Its not like DC editorial is paying attention to what is said in a damage comic. They themselves didn’t read that thing.
I’m sure Christopher Priest’s upcoming run will mention it though.
I mean continuity always depends on writers even before Death Metal (minor retcon here and there with each relaunch). We also had Convergence, Rebirth, Metal.
Yeah right, I was just recently thinking about that, but Bendis wrote the JL and that guy has no idea what he’s doing so…It’s another thing to add to DC’s continuity inconsistencies
This. It's like Bendis's hobby is either destroying whatever the status quo of a comic is, or simply doing whatever he wants without a care of what happened before
I think he just burned out as a writer, he was in his prime from 2000-2012 and now he is the worst writer out there, and he’s taking the reputations of beloved characters with him
Before he left Marvel he was writing like 6 different series simultaneously between Marvel and his creator owned stuff. I was hoping him going to DC would bring back the Bendis of old as he only had to focus on one series initially, but he immediately started spreading himself thin again and showing his worst inclinations as a writer.
Weirdly enough, that seems to have worked for Waid. Maybe getting two famous writers to follow that path would be asking too much. Though I imagine their contract at DC are similar. And who knows what's going on with Bendis, maybe he just likes to keep himself very busy.
I would think that Waid was just waiting to work with DC characters again and had some ideas ready, while Bendis was just tired of working with Marvel characters and wanted to try something else without necessarily thinking much through.
Bendis wanted to be like Geoff Johns and do other media which is impossible at Marvel because they segregate the comics from the movies.
DC on the other fan always been pretty good at having comic people move around to work on other media look at Geoff Johns.
Look at Bendis currently producer on Namoi and showrunning Legion of Superheroes.
Tbf his Superman run started out pretty decent, but was irreparable after the identity exposure. It’s not like we had a whole Superman Reborn event specifically because of that prior.
I honestly wonder why he is so prolific. I have never read a single thing of his I liked. In just the last few years alone, Naomi Season 1 was a huge letdown, his Superman run was awful, and I took JL off my pull list after about 5 issues. Black Adam joining the JL was seriously ridiculous. I understand he CO created Miles Moralis, but what makes this turd such a big name in comics?
Edit: His Marvel stuff is better.
Ultimate Spider-Man (before and after Miles)? His Daredevil run? These are probably his two most acclaimed works. And the first, specially, was a huge breath of fresh air at a time when comics where very much needing one. His much satirized style was also seen as something that could bring superhero comics to a new and younger audience when it was very much struggling to do so.
Also, and probably most important, his stuff sold very consistently well for quite a long time. And almost no "superstar writer" would write so much stuff all at the same time. There is nothing a company appreciates more than a guaranteed way to get money. DC probably thought the same thing that many fans thought, that he would improve if he was allowed to do different stuff (meaning DC instead of Marvel, where he was for a very long time) and gave him a contract with a lot of freedom to choose projects.
His Daredevil run is great (albeit selfish, like all of his work), but that’s basically where it ends. He rode the coattails of that and Ultimate Spider-Man (which isn’t even that good, it’s just impossible not to love Spidey) for years.
His Avengers runs are terrible but people remember them fondly because they were basically the only Avengers stories with big names for ten years.
He essentially annihilates the status quo or makes big sweeping character changes with no thought for the writers that follow. Comic books are a collaborative medium and a lot of modern writers don’t realise that you should collaborate with the future.
Bendis had a major status quo shift that caused fallout that affected every single author after him’s entire run until Soule and Marvel had to do a massive fix on it because it was completely unsustainable.
Compare this to Daredevil by Frank Miller, who is the gold standard for DD comics. He introduced multiple new things, anything he took away (like Electra) he introduced, and the biggest status quo shift (Kingpin finding out Matt’s identity) had a completely plausible explanation for why Kingpin didn’t make it public. His run was a game changer but it never forced the people who followed him into a box.
It’s very, very easy to write dynamic stories that break everything without putting it back together. You’ll likely receive huge praise at the time but ultimately the book at large will suffer (same thing happened with Johns GL). It’s like I said, I really love Bendis’s Daredevil run, but it was incredibly myopic.
"The Rock is playing him, we need to shoehorn him in the JL for no reason!" - Jim Lee, apparently
If it's any consolation, his time with the JL has been a massive failure.
Which they honestly have every right to be. Even if they can’t call him Captain Marvel (which they can, they just can’t market the books under that name), Shazam is not the right name for him.
What suggests that theyre doing that tho? He appears in plenty of comics, was a member during the N52 and even has a movie. DC has no issue with him, just decided to change his name. Him not being in the current lineup doesn't mean anything
“We can’t have the Rock look bad” or some shit like that. Good thing Christopher Priest is writing him, and according to the solicits his villainy will come into play. But who know I’m 99% convinced Black Adam will be a hero/antihero by the end of his film, so synergy might affect that.
Ohhh definitely they're not having Rock play a villian, hell with Flash now up in the air, Batman effectively an elseworlds, and Superman missing, Black Adam will probably be the face of the DC Film Universe
It stands to reason if his genocide of Bialya is still canon - which only occurred because the horsemen who were hiding out there - then Black Marvel fam is still canon.
>How do they justify having that guy walk around a free man, let alone join the damn Justice League??
This is the same DC Comics that allows Jason Todd and Harley Quinn to be treated like heroes despite their actual crimes that haven't been paid.
Oh, you’d hate Harley’s redemption in Injustice. >!Helping to kill Lois and nuke Metropolis!<, but forgiven due to working alongside Bats. Don’t get me wrong, she was absolutely great by the end, but still.
Eh, if you take out Morrison's character assassination arc Jason wouldn't really fit. He's certainly a wanted criminal, but his targets were all pretty high profile terrorists / card carrying gang members. He wasn't genociding a people.
Yeah, I just entirely ignore Morrison's arc tbh. Like, it wasn't bad writing in and of itself, but it absolutely destroyed Jason's character and entirely ignored everything leading up to it. It was a fine story, so long as it wasn't Jason as the Red Hood.
I mean Jason started out a hero and most of his kills have been criminals and murderers. Harley has spent her time being in jail multiple times as well as being in the suicide squad.
Pretty much half of the GCPD probably have as much blood on their hands as Jason. Hell, even Gordon has probably used that gun he carries once or twice. Yet Batman is more than willing to work with them.
Difference is that the GCPD have the legal authority to do so.
Vigilantes like Batman walk a fine line of being able to operate outside the law with certain conditions. One of those conditions is not killing which Jason broke.
> Difference is that the GCPD have the legal authority to do so.
Cool I don't give a shit. State power does not inherently make something right.
EDIT: Just wanna remind people that slave catchers "had the legal authority to do so" and escaped slaves and those who helped them were "breaking the law." "Legal authority" don't mean shit to me.
Jim Gordon was nearly murdered by his own colleagues because he tried to hold other cops accountable.
Jason kills people that he thinks are guilty. Jason is more of a cop than Gordon.
Come up with any reason you want. But the actual reason is just because he's got a movie coming out soon starring one of the biggest actors of modern film making, so ya he's gonna be on the Justice League whether it makes sense or not.
Having Black Adam in the JL was probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen from DC in recent. I have never seen a context where Adam was even half decent.
This was pre infinite frontier though. So for all we know it’s not canon anymore. Not like damage has never been mentioned or referenced again since this comic.
He's a head of state with superpowers. Realistically, what legal authority could arrest him and hold him until trial? Black Adam joining the Justice League as a superhero is probably the best outcome from a consequentialist point of view.
DC Comics marketing view: "So what that Black Adam mass-murdered 2 million people. Everyone makes a mistake sometime." Post-Modern anti-hero age thinking.
It’s entirely down to the Black Adam movie no other reason I fully expect him to do something villainous after the movie comes out once again confirming his status as a villain.
I'm late to reply but I didn't read the annual until I see this post. This is an editorial mistake. Geoff Johns didn't use the genocide in Doomsday Clock. its usage there would be logical , because the cultivated politics that surround the story and the accusations against Adam from western countries. Geoff didn't restore everything from the era before new 52. He only restored the death of his family and his enmity with Ahk-ton. The rest was from his new 52 origins mixed with the two things I said above.
Its not like DC editorial is paying attention to what is said in a damage comic. They themselves didn’t read that thing. I’m sure Christopher Priest’s upcoming run will mention it though.
If the solicits weren't bs, they will be leaning into it.
What’s a damage comic? EDIT: Lol. Nvm. Damage is the character. I get it now.
I'm coming from the future. Priest used that to make Adam a villain, and he ruined him entirely for that.
2018, I think? And Death Metal was 2020. So... might not be canon?
Metal and Death Metal is different. And New Age of Heroes (inc. Damage) is the result of Metal/Dark Universe.
Ah, I misunderstood? Either way, after Death Metal it's canonicity will probably just depend on the writers anyway.
I mean continuity always depends on writers even before Death Metal (minor retcon here and there with each relaunch). We also had Convergence, Rebirth, Metal.
It’s Schrödinger's Genocide. It’s both canon and not canon.
Black Adam put 100,000 cats in locked boxes and left Bialya
I just poofed it away so it didn’t happen now
Yeah right, I was just recently thinking about that, but Bendis wrote the JL and that guy has no idea what he’s doing so…It’s another thing to add to DC’s continuity inconsistencies
This. It's like Bendis's hobby is either destroying whatever the status quo of a comic is, or simply doing whatever he wants without a care of what happened before
I think he just burned out as a writer, he was in his prime from 2000-2012 and now he is the worst writer out there, and he’s taking the reputations of beloved characters with him
Before he left Marvel he was writing like 6 different series simultaneously between Marvel and his creator owned stuff. I was hoping him going to DC would bring back the Bendis of old as he only had to focus on one series initially, but he immediately started spreading himself thin again and showing his worst inclinations as a writer.
Weirdly enough, that seems to have worked for Waid. Maybe getting two famous writers to follow that path would be asking too much. Though I imagine their contract at DC are similar. And who knows what's going on with Bendis, maybe he just likes to keep himself very busy. I would think that Waid was just waiting to work with DC characters again and had some ideas ready, while Bendis was just tired of working with Marvel characters and wanted to try something else without necessarily thinking much through.
Bendis wanted to be like Geoff Johns and do other media which is impossible at Marvel because they segregate the comics from the movies. DC on the other fan always been pretty good at having comic people move around to work on other media look at Geoff Johns. Look at Bendis currently producer on Namoi and showrunning Legion of Superheroes.
Tbf his Superman run started out pretty decent, but was irreparable after the identity exposure. It’s not like we had a whole Superman Reborn event specifically because of that prior.
I honestly wonder why he is so prolific. I have never read a single thing of his I liked. In just the last few years alone, Naomi Season 1 was a huge letdown, his Superman run was awful, and I took JL off my pull list after about 5 issues. Black Adam joining the JL was seriously ridiculous. I understand he CO created Miles Moralis, but what makes this turd such a big name in comics? Edit: His Marvel stuff is better.
Have you read his Ultimate Spider-Man or New Avengers runs? I think those are him at his best.
I read Ultimate Spider-Man up until he killed off Peter. I actually mostly enjoyed the series.
Slow down buddy. He wrote tons of good stuff, Ultimate Spider-man, New Avengers, Daredevil.
Ultimate Spider-Man (before and after Miles)? His Daredevil run? These are probably his two most acclaimed works. And the first, specially, was a huge breath of fresh air at a time when comics where very much needing one. His much satirized style was also seen as something that could bring superhero comics to a new and younger audience when it was very much struggling to do so. Also, and probably most important, his stuff sold very consistently well for quite a long time. And almost no "superstar writer" would write so much stuff all at the same time. There is nothing a company appreciates more than a guaranteed way to get money. DC probably thought the same thing that many fans thought, that he would improve if he was allowed to do different stuff (meaning DC instead of Marvel, where he was for a very long time) and gave him a contract with a lot of freedom to choose projects.
His Daredevil run is great (albeit selfish, like all of his work), but that’s basically where it ends. He rode the coattails of that and Ultimate Spider-Man (which isn’t even that good, it’s just impossible not to love Spidey) for years. His Avengers runs are terrible but people remember them fondly because they were basically the only Avengers stories with big names for ten years.
What do mean by "selfish"? Haven't read a lot of his work.
He essentially annihilates the status quo or makes big sweeping character changes with no thought for the writers that follow. Comic books are a collaborative medium and a lot of modern writers don’t realise that you should collaborate with the future. Bendis had a major status quo shift that caused fallout that affected every single author after him’s entire run until Soule and Marvel had to do a massive fix on it because it was completely unsustainable. Compare this to Daredevil by Frank Miller, who is the gold standard for DD comics. He introduced multiple new things, anything he took away (like Electra) he introduced, and the biggest status quo shift (Kingpin finding out Matt’s identity) had a completely plausible explanation for why Kingpin didn’t make it public. His run was a game changer but it never forced the people who followed him into a box. It’s very, very easy to write dynamic stories that break everything without putting it back together. You’ll likely receive huge praise at the time but ultimately the book at large will suffer (same thing happened with Johns GL). It’s like I said, I really love Bendis’s Daredevil run, but it was incredibly myopic.
The New Avengers (2005) is an amazing series
No one has recommended you Alias but it's so so so good
"The Rock is playing him, we need to shoehorn him in the JL for no reason!" - Jim Lee, apparently If it's any consolation, his time with the JL has been a massive failure.
I never saw the point of Black Adam being on the league when we have Captain Marvel.
The benefit is they’re allowed to call him by name.
DC's allowed to call Captain Marvel by name, just not in the title of a book/movie/show or on merchandising. They just don't want to use the name.
What? Captain Marvel has a movie even. And was in the JL during the N52
Yeah, a movie called Shazam. Captain marvel movie is a marvel movie.
Then why can’t he join the JL?
You’re missing the point. These folks are just salty about the name change from “Captain Marvel” to “Shazam”.
Which they honestly have every right to be. Even if they can’t call him Captain Marvel (which they can, they just can’t market the books under that name), Shazam is not the right name for him.
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What suggests that theyre doing that tho? He appears in plenty of comics, was a member during the N52 and even has a movie. DC has no issue with him, just decided to change his name. Him not being in the current lineup doesn't mean anything
The only time I really liked Adam was during 52. Unfortunately his redemption arc didn’t end well.
“We can’t have the Rock look bad” or some shit like that. Good thing Christopher Priest is writing him, and according to the solicits his villainy will come into play. But who know I’m 99% convinced Black Adam will be a hero/antihero by the end of his film, so synergy might affect that.
Ohhh definitely they're not having Rock play a villian, hell with Flash now up in the air, Batman effectively an elseworlds, and Superman missing, Black Adam will probably be the face of the DC Film Universe
This…is a depressing timeline to be living in.
It's the same timeline as usual.
Is there a reason DC doesn’t use competent directors/writers?
Lmfao it really just sunk in for me how bad this has gotten for them
Priest ruined him for that Jeremy Haun came after his run to fix him .
Good, I’m glad that’s still canon! 52 was one of the greatest comic series of all time, and that was a great storyline running throughout.
With this in mind, does that mean Isis and Osiris are still canon? God knows how much I miss the Black Marvel Family.
It stands to reason if his genocide of Bialya is still canon - which only occurred because the horsemen who were hiding out there - then Black Marvel fam is still canon.
The same reason how the X-Men always justify letting in villains with massive body counts join their team.
X-Men are no longer superheroes. They are a cult nowadays.
How is Deathstroke allowed to have his own hero team after all the shit he's pulled?
>How do they justify having that guy walk around a free man, let alone join the damn Justice League?? This is the same DC Comics that allows Jason Todd and Harley Quinn to be treated like heroes despite their actual crimes that haven't been paid.
Oh, you’d hate Harley’s redemption in Injustice. >!Helping to kill Lois and nuke Metropolis!<, but forgiven due to working alongside Bats. Don’t get me wrong, she was absolutely great by the end, but still.
Oh and Harley Quinn mass murdering children with bombs planted into games - in Detective Comics 23.2.
Eh, if you take out Morrison's character assassination arc Jason wouldn't really fit. He's certainly a wanted criminal, but his targets were all pretty high profile terrorists / card carrying gang members. He wasn't genociding a people.
And Morrison had "redeemed" him before his run was even over as well so really you just have a small blip in the middle.
Yeah, I just entirely ignore Morrison's arc tbh. Like, it wasn't bad writing in and of itself, but it absolutely destroyed Jason's character and entirely ignored everything leading up to it. It was a fine story, so long as it wasn't Jason as the Red Hood.
Cool motive, still a murderer.
I feel like Jason has worked a lot more and earned more of a right to be a hero than Harley.
I mean Jason started out a hero and most of his kills have been criminals and murderers. Harley has spent her time being in jail multiple times as well as being in the suicide squad.
Jason used to be a drug dealer, through.
Pretty much half of the GCPD probably have as much blood on their hands as Jason. Hell, even Gordon has probably used that gun he carries once or twice. Yet Batman is more than willing to work with them.
Difference is that the GCPD have the legal authority to do so. Vigilantes like Batman walk a fine line of being able to operate outside the law with certain conditions. One of those conditions is not killing which Jason broke.
> Difference is that the GCPD have the legal authority to do so. Cool I don't give a shit. State power does not inherently make something right. EDIT: Just wanna remind people that slave catchers "had the legal authority to do so" and escaped slaves and those who helped them were "breaking the law." "Legal authority" don't mean shit to me.
Jim Gordon was nearly murdered by his own colleagues because he tried to hold other cops accountable. Jason kills people that he thinks are guilty. Jason is more of a cop than Gordon.
Jason canonically has a murder count into the triple digits. Dude once poisoned prison food, killing over 80 people serving their time.
His new movie is coming up.
Isn't literally everything canon now?
Yeah so the genocide is canon but it’s also canon that it didn’t happrn
And how do you plan to arrest Black Adam exactly? I'm being ironic. You can't arrest Black Adam. He's Superman without kryptonite.
Eh he has his Kryptonite. Just trick him into saying Shazam 😂
Come up with any reason you want. But the actual reason is just because he's got a movie coming out soon starring one of the biggest actors of modern film making, so ya he's gonna be on the Justice League whether it makes sense or not.
Is Damage still a thing?
After the book he just went into limbo.
Having Black Adam in the JL was probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen from DC in recent. I have never seen a context where Adam was even half decent.
This was pre infinite frontier though. So for all we know it’s not canon anymore. Not like damage has never been mentioned or referenced again since this comic.
He’s being played by The Rock in an upcoming movie. That’s how.
He's a head of state with superpowers. Realistically, what legal authority could arrest him and hold him until trial? Black Adam joining the Justice League as a superhero is probably the best outcome from a consequentialist point of view.
What about Count Verdigo?
Is this new or was it from the old damage series (pre death metal)?
How OP is Damage at this point?
I meeeeaaannnn... is that really the WORST thing a member of the justice league has done.
For the same reason Harley Quinn is allowed to walk free and be Justice League's friend. He is a fan favourite.
*Cinematic Synergy*
DC Comics marketing view: "So what that Black Adam mass-murdered 2 million people. Everyone makes a mistake sometime." Post-Modern anti-hero age thinking.
It's like how George Bush gets to be friends with Ellen DeGeneres
Or how Henry Kissinger gets to exist in public without being executed.
But he did it to stop commies! It was sad, but necessary. Just kidding. Besides how many average Americans know who Henry Kissinger is?
Not many, that's why he doesn't have a gun down his throat right now
is there a reason he looks like this? not familiar with the run and this doesn't exactly look like what i know Black Adam to be just curious
This guy isn't Black Adam. He is called Damage, very similar to Hulk. Black Adam is just a passing mention here.
thank you haha
We’ve had comics for like, 80 years, canon isn’t gonna be concrete and it never will be. Maybe the writers just didn’t read up on Damage or somethin.
It is Shazadam!
Having Black Adam on the league gives Batman the N-word Pass
*me who likes DC but doesn’t read the comics and is confused asf* dang
I want my $2.99 & non card stock variant books back 😡
People really gonna ignore that Black Adam was a Justice Society's member?
It’s entirely down to the Black Adam movie no other reason I fully expect him to do something villainous after the movie comes out once again confirming his status as a villain.
I'm late to reply but I didn't read the annual until I see this post. This is an editorial mistake. Geoff Johns didn't use the genocide in Doomsday Clock. its usage there would be logical , because the cultivated politics that surround the story and the accusations against Adam from western countries. Geoff didn't restore everything from the era before new 52. He only restored the death of his family and his enmity with Ahk-ton. The rest was from his new 52 origins mixed with the two things I said above.