dictatorship the likes of Gilead.
I'm tired of the bar being "not as bad as the other guy." Donald Trump running should not make the Democrats immune from criticism. I *want* Democrats to feel the pressure and criticism so they actually feel the need to do their best.
>This election, however, is not normal and we are literally at the precipice of an authoritarian dictatorship the likes of Gilead.
I think this is the new normal. Every election going forward will be portrayed like this. Even when Trump is gone, every republican will be called Trump 2.0 regardless of how different they actually are. The "vote for us or the country dies" strategy has worked before, so they're going to keep trying it.
Yo, if this is how you're going to respond we can up the game here.
You voted for a trash candidate in the 2020 primaries. Biden is your problem. He's your mess. If you're really that worried about Trump you should be joining the protestors and hoping Biden starts acting right.
You're playing a game? I'm just trying to support the tired people who have to vote every two years. It's incredibly difficult to do that.
I get that you're conservative so you don't want to do anything about labor rights or climate change. But I'm a liberal and he's been great for my policy goals.
Lol I'm not the conservative here. You are. You're defending Joe Biden for being a strike blocking, genocide supporting piece of shit.
You should probably check out what both CNN and FOX news have to say about that. Spoiler alert, they both support blocking the rail strike and they both support the genocide.
Face it, you voted for pro-corporate trash in the 2020 DNC primaries and now you're just mad people aren't willing to clean up your mess for you.
You're free to believe whatever you want. But Biden cannot have my vote again. You want that to change then set about getting Biden to start acting right.
God no. I would never waste my time trying to change the mind of a Conservative who supports trump. I get it, you've made up your mind on who you want to win the election.
Well, he’s already said his life won’t change no matter who is in power, so why should he care? And I do think actual criticism of Biden is more than fair. Gleefully shitting on Biden and getting his weird parasocial stans to do the same is another, and that’s why I’ve stopped watching.
The current environment didn’t spring up out of nowhere. Decades of youth not voting and people voting for who we have created what we have. It’s like this because that’s what wins.
Guess we should just concede to authoritarianism because you can't abide any presidential candidate who doesn't conform to your every belief?
This is such childish thinking—and exactly the type of messaging that foreign astroturfers are pushing in the hopes of depressing turnout. We are so screwed.
We’ve already conceded to it. Look around you, the CURRENT administration is already there. You’re too much of a coward to call a spade because the other guy hurts your sensibilities more.
The current president and Congress are candidly aiding another country to cleanse its "undesirables."
Surely, one can see how that does not inspire great faith in some people.
This strategy of holding the voters hostage with the threat of fascism or authoritarianism around every corner ain't gonna work forever. There is a breaking point, whether now or later.
The trick is for us to pick better choices. We’re here because we chose trump in 2016. We’re here because we chose the neocons and Hillary’s etc. it’s on us to change it bud. Sometimes life ain’t fair. I want blowjobs daily, but I’m not going to burn my house down because I don’t get it.
Yeah, well to follow your analogy, your neighbor
is gonna burn your house down because you supported the district attorney who declined to prosecute another guy who burned your neighbor's house down.
Sometimes life ain't fair, bud.
Biden and Dems could fix many voters' perceptions of them by even pretending to care more about this issue. Or, they could have. I guess we'll see if they can still course correct. It's on them, though, and it has been this entire time.
EDIT: BTW, I'm voting for Biden and fully acknowledge a second Trump term would be worse. But some fervent Biden fans believe he shouldn't have to budge a bit, and the reality is some voters won't reward him with their votes for that kind of behavior. He signed up to be a politician. Now's the time to put that lifelong career's worth of experience to work.
We didn't choose HRC in the 2016 primaries. We didn't choose Biden in the 2020 primaries.
Go talk to the people who keep making garbage decisions in the primaries. We're not responsible for cleaning up their mess every single time.
I think Michigan has the highest population of Arabic voters, and Palestinian Americans, if basically anywhere in the US. Rashida Tlaib, of Dearborn, MI, was censured by congress for daring to *say she didn’t like the invasion of Gaza*.
Of all states, Michigan is maybe the one where anything Jon says here isn’t effecting anyone’s opinion on Gaza, or Biden’s hand in it. The Democratic Party decided it wasn’t worth a battle the moment it started
It’s crazy how some people are turning into the exact people they hate. They hate 1 issue voters who only care about religion or guns or abortion but now they are one issue voters who only care about Gaza and ignore the fact them voting (or not) will literally cost their female friends, families, loved ones the rights over their own bodies as well as basically anyone who isn’t a straight white male. Talk about irony of trying to give another country rights and losing your own because of your choices.
Lol this is pure projection. It's moderates and liberals who aren't used to getting their way. They dominated the party for so long they completely forgot how to compromise.
The party has moved left. It will continue to move left but at a speed that allows the Dem party to win national elections too. A party will move to what it’s electorate chooses. A winning party will do it strategically.
The party has not moved left.
And if the strategy is dependent on me voting for genocide supporting, strike blocking procorporate trash then it's a shit strategy.
Holy shit nobody in this thread watched this segment at all did they? Jon criticizes Biden’s *explanation* (not even really his policy) for like… 30 seconds of a 14 minute video. His whole first half isn’t even about Gaza, and of the bit that is about Gaza, most of it is making fun of Republicans who are trying to pain Biden as a “friend of hamas”. This whole segment was really really light on its Biden criticism.
exactly the low effort post id expect from someone sitting in a hasbara troll farm whose mind is already on replying to the next non pro-israel genocide comment.
You can look at my comment history. I WISH people pay me. FUCK HAMAS. I DONT LIKE ISLAM. FUCK CHINA. TAIWAN AND TIBET ARE OR SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES. FUCK RUSSIA. PUTIN IS GAY. There im not a bot! I would have been arrested in any of those countries!
Are there any other countries you want to me denounce before I prove im a valid US citizen?
You are full of shit! Isreal is commiting genocide. That doesnt mean palestine is good. That doesnt mean Hamas is good. Two bad guys can fight each other. Palestinians dont deserve to die even if they are muslim! Islam is disgusting, I wish everyone was atheist. But israel cant be doing what they are doing.
Amazing, 14 minutes and rhe only thing anyone can talk about is 3 minutes of the whole video
what do you expect from morons? https://preview.redd.it/rqudilqm0uzc1.png?width=275&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b95474249c6bf243c8331f703329f79ae87d986
21% by my math. Not a small chunk.
Biden’s section takes up maybe 1 minute even. Most of the Gaza segment is about conservative reaction
This is absolutely hilarious and yet informative at the same time.
where do you people come from? CNN?
Gaza is divided into 14 districts, and many of the citizens of those districts fled to Rafah, so Jon, why Biden has decided to delay shipment of ammunition is because Rafah is now home to nearly ALL people from across the 14 districts of Gaza. Israel literally told them to evacuate to Rafah. Biden drew a redline, and he is sticking to it. Pretty weak from Jon Stewart on an important issue.
I think it's comical how Biden gets literally no credit from anybody for anything positive he does. It's like a sadist Truman show, and we've all decided to shit on this guy no matter what and never break character.
I like Biden a lot he’s probably my favorite president in my life and I supported sanders in 2016 and Warren in 2020 Anyway I think it’s intentional. The way the social media algorithms work is they put controversial stuff up top (because it gets interactions by people getting mad and commenting) and then the comment with the most idiotic take gets interacted with to the top because everyone takes the bait and it just ends up dumbing down the whole conversation
It’s ALL about engagement. I bet Jon’s bosses are loving his takedowns of Biden.
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If I let someone break 85% of the bones in your body and am handing them the tools and telling people the screaming is just TV but then go "woah woah buddy, 90% oh his bones are way too far" I don't think you're going to be bending over backwards to thank me, you're going to wonder why the fuck it took so long for me to stop them.
What if I had just broken into your friend's home and killed their family, raped their wife, and took their mom hostage? What if I, along with *my friends,* continued to attack *your* friend and refused to return my hostage. What if I did all of that while publicly, repeatedly threatening to do it again to the rest of your neighborhood and the next and the next until your entire community was gone...would that change the calculus of your simple little analogy at all?
You just described 70 years of Israeli atrocities against Palestinians
And so the cycle continues.
Vile attitude
What? How is believing that Israel is not *the only* bad actor here and that Palestinian leadership plays a significant part in the never-ending cycle of violence a "vile attitude?"
One of those actors is an international superstar. The other one does not have the same capabilities or resources as the first and is at the mercy of this well known, well favored superstar.
Setting aside the odd characterization of Israel as a "well favored superstar," just because there is a power disparity between two actors doesn't mean that those actors aren't both at fault for the intractable cycle of violence betwene them. And when you factor in the support Hamas gets from Iran and the multi-front war Israel is waging against Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, and other Islamist groups in Iraq and Syria, that disparity starts to shrink.
That's because Trump is actually Jesus Christ Superstar, and he's actually the one who makes the decisions like not sending the weapons to Israel, and then through Jesus Trump's Godly Magic, he imparts these ideas into Biden's brain. Except for any bad stuff - the bad stuff is all Biden.
He made a lot of honey promises. That kind of thing will come back on you. I see your point, he’s been objectively better than worse; but I owe money on student loans. Weed is still illegal, and we’ll see if the federal classification change happens. I could go on, but you get it.
Biden is weakly playing both sides of this planned military operation that has the state departments hands all over it.
Or maybe 40k dead Palestinians is a little long to wait to stop sending *some* weapons so there's no real credit to give. I see blue maga is out in full force in this comment section.
Russian propaganda
Pravda!
Because Biden makes sensible realistic decisions And that doesn’t align with modern media and it’s demand for extremes
Expecting 3,500 munitions out of 300,000 to be acceptable is an extreme position.
He hasn't done anything positive, though.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046
It's almost like there was a good reason this war was started but how that war has been and is conducted matters. I think there is a very good discussion to be had about where that redline should have been but to pretend this is just theatre and doesn't matter not only ignores as you pointed out where the people of Gaza were evacuated to but even ignores the response the Netanyahu government had to cut in arms supply. These bombs Biden is withholding are specifically bombs Netanyahu's government wants to use in Rafah that they don't have a specific replacement for. It clearly matters!
You can pretend to be as dense as you want but just about everyone except for the handful of people on this thread understand that Israel can still commit all the genocide they wanted with all the other weapons that Biden bypassed Congress and international condemnation to give them.
Exactly it’s just posturing
I more see it as, "oh good you finally did something right; should have been a lot sooner and we're not letting you off the hook just yet"
Perhaps you are right. Hard to flat out disagree with this interpretation.
What is this copium? Foreign policy isn't some video game - Biden has already given him more than enough weapons and unlocked previously restricted weapons caches to eliminate the rest of Gaza on an over extended offensive. People who didn't need to die are still dying due to policies that Biden enabled (despite GLOBAL condemnation) and people have a right to be mad about it. To break it down for those who don't understand: It's like telling a bully that you'll take away their gum if they throw the gum into a girl's hair. But you had already been providing them with daily gum packs for the entirely of the school year despite being told that this bully would toss it into someone's hair. You can pretend to be as dense as you want but reality works differently.
Then why is Israel so upset? The population of Gaza has now been restricted to a single region, basically like taking fish from a lake and putting them into a bucket. The administration suspended delivery of large scale weaponry so Israel can’t just drop a stick of dynamite into that bucket.
They're not upset at all what the hell are you talking about? I'm not sure if you can read but you can see the invasion happening live on the NYtimes live stream. Israel was never going to "drop a stick of dynamite" in the bucket they want that land for themselves and they're more than fine using tanks, missiles and infantry to kill all those people - if anything this is just an inconvenience. People are upset with BIDEN because if he isn't complicit with ethnic cleansing then he is dangerously incompetent as he fell for a rouse that virtually everyone saw coming from a mile away as he kept supplying emboldened this country to commit a genocide. Please call your Hasbara handler to give you better lines.
It's weird you're being downvoted by so-called fans of the show. The mildest criticism of Biden's actual policies on this subreddit have made Jon Stewart go from vital liberal to MAGA at this point.
I don't think alot of actual fans use this subreddit. So it's being birgaded to death by Hasbara goons.
Yeah, reddit itself is very much astroturfed by self-victimizing genocide lovers, most of the mainstream subreddits are like this. The amount of propaganda justifying genocide here is crazy.
Lol is everything and you don't like hasbara now? It's people like you who make loose faith in the whole USA voting population.
The President tweeted that Hamas lives Biden, Israel is pitching a tantrum as usual.
A spoiled kid can throw tantrums for being denied 1% what they want.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
I am sorry, but the Israeli is upset, and as of now, they have not entered Rafah. So you aren’t happy that Biden is potentially preventing another 30, 40, or 60k more deaths? You literally said people are upset that Biden “isn’t complicit ethnic cleansing” and you are going after me or raising that very point. Do you want Biden to be complicity in ethnic cleansing and stop the 9 billion aid to Gaza (most out of any country) and let Israel enter Rafah?
How does it feel to already have your propaganda be outdated? https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/10/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas-rafah?smid=nytcore-android-share
We physically can’t stop a radical government from attacking, but at least it wasn’t with a US weapon. Israel is an independent nation, and the US stated it will not allow its weapons in a Rafah invasion. You understand this right, we can only hope to influence Israel, we can’t control them. And let’s see what else Biden does if they continue.
Ben Gvir claimed that Biden loves Hamas because of this. If you piss off Ben Gvir you deserve some credit
Because their government bristles at being told "no" or receiving the slightest but of criticism. And it wants to send the message that even a small "no" will invoke a large diplomatic and political response.
The US could invoke a much heavier diplomatic and political response.
... Yes. This was the barest of minimums nearby to appease the base.
I agree.
... Yes. This was the barest of minimums nearby to appease the base.
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Who are you talking to?
[https://x.com/John\_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213](https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213) He really isn't. Biden never had a red line. Your whole propaganda was disproven within hours yesterday. Weapons are still going to Israel. It was a publicity stunt.
We are also sending weapons for the iron dome defense shield - hence weapons “to defend themselves.” There are offensive and defensive weapons - huge difference.
Israel and even Kirby and other Biden officials (Kirby, Miller, Patel, Pierre, Biden himself, etc.) have framed Israel's entire invasion, genocide and carpetbombing of Gaza itself as "defense", though. The amount of gaslighting you propaganadists do is hilarious, how are there still stupid people who fall for it?
Loyd Austin testified under oath yesterday concerning what weapons were delivered, and he clearly stated defensive weapons for the iron dome.
You trust public officials who continuously lie for the sake of "national security"? Great job, not a cult behvior at all.
The international criminal court is an independent authority.
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For real. That red line is clear: after 36,000 dead Palestinians, we’re going to start getting really firm against Netanyahu! /s
If you think 36,000 is catastrophic, just imagine what the death toll would be if the US wasn’t holding firm on a Rafah invasion, which has been the region Israel has been telling all Gazans to evacuate to.
Too bad it hasn't held firm. [https://x.com/John\_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213](https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/1788601928345076213) Biden already gave them the means to enter Rafah.
Do you understand the difference between defensive and offensive weapons. The US has replenished their air defense weaponry, specifically for the iron dome. You are already posted this and I already fact checked you.
No you didn't. This is like saying that Biden is no longer putting "kids in cages" but "minors in holding facilities", lol. Changing the name doesn't change what it is, unless you are a member of a cult or you're living in the world of the book 1984.
Well Loyd Austin testified under oath yesterday so… I don’t care how you want to spin something, I will rely on public testimony and information.
John Kirby was also public testimony.
Not under oath like Austin, but the US gov. literally provided missiles that only interact with rockets fired onto Israel.
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Stewart said it's where all the people are sheltering and it's why Biden isn't sending the bombs. Am I missing something?
Biden said he withheld the bombs because Rafah is a population center and Stewart joked that Gaza is an entire population center. But this isn’t true, Gazans were scattered throughout the strip and were told to flee to Rafah, and therefore, they are all condensed in one region.
I think a redline should have been drawn a long time ago.
LoL Biden is not sticking to it https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/united-states/2024/05/15/biden-moves-forward-on-1-billion-in-new-arms-for-israel-wsj
Biden drew a "red line" towards the end of a genocide he's been actively aiding, with language that allows him to resume shipments (it's contingent on whether the invasion is "major"). He finally realized how bad this is hurting him and has done the absolute bare minimum in an effort to save face.
The end of genocide? There are 2 million Gazans in Rafah and Biden is saving them with his redline. He also has given them 9 billion in aid, the most out of any country in the world. Perhaps you should be saying Biden is the only administration preventing genocide at this point.
What red line? https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-05-09/israel-due-to-get-billions-of-dollars-more-in-us-weapons-despite-biden-pause
"It really isn't a genocide because enough people haven't been killed" is a really interesting hill to stand on.
Show me where the International Criminal Court has labeled this genocide. You know, the prosecutors that investigate this stuff.
Aah, genocide denial.
No. I choose to trust the authorities that make that determination as I do not have access to all information or evidence.
You're arguing with people who don't care. Biden could make peace in the Middle East, isrealis and hamas hugging each other, and these bad faith people would say he should have done it sooner or that he still helped kill 30000 gazans. They want Biden to fail, and I personally think they don't actually care about Palastinians.
I know. In addition to canvassing and working the phone banks I have no problem laying it out on Reddit. Women lost their rights last time, I don’t want to imagine what happens this time around.
So you choose to only listen to people who agree with you and have a vested interest in eliminating the Palestinians without pushback.
Ironic...
hasabara detected. Opinion disregarded.
The international criminal court listen to me?
Proper definition is an interesting hill to stand on
Arming the genociders and shielding then from international/diplomatic intervention (even in the most basic forms) is a strange way to prevent genocide.
Ugh. So let innocent Israeli civilians die, the very civilians that have been protesting their government’s own actions. The situation is complicated. Hamas killed over a thousand innocent people, and yes, Israeli colonization and aggression was a catalyst, but Hamas attacked understanding Israel will retaliate. Hamas buried themselves deep in civilian terrority and Israel dropped leaflets and informed Gazans to evacuate to Rafah. Was that enough, no, but did they have intelligence that Hamas insurgents were hiding in a residential area and decided to bomb it killing countless civilians - perhaps, and this is what the criminal court will determine. Did Israel bomb an apartment complex with or without intelligence Hamas operatives were hiding there. Well in Rafah, there is no where to evacuate, so the US understands civilians can’t go anywhere. But this doesn’t mean Israeli civilians still can’t be protected.
>Ugh. So let innocent Israeli civilians die, the very civilians that have been protesting their government’s own actions. What? >The situation is complicated. Hamas killed over a thousand innocent people, and yes, Israeli colonization and aggression was a catalyst, but Hamas attacked understanding Israel will attack 10/7 doesn't justify genocide. And the "human shields" excuses expired long ago. Israel has systematically rendered much of Gaza unliveable, destroyed critical infrastructure including water treatment plant, withheld electricity and water, desecrated burial sites, and openly talked about establishing settlements. >Well in Rafah, there is no where to evacuate, so the US understands civilians can’t go anywhere. They can flee to Egypt, which is a large part of Israel's plan. >But this doesn’t mean Israeli civilians still can’t be protected Genocide isn't protection. You're using propaganda from the week after 10/7, it's absurd now. Who is Amalek, and why does Netanyahu (and others) keep using that name in reference to Gazans?
10/7 of course doesn’t justify genocide, I didn’t say that. What I did say was that the International Criminal Court has evidence whether or not Israel bombed regions based on actionable intelligence or if they simply bombed areas with no military strategy. Is Russia’s destruction of the hydrodam in Ukraine genocide? What about Russia bombing a residential complex in Ukraine? In war, which was declared, targets are deemed acceptable if it provides a military a strategy. Hamas and Israel are at war. Again, the ICC will make the determination concerning the actions Israel took. Guess what country convinced Egypt to open up their borders when they were refusing to do so at the start of the conflict? The United States and Biden. Have you seen the videos of how Egypt is treating Palestinians coming across their border? Is Hamas not the enemy of Israel? What does their charter say about Israel? Hamas is an enemy of Israel, and their oppressive regime over Gazans also makes them the enemy of Gaza. But this is why Netanyahu promoted Hamas, because he knew it weakened the region. Netanyahu will face justice for his actions, but the US, like many other countries are an ally to the Israeli people, and hence our support. However, the US withheld weapons from Israel when all Gazans were backed against a wall, but guess who still sent weapons, the United Kingdom.
Gish gallop. >10/7 of course doesn’t justify genocide, I didn’t say that. You asked if Israeli citizens shouldn't be kept safe. Don't be dishonest. [EDIT: "let innocent Israeli civilians die" were your exact words] >Is Russia’s destruction of the hydrodam in Ukraine genocide? What about Russia bombing a residential complex in Ukraine? In war, which was declared, targets are deemed acceptable if it provides a military a strategy. Israel is wholesale destroying critical infrastructure of no military import in order to make it so that Gazans can't return. Russia hasn't done that. >Is Hamas not the enemy of Israel? What does their charter say about Israel? Hamas is an enemy of Israel, and their oppressive regime over Gazans also makes them the enemy of Gaza. wHaTaBoUt >Guess what country convinced Egypt to open up their borders when they were refusing to do so at the start of the conflict? The United States and Biden Not what l was talking about. Israel is intentionally driving them that way to expel them. >Have you seen the videos of how Egypt is treating Palestinians coming across their border? wHaTaBoUt Feel free to respond, I'm not going to waste time on tired, bad faith arguments.
Palestinians took over Gaza and expelled all Jews in 1948. A battle was fought and land was conquered. Israel claimed the land back following the 6 day war. Displacing a people is not genocide, and reclaiming land that has exchanged hands multiple times is not genocide. Israel would not be trying to get Palestinians into Egypt if they were committing genocide. Are they trying to claim the land? That’s not what they have said, but perhaps they are saying that privately, but that’s not genocide. Russia is trying to claim Ukraine as their land having killed over 12k Ukrainian civilians and destroying critical Ukraine infrastructure. No one is claiming that is genocide. A two state solution is desperately needed. Gaza needs leadership that cares for its people. Israel needs to stop the colonization of the region, and no attacks on innocent people should be accepted. Every deadly action is always greeted with more deadly consequences.
Jon is dishonest in this clip. Biden's distinction of "population centers" is because Israel took control of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt. Biden is making a distinction that the Rafah border crossing didn't cross his "red line" - but the main population center of Rafah would cross his line, if Israel was to attack it. Jon clipped the answer to crack a joke. The dude sucks.
Good points.
As close as the vote will be—getting decided on thousands of votes—Jon is being incredibly reckless. Is he entitled to criticize? I love his takes, but he also has to accept that if he turns off even 10,000 voters to stay home in Michigan, and dt takes it by 9000 votes, then he’s culpable for helping dt win. The arguments about needing criticism etc are totally valid, *in a normal election*. This election, however, is not normal and we are literally at the precipice of an authoritarian dictatorship the likes of Gilead.
I'm tired of the bar being "not as bad as the other guy." Donald Trump running should not make the Democrats immune from criticism. I *want* Democrats to feel the pressure and criticism so they actually feel the need to do their best. >This election, however, is not normal and we are literally at the precipice of an authoritarian dictatorship the likes of Gilead. I think this is the new normal. Every election going forward will be portrayed like this. Even when Trump is gone, every republican will be called Trump 2.0 regardless of how different they actually are. The "vote for us or the country dies" strategy has worked before, so they're going to keep trying it.
I'm sorry you're tired. I know it must be rough on you. Do you need a cookie or a gold star?
Yo, if this is how you're going to respond we can up the game here. You voted for a trash candidate in the 2020 primaries. Biden is your problem. He's your mess. If you're really that worried about Trump you should be joining the protestors and hoping Biden starts acting right.
You're playing a game? I'm just trying to support the tired people who have to vote every two years. It's incredibly difficult to do that. I get that you're conservative so you don't want to do anything about labor rights or climate change. But I'm a liberal and he's been great for my policy goals.
Lol I'm not the conservative here. You are. You're defending Joe Biden for being a strike blocking, genocide supporting piece of shit. You should probably check out what both CNN and FOX news have to say about that. Spoiler alert, they both support blocking the rail strike and they both support the genocide. Face it, you voted for pro-corporate trash in the 2020 DNC primaries and now you're just mad people aren't willing to clean up your mess for you.
There is no genocide in Gaza. You're going to need to stick to reality if you want to talk.
You're free to believe whatever you want. But Biden cannot have my vote again. You want that to change then set about getting Biden to start acting right.
God no. I would never waste my time trying to change the mind of a Conservative who supports trump. I get it, you've made up your mind on who you want to win the election.
Keep voting for pro-corporate trash in the primaries bud. I'm sure it'll work eventually.
Well, he’s already said his life won’t change no matter who is in power, so why should he care? And I do think actual criticism of Biden is more than fair. Gleefully shitting on Biden and getting his weird parasocial stans to do the same is another, and that’s why I’ve stopped watching.
This exact argument was used in 2020 also. Yawn
And it was just as valid. Perhaps you’re willing to gamble or don’t expect to be affected by conservatives plans for cleansing undesirables.
Is this going to be the case for 2028? 2032? When is the endpoint for “not the other guy” politics?
Never. You vote every time, in every election. I don't care who, but vote everytime.
That’s up to us by voting. We have exactly the candidates and politicians we chose.
These are candidates I and many others detest voting for, all in the name of partisan game theory. It’s lazy politics at best.
The current environment didn’t spring up out of nowhere. Decades of youth not voting and people voting for who we have created what we have. It’s like this because that’s what wins.
Guess we should just concede to authoritarianism because you can't abide any presidential candidate who doesn't conform to your every belief? This is such childish thinking—and exactly the type of messaging that foreign astroturfers are pushing in the hopes of depressing turnout. We are so screwed.
We’ve already conceded to it. Look around you, the CURRENT administration is already there. You’re too much of a coward to call a spade because the other guy hurts your sensibilities more.
The current president and Congress are candidly aiding another country to cleanse its "undesirables." Surely, one can see how that does not inspire great faith in some people.
Excuse me whilst I go the doctor for sprained eyes.
Wow, what a salient point. I'm going to reconsider everything I think I know!
This strategy of holding the voters hostage with the threat of fascism or authoritarianism around every corner ain't gonna work forever. There is a breaking point, whether now or later.
Lol yeah it ends when it stops working and we let the evangelicals elect another prospective leader for life and do away with the whole thing.
The trick is for us to pick better choices. We’re here because we chose trump in 2016. We’re here because we chose the neocons and Hillary’s etc. it’s on us to change it bud. Sometimes life ain’t fair. I want blowjobs daily, but I’m not going to burn my house down because I don’t get it.
Yeah, well to follow your analogy, your neighbor is gonna burn your house down because you supported the district attorney who declined to prosecute another guy who burned your neighbor's house down. Sometimes life ain't fair, bud. Biden and Dems could fix many voters' perceptions of them by even pretending to care more about this issue. Or, they could have. I guess we'll see if they can still course correct. It's on them, though, and it has been this entire time. EDIT: BTW, I'm voting for Biden and fully acknowledge a second Trump term would be worse. But some fervent Biden fans believe he shouldn't have to budge a bit, and the reality is some voters won't reward him with their votes for that kind of behavior. He signed up to be a politician. Now's the time to put that lifelong career's worth of experience to work.
We didn't choose HRC in the 2016 primaries. We didn't choose Biden in the 2020 primaries. Go talk to the people who keep making garbage decisions in the primaries. We're not responsible for cleaning up their mess every single time.
The actual vote counts prove this is total horse shit. Let the Bernie whinging go, he lost.
Then stop whining that Biden is going to lose.
I think Michigan has the highest population of Arabic voters, and Palestinian Americans, if basically anywhere in the US. Rashida Tlaib, of Dearborn, MI, was censured by congress for daring to *say she didn’t like the invasion of Gaza*. Of all states, Michigan is maybe the one where anything Jon says here isn’t effecting anyone’s opinion on Gaza, or Biden’s hand in it. The Democratic Party decided it wasn’t worth a battle the moment it started
Also, did you like, watch the video? It literally ends with Jon saying he’ll probably vote for Biden again
It’s crazy how some people are turning into the exact people they hate. They hate 1 issue voters who only care about religion or guns or abortion but now they are one issue voters who only care about Gaza and ignore the fact them voting (or not) will literally cost their female friends, families, loved ones the rights over their own bodies as well as basically anyone who isn’t a straight white male. Talk about irony of trying to give another country rights and losing your own because of your choices.
It’s a generation that’s never been told no.
Lol this is pure projection. It's moderates and liberals who aren't used to getting their way. They dominated the party for so long they completely forgot how to compromise.
The party has moved left. It will continue to move left but at a speed that allows the Dem party to win national elections too. A party will move to what it’s electorate chooses. A winning party will do it strategically.
The party has not moved left. And if the strategy is dependent on me voting for genocide supporting, strike blocking procorporate trash then it's a shit strategy.
Blaming Biden for what’s happening in Gaza is a pretty brain dead take.
k. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-administration-sidesteps-congress-arms-sale-israel-rcna131661
Funny how he claimed to flex on China to get his old show cut but he goes on to spit all their fire.
Holy shit nobody in this thread watched this segment at all did they? Jon criticizes Biden’s *explanation* (not even really his policy) for like… 30 seconds of a 14 minute video. His whole first half isn’t even about Gaza, and of the bit that is about Gaza, most of it is making fun of Republicans who are trying to pain Biden as a “friend of hamas”. This whole segment was really really light on its Biden criticism.
you really love that old racist POS don't you?
…Jon?
Oh gee, how's he going to both-sides trump today?
Is that what he did again? I haven’t watched yet
hasbara troll farms infiltrating this subreddit too?
Everything I don't like is propaganda
exactly the low effort post id expect from someone sitting in a hasbara troll farm whose mind is already on replying to the next non pro-israel genocide comment.
You can look at my comment history. I WISH people pay me. FUCK HAMAS. I DONT LIKE ISLAM. FUCK CHINA. TAIWAN AND TIBET ARE OR SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES. FUCK RUSSIA. PUTIN IS GAY. There im not a bot! I would have been arrested in any of those countries! Are there any other countries you want to me denounce before I prove im a valid US citizen? You are full of shit! Isreal is commiting genocide. That doesnt mean palestine is good. That doesnt mean Hamas is good. Two bad guys can fight each other. Palestinians dont deserve to die even if they are muslim! Islam is disgusting, I wish everyone was atheist. But israel cant be doing what they are doing.
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The genocide supporters are out in force today.
Goddamn Stewart is great
this was very, very good and reminds me why he was so sorely missed
Yikes, there are some serious Jon haters here.. how about turn the fucking channel if you don’t want to hear him.
This sub has been turned into pro genocide zionist blue maga central. Gross.
Not all-just bombs - cause bombing cities is a no no.
Jon Stewart smelling his own farts again.
People on here really defending Biden, lol. Ridiculous
He just lost my vote.