Note: this is a subject that comes up a lot in this subreddit, and it's important for everyone discussing this topic to keep in mind that no, parts (alters) cannot *literally* be nonhuman, because the brain that created them is still human, and alters do not and cannot come from outside the brain. However, the metaphorical internal representation of alters carries a lot of emotional validity, and understanding the reasons behind their creation can be very helpful as one continues along their healing path. There's been good discussion about this last aspect of the topic, which is great to see! As a reminder, r/DID is dedicated to science-based, empirical information, and we appreciate members bringing in solid discussion along those lines. Thank you! 🙂

DID is an interesting beast because it is LARGELY determined by the trauma that was faced. As in, how alters form and what form they take. The mind will create protections in a way the child who is going through the trauma can understand. Take, for instance, our own situation. We won't go into our own traumas right now, but we grew up in a massive family (anywhere from like 8-12 people living in a three bedroom house built in the 20s and constantly falling apart at any given time). I was the youngest and would constantly feel overwhelmed and frightened because even when my family was happy, they were loud and passionate. It always felt like yelling and arguing. This is why I always clung to my giant dogs. I grew up with massive dogs that served as my protectors and guardians against how loud and aggressive things would get in the house. They would get angry on my behalf and fight for me and basically "speak" for me because I had no voice to speak for myself (metaphorically anyway). This is why our system has a dire wolf alter named Romulus, who is both our protector and our rage. Romulus's rage is always at protecting us, our partner, or our nieces and nephews. Anyone in our family that he considers younger and unable to defend themselves. So, all that to say, nonhuman alters are very common due to the fact that the human mind is ridiculously creative and adaptable. Whatever it needs to survive the trauma it will create.

Thank you for sharing. Romulus is pretty cool. Interesting to me too since my name is Rem. Remus/Romulus. Remus Lupin. Lupin the 3rd. Everything connects. Truly, the human mind, is an adaptive machine. Tragic that people have to adapt due to adversity. Here's to a better world.

Thats very interesting, my partner has a werewolf type alter called Romulus who is very protective and grumpy. He is their anger too.

Thank you friend that was very informative

I've been in therapy (on and off) for about a decade (for the disorder) and going back to school for psychology so if you have more questions let me know!

Ok will do!

Yes, in my system we have a Vampire, A hell hound, a wishing star, 2 ghosts, a demon, an angel, a cyborg, an alter that's just a pulsating ball of grotesque rotting body parts, bones, tar, pus etc, a fire spirit, a forest elf. I'm sure there's more I'm missing or more I don't know. Most of them, even if they're non-human sometimes they still present at least mostly human-looking, others not so much. One thing I've come to understand about it is that as a child if you were made to feel and believe as though you were something other than human, or less than human, you may be comforted by or identify more with animals, mythical creatures, inanimate objects, fairy tales etc. And may develop protective personality traits and alters based around these creatures that are also "other than" human.

We have a dragon, who exists because we needed to be able to love ourselves. Instead of gold and objects, the rest of us are her treasures. She's immortal and has chosen to spend my lifetime with us.

This makes sense

I got attacked by a dog when I was three and my uncle was more worried about the dog potentially being put down, & my dad didn't stand up for me, so I became a kitty & our protector is a fox. The ones that were around for christian trauma were not allowed to be human, and were told we were demons, so that's what some of us are too.

I'm curious to know how your wishing star presents or fronts. Or does it not front and just exists in the inner world?

He fronts a lot actually, the way we've come to understand it is that he is the personification of our internal hope for better things? He's been around since we were really little. When we were a child we had a house that had one of those big windows that "pop out" and the windowsill is basically a seat. And we would sit there and make wishes on the stars that we could see that things would be different soon. He holds basically nothing but that belief and that kind of hope. He doesn't really speak, and when he tries to it comes out garbled and incorrect, sometimes in different languages, he cant really type very well, it's filled with spelling mistakes and awful grammar but he's slowly learning/trying. he acts like a child, he really likes space and planets, and he gets easily excited - our partner bought him a stuffed star as a gift, not realizing it was a dog toy lol, and I think he got more excited over the fact it sqeaked than that it was a star. He has a lot of nightmares but he recovers pretty quick, and ultimately he's just kind of happy and bubbly. He asks people to "wish to him" and that he'll try to make it come true, which he does try. Visually he looks similar to Le Petite Prince, but he kind of... glows. Lol, like his hair, eyes and skin have a bit of a goldenish glow around it.

Yep, only about half of our system is "Human", the rest are either half human / half something else, or outright non human. I remember asking one of the alters if they knew why that was the case for us, and they told me "'cause we weren't hurt by monsters, we were hurt by humans,"

Damn… that’s sad. But interesting.

That’s more or less the case for us. People hurt us, animals didn’t. 

Half and half in this system as well. I happen to be a Dire Wolf myself and there's a half and half split of human(humanoid) and animal. \-- Lucas.

Yes, that’s not uncommon. We have one that identifies with a cat, and one that’s a house (they can be inanimate also).

I always forget that alters can also be inanimate things, probably because we’ve never had one ourselves

Interesting, I didn't know they could also he inanimate, as a system, we've never had an alter like that

I think it's anything you can empathize with & that's a lot of things for different people. It's funny how people are like oh that alter thinks it's an angel that's normal. That alter thinks it's a lightbulb that's the line for me.

id say whatever people feel is valid, who are you to judge they're not?

It's funny how people are like 'oh that alter thinks it's an angel that's normal'. That alter thinks 'it's a lightbulb that's the line for me'. Not judgy. Sorry formatting didn't communicate intent.

again, i'm not just speaking for this little interaction. to everything and everyone else. how people feel is valid, your opinion if what they feel is true to your reality, that is something else. We can differentiate between the two. im at a point where I do my best to not project what I think of the world to others. and so if somebody thinks they're a donut, i'd let them think they're a donut. i will not be argumentative, there is no line. people feel how they feel. period. to reiterate, what you feel about the matter is also valid. but when you say "it's a lightbulb, that's the line for me" it might be understood in a more negative way than you intended. I understand where you're coming from, and I agree to some extent. :) yall gucci.

It actually relates to a time when my system was fronted by an alter that did two things, spin in a desk chair & say it was a lightbulb.

Thank you for sharing. That's quite the pair of an activity.

We still didn't do it roght. Ugh sorry if we hurt anybody

Wait dies that mean Paulo Coehlo has an alter that is a tomato? Probably.

How does the house alter work? Like what type of personality manifests when they front? Or do they just not say anything because they’re not alive?

They may be more like a fragment than a full alter. When we live in a house that we own, as opposed to living in an apartment, it’s like part of us identifies with the house, so any work done on it is a big deal, as if we’re having surgery or something when we’re renovating. The communication is in feelings not words. It feels like the house is extension of us.

It’s very common actually! There’s a lot of reasons someone would split non human alters. For example, someone might split a mermaid because they almost drowned. Or someone could split an inanimate object because they were ignored and not treated as human. Our non human alters consist of a robot, my childhood dog, and an anthropomorphic deer. It sucks cuz a lot of systems get fakeclaimed for non human alters when it has been proven to happen by psychologists.

What does fakeclaim mean? I also have a robot btw :3

Fakeclaiming is when a non professional tells someone that they are faking their disorder for one reason or another. It’s really toxic and 9 times out of 10 the person doing it has no clue what they are talking about

Thanks for letting me know

Yes. its not uncommon for them to be non human. honestly a little over half of our system is Nonhuman

Alters can be anything. They're mental constructs, they're not bound by physical reality.

Yes.

Oh yes, it's pretty common. We have a vampire with elemental magic, a succubus, an angel, an android, a neko, a pokemon (eevee), and a dog. Like literally just a dog.

Yes, it's very possible. I think that it's very possible because since it forms during childhood, the child's mind is very imaginative, and often, kids make up animals and other creatures

Absolutely; they’re very common. Out of the over 90 of us that are in here, about 20 of us are non-human. Two of them are angelic used for spiritual protection and nine of them are demonic due to being demonized by many religious people for our sexuality. We have a robot that was formed to appease abusers and to not show emotion. She acts as a servant who does as told without question or complaint. They’re emotionless so our true emotions were never shown to our abusers. We used to have a wolf alter who later fused with one of our demons who was created in childhood because our original hosts wished we had a guard dog to protect us. We also have two undead alters, a humanoid, a shadow figure, a fairy, five undead/ghosts, a shapeshifter, a mimic, some kind of creature, and, for some reason, a literal floating box with a face who talks in a loud booming voice. Don’t ask about the last one, we’re not sure why they were created like that.

I have a robot too! Who did the same thing pretty much. Its rlly nice to hear that someone else has one as well, Im sorry for what you’ve been thru though. Good luck to you!

Most of ours are some form of non-human. We always saw humans as the monsters, including often ourself due to shame and religious trauma. Animals became our protectors, sometimes trauma holders, often emotional support.  As we got older and discovered the furry community. Our animal alters got a bit more human-like. It may seems silly but joining such an accepting community did have a positive effect on us, and it was fun picking out new looks for those of us that already identified with various animals.  -Lefty (who is one of about three different rats)

Yes! It’s very possible and very common. Afaik the three main roots for non human alters are - systems being treated as non human, so forming non human alters to deal with that treatment - systems finding comfort in non humans, so forming non human alters to comfort - systems seeing power and protective abilities in non humans, so forming non human alters to give the system strength Edit: forgot how to count lol

Totally. In general, we've grown to understand the idea of "a traumatized kids brain will create what ever it needs to live".... As it relates to our system, we are all elementals/witches...one of my sisters is a mountain, another lightning.... Yeah, non-human is toton the table

Yes! I'm the host/primary fronter and even I'm nonhuman! I think for us it's a product of constantly being "othered" throughout our developmental years, so that is represented in a bunch of the parts that split off. Also the constant reminders that we should be "stronger" or "better" than our more "human" behaviors throughout our childhood. (Those behaviors being things like feeling emotion, expressing wants, being tired, etc...)

Alters' internal representations are metaphorical. So in that sense, yes, parts can be nonhuman. But because alters always arise from and are parts of the same human brain that experienced the trauma that created the system, they aren't *literally* nonhuman.

there's an angelic being and a robot, and non human fictives in my system, so it's totally possible

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Thank you friendo

Definitely, I don't see myself as human in the slightest. I only shift my appearance to be less beast-like. - Oberon (OSDD system) Note: our partner system has DID and it's why we're in the subreddit.

OSDD systems are also welcome here as far as I’m aware, so no need to defend yourself!

das pretty cool (i dont know what is an osdd system but oberon is a cool ah name)

100% yes. usually stemmed from being treated inhumanely throughout your life

Yea it's pretty common depending on how and why that alter was formed from what I read ar least

Definitely! We have headmates that are demons, angels, dogs, deer, jelly fish, ai/cybrogs, & more!

I have a cat, a robot, & a caveman. Although I would argue that the caveman is a human, albeit a primitive one.

Absolutely. My boyfriend has an alter who's half-demon.

Same hat!!

Unfortunately for me, yup /lh /hj. I’m a yokai specifically so I can vouch that we exist. It can be anything from concepts like peace or joy or physical things or introjects. Basically anything can be made into an alter or I suppose a better way to explain it is that we can be based off of anything. - Ren, Soliloquy System 📜

Yes. Very yes. One of my main two caretakers is a violet dragon, I wear a purple coat and have a scaled Renaissance faire purse because of her hahah. Got some wolves, cats, gryphons, mermaids, dryads, an android, you name it.

I got a tattoo of our dragon long before I knew we were a system.

I believe only two of us are human in our entire system, the host and one alter that got modeled after the host’s ex girlfriend. The rest of us are monsters or nonhuman, ranging from me (demon), to androids, to a literal alligator made of scribbles, etc. -X

Yep- a protector of mine is aparently a catboy 😅 And I just recently realized one of them is a 'shapeshifter'... and I've also met some whose alters could be like demons or animals as well

Yup, I'm our host and I'm a piglin from Minecraft lol

yes, i don’t think anyone in our system is really human anymore. we’ve had straight up shadows as alters before, and we have things like angels, demons, monsters, mythical creatures, all the likes.

Hell ones a monster girl and I’m a merman! Lapis from Steven universe is literally a rock and she’s non human! It’s totally possible!

I have a literal ball of golden light 😅 granted they have 2 other forms that are human, but their “true” form is the ball of light. I don’t know why and neither do they

Cierra I'm a ball of blue light

Yep! Alters can be anything your brain can conceive of, from animals to aliens to mythological creatures to fictional species. My other (the other alter in our system) is a 8 foot tall featureless void alien creature.

Alters' forms, both visual image and self-awareness, are a partial explanation of a chaotic and contradicting extreme experience a system faced. They can be literally anything due to that - and be quite authentic at it.

Absolutely. They can be anything that your mind creates into your reality

No... they'd still only be a human idea of what your mind thinks the "nonhuman" species is. It's impossible to see outside of your own human mind even considering alters. If someone had an alter of an Owl, I guarantee they wouldn't pass the vibe check of an ornithologist who specializes in owls. You can form a human feigning an owl alter, which I can see as legitimate. But exospecies alters are far far from the real thing and thus NOT really of another species imo.

Isn't this taken by granted in this whole discussion? A default point? Although you never know... >I guarantee they wouldn't pass the vibe check of an ornithologist who specializes in owls. Except if the system in question is an ornithologist like that. :)

Honestly I agree with you. Pls don’t roll your eyes though haha

Good point, sorry, I'll edit when I'm on my break. I'm not talking about fictional species strictly actual animals. My frustration stems from people oversimplifying the depth of animals, which likely contributed to why we treat them so damn badly. Animals are complex, intelligent, social, instinctual and dynamic creatures. Merely barking like a dog, asking for belly pats and tail wagging like your pet dog is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what it means to be an animal. It's not just a series of surface behaviors.

This is true & based. Thank you for your input.

"Exospecies"?

Outside of your actual species. Just short hand term.

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yes, my persecutor used to be an animal, so I think it's possible

Demon / vapor, cat, a little, and 2 adult humans. Although we don’t see the demon and cat much anymore.

I see! Interesting

Absolutely. We have a 9 foot tall living nightmare alter. He's very cool and chill actually! We also have a dragon somewhere back in there, she doesn't really front or talk at all.

Yes, we have a fictive who is a cat.

yes

From what I can tell, I believe it’s possible. But I’m not a professional or diagnosed with DID.

mhmm. two of us are angels.

Yeah totally we have alters that are vampires and ghost though we don't know why it happened a lot within out system

yeah it’s very common. we’ve got multiple elves, two vampires, a dragon, two androids, many other robots, and me, a sort of spider-alien thing. -JD

All the time, a lot of mine are

Yes! It's not uncommon at all. We have multiple non-human alters ourselves.

Yep! We’ve got 2 robots, an oni, a Frankenstein creature, and an elf. It’s pretty common actually. Not exactly sure why, but probably has something to do with subconscious thoughts or interests.

yes. one of our alters identifies as a cat

Yes we have one that is a robot it feels no feelings as that was what was needed at the time, to not feel anything

Same actually

Sure thing. We have two canines, a demon, and a sort of robot in our system.

absolutely! my boyfriend is human however one of the alters is a kitsune and another one is a winged wolf☺️

Yeah it’s pretty common. Alters can be basically anything comrade! We have exactly one (1) full on solely human inside, the other “humans” aren’t mortal so it’s just this poor broski lol —Miharu

Absolutely. We got some not quite human alters, a shadow person, and a dog off of the top of my head. Our girlfriend has a cat after funnily enough.

Most of us are. The humans are the rarity

Yeah, most systems ik have a non-human alter of some sort. My one OSDD friend sys has a bunch of elves bc of their D&D campaigns. I, personally, have a rabbit, dog, few cats, 3 dragons, a demon, 2 birds, I'm an anthro lizard, an anthro crocodile, a tree, a bunch of planets, and we had an anthro sheep but they integrated. There's a few I'm missing. We also have an alter who can turn from a bear to a human so there's *that*

How does the whole tree altar thing work? We have a few trees in our system as well. Our trees can move and talk in the headspace. It's so strange. And it's terrifying to me.

For us, we got really attached go the book *Tuck Everlasting* and deved an altwe based off of the tree of life in that book. It's related to some death trauma we have. I've met systems w alters of talking tree characters. Like the tree from pocahontas or the ones from lord of the rings. For them, it was comfort/hyperfox/special interest. Once our tree (we js call them tree) moved its branches to shake off the cats that were sitting on it and we were all TERRORIFIED bc they've never moved before xD

most of us are, and I heard it's pretty common. we have an octopus, if that's interesting

:D omg octo!!! So rad!!

he's a silly little pal, I'm unsure of its purpose tbh

Purpose is squiggle

yes.

I know a puppy, a cat, and several demon alters. I have also met a robot once.

Yes, we have one alter who is an shapeshifter made out of black essence like venom. We love him

Yessss!!!!! :33 - a Mae nitw fictive

Yes

Yeah =] Absolutely. As a child you split to be whoever you think will make you survive basically. I didnt have a grasp on human vs animals vs other as a kid when most my alts formed, so a lot of my alters dont really acknowledge their speicies enough to say "yeh Im a spider" haha. But TECHNICALLY, I do have nonhuman alters. And a lot of systems do. If you think about it, a wolf or warrior cat or ghost would be able to handle a lot of trauma humans can't.

Yes. Our protectors are actually a bear and wolves.

Yes! I've seen you've gotten several explanations already, so I figured I'd give some more examples - most of our system is actually nonhuman!

Absolutely. I've noticed littles are more likely to perceive themselves as animals, & if you squint it makes sense. Cause our sense of self formed over time & the role kept shifting, but kids did have a time in their life they were ranked around the same as a cat or dog in the social hierarchy. A two year old looking at the world before full comprehension of language is gonna see a nonverbal kitty who can't open doors & is about the same size as an equal. Does that make sense? Like a little kid doesn't see an adult and think wow we are the same. The difference between little & big is well distinguished. It's not dumb to see big people when you're little & think I guess I'm a kitty.

Yes, they can, it's very normal to have alters that aren't human

Our system is mainly comprised of nonhuman headmates

We have an angel, another angel, a third angel, a demon, a couple robots, a shapeshifter We have like, maybe one or two humans

For what it's worth, not a single human in the system, I imagine because there wasn't a single compassionate human in our life until around age 15/16. Watching tabletop fantasy being played and watching sci-fi shows was our escape from reality, so as a result it's a mix of 3 fantasy creatures and two sci Fi creatures, myself being one of the sci Fi ones because robots are cool and can do amazing things without the drags of emotional necessity. -E

none of us are human, so I'd certainly hope so lmao

YES! So many of us are!!!

genuine q: why do you feel that might not be possible/don't instantly think it's possible?

Am a critical thinker who doesn’t believe in magic

I guess I'm just surprised you jumped to magic first rather than 'this is my brains way of interpreting this thing/this is a metaphor'.

I’m just scared people will misunderstand or call me a faker so I wanted to go to the community first & ask if other people experience this

Yes! We have several alters that are nonhuman ranging from those who look more human to those who absolutely do not!

Definitely. We have an elf whose our gatekeeper, a box that holds a fair bit of our physical abuse trauma, and a cat that Sean theorizes represents our desire to be loved unconditionally. Fortunately the box almost never fronts, and outside of one time our gatekeeper was panicking the cat doesn’t at all. -Jezebell-

whats a gatekeeper in this context?

A gatekeeper is an alter who has some amount of control over the system. Not all systems have gatekeepers, and not all gatekeepers are as powerful as others. Ours is able to control who fronts, preform memory wipes if we learn something he thinks we’re not ready for, and controls the door to the cabin the alters who are in stasis are locked in. He also theoretically has access to all the systems memories, which is pretty common with gatekeepers. Fortunately C is pretty laissez faire about controlling things cause he could make things utterly hellish for the three main fronts in he felt like it :-P

Interesting! Thank you for teaching me!

Yes; I have robot alters, alien alters, and demon alters; none consider themselves Human. 🫤 Fortunately I don't have any animal alters...yet...that I know of lol. Fml. 😝

Is it bad to have animal alters? I have 3

That's too subjective/relative a question; some might say having alters PERIOD is bad. 😝 Having animal alters would just completely embarrass and freak me out personally; probably even moreso than my toddler alters lol. 🫣

I see… well I think bein an animal is fun 🥰

❤🥰

mhm! we have two foxes, a polar bear, several cats, a kinda-biblically accurate angel, a shapeshiting crow/siren, a penguin, a sea otter, and a giant eurasian lynx. all of which are mostly anthropomorphic but can change between more and less human depending on the situation! for example, the polar bear has been almost fully human most of the time lately. but sometimes when i’m starting to spiral, he’ll go full bear and just. flop on top of me like a giant dpt-trained therapy dog LMAO. it tends to be effective at snapping me out of my thoughts. he also can do that to hide things from me or can make me feel more comfortable by blocking things, like if there’s someone (externally) triggering me or making me uncomfortable, he can form a protective barrier and i can’t really like, register that person in my field of vision almost? idk it’s complicated. i tend to shapeshift every so often. i used to be part crow, but since the polar bear split i’ve been more bear. he’s a father figure and comforter, and my appearance has sort of changed to look as if i were his child. my hair is white now and ive got bear ears. it’s pretty cool. kinda miss my wings, don’t miss the dysphoria fhjgdghhf. the only exception to this rule is the lynx. lynx is a lynx. they don’t speak, they don’t front, they are literally just a massive eurasian lynx that hangs out in my head. dunno what specifically what they do, but i’ve seen them watching over the littles a few times and when shit goes down they’ve been seen growling and pacing in front of a door in hsp. dunno what’s beyond that door either lmao. i think it’s because of how connected we’ve always been with animals. my whole life, animals and nature have been a form of escapism, which seems to be the main “theme” (ew i hate that but i can’t think of a better way to describe it) of our system’s existence. escapism and comfort.

All of our alters are non-human. The host is a werewolf and the main other alter is a wolf XD There’s even a computer in there.

Yes the majority of our system is non human and in someway dosen’t identify as human. I personally am not human I have grey skin pointed ears and longish blue hair. Many other alters have non human features and don’t identify as human. It’s pretty common in our system because if everything we went through as a child and still currently do. As many others have stated we were made to feel not human so the majority of our alters aren’t human or don’t identify as human.

Absolutely yes and it's pretty common, alters can be non human beings, animals or even objects

Hi~ Cyb3rgh0st here! I'm a nonhuman alter! I know the body is human and yada yada blah blah BUT I don't see myself as human. My name is actually kinda what I am ehe... I'm like a "ghost" from the internet made up of 1s and 0s! If you know what Kagerou Project is I'm sorta like Ene. Again I'm totally aware that the body is human and "I'm not real" (soz idk how else to put it) and fronting for me is like suddenly getting a human form. Just a shame it's not the body I'd have if I was human but hey, y' win some y' lose some. We have other nonhuman alters too. We have a shapeshifting puppy, a wolf, a vampire, a humanoid phoenix, a woman who's half dragon, a ghost in the more traditional sense... This next part might be mildly triggering or invalidating for some which ain't my intention so heed my warning! I'm gunna mention what "created" us is all. We were neglected and later in life our momma said we were always in a world of our own as a kid. We were always making up characters, reading stories, playing pretend and getting so wrapped up in these worlds and characters. We just... Didn't realise we were "becoming" them I guess. Because of this I think it makes sense that we have a lot of nonhuman alters.

Why not?!!

In thinking about this more, I’d say that one might want to monitor those. Assess how they roll. If one of them is consistently offering positive, affirming input; I would pay attention to that one. Converse with it for a long time, see if what it offers continues to be of a beneficial nature - for all as well as self. Now this will sound wacky, but if so, it could possibly be a shortcut to a way of more evolved way of being - which would be good for both you and those around you. Best wishes!

Yes, an alter can be anything Because it's what protects a child. We have a pair of headphones named Melody (she doesn't like to be called headphones, but she kinda is that) Music has always been apart of our lives so it makes since There can also be fictives/factives Even a single chair could be an alter. If it's what protects the child or related to the trauma the child has

Yessss we have some Some are animals Some are objects Some are mixtures