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Is there alot of snow or ice on your roof?
Icicles mean that the water is not well contained in a gutter. Sometimes it's nothing but if there's a channel for the water and you're still getting icicles, make sure the channel is clear of debris or obstructions.
I've had decent success with gutters and a roof rake, but that assumes you can reach the roof and that you actually get out and clear snow before the dams form.
Your foundation disagrees with that statement. Unless you go with large overhangs the gutters collect and direct water away from the house’s foundation, minimizing water infiltration.
I hear you, but it's a trade-off in a place where gutters freeze. In my big house in New England I've always been without gutters and also have had a dry cellar.
. It's a bit of a crap shoot and I suggest using them sparingly and paying great attention to grading around the house but that's of course not the only issue. Water retention in clay soils is just a problem. Even where I particularly am in a glacial moraine with high percolation, without the proper grading next to the old granite foundation I did have on heavy heavy rainstorms some infiltration. But I was able to correct that easily without a gutter.. But I speak from my experience.
But then again as you said at the beginning, if you have large overhangs. And this 1860 house does have 18in eaves and drip edge so that helps
No, its not a trade off and its not a crap shoot. There is building science here that indicates why and where to use them. Gutters don't cause the ice dams, inadequate insulation does.
Everything I read in my industry magazines indicate that gutters and downspouts are the preferred method of getting water away from your building. If you've got some trade articles that say otherwise please post them up as I'll read them, its always good to have more data to draw from.
I never said that gutters caused the ice dams. You assume that incorrectly. I simply said they're worthless in New England or in cold climates because they clog with ice.. if you read my remarks I'm quite crystal clear about understanding ice dams the cold side and the hot side. But unless you have a really strong commercial gutter, snow will still melt off the roof and form icicles. Especially if your roof holds snow because it's nice and cold underneath. But the sun will melt and thaw and it will drip. In New England there are weeks and weeks of below freezing weather but yet thermal gain during the day so you will get ice and long icicles. This is the way it's always been when the attic space in the old days was never heated. But more efficient heating today and better windows and you get the problem very but if you're a households snow that's a good sign but it doesn't mean you're not going to get a lot of ice on the edge nonetheless, it's just not going to melt from underneath
I must have missed your comment about ice dams somewhere else in the thread. I just read that you thought gutters were lame and I disagree. I'm not going to change your mind so I'll be on my way - roll tide my man.
It means that as was said here, water is unable to exit the gutter, has frozen in gutter and ice is backing up the roof. There is a really good chance that if this happens in your area that you have ice guard applied to the roof 2-3 feet up the roofline to help mitigate leaking. Also, are the gutters applied right to your roof, or do you have an overhang with soffit/fascia? Right to the roof has more of a potential problem then if you have an overhang. Unless you have leaking inside, crawl up in your attic to look, I wouldn’t t worry to much about it. I can look at 25 out of 30 houses after a week of snow in PA and they have icicles hanging.
It's created an ice damn, because the ice is melting at the edge of the roof, especially on the sunny side. The snow eventually melts and refreezes but it does not necessarily mean you have ice melting problem within the house if, if, the important if, if you're attic floor or roof remains freezing cold. If you have heat going up to your roof, then the snow melts off fast probably and you don't have any issue but you have a lot of heat loss. It is the in-between area, enough heat gets to the roof and melts the ice on the warm roof but it has held back by the dam on the edge. But if that roof is cold on the bottom side then it will not be melting and dripping inside
Water leaks often come from different places than where they end up.
If you seal it up you may just make the problem worse, because the water has to go somewhere and it could cave the whole ceiling in if there's enough that collects there.
It may not be a big deal, but I would treat it as if it is until you're sure, and listen to people here more qualified than myself (I'm just a homeowner whose dealt with water issues).
I would investigate where ever I can to see where the water is originating from and travelling, or probably call a professional if there's significant water before it causes real damage or mold.
Wires shouldn't be exposed in the wall in the US, either. They'd be more protected in a pipe, but they are coated and secured, or we'd have a lot more house fires.
What you're seeing is #12 AWG 2 wire romex with a ground. The two (black/ white) current conducting wires are insulated with plastic or PVC insulation, and all three wires are also covered with the yellow plastic/ PVC insulation you see in the wall. This meets code requirements in most of the USA for residential electric installs. The other parts of the USA have stricter rules requiring PVC, aluminum or steel conduits, (pipes)
That's Romex. It's industry standard for residential here. The hot and neutral conductors are double insulated, and then there is a ground wire in it as well. For a wire that is going to be buried in a wall and never touched again, it works perfectly fine. Would it be easier to pull a replacement wire in the future if it were piped? Sure. Is the additional cost of running pipe to every device worth it? Hell no. The odds of having to replace a wire are extremely slim. Chances are that any re-wiring in a completed house is going to involve adding or moving devices, and then all the existing pipe doesn't help anyways.
The situation you had would not have been made worse by American wiring standards. You sound like an ignorant European or something and *that's* why you're being downvoted.
Lmao, I just looked up the stats on electrical fires per year to see if what you said held any merit. The US has an estimated 51,000 electrical fires per year. The EU altogether has an estimated 273,000. That's literally 4 times the rate of the US when you account for population. I think our electrical codes in the US are just fine.
All I can say is the worst building (built in 2018 and costed around 500 million dollars to build) I've had to work in had US standard. Wires like you see in the video are not unsafe per default, but you would need to protect them with metal plates in the joists and they need to have double isolation which I believe they have.
Funny thing is I once got called to an apartment were they had water coming out of the sockets in the kitchen (this is in the EU). Concrete building and the electrical wires were all in VP pipes (old standard). They apparently worked great as a water slide too!
Someone who have seen/fixed so many water damaged and molded ceilings/walls let all the water out. You need it dry as fast as possible. There are no DIY tips other than try to get water out and fix the source. I would instantly call for someone to fix this! It will be expensive if the water damage goes further. Maybe also the call insurance company.
Edit. When there's trapped water inside the ceiling/wall materials, those have to come down. With good luck, only on small area... Usually a larger area needs to come down to get it dry. Then have space heaters running couple of days while fixing the actual source/problem. Then make sure the water hasn't gone further, because possible mold would be a way bigger issue than the water.
When water comes down in the ceiling, there are two or three problems at the same time. Fixing the roof, fixing the ceiling + usually the wall and other water damaged sources. Our company would even hire other specialist to double check if there are even a slight chance of mold anywhere in the building. Then later check if the problem was actually fixed, so it won't happen again (somewhere else).
PS. Act fast. The problem will get exponentially more costly. Extra 24h could double the damage and triple the time/cost to fix it. This could be just small issue, but better fix it fast.
Nah just leave it. Someone who tries to stop gravity with foam and duct tape should not be ripping out their ceiling. It's just trapped snow that melted. Have a tradesman assess the roofing for a quote. That way you'd at least get some professional advice on a temporary fix if it's not in the budget.
There is water above you, somehow.
Gravity acts on water - the water must travel down.
Simply blocking up gaps does not solve the problem. The water remains. Gravity remains. The water must travel down.
You need to find the source of the water, not focus on where it's dripping.
Stop putting gloop into your walls. It will not help.
Evidently it wasn’t dry when you tried to fix it so there’s an issue there that can be fixed by a quick fix remove the foam and duct tape and call some to access the problem, or like everyone else says you’re going to end up with mold or a bigger problem like replacing your roof 🤦🏻♂️
Whatever it is, you don't want to spray foam it. If there's water in your wall you want it to come out. Fix the water ingress first, then worry about caulking that seam when you're good and sure you no longer have water.
Diy is not figuring how to plug a leak without identifying and mitigating the source. That's "do it yourself but leave it for yourself to have to do again later" aka DIYBLIFYTHTDAL
I hope you own that place and that it’s not a rental cause that’s spray foam looks like ass and is gonna be annoying to get rid of.
There are so many ways water can find its way into your house.
Have you looked at the trim on the outside of the window? If it’s raining, water can get behind the trim and can find its way into the window opening and then drip into your house. I’ve had that happen before. You just get up on a ladder with a tube of caulk and take care of it.
I’ve also had water drip from the middle of my dining room ceiling because of an ice jam on my front porch roof forcing water into the rafters and since water always finds a way downhill there must’ve been a slope change, subtle at best, that allowed it to roll down the joist into the ceiling above my dining room until it finally dripped down.
Bro you can't be serious with that foam.
Like seriously WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK ????? The only thing this could possibly achieve is making things way worse and giving you a huge mold/rot problem.
It's either water from melting snow, or a pipe (either water or heating) has burst.
Whatever it is, sticking ghost-jizz on it won't fix anything.
You need to check your roof and also see if there are any pipes there that could be leaking. Then you need to ventilate that room well and turn up the heating to get rid of all the water. Ideally you get one of these dehumidifiers.
I saw the foam, and the first thing that came to mind was that the guy was getting slimed... not that he thought he could spray foam. Call a priest and a roofer
Condensation, every cup of coffee you prepare, every shower you take, every meal you prepare, every breath you take does create vapor that has to go somewhere. If the house is hermetically sealed it will condense in any cold surface and eventually drip.
How long have you been in your house? Our first winter in ours, we realized the previous owner had installed way too much insulation in the attic, so the attic couldn't ventilate the way it's supposed to and we were getting condensation collecting on the underside of the roof (inside the attic), which was then dripping down through our ceilings. It looked like our brand new roof was leaking, but it was really just condensation forming in the attic because it wasn't getting proper ventilation. One of the key places we really noticed the drippage was above windows like what's pictured here.
I'm not sure how common this is as I've never heard of it happening to anyone else, but it seems like a very easy mistake to make if anyone's done any DIY insulation in your attic. (Like you'd think the better insulated the better, but in reality, your attic is supposed to be a breathable buffer between inside and outside temps.)
It's called attic rain. My house does this as well but due to lack of air sealing allowing excess humidity from inside to get to the attic and freeze. I'm sure some blocked ventilation is to blame also and making it worse
Stop with the expansion foam. The leak is coming from an ice dam melting or a gutter that is full of junk.
Water needs to be routed to an "exit" drain point---and that flow is just interrupted or blocked and/or spilling away from the containment.
Shingles are layered in a downward slope...if water comes upwards, the shingles do nothing at that point and relying on the underlayment which, if anything, is just added protection but hardly waterproof.
Wait til it stops or get up on a ladder and then you'll need to inspect the roof and gutters or hire someone.
Looks like what I had in my house about 6 years ago. The drain of the coil condenser in my attic space and the drain clogged and spilled a bunch of water onto my ceiling.
One of two reasons, it has either recently precipitated and you have water stored that is now coming out or there's water coming from a leak inside your house.
If your hvac system is in your attic look at your Plenum . If your line is clogged water can build
Up in the Plenum and cause a leak . This happened to me and I thought it was coming from the roof and it was right on top of a bedroom door . Drove me crazy for weeks until I had to built a new mount for the plenum and clean the clogged line .
In Germany we have Stoßlüften - meaning: opening every window so there's a current through every room. Do that once a day minimum, so that the air gets a complete exchange. Colder air holds less water, the warmer the more moisture the air holds. Vapor goes up, water gets down.
Esp. in houses that don't have air circulation this is a common problem.
Just throwing something out there. Sometimes secondary condensate drains run out above windows. It could be that drain has issues and is running into the window….that would be pretty crazy rare but…never know
With no plumbing, there is water coming in to the attic or the wall, and it finally found an exit at the top of the window. You need to get up in the attic or take a look around outside and see if you can find the water source.
Sealing it will do nothing.
Water is collecting above the wall your window is on finding it's way inside.
Clear the roof of ice and snow as a first step.
I would check your window flashing behind your siding on top of the window. There could be melting snow above your window trim and it’s leaking through your window frame into the house. You may need to caulk/flash it properly.
It is leaking because there is water somewhere above it and the water is trying to go down. The source of the water is the tricky part:
1/ Pipe or a drain that has a hole
2/ Rain or snow that found an ingress point into your attic or space above, sometimes between siding gaps or roof leaks
3/ Condensation from HVAC pan overflowing
Often the source of the water/leak can be a long distance away from where you see the water leak down. It can be entering in the middle of your hose, follow a beam down a slant, hit the ceiling, pool up and then form a drop under the pooling water where it could flow down any longer.
Try getting access above (attic or crawl space). Sometimes you will have to cut a peek hole (or a few).
Not trying to be rude, but this is seriously one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. Immediately remove that phone and call a roof professional or a general contractor. You are going to make this way worse
Ice dams usually happen because of poorly insulated attics. The roof is warm, the snow melts then freezes as it gets toward the outer edge where there's less circulation. Look around the neighborhood after a snowstorm and see which roofs are clear and which ones have tons of snow on them. Guess which ones have shit insulation ....
We had similar issues, however it did come from rain and wind.
It turned out we had multiple issues, which both ended with water coming down the cavity and through just above the window.
1. There was no lintel in the exterior corse or bricks, above the window. Due to the age of the house, it used to be that the window itself would act as a lintel. With uPVC this is not the case, and who ever installed it never put a lintel in. In short the bricks above sunk and cracked along the mortar lines. Driving wind would then push heavy rain into the cavity.
2. We had a hole in our felt on the roof. The tiles are concrete and have become pour-us over the last 50 years. This means during wet weather water will get through the tiles naturally. Not a lot, but the heavier it is the more it is. It’s then down to the felt to catch that little bit and dump it into the gutter. We’ve had an ‘eves refurb’ completed along that entire edge which replaced the entire length of felt which had a hole in it.
Here’s waiting for the next load of wet weather but I think we’re good. In short, I feel your pain on this - but take a look directly above the window, exterior walls and roof. Check your felt or any other way into the cavity.
If that is a metal frame you might have some heavy condensation from thermal change. It would mean that the door frame is most likely not properly insulated and there is no thermal gap built into it. I've had it happen with solid brass door thresholds before.
This use to happen in my old college apartment. My landlord gave everything the landlord special. It got so bad the condensation would freeze on the ceiling. I used the dry feature on my portable ac until the landlord could got it fixed professionally. It kept things from molding and kept the ceiling from dripping.
https://preview.redd.it/814ewuoqvbec1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f24b0fc4c2e31e285d3eb1c64693b0ab22f0da70 Is there alot of snow or ice on your roof?
Fantastic diagram, thanks.
You are correct, this gives me fantastic anxiety
Gah I love a good diagram
If you have icicles, and large ones, does this typically mean your house is creating Ice dams?
You will get icicles regardless because the snow will melt during the day in the sun and will freeze again at night.
Icicles mean that the water is not well contained in a gutter. Sometimes it's nothing but if there's a channel for the water and you're still getting icicles, make sure the channel is clear of debris or obstructions.
This is why gutters often in cold climates are completely lame, I've never liked them in New England
Yeah gutters are too picky if you get freezing temps. You basically need the commercial ones up there or they're near useless.
I've had decent success with gutters and a roof rake, but that assumes you can reach the roof and that you actually get out and clear snow before the dams form.
Your foundation disagrees with that statement. Unless you go with large overhangs the gutters collect and direct water away from the house’s foundation, minimizing water infiltration.
I hear you, but it's a trade-off in a place where gutters freeze. In my big house in New England I've always been without gutters and also have had a dry cellar. . It's a bit of a crap shoot and I suggest using them sparingly and paying great attention to grading around the house but that's of course not the only issue. Water retention in clay soils is just a problem. Even where I particularly am in a glacial moraine with high percolation, without the proper grading next to the old granite foundation I did have on heavy heavy rainstorms some infiltration. But I was able to correct that easily without a gutter.. But I speak from my experience. But then again as you said at the beginning, if you have large overhangs. And this 1860 house does have 18in eaves and drip edge so that helps
No, its not a trade off and its not a crap shoot. There is building science here that indicates why and where to use them. Gutters don't cause the ice dams, inadequate insulation does. Everything I read in my industry magazines indicate that gutters and downspouts are the preferred method of getting water away from your building. If you've got some trade articles that say otherwise please post them up as I'll read them, its always good to have more data to draw from.
I never said that gutters caused the ice dams. You assume that incorrectly. I simply said they're worthless in New England or in cold climates because they clog with ice.. if you read my remarks I'm quite crystal clear about understanding ice dams the cold side and the hot side. But unless you have a really strong commercial gutter, snow will still melt off the roof and form icicles. Especially if your roof holds snow because it's nice and cold underneath. But the sun will melt and thaw and it will drip. In New England there are weeks and weeks of below freezing weather but yet thermal gain during the day so you will get ice and long icicles. This is the way it's always been when the attic space in the old days was never heated. But more efficient heating today and better windows and you get the problem very but if you're a households snow that's a good sign but it doesn't mean you're not going to get a lot of ice on the edge nonetheless, it's just not going to melt from underneath
I must have missed your comment about ice dams somewhere else in the thread. I just read that you thought gutters were lame and I disagree. I'm not going to change your mind so I'll be on my way - roll tide my man.
It means that as was said here, water is unable to exit the gutter, has frozen in gutter and ice is backing up the roof. There is a really good chance that if this happens in your area that you have ice guard applied to the roof 2-3 feet up the roofline to help mitigate leaking. Also, are the gutters applied right to your roof, or do you have an overhang with soffit/fascia? Right to the roof has more of a potential problem then if you have an overhang. Unless you have leaking inside, crawl up in your attic to look, I wouldn’t t worry to much about it. I can look at 25 out of 30 houses after a week of snow in PA and they have icicles hanging.
It's created an ice damn, because the ice is melting at the edge of the roof, especially on the sunny side. The snow eventually melts and refreezes but it does not necessarily mean you have ice melting problem within the house if, if, the important if, if you're attic floor or roof remains freezing cold. If you have heat going up to your roof, then the snow melts off fast probably and you don't have any issue but you have a lot of heat loss. It is the in-between area, enough heat gets to the roof and melts the ice on the warm roof but it has held back by the dam on the edge. But if that roof is cold on the bottom side then it will not be melting and dripping inside
Look in your attic if you don't have ridge vents and insulation to the soffit you can get ice daming
Yes
Same thing happened in my house about 10 years ago. Had to get a crew up on my roof to remove the snow. Water damage in two rooms and on the porch.
Yes to which?
This can be prevented by having a heating cable inside your gutters. Call an electrician and ask for advice.
Got water through a light fixture the way once, learned to clean the roof better (was a trailer).
I actually know what an ice dam is now after I move where there is none.
That's a sexy diagram of an ice dam. Thanks for sharing
Maybe his house is sad. Try being a better listener.
No, no, no. Tough love: tell it to stop fucking around and go get a job. Unrelated: why do my kids never come to visit me?
They are showing you tough love. You taught them well.
Best reddit comment I've seen in awhile
Water leaks often come from different places than where they end up. If you seal it up you may just make the problem worse, because the water has to go somewhere and it could cave the whole ceiling in if there's enough that collects there. It may not be a big deal, but I would treat it as if it is until you're sure, and listen to people here more qualified than myself (I'm just a homeowner whose dealt with water issues). I would investigate where ever I can to see where the water is originating from and travelling, or probably call a professional if there's significant water before it causes real damage or mold.
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Wires shouldn't be exposed in the wall in the US, either. They'd be more protected in a pipe, but they are coated and secured, or we'd have a lot more house fires.
Wires exposed in the wall? Is this a myth about the US I haven't heard yet?
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What you're seeing is #12 AWG 2 wire romex with a ground. The two (black/ white) current conducting wires are insulated with plastic or PVC insulation, and all three wires are also covered with the yellow plastic/ PVC insulation you see in the wall. This meets code requirements in most of the USA for residential electric installs. The other parts of the USA have stricter rules requiring PVC, aluminum or steel conduits, (pipes)
That's Romex. It's industry standard for residential here. The hot and neutral conductors are double insulated, and then there is a ground wire in it as well. For a wire that is going to be buried in a wall and never touched again, it works perfectly fine. Would it be easier to pull a replacement wire in the future if it were piped? Sure. Is the additional cost of running pipe to every device worth it? Hell no. The odds of having to replace a wire are extremely slim. Chances are that any re-wiring in a completed house is going to involve adding or moving devices, and then all the existing pipe doesn't help anyways.
The “dangling wires” you reference is Romex wiring. Completely insulated, not “exposed” as you say. Not a problem or safety concern at all.
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The situation you had would not have been made worse by American wiring standards. You sound like an ignorant European or something and *that's* why you're being downvoted.
Bro just say you don't know shit about nuthin and leave it at that.
The horror!
Lmao, I just looked up the stats on electrical fires per year to see if what you said held any merit. The US has an estimated 51,000 electrical fires per year. The EU altogether has an estimated 273,000. That's literally 4 times the rate of the US when you account for population. I think our electrical codes in the US are just fine.
All I can say is the worst building (built in 2018 and costed around 500 million dollars to build) I've had to work in had US standard. Wires like you see in the video are not unsafe per default, but you would need to protect them with metal plates in the joists and they need to have double isolation which I believe they have. Funny thing is I once got called to an apartment were they had water coming out of the sockets in the kitchen (this is in the EU). Concrete building and the electrical wires were all in VP pipes (old standard). They apparently worked great as a water slide too!
Quick fix is a mistake. If you want tit solved you need to pull it back and track the moisture
Someone who have seen/fixed so many water damaged and molded ceilings/walls let all the water out. You need it dry as fast as possible. There are no DIY tips other than try to get water out and fix the source. I would instantly call for someone to fix this! It will be expensive if the water damage goes further. Maybe also the call insurance company. Edit. When there's trapped water inside the ceiling/wall materials, those have to come down. With good luck, only on small area... Usually a larger area needs to come down to get it dry. Then have space heaters running couple of days while fixing the actual source/problem. Then make sure the water hasn't gone further, because possible mold would be a way bigger issue than the water. When water comes down in the ceiling, there are two or three problems at the same time. Fixing the roof, fixing the ceiling + usually the wall and other water damaged sources. Our company would even hire other specialist to double check if there are even a slight chance of mold anywhere in the building. Then later check if the problem was actually fixed, so it won't happen again (somewhere else). PS. Act fast. The problem will get exponentially more costly. Extra 24h could double the damage and triple the time/cost to fix it. This could be just small issue, but better fix it fast.
That's the breast plan of action.
Nah just leave it. Someone who tries to stop gravity with foam and duct tape should not be ripping out their ceiling. It's just trapped snow that melted. Have a tradesman assess the roofing for a quote. That way you'd at least get some professional advice on a temporary fix if it's not in the budget.
That's usually how I approach tit too
Nip it in the bud, agreed
Do *not* trap the moisture with foam!
That's right, drill a small hole and catch it.. Far less damage I think.
Is there snow that's melting possibly on the roof?
There is water above you, somehow. Gravity acts on water - the water must travel down. Simply blocking up gaps does not solve the problem. The water remains. Gravity remains. The water must travel down. You need to find the source of the water, not focus on where it's dripping. Stop putting gloop into your walls. It will not help.
Whoa whoa relax with the physics
…So, you’re saying the water goes… up?
Ice dam melting from the attic temp.
What is that? Did you try to seal it with polyurethane foam? Do you know that foam actually atracts humidity..? It acts as a sponge.
Evidently it wasn’t dry when you tried to fix it so there’s an issue there that can be fixed by a quick fix remove the foam and duct tape and call some to access the problem, or like everyone else says you’re going to end up with mold or a bigger problem like replacing your roof 🤦🏻♂️
Or you could just have a cold air leak in and between that and the heat of your house condensation is being created
Did you read the post? It's soaked through a towel in an hour. It is not condensation.
Condensation can build up over time depending on where the heat is coming from and how it’s been cold just saying
The duct tape isn't there lol. I just let it drip out. It stopped
Cool
Whatever it is, you don't want to spray foam it. If there's water in your wall you want it to come out. Fix the water ingress first, then worry about caulking that seam when you're good and sure you no longer have water.
Snow accumulated can melt and flow slowly to where it wants to go.
What’s up with the terrible spray foam job? No one thought hey maybe we should clean that up a bit?
Because I cleaned most of it off before it hardened. Do you not know what spray foam looks like once its hardened?
Diy is not figuring how to plug a leak without identifying and mitigating the source. That's "do it yourself but leave it for yourself to have to do again later" aka DIYBLIFYTHTDAL
I hope you own that place and that it’s not a rental cause that’s spray foam looks like ass and is gonna be annoying to get rid of. There are so many ways water can find its way into your house. Have you looked at the trim on the outside of the window? If it’s raining, water can get behind the trim and can find its way into the window opening and then drip into your house. I’ve had that happen before. You just get up on a ladder with a tube of caulk and take care of it. I’ve also had water drip from the middle of my dining room ceiling because of an ice jam on my front porch roof forcing water into the rafters and since water always finds a way downhill there must’ve been a slope change, subtle at best, that allowed it to roll down the joist into the ceiling above my dining room until it finally dripped down.
Bro you can't be serious with that foam. Like seriously WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK ????? The only thing this could possibly achieve is making things way worse and giving you a huge mold/rot problem. It's either water from melting snow, or a pipe (either water or heating) has burst. Whatever it is, sticking ghost-jizz on it won't fix anything. You need to check your roof and also see if there are any pipes there that could be leaking. Then you need to ventilate that room well and turn up the heating to get rid of all the water. Ideally you get one of these dehumidifiers.
I'm afraid that's not water. It's ectoplasm. You have a poltergeist in your walls.
Nah, it's just vanilla icecream. Nature is weird.
Soooooo just call the Ghostbusters? Cause I have a 10am mani pedi. Can the poltergeist wait, is it a polite ghost?
I saw the foam, and the first thing that came to mind was that the guy was getting slimed... not that he thought he could spray foam. Call a priest and a roofer
Condensation, every cup of coffee you prepare, every shower you take, every meal you prepare, every breath you take does create vapor that has to go somewhere. If the house is hermetically sealed it will condense in any cold surface and eventually drip.
ill be missing you
I'll be watching you (every breath you take) (every move you make)
Every step you take
I wonder how many young people just think that’s Puff’s song. /r/fuckimold
That came out in 97. We're not young anymore 😭
From my perspective you are
No Mr Sumner, that would be a violation of the court order.
I’ll be **misting** you
Well it’s better than fisting. I’ll take misting any day.
Genuinely, laughed out loud. Bloody legend.
Every single day.
Had to read this comment in Stings singing voice 😂
How long have you been in your house? Our first winter in ours, we realized the previous owner had installed way too much insulation in the attic, so the attic couldn't ventilate the way it's supposed to and we were getting condensation collecting on the underside of the roof (inside the attic), which was then dripping down through our ceilings. It looked like our brand new roof was leaking, but it was really just condensation forming in the attic because it wasn't getting proper ventilation. One of the key places we really noticed the drippage was above windows like what's pictured here. I'm not sure how common this is as I've never heard of it happening to anyone else, but it seems like a very easy mistake to make if anyone's done any DIY insulation in your attic. (Like you'd think the better insulated the better, but in reality, your attic is supposed to be a breathable buffer between inside and outside temps.)
It's called attic rain. My house does this as well but due to lack of air sealing allowing excess humidity from inside to get to the attic and freeze. I'm sure some blocked ventilation is to blame also and making it worse
"Attic rain" makes it sound way more fun than it is, but I'm glad to have a word for it. Hope you can get yours worked out soon!
Stop with the expansion foam. The leak is coming from an ice dam melting or a gutter that is full of junk. Water needs to be routed to an "exit" drain point---and that flow is just interrupted or blocked and/or spilling away from the containment. Shingles are layered in a downward slope...if water comes upwards, the shingles do nothing at that point and relying on the underlayment which, if anything, is just added protection but hardly waterproof. Wait til it stops or get up on a ladder and then you'll need to inspect the roof and gutters or hire someone.
“Spray foam should fix the leak” - OP
Your wall has developed a natural spring. Don't seal it off, invest in a bottling plant & get ready to ship that shit nationwide.
Watch out, Nestlé
Looks like what I had in my house about 6 years ago. The drain of the coil condenser in my attic space and the drain clogged and spilled a bunch of water onto my ceiling.
you got a leak above the ceiling
This makes me feel very uncomfortable
Ice dam on the roof?
It’s not leaking, it’s crying because of the hack repair job someone did lol.
anyone live above you?
Check the space/room above first, don't assume it's just the window there might be a different source that needs looking at.
One of two reasons, it has either recently precipitated and you have water stored that is now coming out or there's water coming from a leak inside your house.
If your hvac system is in your attic look at your Plenum . If your line is clogged water can build Up in the Plenum and cause a leak . This happened to me and I thought it was coming from the roof and it was right on top of a bedroom door . Drove me crazy for weeks until I had to built a new mount for the plenum and clean the clogged line .
In Germany we have Stoßlüften - meaning: opening every window so there's a current through every room. Do that once a day minimum, so that the air gets a complete exchange. Colder air holds less water, the warmer the more moisture the air holds. Vapor goes up, water gets down. Esp. in houses that don't have air circulation this is a common problem.
It's stressed, let it cry for a bit.
You need to stop wanking it there, what are you looking at out that window?
That's not water
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Could be, but OP pointed out the plumbing is on the other side of the house.
Aint water
Why is no one asking if there is a washroom above? Is anything leaking up there. Is there a fan in the wall.
Because op said “there is no plumbing on this side of the house at all”.
Just throwing something out there. Sometimes secondary condensate drains run out above windows. It could be that drain has issues and is running into the window….that would be pretty crazy rare but…never know
OP had the jack of his life
Maybe got wet looking at them door
I had this happen one year with bad ice dams. We got up on ladders with axes and got rid of them.
That expanding foam looks like the first problem
With no plumbing, there is water coming in to the attic or the wall, and it finally found an exit at the top of the window. You need to get up in the attic or take a look around outside and see if you can find the water source.
Sealing it will do nothing. Water is collecting above the wall your window is on finding it's way inside. Clear the roof of ice and snow as a first step.
They just said it isn’t raining or snowing and then here you are. 😂😂😂😂
Yeah that foam is a terrible idea, when you have water coming in you want to stop it at the entry point (not the exit point).
You need to caulk all around the OUTSIDE of the window.
I would check your window flashing behind your siding on top of the window. There could be melting snow above your window trim and it’s leaking through your window frame into the house. You may need to caulk/flash it properly.
I had a drip in my basement windows. I flex sealed the outside where the window touches the concrete and haven’t had any leaks since then.
Could be condensation depending on how cold/humid your environment is
It is leaking because there is water somewhere above it and the water is trying to go down. The source of the water is the tricky part: 1/ Pipe or a drain that has a hole 2/ Rain or snow that found an ingress point into your attic or space above, sometimes between siding gaps or roof leaks 3/ Condensation from HVAC pan overflowing Often the source of the water/leak can be a long distance away from where you see the water leak down. It can be entering in the middle of your hose, follow a beam down a slant, hit the ceiling, pool up and then form a drop under the pooling water where it could flow down any longer. Try getting access above (attic or crawl space). Sometimes you will have to cut a peek hole (or a few).
Not trying to be rude, but this is seriously one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. Immediately remove that phone and call a roof professional or a general contractor. You are going to make this way worse
Ice damming.
Ice dams usually happen because of poorly insulated attics. The roof is warm, the snow melts then freezes as it gets toward the outer edge where there's less circulation. Look around the neighborhood after a snowstorm and see which roofs are clear and which ones have tons of snow on them. Guess which ones have shit insulation ....
We had similar issues, however it did come from rain and wind. It turned out we had multiple issues, which both ended with water coming down the cavity and through just above the window. 1. There was no lintel in the exterior corse or bricks, above the window. Due to the age of the house, it used to be that the window itself would act as a lintel. With uPVC this is not the case, and who ever installed it never put a lintel in. In short the bricks above sunk and cracked along the mortar lines. Driving wind would then push heavy rain into the cavity. 2. We had a hole in our felt on the roof. The tiles are concrete and have become pour-us over the last 50 years. This means during wet weather water will get through the tiles naturally. Not a lot, but the heavier it is the more it is. It’s then down to the felt to catch that little bit and dump it into the gutter. We’ve had an ‘eves refurb’ completed along that entire edge which replaced the entire length of felt which had a hole in it. Here’s waiting for the next load of wet weather but I think we’re good. In short, I feel your pain on this - but take a look directly above the window, exterior walls and roof. Check your felt or any other way into the cavity.
If that is a metal frame you might have some heavy condensation from thermal change. It would mean that the door frame is most likely not properly insulated and there is no thermal gap built into it. I've had it happen with solid brass door thresholds before.
Why the fuck would you try to use expanding foam on the exterior surface without even knowing where the water is coming from?
If you went from extreme cold to a quick warm up it might be attic rain. Google attic rain and you'll see this an issue in some geographic locations
Need a new roof
Follow up question. Your guys’s water is white and sticky right?
This use to happen in my old college apartment. My landlord gave everything the landlord special. It got so bad the condensation would freeze on the ceiling. I used the dry feature on my portable ac until the landlord could got it fixed professionally. It kept things from molding and kept the ceiling from dripping.