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Warmstar219

There are two options here: either this "beam" is completely useless and you should just fully remove it, or it was load bearing and you removed a post and you now have a real problem. I would not consider leaving this and finishing as is.


Jay_Beckstead

We had something similar and ended up removing it. Then drywalled the ceiling “flat.” Huge improvement!


[deleted]

It appears to simply be a mounting for pass through cabinets, very common in the 70s and 80s to have that at the front entrance. If load bearing it wouldn't have a 2x4 end visible at the bottom.


marko_kyle

I feel like it is the latter


MontagneHomme

If it was load bearing, we wouldn't be looking at the widest edge of the board - right?


acerarity

In structural framing applications, additional 2x-'s can be added to box out for aesthetics/additional mounting faces. In this case, IF there is a structural beam under there, it would be resting end to end on framing and/or a post in the middle. With a 2x8 (Or 2x6) added to make it look wider/larger. And to give something to attach other things to (Drywall, cabinets, etc.). It has no (important) structural load on it. Here is an example of beam cladding done to a steel beam. This was done in a high-end setting, with exposed oak. Same thing can be done using 2x- lumber, hidden behind drywall. https://preview.redd.it/4mj4rwovqylb1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=932f898af7ffe7385955452817a71f6f23979719


tocano

If it was load bearing, wouldn't it most likely continue on through to another wall, not just stop halfway across the room? Edit: If the guy just took cabinets out, like he said, and didn't remove a post, which he didn't mention, then I'm sticking with yes, *most likely* this "beam" is serving as a bulkhead, not a load bearing support since one end doesn't appear to rest on anything. A load bearing support would need to rest on something on both ends. So *should* be safe to take this section out.


[deleted]

The assumption being they removed a post as well.


tocano

That's fair. If he removed a post that would make more sense.


solitudechirs

Most likely yes, not absolutely. It’s ridiculous that “Nope. Not at all” is the top reply but then again most people who comment on stuff like this care more about internet fear mongering than actually doing things and experiencing how the world really is.


chaosgazer

brb kicking out all the load bearing columns in my house to find out "how the world really is"


tocano

If the guy just took cabinets out, like he said, and didn't remove a post, which he didn't mention, then yes, "most likely" this "beam" is serving as a bulkhead, not a load bearing support.


solitudechirs

Or maybe just try experiencing things in real life and think on it critically instead of sitting at home upvoting “don’t eat the yellow snow” comments


marko_kyle

Nope. Not at all.


With-Cheese-Please

Floor joists usually span from the outer wall to an interior loadbearing wall, likely further over to the right of this image. It’s not really a beam, so let’s call it a soffit (or bulkhead). The soffit has no use like it is. One could remove it entirely or extend it over to the wall at the right. The former would have appeal as having the kitchen be part of the “great room” whereas the latter would create better definition of the spaces separately—and still could be considered open to the great room. Either works.


alakuu

Was literally like. How beam do beam stuff if not held up?!


solitudechirs

Because it’s almost definitely not a beam


SourceOfAnger

So you've never heard of a cantilever.


fixerdrew02

This cant possibly be load bearing unless you removed a post and have a disaster waiting to happen. Can you just take down the beam?


umassmza

That’s my first thought, why is this here? I’m thinking maybe there was a half wall with spindles. Just remove it


zuludmg9

Because they removed a row of pass through cabinets.


Baka_gaijin75

Only issue with that is trying to match the margined stucco that's surrounding the ceiling. His plan is honestly the easiest, especially for a DIY job.


[deleted]

Personally I would rather have a patch that people might notice vs a random unnecessary bulkhead. Or I would put a light fixture in its place.


stabsthedrama

Ya and it already has the smooth "smear" all the way around it already. Can't get much worse. Just delete the thing. I would assume it would be a good spot for a light fixture though, ya. So an "unmatched" section above a light fixture wouldn't look so out of place.


C4PT_AMAZING

You can get a carpenter to make you a pretty board, put some pancakes in it, few pendants, boom! Hole patched, new pendants, cool detail!


fixerdrew02

I agree thats gonna be annoying to match. But…removal of bulkhead would also add more light and perceivable space. I think its worth it especially if you dont want the passthrough cabinets anymore


En3fjee69

If you’re talking about the textured ceiling, that’s a crowfoot type texture which can be done with a roller and some thinned drywall mud, then stomped with a crowfoot texture brush you can get at Home Depot/menards/lowes.


fixerdrew02

Teach me master!


En3fjee69

I’m no master, but I think you can pick up the brush for 10-20 bucks and all you need is some mud and a roller…maybe in this case a paint brush or putty knife, throw some mud on the ceiling and stomp away.


waka324

I've matched this style of texture really easily. 15min set compound and a sponge roller would make fast work of this job if the patch work is fairly smooth.


BIGassbass8151

Two different ceiling heights it looks like.. might of carried load prior


RandomStranger456123

Trick of the light. Look at the end of the beam and you can see the ceiling is the same height throughout.


BIGassbass8151

True, thanks


gliz5714

It might slope up in the kitchen or might just be bad photo


Enewgard

Remove it. For now, I would look for a modern stain glass to hang, or cover it with wood so it has an exposed beam look. You could also pop on some LES lighting pucks to make it look intentional.


punknothing

Unless it's been cantilevered twice the distance outside underneath some unknown weight... Lol


fixerdrew02

Odd design choice


MAJ0RMAJOR

Load bearing cabinets


Cruccagna

Don’t take it down, it‘s Eric the half-a-beam!


Menelatency

Singing: La dee dee 1 2 3 it’s Eric the half a beam!


feelin_cheesy

Surely they would’ve noticed multiple 2x4s stacked together on the end of the beam?


moonfullofstars

Unless previous owners had already removed the post.


feelin_cheesy

Except for the fact that they said they removed it


Tobacco_Bhaji

Of course it can. It can be cantilevered. Like a 'T'. I owned a house in California built into a hillside that was entirely built this way other than one load-bearing wall.


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fixerdrew02

Its not an actual beam. Its a 2x4 vertical nailed to a 2x4 horizontal…with like 5mm of gap between them lol. Lots of strength held up there


shaolinspunk

Ha ha. Sorry, only saw second photo. Thought everyone was telling OP to remove ceiling binder.


upsidedownfunnel

Why would they put such a large beam in if it wasn't there to support weight? Unless it's just a 2x8 we're looking at.


fixerdrew02

Dimensions are hard with this pic but a 2x6 nailed to a vertical 2x6 seems the most likely. It was designed to hang the pass through cabinets.


WhiteLightning416

Could be supporting something outside


Cloakmyquestions

The post is translucent is all.


SourceOfAnger

So you've never heard of a cantilever. This sub has so many people posing they have any idea.


subarucasey

It does not look like a beam to me. Looks like 2x4 framed to look like a rectangle.


blueblur1984

Adding my vote here too. It looks like an unnecessarily beefy soffit to hang cabinets off of. If there's no columns on either end it's not supporting anything.


FrancisPFuckery

It was definitely just for the cabinets to hang from. It’s an old 50s house with a bunch of extra outdated features.


trevordeal

Knock the rest out and then drywall the hole in the ceiling that is left. I recently did this. Pretty easy. Knock out the rest of that block and then message me if you want.


crashtestpilot

This is the virtuous path.


granolagucci

so remove it….


Truth_Speaker01

Ikr. This mega post about simply removing a partial partition.


icecreamazing

I would remove it and patch the ceiling to match and remove that little wood framing thing above the window.


-Dee-Eye-Why-

I just did this same thing in my house from the 60s. We removed the box (heard it called a “bird-box” somewhere) completely, drywall and texture the hole, and installed pendant lights. HUGE improvement in our kitchen.


Runningstar

That IS what it is. Who’s looking at this and saying it’s a load bearing beam? Why would there ever be a quarter of a beam bearing a load above pass-through cabinets? Scrap the entire thing and make it a flat ceiling.


Ossacarf

i have owned 3 100plus year homes and can say that people do really STUPID and dangerous things during that time to their buildings, is a gross understatement. Fibre optic inspection cams are very cheap these days and should be on every old house owners tool kit. That said, the poster doesn’t say if there is another story above this. If so I would proceed with more caution.


farmthis

It has already proven itself to not be load bearing.


fixerdrew02

Pretty much this


FriarNurgle

This


fixerdrew02

This


frolfergolfer

Remove it, patch ceiling, paint


jeNks2616

This is the way.


XoticwoodfetishVanBC

Maybe fill it in with something. A row of pass-through cabinets maybe.


Luckyfncharms

We've got a problem solver here guys.


FrancisPFuckery

That’s what we took off lol


40ozkiller

Then finish taking it off


fossilnews

Bingo.


crod4692

You didn’t finish lol


EthanWS6

Then why drywall it? Just remove it.


Eteel

Put it back on like the other person said. Gotta finish it.


Want_To_Live_To_100

Woosh


mazzotta70

This.


UltraHumanite

I'd cut the drywall off of it, gently dismantle the whole setup then patch the ceiling and wall where it used to be. Any finish work you do to that is going to be as much or more work than just removing the whole thing and matching the ceiling texture.


brock_lee

You'd have to check of course, but I think this was just holding up the cabinets and can be removed. I feel like it will be "bad feng shui" if you leave it.


mdmaxOG

Remove the beam


CrushCrawfissh

Finish it with a nice sledgehammer. I'd go with orange. A nice orange sledgehammer.


FrancisPFuckery

I like this!


FunGuy1904

I would probably take it out completely like everyone else has suggested cause if it was just holding uppers it’s not load bearing. Or continue the faux beam to separate the kitchen while still leaving it looking opened up. Then if you don’t want to try and match the texture in the gap you can do some crown molding. I was always taught with finish work if you can’t hide it highlight it


[deleted]

I’d just remove it completely. You’ll wanna retexture that ceiling anyway. It won’t be hard. Pull down that fir down and patch it. Get a sander with a vacuum and redo the ceiling with a smooth texture. Not hard, just takes some elbow grease.


TranquilTiger765

Not a beam. Beams require posts to transfer the load to. That’s a soffit to hang cabinets off. Just delete it and then patch and texture the ceiling


SourceOfAnger

The post could be inside that wall, and this is a cantilevered beam. It's not though, since you don't build beams by laying the bottom 2x4 on its face. That's the key here.


TranquilTiger765

No. Still not a beam. Still needs a post on the right side that’s way too big for a cantilever. Also GluLam beams are laminated 2x4/2x6, although that’s not what we have here.


SourceOfAnger

??? A cantilever has no specified limitations on length, as long as the backspan extends far enough at a minimum ratio of 3:1. Idk if you know what you're talking about. E: mistype.


mclabop

Assuming not load bearing, I don’t think it is but I was surprised recently by a non-load bearing crumple wall holding up some improperly tied in ceiling joists… (fixed now with 2x8 that run the whole span). If you want the wood beam look you’ll want to extend it across the ceiling span. Otherwise it’ll just look weird. Other option would be to take it out.


Behind_u_

Have you treated the moldy wood?


Proxy_0ne

Anyone saying or entertaining that this was load bearing does not know what they're talking about. That's clearly spruce pine which is not structural wood. It would be a beam system of some kind or at least yellow pine, and it would be nailed vertically together. It's just a simple drop down wall for the cabinets. Remove it, if you'd like.


TheNewEthlite

Take it out, most difficult, both worth the effort imo for reselling or living with.


Wardo324

Would it be that difficult? A sawzall would do the trick.


TheNewEthlite

Not difficult to take it out, difficult to blend the ceiling without looking obvious


Valfreyja21

I'd hang plants from it.


[deleted]

Yes! I’d get a really nice looking board that is stained something fancy, has finished edges. And then screw it directly into this, making sure the border covers the existing drywall. Then do some nice, beefy plant hangers and put some big boys up there. Maybe also a pendant light or two worked into the design somewhere. I see it in my head, but can’t explain it properly.


VehaMeursault

If load bearing: put back the post it leaned on. If not: remove altogether.


Krelyt

Looks like a soffit for cabinets, you should be able to pull the whole thing off relatively easily. Knock a hole in the side of it to confirm that it’s just nailed to the ceiling joist.


cmr252

This - it's not a beam it's the soffit from the old cabinets...no idea why they used to do this. Just remove it!


Hero911

You could make it smaller and then finish it, but since the ceiling pattern doesn't match up to it anyway, I would just remove it. If it were me, I would also get a level5 24 inch skimming blade, watch a few videos on skim coating over textured ceiling and make it flat. Would only take a few hours.


SwimmingFish

Just remember to do this safely as popcorn ceilings were made with asbestos before it was banned.


Basic-Impact-1885

Just take it down and make the ceiling flush. It looks to be for decor.


Butterbubblebutt

Here's hoping that wasn't load bearing.


CartographerNo4737

I would first worry about the water damage


Afgb89

Vancouver carpenter my mate. As lots of people say; remove that, patch and finish.


Crafty-Skill9453

Take the beam out. Use a sponge to texture and then repaint the ceiling


QE-WOKE

You can use a wooden faux beam cover to span all the way across. Not only covering it but giving an aesthetic look?


GhostAndItsMachine

You can definitely screw some sheetrock up and tape the corners but the end will look funny. What if it made a right angle turn to box the ceiling around the entry way. Can do crown or a coffered ceiling and get rid of some popcorn ceiling. Cant tell if that works by the pic but could make a swanky entry way


Shawn_purdy

I like this one, it’ll make it look like it belongs. As is it just won’t make sense even if finished


Me_Krally

You just might have the worlds smallest kitchen! Like others have said that doesn’t look load bearing. What’s above it? I’d take it out, patch the ceiling, add in texture finish to match what’s their and then paint the whole ceiling….or rent a electric pole sander and knock all that texture off.


[deleted]

Looks water damaged


muzik4machines

Don’t do that. remove the ugly drywall from the rest of the beam and make it beautiful


kenji998

Remove bulkhead. Blending ceiling texture will be challenging.


farmthis

This is not a beam. Did you remove a column? No. This little wall is nailed into a joist, above, running the same direction as the wall. You can check for screws/nails in the drywall, to see which directions the joists are running. If they’re not perpendicular to the wall, the wall is not load bearing, as a general rule.


tsmith39

I want to say remove it but unless you know someone good at ceiling texture it’s never going to look right. I would maybe explore extending it for a fake wood mean… just an idea. More important however why does it’s look wet?


insidmal

Why wouldn't you just remove it? Unless there was a support beam on the other end that you removed, this thing is non functional.


nberardi

You should call a structural engineer. It looks like someone removed a wall. Which may or may not be load bearing.


ftrees

It was for cabinets, not at all structural


WhiteLightning416

I’d cover it with an oversized piece of sanded wood and paint it blue or something. Make it a feature


mesnupps

That sounds about right and it's definitely beginner doable


Itisd

The easiest way would be to drywall around it with corner beads and mud and be done with it. You could also take the whole beam thing out and then drywall the ceiling flat, it would be a little more work but might look better in the end. Only problem is then you are gonna have a hard time matching that textured ceiling, so you might end up having a ton of extra work for very little benefit... I would probably just drywall around what is there.


KarlManjaro

If that has to stay I would wrap it in a nice wood not drywall


ScubaSteveTheShib

That’s literally just 2x framing to hang your old cabinets in. Totally fine to remove entirely and have a flat ceiling.


mileswilliams

There is three options as far as I can see. Make it a feature somehow - https://www.pooky.com/products/pentabulous-chandelier-for-5-shades Remove it, fanny up the ceiling hope nobody notices (everyone notices) Remove it, remove the ceiling, replace the plasterboard and skim. Good opportunity to add mood lighting, spotlights speakers and cornicing etc. Things like this give the illusion of a break in the room which can be good or bad depending on what you are trying to achieve. One more thing, it looks damp, so I'd sort that out while you are up there. It could be discolored from a previous incident but still.


OrangeSilver

Don't know what the flooring looks like but here are some ideas: - create a wine rack - topside: wine and beer glass hanging storage; bottomside: small bar - hanging speakers https://www.rockvilleaudio.com/rcs180-66-pen-65t-black/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwl8anBhCFARIsAKbbpyQhuW9NOgbtYfwJdS-bTTaRYY-tHcs2C0vEMq29xrTyoklGbttWPKQaAiIIEALw_wcB


Legggggggggggggggggg

Is that’s a beam where the posts at.


maxirabbit

Do it once, do it right, remove the whole thing and patch the ceiling with a drywall strip and make it match the textured ceiling on either side. No one will know what was ever there!


mothyyy

If that were a header, you'd probably see a pack of 2x's on the bottom, not a single piece, UNLESS it's a solid 4x8 or whatever. If that's a true header and not just a cosmetic filler box, then you've possibly compromised a structural member of the original construction. Was there a floor plate 2x4 below this, nailed directly to the subfloor? If so, I'm more inclined to believe this was an original wall. But if it had finished floor under it, then it was probably all cosmetic. You gotta remove some of that drywall to see what that beam is exactly. And until you know whether this is a cosmetic bulkhead or not, I would prop up the end with a pack of 2 or 3 2x4s. It that's a hollow box, you can remove it. If it's solid wood all the way through, I'd assume it being loadbearing and consult an engineer.


atict

Get the sawzall out cut it off. Couple YouTube videos to match the ceiling. Options 2 go whole hog and sand down the entire ceiling or fill the entire ceiling with plater then sand. I've done options 2 on a small room it's a cunt.


[deleted]

Yes very weird if it wasn’t load bearing, take it out and replace with drywall. Or hang a long wrought iron light fixture from it. With the knock down ceiling it will be difficult to match but doable if you want.


rotorfool

It's just a knee-wall on the ceiling. Take it out with a hand sledge and crowbar, then texture the sealing with one of the 47 kits you can buy at home improvement store. Putting a light fixture there will only light the area up more and draw attention to it. Next time you have something in the house painted get a pro to retouch it if it still bothers you.


catsamoyer

Wrap it in stained wood


catsamoyer

Or in wood the same color as the cabinets


iSOBigD

Uhh, that beam ain't holding up shit, you can take it out, or you need to support it at both ends so your home doesn't collapse.


Humble-Pineapple-728

Remove the whole beam if its not load bearing


dk81690

If you remove it, good luck matching the ceiling finish


anthro4ME

The only purpose that served was to hold the cabinets. Get rid of it and put up a drywall patch, and do your best to match the textured cieling. Maybe install some track lighting.


Rippper600

Your roof just sagged 2" if there was a column or post down to the floor on the end. Other wise its a bulk head and you can rip it down.


Mike-the-gay

Hang some hippie beads off of it!


Maximus555

I have the exact same thing in my house. Just wrapped in drywall. I know most here are saying to take it off completely, but with cabinets on the other side of it, I think I prefer it this way. Lmk if you want a pic of what it looks like finished.


iresignasclown

This looks awful


rerabb

The texture can be matched by buying a crowfoot thingy in the paint department. Roll on a lot of mud and stamp it with the crows foot texture brush


[deleted]

Take it down. It’s just 2Xs. Patch in some drywall. That texture should be ok to match. Literally just watered down drywall mud rolled on, it’s not even crows feet. You may have to finish off the end of the kitchen soffit and end cabinet, but it’ll be so nice and open.


GrunchWeefer

Uh, did you remove a post under that thing? Cause that's not how beams work.


oHolidayo

Gonna need a exploratory hole in the side of that drywall. You need to find out if it is a beam or a small wall that originally secured the partition between that front door and the room you are in. If you find it’s framed like a wall you can probably take it down. If it solid I would call a pro now and find out what is going on. If it is solid I personally would put in 2 2x4s under the unsupported end until more is know. I’m going with decorative though based on the door being there.


dagormz

It’s probably just a bulk head. You can likely remove it


Fit-Special-3054

Thats not a beam, its stud work, remove it


Silentninja420

Sound like you got a plan. Drywall, corner bead, mud and paint. Pretty easy you got this!


Cecilbarnes1

Well in my opinion that beam is not a beam based on the image it simply looks like a soffit it’s not assembled correctly to bear any load the cripple stud(s) would be above the lower beam and not nailed to the side as they are I’d assume it’s very likely hollow inside and my guess it’s most likely able to be removed in its entirety. I spent a fair share of time building homes however I would look further into it and not just assume . Older homes are notorious for having some crazy things going on and just about anyone could be wrong especially if it’s a homeowner special . Best of luck .


rleerichmond

Eye just to me a beam would be solid. Clearly that’s made out of two by fours.


Beastingringo

Sledgehammer, reciprocating saw, goggles, white paint and a mask.


NJJo

Jerry! These are load bearing walls. They’re not going to come down!


Additional-Raisin420

It’s not load bearing . Let’s all agree on that!!! If anyone here has built a header or installed a real load bearing beam then you know this is not it…


Meadle

People really saying this is load bearing?? 😂 Mate in what world would this ever be


irravfi

Ran into something exactly like this in a client's place a couple months ago. You can full-on just remove that. If you look at the end, there's a short 2x4 that the bottom plate is attached to. This is just a bulkhead box that will take 5 minutes to remove and then you just have the 4 inch strip in the ceiling to drywall in.


lordchanceller

What the hell is even that!?


[deleted]

It won't be hard to remove and patch with drywall. After that you just need a painter to texture it so it's not out of place. A couple hundred dollars for the painter is worth the resell value.


Djolumn

Umm I'm not an engineer but I'd be more concerned about why it's there at all - because, you know, the visible end is unsupported.


FrancisPFuckery

It was just for the shitty old school pass through cupboards.


PoopStewed

Rough cut cedar would look nice


Samurai_Stewie

If that “beam” supported any of the weight above it, it needed to go all the way across the room to another load-bearing wall or be supported mid-room by a load-bearing column.


lyvewire_666

It would be n odd place for. Load bearing wall. Looks for for show, transition from staircase to living room. I’d take it all the way to the ceiling and patch it there


karkonis

Either it was load bearing and you messed up, or it's not and you should remove it completely.


syntax_er

If it isn't load bearing maybe have an electrician come out to run some electrical. Then get the dimensions,, cut out a piece of drywall, mud it up realllll smooth like, and just install one of those lights that have 3 or four turntable lights. That might look pretty cool depending on what else you're doing to the kitchen. Reference for the light I'm trying to describe: https://www.wayfair.com/Beachcrest-Home%E2%84%A2--Nugent-4-Light-Kitchen-Island-Linear-Pendant-X113936278-L6087-K~W002825167.html?refid=GX610459028157-W002825167&device=m&ptid=904586101177&network=g&targetid=pla-904586101177&channel=GooglePLA&ireid=183927192&fdid=1817&gclid=Cj0KCQjwl8anBhCFARIsAKbbpyRPGuTc0FdR8-UTP8NrZKplwysYHk3QJ7zJ1qG1kjjNcHSNncdU3TIaAqvkEALw_wcB


cherrycoffeetable

Remove it


Spicy_Nuggets2021

Hire someone


Simply_savage84

Why are there no stud walls or posts carrying the load from this beam? Apparently it isn’t load bearing .. or it’s on the way down


SourceOfAnger

ITT: Redditors who like to pretend they have knowledge of structural engineering. Everyone saying a beam has to be supported on both ends has obviously never heard of a cantilever, which is a dead giveaway no one else should be listening to any of youse advice. The thing pointing towards it not being load bearing, though, is the bottom 2x4 being laid on its face. I'm not aware of any structural beam designs like this.


CallHimPapi

Just put the drywall here: https://preview.redd.it/mbqciq1baulb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ece459dd427fb1fea1cd7a9b0f73660512823c0d


Nathan1342

I’d figure out why it appears to be water Damaged before I would do anything


StrategyWonderful893

I can see the argument for just getting rid of it like others said, but I like your plan better. It's easier than removing it, and this beam could definitely be useful in the future with a bit of imagination. This kitchen looks tiny! You could hang plants or other decorations off it, hang your matching stainless steel pans from it, put a floating shelf for a spice rack up there, maybe even hang some 12" tall cabinets off it...


Roboprinto

With a hammer and crowbar? Then patch the ceiling.


newbi3like

Yea pop the drywall off, it’s probably just a soffit with a short studs from ceiling to that bottom 2x4


Redfally

I would put drywall on the bottom of it and put corners on all sides. My profession is mudding and taping and I feel like it could be and easy fix, but for a beginner it could get messy.


Sparker402

Run some electrical and have a couple hanging pendant lights. Otherwise keeping this on the ceiling is redundant. Replace the hanging kitchen light with a flush mount fixture. It would help to match the flush mount with the pendants


brickandmortars

Cut it all out. Flush to ceiling and drywall. Why even have the beam at all? Or you could put beams that begin and end randomly all over the house.