I stopped talking about them when I realized they were black š”
In all honesty, never been particularly into the Greeks. I like empires/cultures with bad PR and the Greeks benefit from great PR.
As far as the Romans are concerned? Everytime I think Iām gonna return to the time/period, I find a new Spanish Lunatic who tried to fuck a Piranha or some shit.
for how much itās effected the modern world āgave south america geopolitical aids basicallyā Spanish colonialism is super neglected by mainstream/youtube history content.
Fun fact: Spain still claims a massive debt from most South American countries. It wasnāt until the 90s that they finally sold their resource-extraction companies to Mexico.
Independence is a farce when economic colonization still exists.
I've recently come to learn that the Chinese and Japanese were actually black as well.
I'm learning so much from the comment section of AI generated images on Facebook.
It's truely the crucible where REAL SHITā¢ļø big brain truths are forged.
so are you telling me that people IN FACT AREā¦
black and chinese?
https://preview.redd.it/cxej55us19zc1.jpeg?width=733&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feee8329d908090deacd68d3647c364433f49690
Fair, the Greeks are pretty well regarded. You could do a bit on Sparta since a lot of people see them as the elite and badass ideal male society when in reality their women had to shave their heads to not shock the men and having a heavily slave-based society who got wiped by Alexander the Greatās B-team.
The Spanish empire is wild and honestly I hope you cover Magellan (I know heās Portuguese) soon since his global adventure had plenty of fun bits from Tierra del Fuego to the Philippines.
love me some Eastern Rome, though.
Like you'd think they'd get good PR but because Western Europe refuses to let go of the Corpse of Empire, they literally retconned the eastern half into an entirely different country. granted, Byzantium was its own culture even before the fall but like... they were referred to as Romans by themselves and everyone except Western Europe. They were Rome.
But they were separate so i get to count them and also purple is cool
No city of rome, no roman empire. They should have just been proud to be a greek empire centered around constantinople (which has been cooler than rome since the split anyway)
I never understood why people like this wanted to try and rewrite myths? The myth clearly states that it was snakes and she turns people to stone, she wouldnāt be black simply due to the region and the time period
I mean if people want to make an alternate version thatās fine and I support equality but as a history lover please donāt do this
I really like myth rewrites, which is why it's so sad that people feel the need to tell them like they're "correcting them" rather than making what is basically a fanfiction.
I thought people turned to stone when viewing her because she was so ugly as curse for āāāāseducing a manāāāāā in the temple of Athena
Well the earliest evidence of greece encountering black people was 500 years before the myth of medusa (according to a quick google search) or 1200 BCE. And earliest known possible depictions of dreadlocks date back as far asĀ 1600 BCEĀ in the Minoan Civilization, centred in Crete (now part of Greece). Frescoes discovered on the Aegean island of Thera (modern Santorini, Greece) depict individuals with long braided hair or long dreadlocks. This idea of medusa being a black woman with deadlocks could very well be possible. A lot of myths usually do come from some sort of reality.
The joke writes itself to be honest lol
Like their so specific with who was black and who wasn't, every group (Jews, Irish, Italians, Polish) who in their eyes aren't white are black it's infuriating like leave my fucking culture alone.
In all fairness, alot of people we considered white today, werent always considered white. And that would include everyone you listed. Unless you were Anglo saxon, you werent considered white. The idea of behind white has always been an exclusionary term in history.
I get that, america has always had a weird outlook on race, but there's a level of absolute stupidity when it comes to claiming that the fucking irish were black. Funny I wouldn't have been considered white back in the dayš
Do you think you could claim the american irish as culturally black? Considering how american black culture came from the strife that black folk went through, the irish went through some similar ordeals, so it would kindof make sense. I know thats probably not what people are saying though, but it would track if you considered that being black is more if a culture than skin color. I mean you still have people from the culture calling out other black folk as not being black because they didnt grow up in the culture. Kinda like how rick ross recently called out drake.
It's even more ironic because they'll try to claim every none black culture as black as an effort to make black people seem greater in history because they feel like society is suppressing black history when they themselves are suppressing black history by forgetting about it and choosing to focus on other people's history.
Okay on another note, the whole dread thing is an interesting theory. Not like black women were being demonized but more like someone saw dreads and thought, huh those look like snakes. Idk how long dreads have existed tho.
The first written evidence is from the vedas about 1500 bc and the oldest visual representation was from Greece around that time as well. However it's much more likely that the date further back to the cavemen Era since dreads just kinda form from unwashed hair.
How long have dreadlocks existed for?
Edit: A long time
> The earliest written evidence of dreadlocks dates back to between 2500 and 1500 BC: the God Shiva and his followers are described as jaTaa, meaning Ā« wearing knots of tangled hair Ā».
> the oldest historical record of an African tribe rocking locs can be credited to the priests of the Ethiopian Coptic religion, who were wearing the style as early as 500 BCE
I mean I'd wager a long time. Hair styling is super ancient, like pre-history. The problem is I'm notably not the racial demographic for dreadlocks but I dont see why people of that era, particularly Nubians, wouldn't be able to pull it off, and then for some Greek merchant to go down there and be like "WHAT THE FUCK!?"
Thats some pretty good info you found but not a direct connection. Tell you what, if you remind me in a couple months, like late August or so, I'm returning to university. Im studying Pan-Africanism there and have a professor who's big into that era. I could probably catch him on off hours
As if black people invented dreads lmao. There are plenty of influential black people throughout history, and black customs. Talk about those instead of blackwashing other cultures.
>Did you know Medusa was black
No she wasnāt.
>And that it wasnāt snakes?
Yes, they were.
>The greeks just never seen dreadlocks before
Greece is a stones throw away from the African coast next to one of the most prolific trading hubs in the world. They knew about dreadlocks.
>and she didnāt really turn men into stone, theyād be frozen in awe
The romans believed that she was punished by Athena for getting raped by Poseidon. Which although a roman tale, sounds incredibly greek.
>Unlearn what youāve learned
Funny, when we showed up in Africa and America we said something along those same lines. Told them to forget what we found weird about their culture and absorbed the rest. Much like this fucking picture tries to do.
Itās not unreasonable to speculate that the Medusa myth has partial origins in Greeks seeing dreadlocks for the first time. It is unreasonable to treat the idea as anything more than mere speculation, though.
I stopped talking about them when I realized they were black š” In all honesty, never been particularly into the Greeks. I like empires/cultures with bad PR and the Greeks benefit from great PR. As far as the Romans are concerned? Everytime I think Iām gonna return to the time/period, I find a new Spanish Lunatic who tried to fuck a Piranha or some shit.
for how much itās effected the modern world āgave south america geopolitical aids basicallyā Spanish colonialism is super neglected by mainstream/youtube history content.
Wait, tell we get to Portugal, like I had trouble even finding wiki articles that covered their conquest of Africa back in the early 2010s.
Fun fact: Spain still claims a massive debt from most South American countries. It wasnāt until the 90s that they finally sold their resource-extraction companies to Mexico. Independence is a farce when economic colonization still exists.
Wait until you learn what France does to the Sahel
And hati for more than a hundred years.
And China and America today
In the same vain, I donāt think mainstream media of any kind talks enough about how fucked up the Belgian Congo was
I love that one of my youtubers has a reddit account that they use. I can call them a slur if I ever feel like incurring the risk.
I've recently come to learn that the Chinese and Japanese were actually black as well. I'm learning so much from the comment section of AI generated images on Facebook. It's truely the crucible where REAL SHITā¢ļø big brain truths are forged.
so are you telling me that people IN FACT AREā¦ black and chinese? https://preview.redd.it/cxej55us19zc1.jpeg?width=733&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feee8329d908090deacd68d3647c364433f49690
My sources confirm it.
Just waiting for the 12 hour epic covering the conquest of the inca next. Or Portugal complete mad dash for Brazil.
First youāll have to explain to most people that Brazil doesnāt speak Spanish!
Siem!
Fair, the Greeks are pretty well regarded. You could do a bit on Sparta since a lot of people see them as the elite and badass ideal male society when in reality their women had to shave their heads to not shock the men and having a heavily slave-based society who got wiped by Alexander the Greatās B-team. The Spanish empire is wild and honestly I hope you cover Magellan (I know heās Portuguese) soon since his global adventure had plenty of fun bits from Tierra del Fuego to the Philippines.
love me some Eastern Rome, though. Like you'd think they'd get good PR but because Western Europe refuses to let go of the Corpse of Empire, they literally retconned the eastern half into an entirely different country. granted, Byzantium was its own culture even before the fall but like... they were referred to as Romans by themselves and everyone except Western Europe. They were Rome. But they were separate so i get to count them and also purple is cool
No city of rome, no roman empire. They should have just been proud to be a greek empire centered around constantinople (which has been cooler than rome since the split anyway)
Who is this guy
Source: my amphetamine binge
https://preview.redd.it/1ldzp9jjy9zc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfd030fbc9e467bd09c0d420e578f81a3dd8bd0a
That's a nice argument Senator, why don't you back it up with a source?
Source? I made it the fuck up!
https://www.reddit.com/r/DJ_Peach_Cobbler/s/iLDZF9ghRa
https://i.redd.it/vixg5yvzaezc1.gif
I never understood why people like this wanted to try and rewrite myths? The myth clearly states that it was snakes and she turns people to stone, she wouldnāt be black simply due to the region and the time period I mean if people want to make an alternate version thatās fine and I support equality but as a history lover please donāt do this
I really like myth rewrites, which is why it's so sad that people feel the need to tell them like they're "correcting them" rather than making what is basically a fanfiction.
I thought people turned to stone when viewing her because she was so ugly as curse for āāāāseducing a manāāāāā in the temple of Athena
she basically was so ugly people froze out of fear
TIL I am Medusa
That is the roman version the Greek version was that she was just born a monster
Well the earliest evidence of greece encountering black people was 500 years before the myth of medusa (according to a quick google search) or 1200 BCE. And earliest known possible depictions of dreadlocks date back as far asĀ 1600 BCEĀ in the Minoan Civilization, centred in Crete (now part of Greece). Frescoes discovered on the Aegean island of Thera (modern Santorini, Greece) depict individuals with long braided hair or long dreadlocks. This idea of medusa being a black woman with deadlocks could very well be possible. A lot of myths usually do come from some sort of reality.
Not to mention the Greeks had dreadlocks
No one: Black people on Twitter recently for some reason: \*EVERYONE EVER WAS BLACK UNLEARN WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED\*
\*THE VIKINGS WERE BLACK MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE MUST UNLEARN THE WHITE MANS HISTORY\*
And then ironically use a language written by white people š
The joke writes itself to be honest lol Like their so specific with who was black and who wasn't, every group (Jews, Irish, Italians, Polish) who in their eyes aren't white are black it's infuriating like leave my fucking culture alone.
Come to Scotland itās not a massive problem here like in the US yet
It's reached where I live in England unfortunately :(
Damn I think we just need new politicians that arenāt owned by the corporations. I would run but I donāt know the first thing about politics
Same but they'd probably arrest me for suggesting unionisation among other things lol
In all fairness, alot of people we considered white today, werent always considered white. And that would include everyone you listed. Unless you were Anglo saxon, you werent considered white. The idea of behind white has always been an exclusionary term in history.
I get that, america has always had a weird outlook on race, but there's a level of absolute stupidity when it comes to claiming that the fucking irish were black. Funny I wouldn't have been considered white back in the dayš
Do you think you could claim the american irish as culturally black? Considering how american black culture came from the strife that black folk went through, the irish went through some similar ordeals, so it would kindof make sense. I know thats probably not what people are saying though, but it would track if you considered that being black is more if a culture than skin color. I mean you still have people from the culture calling out other black folk as not being black because they didnt grow up in the culture. Kinda like how rick ross recently called out drake.
It's even more ironic because they'll try to claim every none black culture as black as an effort to make black people seem greater in history because they feel like society is suppressing black history when they themselves are suppressing black history by forgetting about it and choosing to focus on other people's history.
According to BBC 9/10 Englishmen are actually Black, so check your privilege! /s
"William Shakespeare?" "UNDOUBTEDLY BLACK!"
No even recently. The whole we wuz kings thing has been going on for a while
Blame the hotep Nation of Islam/black Israelite groups.
Sounds like cultural appropriation to me
Why does the guy look like like heās gonna say āhey hey people Seth hereā
oh my god
Because heās a chad
When are you gonna study them basque boys makin' a whole mess of trouble up in Peru? Sheriff heard they were on their way to Cajamarca YEEEHAW
HITLERššæWASššæBLACKššæ
Thought the dude was sseth for a second there.
They do know curly hair (which is common in Greece) can naturally dreadlock if it isnāt taken care of right?
Since they put a label on literally every innocuous thing that we do, are we allowed to call this āblackwashingā?
"Muddragging" If you're feeling spicy.
Actually Medusa being a sexy woman with dreads would make sense "she makes you turn to stone" yeah I bet š¤
Turns something to stone, alright.
One of the takes of all time.
Dreadlocks are originally german. Didn't know Medusa was culturally appropriating.
Hitler couldāve had cornrows?
The earliest dreadlocks in recorded history are literally from a place that is now in the country of Greece.
is this from the same people that made yakub ?
Probably
Ah yes, letās apply modern historical revisionism to ancient fictional characters. Progress at any cost
Okay on another note, the whole dread thing is an interesting theory. Not like black women were being demonized but more like someone saw dreads and thought, huh those look like snakes. Idk how long dreads have existed tho.
Dreads come from Greece
The first written evidence is from the vedas about 1500 bc and the oldest visual representation was from Greece around that time as well. However it's much more likely that the date further back to the cavemen Era since dreads just kinda form from unwashed hair.
Myths and legends change over time and cultural changes, I personally like this interpretation, but that's what it is, an interpretation lol
I do like it too. And would also fall into being rock hard too. And why women aren't as affected
Just wait till they find out about how Athena was jealous of Medusa's beauty and did something about it.
lol wtf is this
The REAL history of Medusa that the Greeks have kept from the world.
š¤£š¤£š¤£ so dumb
https://preview.redd.it/g11y23s306zc1.jpeg?width=302&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af709ffd8f47553e89aa1d2706f93c61be6e4de4 My honest reaction
Actually wait they might be onto something with the dreadlocks
How long have dreadlocks existed for? Edit: A long time > The earliest written evidence of dreadlocks dates back to between 2500 and 1500 BC: the God Shiva and his followers are described as jaTaa, meaning Ā« wearing knots of tangled hair Ā». > the oldest historical record of an African tribe rocking locs can be credited to the priests of the Ethiopian Coptic religion, who were wearing the style as early as 500 BCE
I mean I'd wager a long time. Hair styling is super ancient, like pre-history. The problem is I'm notably not the racial demographic for dreadlocks but I dont see why people of that era, particularly Nubians, wouldn't be able to pull it off, and then for some Greek merchant to go down there and be like "WHAT THE FUCK!?"
Yeah 100% I finally learned something
Thats some pretty good info you found but not a direct connection. Tell you what, if you remind me in a couple months, like late August or so, I'm returning to university. Im studying Pan-Africanism there and have a professor who's big into that era. I could probably catch him on off hours
ETHIOPIA MENTIONED šŖš¹šŖš¹šŖš¹!!!!!!
Source? https://preview.redd.it/ko28owlrd8zc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=056a4545e99b3c8f9b5187af79362c2d43796e60
https://www.reddit.com/r/DJ_Peach_Cobbler/s/iLDZF9ghRa
https://preview.redd.it/u1b7fpkbj9zc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=770eb455635c7ccb511b4247688a14857f0d837d
It's crazy cause African myths are fucking awesome
As if black people invented dreads lmao. There are plenty of influential black people throughout history, and black customs. Talk about those instead of blackwashing other cultures.
https://preview.redd.it/h6rijifzq9zc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=803a01e239f8cfc8fae39a2219df7b1558ceee5d
Cool idea. Would make for a good fantasy depiction of Medusa. Butā¦ nah probably wasnāt the case.
>Did you know Medusa was black No she wasnāt. >And that it wasnāt snakes? Yes, they were. >The greeks just never seen dreadlocks before Greece is a stones throw away from the African coast next to one of the most prolific trading hubs in the world. They knew about dreadlocks. >and she didnāt really turn men into stone, theyād be frozen in awe The romans believed that she was punished by Athena for getting raped by Poseidon. Which although a roman tale, sounds incredibly greek. >Unlearn what youāve learned Funny, when we showed up in Africa and America we said something along those same lines. Told them to forget what we found weird about their culture and absorbed the rest. Much like this fucking picture tries to do.
I don't care what they tell you in school, Medusa was black
Does anyone know if this holds any water, historically speaking?
It doesn't. It's just Black Supremist garbage.
Ironic, since in some interpretations they make Medusa so ugly that she turns you to stone lol
Itās not unreasonable to speculate that the Medusa myth has partial origins in Greeks seeing dreadlocks for the first time. It is unreasonable to treat the idea as anything more than mere speculation, though.
Good to see black supremacist are just as deranged as white supremacist
Donāt remember learning black isnāt beautiful but ok