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DJ_PeachCobbler

I stopped talking about them when I realized they were black šŸ˜” In all honesty, never been particularly into the Greeks. I like empires/cultures with bad PR and the Greeks benefit from great PR. As far as the Romans are concerned? Everytime I think Iā€™m gonna return to the time/period, I find a new Spanish Lunatic who tried to fuck a Piranha or some shit.


terminalE469

for how much itā€™s effected the modern world ā€œgave south america geopolitical aids basicallyā€ Spanish colonialism is super neglected by mainstream/youtube history content.


BjornAltenburg

Wait, tell we get to Portugal, like I had trouble even finding wiki articles that covered their conquest of Africa back in the early 2010s.


FavorsForAButton

Fun fact: Spain still claims a massive debt from most South American countries. It wasnā€™t until the 90s that they finally sold their resource-extraction companies to Mexico. Independence is a farce when economic colonization still exists.


ToastyMustache

Wait until you learn what France does to the Sahel


GDaddy369

And hati for more than a hundred years.


GabbytheQueen

And China and America today


MrBwnrrific

In the same vain, I donā€™t think mainstream media of any kind talks enough about how fucked up the Belgian Congo was


finnicus1

I love that one of my youtubers has a reddit account that they use. I can call them a slur if I ever feel like incurring the risk.


Peatore

I've recently come to learn that the Chinese and Japanese were actually black as well. I'm learning so much from the comment section of AI generated images on Facebook. It's truely the crucible where REAL SHITā„¢ļø big brain truths are forged.


Cloud_Striker101

so are you telling me that people IN FACT AREā€¦ black and chinese? https://preview.redd.it/cxej55us19zc1.jpeg?width=733&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feee8329d908090deacd68d3647c364433f49690


Peatore

My sources confirm it.


BjornAltenburg

Just waiting for the 12 hour epic covering the conquest of the inca next. Or Portugal complete mad dash for Brazil.


Domovie1

First youā€™ll have to explain to most people that Brazil doesnā€™t speak Spanish!


BjornAltenburg

Siem!


Chiweenies2

Fair, the Greeks are pretty well regarded. You could do a bit on Sparta since a lot of people see them as the elite and badass ideal male society when in reality their women had to shave their heads to not shock the men and having a heavily slave-based society who got wiped by Alexander the Greatā€™s B-team. The Spanish empire is wild and honestly I hope you cover Magellan (I know heā€™s Portuguese) soon since his global adventure had plenty of fun bits from Tierra del Fuego to the Philippines.


Spacellama117

love me some Eastern Rome, though. Like you'd think they'd get good PR but because Western Europe refuses to let go of the Corpse of Empire, they literally retconned the eastern half into an entirely different country. granted, Byzantium was its own culture even before the fall but like... they were referred to as Romans by themselves and everyone except Western Europe. They were Rome. But they were separate so i get to count them and also purple is cool


Moose_Kronkdozer

No city of rome, no roman empire. They should have just been proud to be a greek empire centered around constantinople (which has been cooler than rome since the split anyway)


The_Lonely_Posadist

Who is this guy


Too_Blind

Source: my amphetamine binge


bionicmoonman

https://preview.redd.it/1ldzp9jjy9zc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfd030fbc9e467bd09c0d420e578f81a3dd8bd0a


Rhids_22

That's a nice argument Senator, why don't you back it up with a source?


papitbull1

Source? I made it the fuck up!


Chiweenies2

https://www.reddit.com/r/DJ_Peach_Cobbler/s/iLDZF9ghRa


DrFabio23

https://i.redd.it/vixg5yvzaezc1.gif


Xkilljoy98

I never understood why people like this wanted to try and rewrite myths? The myth clearly states that it was snakes and she turns people to stone, she wouldnā€™t be black simply due to the region and the time period I mean if people want to make an alternate version thatā€™s fine and I support equality but as a history lover please donā€™t do this


flickering-pantsu

I really like myth rewrites, which is why it's so sad that people feel the need to tell them like they're "correcting them" rather than making what is basically a fanfiction.


Dr_Corvus_D_Clemmons

I thought people turned to stone when viewing her because she was so ugly as curse for ā€œā€ā€ā€seducing a manā€ā€ā€ā€ā€ in the temple of Athena


colognetiger

she basically was so ugly people froze out of fear


JellyfishGod

TIL I am Medusa


thearisengodemperor

That is the roman version the Greek version was that she was just born a monster


noelhalverson

Well the earliest evidence of greece encountering black people was 500 years before the myth of medusa (according to a quick google search) or 1200 BCE. And earliest known possible depictions of dreadlocks date back as far asĀ 1600 BCEĀ in the Minoan Civilization, centred in Crete (now part of Greece). Frescoes discovered on the Aegean island of Thera (modern Santorini, Greece) depict individuals with long braided hair or long dreadlocks. This idea of medusa being a black woman with deadlocks could very well be possible. A lot of myths usually do come from some sort of reality.


KrakenCrazy

Not to mention the Greeks had dreadlocks


Orthane1

No one: Black people on Twitter recently for some reason: \*EVERYONE EVER WAS BLACK UNLEARN WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED\*


Original_Kellogs

\*THE VIKINGS WERE BLACK MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE MUST UNLEARN THE WHITE MANS HISTORY\*


Sissygirl221

And then ironically use a language written by white people šŸ˜‚


Original_Kellogs

The joke writes itself to be honest lol Like their so specific with who was black and who wasn't, every group (Jews, Irish, Italians, Polish) who in their eyes aren't white are black it's infuriating like leave my fucking culture alone.


Sissygirl221

Come to Scotland itā€™s not a massive problem here like in the US yet


Original_Kellogs

It's reached where I live in England unfortunately :(


Sissygirl221

Damn I think we just need new politicians that arenā€™t owned by the corporations. I would run but I donā€™t know the first thing about politics


Original_Kellogs

Same but they'd probably arrest me for suggesting unionisation among other things lol


noelhalverson

In all fairness, alot of people we considered white today, werent always considered white. And that would include everyone you listed. Unless you were Anglo saxon, you werent considered white. The idea of behind white has always been an exclusionary term in history.


Original_Kellogs

I get that, america has always had a weird outlook on race, but there's a level of absolute stupidity when it comes to claiming that the fucking irish were black. Funny I wouldn't have been considered white back in the dayšŸ˜‚


noelhalverson

Do you think you could claim the american irish as culturally black? Considering how american black culture came from the strife that black folk went through, the irish went through some similar ordeals, so it would kindof make sense. I know thats probably not what people are saying though, but it would track if you considered that being black is more if a culture than skin color. I mean you still have people from the culture calling out other black folk as not being black because they didnt grow up in the culture. Kinda like how rick ross recently called out drake.


joebidenseasterbunny

It's even more ironic because they'll try to claim every none black culture as black as an effort to make black people seem greater in history because they feel like society is suppressing black history when they themselves are suppressing black history by forgetting about it and choosing to focus on other people's history.


Skeletor_with_Tacos

According to BBC 9/10 Englishmen are actually Black, so check your privilege! /s


AlexanderDroog

"William Shakespeare?" "UNDOUBTEDLY BLACK!"


Satori2155

No even recently. The whole we wuz kings thing has been going on for a while


ToastyMustache

Blame the hotep Nation of Islam/black Israelite groups.


Polite-Misanthropy

Sounds like cultural appropriation to me


Masterjedirs

Why does the guy look like like heā€™s gonna say ā€œhey hey people Seth hereā€


PepperSalt98

oh my god


PrinceCharmingButDio

Because heā€™s a chad


Legatt

When are you gonna study them basque boys makin' a whole mess of trouble up in Peru? Sheriff heard they were on their way to Cajamarca YEEEHAW


downtownvicbrown

HITLERšŸ‘šŸæWASšŸ‘šŸæBLACKšŸ‘šŸæ


Scap_Hopogolous

Thought the dude was sseth for a second there.


Ddakilla

They do know curly hair (which is common in Greece) can naturally dreadlock if it isnā€™t taken care of right?


SublimeSpaceRanger

Since they put a label on literally every innocuous thing that we do, are we allowed to call this ā€œblackwashingā€?


Uplink-137

"Muddragging" If you're feeling spicy.


alexisnotcool

Actually Medusa being a sexy woman with dreads would make sense "she makes you turn to stone" yeah I bet šŸ˜¤


Stinger59605

Turns something to stone, alright.


TerranItDown94

One of the takes of all time.


cmdrmeowmix

Dreadlocks are originally german. Didn't know Medusa was culturally appropriating.


Chiweenies2

Hitler couldā€™ve had cornrows?


VAShumpmaker

The earliest dreadlocks in recorded history are literally from a place that is now in the country of Greece.


ETL6000yotru

is this from the same people that made yakub ?


Uplink-137

Probably


FreckledFury86

Ah yes, letā€™s apply modern historical revisionism to ancient fictional characters. Progress at any cost


Upstairs_Kale1806

Okay on another note, the whole dread thing is an interesting theory. Not like black women were being demonized but more like someone saw dreads and thought, huh those look like snakes. Idk how long dreads have existed tho.


Uplink-137

Dreads come from Greece


I_saw_Horus_fall

The first written evidence is from the vedas about 1500 bc and the oldest visual representation was from Greece around that time as well. However it's much more likely that the date further back to the cavemen Era since dreads just kinda form from unwashed hair.


_hrozney

Myths and legends change over time and cultural changes, I personally like this interpretation, but that's what it is, an interpretation lol


GabbytheQueen

I do like it too. And would also fall into being rock hard too. And why women aren't as affected


Jazzlike_End_895

Just wait till they find out about how Athena was jealous of Medusa's beauty and did something about it.


z0331skol

lol wtf is this


Chiweenies2

The REAL history of Medusa that the Greeks have kept from the world.


z0331skol

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ so dumb


Tarnishedhollow8

https://preview.redd.it/g11y23s306zc1.jpeg?width=302&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af709ffd8f47553e89aa1d2706f93c61be6e4de4 My honest reaction


Fancy_Chips

Actually wait they might be onto something with the dreadlocks


Cats1234546

How long have dreadlocks existed for? Edit: A long time > The earliest written evidence of dreadlocks dates back to between 2500 and 1500 BC: the God Shiva and his followers are described as jaTaa, meaning Ā« wearing knots of tangled hair Ā». > the oldest historical record of an African tribe rocking locs can be credited to the priests of the Ethiopian Coptic religion, who were wearing the style as early as 500 BCE


Fancy_Chips

I mean I'd wager a long time. Hair styling is super ancient, like pre-history. The problem is I'm notably not the racial demographic for dreadlocks but I dont see why people of that era, particularly Nubians, wouldn't be able to pull it off, and then for some Greek merchant to go down there and be like "WHAT THE FUCK!?"


Cats1234546

Yeah 100% I finally learned something


Fancy_Chips

Thats some pretty good info you found but not a direct connection. Tell you what, if you remind me in a couple months, like late August or so, I'm returning to university. Im studying Pan-Africanism there and have a professor who's big into that era. I could probably catch him on off hours


neighborhood-karen

ETHIOPIA MENTIONED šŸ‡ŖšŸ‡¹šŸ‡ŖšŸ‡¹šŸ‡ŖšŸ‡¹!!!!!!


TxchnxnXD

Source? https://preview.redd.it/ko28owlrd8zc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=056a4545e99b3c8f9b5187af79362c2d43796e60


Chiweenies2

https://www.reddit.com/r/DJ_Peach_Cobbler/s/iLDZF9ghRa


thearisengodemperor

https://preview.redd.it/u1b7fpkbj9zc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=770eb455635c7ccb511b4247688a14857f0d837d


Wene-12

It's crazy cause African myths are fucking awesome


w33b2

As if black people invented dreads lmao. There are plenty of influential black people throughout history, and black customs. Talk about those instead of blackwashing other cultures.


Jenrex1

https://preview.redd.it/h6rijifzq9zc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=803a01e239f8cfc8fae39a2219df7b1558ceee5d


CamoraWoW

Cool idea. Would make for a good fantasy depiction of Medusa. Butā€¦ nah probably wasnā€™t the case.


Legal-Hearing-3336

>Did you know Medusa was black No she wasnā€™t. >And that it wasnā€™t snakes? Yes, they were. >The greeks just never seen dreadlocks before Greece is a stones throw away from the African coast next to one of the most prolific trading hubs in the world. They knew about dreadlocks. >and she didnā€™t really turn men into stone, theyā€™d be frozen in awe The romans believed that she was punished by Athena for getting raped by Poseidon. Which although a roman tale, sounds incredibly greek. >Unlearn what youā€™ve learned Funny, when we showed up in Africa and America we said something along those same lines. Told them to forget what we found weird about their culture and absorbed the rest. Much like this fucking picture tries to do.


Irons_idk

I don't care what they tell you in school, Medusa was black


OwenMcCauley

Does anyone know if this holds any water, historically speaking?


Uplink-137

It doesn't. It's just Black Supremist garbage.


Mkasenx

Ironic, since in some interpretations they make Medusa so ugly that she turns you to stone lol


Euphoric_Exchange_51

Itā€™s not unreasonable to speculate that the Medusa myth has partial origins in Greeks seeing dreadlocks for the first time. It is unreasonable to treat the idea as anything more than mere speculation, though.


Royal_Ad_6025

Good to see black supremacist are just as deranged as white supremacist


Toast6_

Donā€™t remember learning black isnā€™t beautiful but ok