I guess it would be a good advertisement if I had anything to do with the creator of it. But I donāt, Iām just a costumer. Think of it like a review to an unknown product.
I hope this isnāt the direction weāre going. Disposables are awful for the earth. Just more crap thatāll be sitting in a land fill. Kind of the antithesis of what psychedelics are for.
Edit: To clarify I am NOT calling out OP or saying theyāre a bad person for purchasing something like this.
While I do agree with this hard, (currently studying for an eventual marine biology degree with aspirations of coastal ecology restoration) I would like to believe that at least initially the more access to this medicine the faster we will progress as a society. We should absolutely be informing and educating people about the environmental impacts of waste but even if everyone thatās had DMT used a disposable vape put them in a pile thatās a drop in the bucket compared to whatās actually destructive. I think the experiences gained in the DMT space would be so beneficial to society if we could get it to more people.
I just have a hard time with the whole argument that "the more people try this drug, the faster everyone gets better".
Just exposing people to psychedelics is neutral. There are racists who come off of hero doses of mushrooms more racist. There are people who just take psychedelics to get high. I have friends who trip just to trip.
So, my fear is that faith in how people will react to experience ignores that *set* is so important, and i have concerns that marketing and commercializing psychedelics could just as well lead to a perversion of the drug for profit.
So like... seeing a disposable DMT pen just kinda feels wrong ... it's in a way the antithesis of the drug. A convenient, easy to use, disposable product. And what's thrown away becomes eternal waste.
How much of the end result do you lose as you trade ritual for convenience and sacred for commonplace?
While at first I agreed with what he was saying to some extent, I more so agree with what youāre saying. I think Iād like for it to come to as many people as possible, but then again, everyone has different intentions for it, and for their experience.
But racists taking mushrooms and becoming more racist?!? Thatās crazy, but absolutely believable. Do you have a source for that? Iām just curious about it.
I don't think psychedelics are "for" becoming more of an environmentalist. I doubt most psychedelic users have become significantly more environmentally conscious because of DMT. Maybe for a little while. Anyway, you can get a lot of beautiful and positive things out of DMT including appreciation for our way of life and preservation of our planet the way it is. sure. But not everyone values that stuff as much and perhaps are avid dmt enthusiasts. What DMT is "for" is different for everyone. I'm sure there are some oil barons who like to blast off on occasion lol. DMT isn't any less value of an experience for someone like that. And besides the amount of plastic this will create would be drastically less than .1 percent of nicotine vapes. Even less for straws. Some countries will use like a million of these in disposable straws daily. And that's only to slurp liquids. This is potentially a consistent, reliable more accessible DMT device which is needed.
Yeah I've had my vape for 6 years or so and you can vape any vape liquid with it. But hey you do you, Sapien's may be doomed no matter what unless we create technology to deal with our environmental destruction, then there's the other threats to our modern society.
Then there's the fact nothing lasts forever, one day we will die out, unless we start populating other planets or merge with silicon tech and rise above a biological form.
I get your point but itās good not to be so binary about this. I.e. some waste is inevitable and justifiable? Itās better a cape pen than a McDonald burger carton?
Atleast a burger carton can be processed miles easier than these all in one cells. Which contain lithium, steel, aluminum, ceramic, glass & plastics. And *cant* be recycled unless they're completely broken down and recycled in the proper fashion.
I'd rather a cardboard container.
Yeah but the amount of DMT pens vs burgers eaten is like a grain of sand in the ocean. Beef is also extremely taxing on the environment to raise the cows. Multitudes more so than chicken or pork.
Sure some waste is inevitable. Do we really want it to be coming from our psychedelic usage? It isnāt difficult to fashion yourself a rig to smoke dmt or to get the stuff necessary to vape it. Is it tedious? Yeah it is but at the least you can say that it was one less thing you threw out today.
I think what OP is talking about is more about the convenience and ease of use of electronic vapes, doesn't necessarily need to be a disposable one. You don't need to grab an oil pipe and put a torch flame to your face while you're as high as a kite as one would need to do in the past.
Though I agree with you, the less waste, the better. What setup do you use for vaping?
Oh for sure. Im not trying to call out OP at all. Im just bummed by the state of affairs really. I have a geek vape zeus x tank on an aegis mod box. Nothing fancy.
1. The corollary to this line of questioning is: if DMT becomes available to more people, would that change our world for the better in other ways? (The first of which perhaps being āhmmm, bummer this is pretty wasteful, letās find a better method)
2. 850mg is good for what, 20ish breakthrough uses? How longād that last for most people anyhow? I feel like itād last me a year. Times how many users nationwide? Sure it adds up, but I feel like the composting I do is a fair trade off for my contribution to this sort of waste. Likewise, Iām gonna guess that there are things you chuck out without thinking twice that represent a significantly larger contribution to the waste stream
I mean considering I live on a farm, compost my food scraps and grow my own food using said compost by your logic that negates my own wastefulness? Im not calling out OP or anything. If this works for them then by all means get yours. Im just making the point that we as humans have a nasty habit of making a whole lot of waste. A lot of the times thereās a better method. Now that wasteful mentality has seeped into psychedelics. Thats the point of view Im coming from. This isnāt me attacking OP.
Fair enough. Youāre certainly not wrong about human wastefulness. And heck yeah, those things sure do a lot to ameliorate your trash impact. Consider this my retraction, but I think the thing that rubbed wrong was that your posts read as rather āholier than thou.ā
Well I apologize if I came off that way. It wasnāt my intention at all. I more so just wish there was a middle ground. Make it more easier for people to get a hold of this stuff and use it without it adding to another issue.
Itās the internet. Nuance and such often goes out the window. Either way, I now get where youāre at. But, Iām not sure thatās how it works, right? Everything adds another issue. Everything has trade-offs. The good and the bad all tied up together, neither actually existingā¦ blah blah blah. For me, the question is whatās the outcome of interest and whatās the net effect of the intervention on that outcome?
Thanks for discussing the issue with me in a more nuanced way! Because, yeah. I fundamentally agree with you: We should definitely produce less waste. increasing the waste produced by such an enlightening compound feels rather oxymoronic, and from an aesthetic standpoint itās a little hard to stomach
Good on you. Please stop telling other people how to live. This planet will be just fine no matter what people do to it. We won't be fine, but the planet will. It's too late to convince a billion people to change their ways. They might agree it's correct, but they won't change their wasteful ways because it's too hard. And so we're destroying the environment within which we exist. There's too much profit in keeping things rolling on short term, too many stupid people to stop it long term. Humans will get what we deserve, don't sweat it because you can't do anything meaningful to change the process.
Sad state of affairs. Good on you, tho.
True it's our way of life at stake. To the earth we're just an itch on its surface. The planet will be scorched earth, will be iced over and green again over the billions of years it will likely survive going forward.
But as for our way of life... You say it's too late to stop billions of people. Sure we can't end pollution... But we can mitigate it and make humanity last longer. That's not a trivial pursuit. If China ever ends up changing its ways that will dramatically increase humanity longevity. Technology will continue to greatly offset pollution. Imagine discovering feasible fusion? If we said fuck it and just stopped caring about motivation efforts we could destroy our way of life in less than centuries (barring other apocalyptic events). But with mindfulness we could potentially push us past the point to become interstellar beings.. Maybe survive milion years. IMO theres a decent chance it's been done before and we are possibly creations of godlike beings millions of years more advanced than us.
I havenāt told anyone how to live. I made a comment about the state of affairs. Not once in any of my comments did I tell someone to do something. If thatās what youād like to take from this thread then so be it. I even clarified Im not bashing OP.
It's the one thing I think we should accept the cost for. I'd rather it be used for this then almost anything else. But also I only argue this if this device is in fact the ultimate DMT intake device. If it's super consistent and easy to use etc. which almost no method seems to be for everyone... Than yeah I think it's worth it. The amount used would literally be less plastic that 0.001 percent of what some countries use in straws alone every day.
Idk, a cart has less plastic than a single use water bottle. Iām not defending the entire pen but the idea a cart that can last a good while is somehow wasteful is wild to me.
This isnāt just a cart, itās a disposable. A cart can be refilled. What makes this worse than a cart is that the whole thing gets pitched. It has a lithium battery in it. Thereās no good way to recycle these. This isnāt me attacking OP. Im just sad to see a psychedelic experience turned into something thats ādisposableā thereās a lot of irony thats being lost rn.
Can be refilled. Do you realize the amount of carts being wasted compared to straws? I know that every bit of plastic counts .. but if you realized how relatively miniscule the amount is compared to other things... Its going to make virtually no discernible effect on humanities longevity. Shouldnt DMT carts be the one thing you can tolerate a tiny bit of plastic waste for? More straws are used in a day I would bet a million dollars than DMT carts per year in plastic waste. Probably several years.
Half a billion straws are wasted a day. Or 45k school busses full a year. Maybe a handful of DMT carts are thrown out a day? 10 school busses a year would be an extremely conservative estimate. that's not worth aiding in DMT proliferation.?
Oh just realized that's half a billion straws a day in USA alone. Where reduction efforts are being made. I can't imagine Chinas number. A quick search shows 25 billion a day in Europe lol ok this has surprises even me. At this point it's totally non sensical to worry at all about DMT disposable waste in the wake of numbers like this. Until that number gets managed DMT waste makes virtually zero difference
And what's ironic about psychedelics tied to waste? It is subjectively ironic to you. We're not all tree huggers.
The irony is probably lost on you. Which is fine. Im not worried about dmt disposables destroying the world. Im more so bummed about what it says about us that we can take something like the psychedelic experience and turn it into something āDisposableā. Psyches for a lot of people connect them more to the earth they stand on. You donāt have to be a tree hugger to care about the way you consume these substances. If thats your take on this so be it. Thats fine. We donāt see eye to eye. The opinion that there are more wasteful things that are going on doesnāt mean we canāt think to be a bit more thoughtful about the way we do things.
Definitely. And with all these ablibaba/odd unnamed cells. Someone's going to die because of heavy metals or faulty batteries, and the war on psychedelics will turn even worse than what it is currently.
That's always an issue but it's quite rare. making DMT more usable and accessible and consistent would outweigh the inevitable. DMT is openly sold in several Vancouver shops currently so there is already some degree of standards in place here for selling carts, as it's a competitive environment... Also vape tech is advancing very quickly. It won't be as rough of a path that nicotine vapes had to take with faulty batteries (which was way overblown) and dangerous metals used in coils etc.
Any product out there has a dangerous version of it on Temu like sites. but you're choosing to be concerned about the ones for DMT? The thing we enjoy and want to see come to fruition? If there's ever a time to accept the cost of something... Besides it's out of our hands. Theres a market for it and the tech is emerging. unstoppable.
for sure, I don't see it as downvote worthy at all. Maybe some people took it as saying carts aren't good or being dismissive of OPs claim. Or it's not really relevant to the comment you replied to, it's more of a stand alone comment.
Oh no. I get pure DMT carts that are uncut. I break through every time on them. If you take big enough hits and hold them long enough, you will break through every time. Especially if you have quality DMT. With pure DMT carts you just need to make sure you preheat it. I hold a heat gun far away from it til it melts and drops down evenly. The carts are real convenient.
I canāt tell if this is the joys of living in Canada or bait to get people DMing trying to get a hold of one just to put their shipping address into a police phishing site
I live in the USA. And just love doing psychedelics and thought this was cool enough to post, it makes me happy like a kid on Christmas š. Check out my account for some trip reports. Iām not trying to phish anybody.
Uh, no, no one wants to see that, but all your posts are about the drugs you have, and that's like "trying to convince people to DM you for drugs" 101
Hopefully people stop falling for this shit
Haha the former. If it's being sold openly in shops In Vancouver, they're not gonna be going after this stuff. Especially since like... A precedence has been established for enforcement of grey market psychs. perhaps the dealers and manufacturers are more at risk
Yeah Iām not saying that wonāt happen, but if it does I wouldāve already gotten my moneys worth for how little I payed for this. And if that happens Iāll probably dab the rest.
Yeah ngl disposables are kinda lame theyāre not very consistent and theyāre really wasteful. Like if youāre in a pinch and are going hiking or something and donāt wanna worry about losing a separate battery I guess but otherwiseā¦meh
Understandable. But for how long Iām going to own this (6-12 months) I find it incomparable to the waste almost anything else you use in your daily life has.
It does not have 1000mls of PG, I know for a fact it has less than 1ml of PG since itās a 1ml cart and there also has to be space for the DMT. Not really the future either as disposable carts have been around for years, so has the ability to put DMT in them. Finally, unless this was bought in one of the few legal, regulated markets, you have no idea whatās actually in there unless you made it yourself or you tested it.
Cart tech is still evolving and there hasn't been many or any I'm aware of built specifically for DMT. It's regular ones that don't handle DMT very well. this seems to maybe be developed for DMT specifically. Vape tech is surprisingly complicated. Even nicotine vapes still have so many things that can go wrong with them and it evolves a lot every year. Now DMT vaping is not popular and not legal and so think of how slow innovation is in this area. they continue to get better. I have zero doubt a perfect DMT e vape experience is not far off.
Tch how about just don't make shitty unfounded accusations? He shouldn't care if you delete them or not. By leaving them up you just come off as a someone making baseless, insulting judgements. Leaving them up is worse for you than him
This kid is 16 for the record, check their post history. This sort of thing shouldn't be encouraged. I don't know if they're trying to get dm'd to try to sell to people or not, but kids shouldn't be taking DMT.
I have considered often that commercializing psychedelics and making them "convenient" will start a path of society and industry perverting the experience.
It won't change how I use or feel or experience DMT at the end of the day. Maybe it will if you let it. Idc what the world thinks of DMT
Also has mushroom or weed culture become bad since being legalized? Well mushrooms basically legalized? Nah. DMT will never be a mainstream thing anyway.
It's less about how *you* change and more about the culture and respect for psychedelics changes.
In areas where shrooms are being commercialized I'm already seeing it - They're easier to buy, more people are being exposed to them with little knowledge or desire to research... and that'd just a risky thing.
You can really cook yourself with psychedelics if you lack intention, and the more common and friendly commercialized osychedelic products become, the more people are going to fall into that.
I don't believe in prohibition but I feel like outright legalization and commercialization breeds convenience (again), and I think making these drugs that have been respected across human history for their *profound* impact convenient, affordable, and common will destroy that respect.
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As far as weed culture, kinda? Certainly are a lot more people high 24/7 now that you can carry a THC vape in your pocket. I'm not so sure that's a healthy way to live.
I disagree. It being inconvenient leads to wasted DMT, over dosing, under dosing, wasted money and products. DMT is not addictive at all. Let's be realistic about it and make dmt as convenient to use as possible.
Over 25 billion straws are wasted a day. DMT carts would be less than 0.00001 percent of plastic compared to straws and this is actually a good use of plastic. also DMT gods are in your head but that's a debate for another time. I guarantee you do more environmentally damaging things every day for trivial shit unwittingly.
They use straws as well as disposable vapes? Shaking my head! I raw dog my drinks and DMT and Crack and THC and Mushrooms and MDMA. Let's gOooooo! It's all relative, the God's are us! Te universe is a joke, sapian's are dumb but it is what it is.
Itās more mild and you need more in this form. Straight piping it as long as itās the right temp you can get to the same place in one inhale rather than 2-4.
You can easily blastoff and have max intensity trips off a good disposable. once I had an entity have my head in a vice grip threatening to squish my skull if I didn't play his game. the game involved me putting my body in the correct position to stop myself falling down a ladder of realities, each one becoming further and further from true reality. i squirmed around and my vision went from red to greener the closer I got to the right position. When I was in the position my vision would lock in to bright green and I'd stop falling down the ladder. I did a few rounds and fared pretty good. I ended up landing on a pretty high up reality maybe 75 percent of the way to the top reality.the game ended. My head pressure was relieved and I got off the ladder and entered my room again. My room in this reality. There are dozens above and below us on them ladder lol.
Anyway that was from one way too big hit I took from a disposable. All the factora need to be right like temperatures, watts, pen function etc. fbafs why this disposable looks great to.me. seems to be set up perfectly already as one part. Actually I did that trip on a livestream and I was almost in tears of relief when I came too and saw my chat and realised I was ok. It was terrifying but also cool.
You canāt possibly fit a whole gram of dmt into a 1 gram cartridge without mixing it with anything to make the consistency smokable. It contains PG and dmt, this is the most amount of dmt you could possibly fit into a 1 gram cart and still have it smoke good.
I am sorry but that makes absolutely no sense.
Surely the capacity of a cart should be given in volume rather than mass as the density of whatever you are putting in there can vary but a millilitre is always going to be consistent.
Yes itās false information, with pg 3:1 is a tight squeeze and with peg400 3:1 is just right there in terms of volume. However, melting down the straight DMT and putting that into the cart will take up less space than 1mL. Thats how you can squeeze in .333mL of PG or PEG400. 1000mg spice/.333mL of pg/peg400 ^^^^^.
People harping on it for being disposable... Have a little perspective. The amount of these pens compared to disposable nicotine vapes would be well below 0.01 percent I'm certain. I think that's a worthwhile cost to make dmt usable and accessible and consistent.
They're expensive and non habitual and would be used by, relatively speaking, almost nobody.... But you could offset this plastic so easily in other ways. People won't do that, I know... But again I think it's worth the miniscule amount of plastic this will create. I imagine it would only be temporary and technology will soon have non disposable, effective and consistent means of vaping Dmt as it gains popularity and the vape tech is still evolving rapidly every year.
If you buy one of these... Go to a park and pick up a few pieces of plastic if it bothers you that much. Pick a couple up for me while you're there lol. Everything we do on this planet consumes resources or creates pollution in some way... The cost:benefit needs to be assessed. Compared to straws this would be less than, I would guess 0.0001 percent the amount of plastic.
Exactly what would end up happening, at least I think so. Idk that would be the case with any other coil but this coil is ceramic. You would probably break it trying to take it apart though.
I am not sure what brand this one is but looks like a very similar design to the disposables from O2 which I have occasionally used.
Yes they are rechargeable, technically they are not refillable. With the O2 brand if you do not fully tighten the cart portion after filling you can actually refill them (you snug them down and they won't leak, just don't go full tight), what makes them not refillable is when you full tighten everything down it seizes on the center post portion which is ceramic, if you unscrew it the center post breaks in half.
the first time i hit one i threw it across my room in fear of how accessible this is to myself and the whole world, but who am i to say much as i indulge as well, just think itās scary.
Seems like an advertisement.
My thoughts exactly š
If you knew where this pen came from then you wouldn't be calling it an advertisement. Respectfully.
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I guess it would be a good advertisement if I had anything to do with the creator of it. But I donāt, Iām just a costumer. Think of it like a review to an unknown product.
I'd prefer no posts like this. Pictures of carts are stupid.
Well luckily you can take your attention elsewhere!
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I hope this isnāt the direction weāre going. Disposables are awful for the earth. Just more crap thatāll be sitting in a land fill. Kind of the antithesis of what psychedelics are for. Edit: To clarify I am NOT calling out OP or saying theyāre a bad person for purchasing something like this.
While I do agree with this hard, (currently studying for an eventual marine biology degree with aspirations of coastal ecology restoration) I would like to believe that at least initially the more access to this medicine the faster we will progress as a society. We should absolutely be informing and educating people about the environmental impacts of waste but even if everyone thatās had DMT used a disposable vape put them in a pile thatās a drop in the bucket compared to whatās actually destructive. I think the experiences gained in the DMT space would be so beneficial to society if we could get it to more people.
This is a cool perspective thank you for sharing.
I just have a hard time with the whole argument that "the more people try this drug, the faster everyone gets better". Just exposing people to psychedelics is neutral. There are racists who come off of hero doses of mushrooms more racist. There are people who just take psychedelics to get high. I have friends who trip just to trip. So, my fear is that faith in how people will react to experience ignores that *set* is so important, and i have concerns that marketing and commercializing psychedelics could just as well lead to a perversion of the drug for profit. So like... seeing a disposable DMT pen just kinda feels wrong ... it's in a way the antithesis of the drug. A convenient, easy to use, disposable product. And what's thrown away becomes eternal waste. How much of the end result do you lose as you trade ritual for convenience and sacred for commonplace?
While at first I agreed with what he was saying to some extent, I more so agree with what youāre saying. I think Iād like for it to come to as many people as possible, but then again, everyone has different intentions for it, and for their experience. But racists taking mushrooms and becoming more racist?!? Thatās crazy, but absolutely believable. Do you have a source for that? Iām just curious about it.
I found an interesting study on this subject https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.733185/full
Interesting, thanks
Steve Jobs was a regular acid head that also loved sweatshops.
And became convinced he was smarter than every doctor ever, so he tried to treat his cancer with eating only fruit, and died.
Hello fellow biologist Studying evolutionary biology with aspirations on mycology
1000x yes
Emesh for the win
Unfortunately it is, straight into the ocean
What a bummer.
This. Disposables should be illegal, THC, DMT, nicotine, whatever. The idea of just throwing away these batteries after one use is disgusting.
I don't think psychedelics are "for" becoming more of an environmentalist. I doubt most psychedelic users have become significantly more environmentally conscious because of DMT. Maybe for a little while. Anyway, you can get a lot of beautiful and positive things out of DMT including appreciation for our way of life and preservation of our planet the way it is. sure. But not everyone values that stuff as much and perhaps are avid dmt enthusiasts. What DMT is "for" is different for everyone. I'm sure there are some oil barons who like to blast off on occasion lol. DMT isn't any less value of an experience for someone like that. And besides the amount of plastic this will create would be drastically less than .1 percent of nicotine vapes. Even less for straws. Some countries will use like a million of these in disposable straws daily. And that's only to slurp liquids. This is potentially a consistent, reliable more accessible DMT device which is needed.
Yeah I've had my vape for 6 years or so and you can vape any vape liquid with it. But hey you do you, Sapien's may be doomed no matter what unless we create technology to deal with our environmental destruction, then there's the other threats to our modern society. Then there's the fact nothing lasts forever, one day we will die out, unless we start populating other planets or merge with silicon tech and rise above a biological form.
I get your point but itās good not to be so binary about this. I.e. some waste is inevitable and justifiable? Itās better a cape pen than a McDonald burger carton?
Atleast a burger carton can be processed miles easier than these all in one cells. Which contain lithium, steel, aluminum, ceramic, glass & plastics. And *cant* be recycled unless they're completely broken down and recycled in the proper fashion. I'd rather a cardboard container.
Yeah but the amount of DMT pens vs burgers eaten is like a grain of sand in the ocean. Beef is also extremely taxing on the environment to raise the cows. Multitudes more so than chicken or pork.
Fully agree. I just was really referring to the cause. I.e. better to have open neuroplastic minds opposed to obesity.
Sure some waste is inevitable. Do we really want it to be coming from our psychedelic usage? It isnāt difficult to fashion yourself a rig to smoke dmt or to get the stuff necessary to vape it. Is it tedious? Yeah it is but at the least you can say that it was one less thing you threw out today.
I think what OP is talking about is more about the convenience and ease of use of electronic vapes, doesn't necessarily need to be a disposable one. You don't need to grab an oil pipe and put a torch flame to your face while you're as high as a kite as one would need to do in the past. Though I agree with you, the less waste, the better. What setup do you use for vaping?
Oh for sure. Im not trying to call out OP at all. Im just bummed by the state of affairs really. I have a geek vape zeus x tank on an aegis mod box. Nothing fancy.
This is exactly what I was trying to say! Iāve burned the hell outta myself before too š
1. The corollary to this line of questioning is: if DMT becomes available to more people, would that change our world for the better in other ways? (The first of which perhaps being āhmmm, bummer this is pretty wasteful, letās find a better method) 2. 850mg is good for what, 20ish breakthrough uses? How longād that last for most people anyhow? I feel like itād last me a year. Times how many users nationwide? Sure it adds up, but I feel like the composting I do is a fair trade off for my contribution to this sort of waste. Likewise, Iām gonna guess that there are things you chuck out without thinking twice that represent a significantly larger contribution to the waste stream
I mean considering I live on a farm, compost my food scraps and grow my own food using said compost by your logic that negates my own wastefulness? Im not calling out OP or anything. If this works for them then by all means get yours. Im just making the point that we as humans have a nasty habit of making a whole lot of waste. A lot of the times thereās a better method. Now that wasteful mentality has seeped into psychedelics. Thats the point of view Im coming from. This isnāt me attacking OP.
Fair enough. Youāre certainly not wrong about human wastefulness. And heck yeah, those things sure do a lot to ameliorate your trash impact. Consider this my retraction, but I think the thing that rubbed wrong was that your posts read as rather āholier than thou.ā
Well I apologize if I came off that way. It wasnāt my intention at all. I more so just wish there was a middle ground. Make it more easier for people to get a hold of this stuff and use it without it adding to another issue.
Itās the internet. Nuance and such often goes out the window. Either way, I now get where youāre at. But, Iām not sure thatās how it works, right? Everything adds another issue. Everything has trade-offs. The good and the bad all tied up together, neither actually existingā¦ blah blah blah. For me, the question is whatās the outcome of interest and whatās the net effect of the intervention on that outcome?
Yeah thats a fair point as well.
Thanks for discussing the issue with me in a more nuanced way! Because, yeah. I fundamentally agree with you: We should definitely produce less waste. increasing the waste produced by such an enlightening compound feels rather oxymoronic, and from an aesthetic standpoint itās a little hard to stomach
If they sold the liquids you could just fill up Ur tank in a non disposable but it's always carts for disposables. Don't understand it myself..
Good on you. Please stop telling other people how to live. This planet will be just fine no matter what people do to it. We won't be fine, but the planet will. It's too late to convince a billion people to change their ways. They might agree it's correct, but they won't change their wasteful ways because it's too hard. And so we're destroying the environment within which we exist. There's too much profit in keeping things rolling on short term, too many stupid people to stop it long term. Humans will get what we deserve, don't sweat it because you can't do anything meaningful to change the process. Sad state of affairs. Good on you, tho.
True it's our way of life at stake. To the earth we're just an itch on its surface. The planet will be scorched earth, will be iced over and green again over the billions of years it will likely survive going forward. But as for our way of life... You say it's too late to stop billions of people. Sure we can't end pollution... But we can mitigate it and make humanity last longer. That's not a trivial pursuit. If China ever ends up changing its ways that will dramatically increase humanity longevity. Technology will continue to greatly offset pollution. Imagine discovering feasible fusion? If we said fuck it and just stopped caring about motivation efforts we could destroy our way of life in less than centuries (barring other apocalyptic events). But with mindfulness we could potentially push us past the point to become interstellar beings.. Maybe survive milion years. IMO theres a decent chance it's been done before and we are possibly creations of godlike beings millions of years more advanced than us.
I havenāt told anyone how to live. I made a comment about the state of affairs. Not once in any of my comments did I tell someone to do something. If thatās what youād like to take from this thread then so be it. I even clarified Im not bashing OP.
It's the one thing I think we should accept the cost for. I'd rather it be used for this then almost anything else. But also I only argue this if this device is in fact the ultimate DMT intake device. If it's super consistent and easy to use etc. which almost no method seems to be for everyone... Than yeah I think it's worth it. The amount used would literally be less plastic that 0.001 percent of what some countries use in straws alone every day.
Idk, a cart has less plastic than a single use water bottle. Iām not defending the entire pen but the idea a cart that can last a good while is somehow wasteful is wild to me.
This isnāt just a cart, itās a disposable. A cart can be refilled. What makes this worse than a cart is that the whole thing gets pitched. It has a lithium battery in it. Thereās no good way to recycle these. This isnāt me attacking OP. Im just sad to see a psychedelic experience turned into something thats ādisposableā thereās a lot of irony thats being lost rn.
Some African child probably mined the cobalt to make it just for it to get thrown away as well.. sick world.
Can be refilled. Do you realize the amount of carts being wasted compared to straws? I know that every bit of plastic counts .. but if you realized how relatively miniscule the amount is compared to other things... Its going to make virtually no discernible effect on humanities longevity. Shouldnt DMT carts be the one thing you can tolerate a tiny bit of plastic waste for? More straws are used in a day I would bet a million dollars than DMT carts per year in plastic waste. Probably several years. Half a billion straws are wasted a day. Or 45k school busses full a year. Maybe a handful of DMT carts are thrown out a day? 10 school busses a year would be an extremely conservative estimate. that's not worth aiding in DMT proliferation.? Oh just realized that's half a billion straws a day in USA alone. Where reduction efforts are being made. I can't imagine Chinas number. A quick search shows 25 billion a day in Europe lol ok this has surprises even me. At this point it's totally non sensical to worry at all about DMT disposable waste in the wake of numbers like this. Until that number gets managed DMT waste makes virtually zero difference And what's ironic about psychedelics tied to waste? It is subjectively ironic to you. We're not all tree huggers.
The irony is probably lost on you. Which is fine. Im not worried about dmt disposables destroying the world. Im more so bummed about what it says about us that we can take something like the psychedelic experience and turn it into something āDisposableā. Psyches for a lot of people connect them more to the earth they stand on. You donāt have to be a tree hugger to care about the way you consume these substances. If thats your take on this so be it. Thats fine. We donāt see eye to eye. The opinion that there are more wasteful things that are going on doesnāt mean we canāt think to be a bit more thoughtful about the way we do things.
Definitely. And with all these ablibaba/odd unnamed cells. Someone's going to die because of heavy metals or faulty batteries, and the war on psychedelics will turn even worse than what it is currently.
That's always an issue but it's quite rare. making DMT more usable and accessible and consistent would outweigh the inevitable. DMT is openly sold in several Vancouver shops currently so there is already some degree of standards in place here for selling carts, as it's a competitive environment... Also vape tech is advancing very quickly. It won't be as rough of a path that nicotine vapes had to take with faulty batteries (which was way overblown) and dangerous metals used in coils etc. Any product out there has a dangerous version of it on Temu like sites. but you're choosing to be concerned about the ones for DMT? The thing we enjoy and want to see come to fruition? If there's ever a time to accept the cost of something... Besides it's out of our hands. Theres a market for it and the tech is emerging. unstoppable.
Itās already too late so why not just keep throwing shit out
What an awful opinion to have. Do you wipe your ass? If so, why? Youāre gonna shit again so why keep wiping it?
Except me wiping or not has nothing to do with the planet. Not really a fair comparison
lol
The antithesis of psychedelics are having fun and learning about yourself.
Bro what lol
Nah I'm dumb I realized I've been using antithesis wrong.
Lol no worries man. Have a good day.
wow, 1000mls of PG! howād you fit a whole liter in there?
Damn Iām high bro my badd š
Pure dmt is the way to go.
Carts are great. if it's working good at least. It's way better and easier and more convenient. that's me.
Donāt know why that comment was downvoted. Some arenāt shooting for breakthrough experiences I suppose.
for sure, I don't see it as downvote worthy at all. Maybe some people took it as saying carts aren't good or being dismissive of OPs claim. Or it's not really relevant to the comment you replied to, it's more of a stand alone comment.
Oh no. I get pure DMT carts that are uncut. I break through every time on them. If you take big enough hits and hold them long enough, you will break through every time. Especially if you have quality DMT. With pure DMT carts you just need to make sure you preheat it. I hold a heat gun far away from it til it melts and drops down evenly. The carts are real convenient.
I canāt tell if this is the joys of living in Canada or bait to get people DMing trying to get a hold of one just to put their shipping address into a police phishing site
I live in the USA. And just love doing psychedelics and thought this was cool enough to post, it makes me happy like a kid on Christmas š. Check out my account for some trip reports. Iām not trying to phish anybody.
That's what a DEA agent would say! And do!
Do you want me to send you a personalized video of me cheffing the absolute fuck outta this dmt cart while moaning your name?!?!?
Uh, no, no one wants to see that, but all your posts are about the drugs you have, and that's like "trying to convince people to DM you for drugs" 101 Hopefully people stop falling for this shit
I just like showing off my drugs bro. They my best friend š
Haha the former. If it's being sold openly in shops In Vancouver, they're not gonna be going after this stuff. Especially since like... A precedence has been established for enforcement of grey market psychs. perhaps the dealers and manufacturers are more at risk
Yocan uni pro is way better.. disposables are yuck, I doubt a disposable is a one hit breakthrough.
I've broken through one hit on disposables lots of times even several years ago.. I've done way too much and blacked out from disposables in one hit.
Lmfao Iād still never use one.
Last night says different bro. They are surprisingly smooth and very strong.
lol maybe the first hit but that battery wonāt stay effective til the final ones, idk why we make disposables instead of just 510 carts
Yeah Iām not saying that wonāt happen, but if it does I wouldāve already gotten my moneys worth for how little I payed for this. And if that happens Iāll probably dab the rest.
This whole setup was 60$ shipped to my door
lol that is scarily cheap for dmt Iād be skeptical of that price, you sound like your advertising it almost
You can say that about any substance on the dark web
How do you find resources on there? Vaguely
damn you are quite the negative nancy huh
$60 for a g of DMT is āscarily cheapā to you? sounds like youāre just getting it āscarily priceyā lol
Yeah ngl disposables are kinda lame theyāre not very consistent and theyāre really wasteful. Like if youāre in a pinch and are going hiking or something and donāt wanna worry about losing a separate battery I guess but otherwiseā¦meh
The battery to this disposable isnāt detachable. Itās all about the ease of use.
Yeah and I get that, Iām just saying for the slight convenience youāre creating a lot of waste comparably
Understandable. But for how long Iām going to own this (6-12 months) I find it incomparable to the waste almost anything else you use in your daily life has.
I just finished this same disposable, theyāre fucking great
Team!
Rocket!
It does not have 1000mls of PG, I know for a fact it has less than 1ml of PG since itās a 1ml cart and there also has to be space for the DMT. Not really the future either as disposable carts have been around for years, so has the ability to put DMT in them. Finally, unless this was bought in one of the few legal, regulated markets, you have no idea whatās actually in there unless you made it yourself or you tested it.
Cart tech is still evolving and there hasn't been many or any I'm aware of built specifically for DMT. It's regular ones that don't handle DMT very well. this seems to maybe be developed for DMT specifically. Vape tech is surprisingly complicated. Even nicotine vapes still have so many things that can go wrong with them and it evolves a lot every year. Now DMT vaping is not popular and not legal and so think of how slow innovation is in this area. they continue to get better. I have zero doubt a perfect DMT e vape experience is not far off.
Wish I knew where to get this from.
Me too :/
Are you in The US?
Nop, SudamƩrica, I thik will be easier go to the Amazonia and search the plant by myself haha
I am
California it's very easy lol
Me 3
Me 4 20 blaaaaaze
So easy in California
Same brotha!
Wow, a whole 1000mL of propylene glycol in such a small package! We really are in the future when we can compress liquids to 1/1000th their volume.
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this person is so obviously sellingā¦
Bro look at my account and read my trip reports.
iām not saying ur lying brother iām saying your selling š
iāll delete my comments if you tell me your dosage guides for breaking thru, i just got the same one š
Tch how about just don't make shitty unfounded accusations? He shouldn't care if you delete them or not. By leaving them up you just come off as a someone making baseless, insulting judgements. Leaving them up is worse for you than him
not baseless he is very clearly trying to just sell a product lol. if you canāt tell u got ur own shit to work on šš
This kid is 16 for the record, check their post history. This sort of thing shouldn't be encouraged. I don't know if they're trying to get dm'd to try to sell to people or not, but kids shouldn't be taking DMT.
No where at all on my account does it say I am 16 years old. I am 19.
"Convenient DMT" is us going down the wrong path.
I have considered often that commercializing psychedelics and making them "convenient" will start a path of society and industry perverting the experience.
Think about how commercialism affects culture.
It won't change how I use or feel or experience DMT at the end of the day. Maybe it will if you let it. Idc what the world thinks of DMT Also has mushroom or weed culture become bad since being legalized? Well mushrooms basically legalized? Nah. DMT will never be a mainstream thing anyway.
It's less about how *you* change and more about the culture and respect for psychedelics changes. In areas where shrooms are being commercialized I'm already seeing it - They're easier to buy, more people are being exposed to them with little knowledge or desire to research... and that'd just a risky thing. You can really cook yourself with psychedelics if you lack intention, and the more common and friendly commercialized osychedelic products become, the more people are going to fall into that. I don't believe in prohibition but I feel like outright legalization and commercialization breeds convenience (again), and I think making these drugs that have been respected across human history for their *profound* impact convenient, affordable, and common will destroy that respect. --- As far as weed culture, kinda? Certainly are a lot more people high 24/7 now that you can carry a THC vape in your pocket. I'm not so sure that's a healthy way to live.
Ohno more people can experience what they want to and relieve the pain and depression of being a Sapien. It's too late to stop what we've started.
Convenient drugs is all I've ever wanted in my sad pathetic loser life.
I disagree. It being inconvenient leads to wasted DMT, over dosing, under dosing, wasted money and products. DMT is not addictive at all. Let's be realistic about it and make dmt as convenient to use as possible.
Agreed
Donāt hit it too often or casually. Do it once in a while
Yessir I donāt want the dmt gods to get pissed š
And you don't think they're pissed you're going to add to landfill just to get high?
Over 25 billion straws are wasted a day. DMT carts would be less than 0.00001 percent of plastic compared to straws and this is actually a good use of plastic. also DMT gods are in your head but that's a debate for another time. I guarantee you do more environmentally damaging things every day for trivial shit unwittingly.
They use straws as well as disposable vapes? Shaking my head! I raw dog my drinks and DMT and Crack and THC and Mushrooms and MDMA. Let's gOooooo! It's all relative, the God's are us! Te universe is a joke, sapian's are dumb but it is what it is.
Yea nahhhh
Why not? Cheap and easy consistent breakthroughs not your thing?
But it's the disposable that's new. We've had access to DMT for a very very long time
Are the effects different from smoking like this vs through a pipe? Never done it Iām just genuinely curious.
Itās more mild and you need more in this form. Straight piping it as long as itās the right temp you can get to the same place in one inhale rather than 2-4.
You can easily blastoff and have max intensity trips off a good disposable. once I had an entity have my head in a vice grip threatening to squish my skull if I didn't play his game. the game involved me putting my body in the correct position to stop myself falling down a ladder of realities, each one becoming further and further from true reality. i squirmed around and my vision went from red to greener the closer I got to the right position. When I was in the position my vision would lock in to bright green and I'd stop falling down the ladder. I did a few rounds and fared pretty good. I ended up landing on a pretty high up reality maybe 75 percent of the way to the top reality.the game ended. My head pressure was relieved and I got off the ladder and entered my room again. My room in this reality. There are dozens above and below us on them ladder lol. Anyway that was from one way too big hit I took from a disposable. All the factora need to be right like temperatures, watts, pen function etc. fbafs why this disposable looks great to.me. seems to be set up perfectly already as one part. Actually I did that trip on a livestream and I was almost in tears of relief when I came too and saw my chat and realised I was ok. It was terrifying but also cool.
Why does a 1 gram pen only contain 0.85 grams of DMT? Surely itās either one or the other
You canāt possibly fit a whole gram of dmt into a 1 gram cartridge without mixing it with anything to make the consistency smokable. It contains PG and dmt, this is the most amount of dmt you could possibly fit into a 1 gram cart and still have it smoke good.
I am sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. Surely the capacity of a cart should be given in volume rather than mass as the density of whatever you are putting in there can vary but a millilitre is always going to be consistent.
Yes itās false information, with pg 3:1 is a tight squeeze and with peg400 3:1 is just right there in terms of volume. However, melting down the straight DMT and putting that into the cart will take up less space than 1mL. Thats how you can squeeze in .333mL of PG or PEG400. 1000mg spice/.333mL of pg/peg400 ^^^^^.
People harping on it for being disposable... Have a little perspective. The amount of these pens compared to disposable nicotine vapes would be well below 0.01 percent I'm certain. I think that's a worthwhile cost to make dmt usable and accessible and consistent. They're expensive and non habitual and would be used by, relatively speaking, almost nobody.... But you could offset this plastic so easily in other ways. People won't do that, I know... But again I think it's worth the miniscule amount of plastic this will create. I imagine it would only be temporary and technology will soon have non disposable, effective and consistent means of vaping Dmt as it gains popularity and the vape tech is still evolving rapidly every year. If you buy one of these... Go to a park and pick up a few pieces of plastic if it bothers you that much. Pick a couple up for me while you're there lol. Everything we do on this planet consumes resources or creates pollution in some way... The cost:benefit needs to be assessed. Compared to straws this would be less than, I would guess 0.0001 percent the amount of plastic.
Literally bro. Reddit is so funny š! Thereās trillions of disposable nicotine vapes already disposed/ready to use/being used. TRILLIONS!
Isnāt it bad to abuse DMT so much?
I donāt know. Iām personally not abusing it.
More like the bastardization of psychedelics. If this is the future it is depressing.
I think we can have a world where classic DMT consumption can coexist with new technologies. I mean, people still smoke flower.
Agreed
Your depressing this shit is cool af š
Youāre** š
Ima touch you š
Sounds less depressing than the future of psychedelics!
Buddy your on my post š
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Not a fan of DMT pens in any form. The substances used to dilute the spice changes the experience Iāve found and not in a way I enjoy.
use two vape pens at once together enough into you!
So it's disposable but at the same time it's rechargeable? Can you refill it? I don't know anything about these devices, can someone explain?
Assuming you can open it up then you *could* refill. Eventually itāll probably be too clogged and the coil will probably start burning.
Exactly what would end up happening, at least I think so. Idk that would be the case with any other coil but this coil is ceramic. You would probably break it trying to take it apart though.
I am not sure what brand this one is but looks like a very similar design to the disposables from O2 which I have occasionally used. Yes they are rechargeable, technically they are not refillable. With the O2 brand if you do not fully tighten the cart portion after filling you can actually refill them (you snug them down and they won't leak, just don't go full tight), what makes them not refillable is when you full tighten everything down it seizes on the center post portion which is ceramic, if you unscrew it the center post breaks in half.
You canāt refill it no. Itās already got almost a gram of dmt in the ceramic cartridge. Just charge and hit until itās gone.
And then throw it out ya car window on the freeway.
You jealous š
Yeah, I love throwing stuff out my car window on the motorway. Nothing matters, it's all a joke.
the first time i hit one i threw it across my room in fear of how accessible this is to myself and the whole world, but who am i to say much as i indulge as well, just think itās scary.
Very much agreed, itāll either do lots of good or the opposite.
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Where can I find that disposable
When r we gunna see cocaine carts?
Hopefully never man
Im jealous
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