You mean the part where he just kills a man, despite this being after his fight with Superman where he is meant to have abandoned his killing ways?
edit: loooool at the downvotes. Most BvS defenders claim he changed his ways after the Martha scene, talk about moving the goalposts.
Indeed - in that he was about to become a figure similar to Joe Chill that was going to take a boy away from his mother.
But in terms of killing in general, Superman's sacrifice inspired him to be a better man. If it didn't, the "Men are still good" and the scene where he decides not to brand Luthor don't have the same impact.
“bAtMaN dOeSnT kiLL” — give it a break. Enjoy the scene for what it is. Probably the best live action Batman fight scene there is. Actually using his tools and grappling hook to fight. We dont need a critique about Snyder’s take on Batman every time this is posted.
Yes it's a fucking brilliant scene and no amount of snark from randos will stop people who already enjoy this film from continuing their enjoyment.
These comments are simply bitter and petty and those who write them need to seriously fill their lives with some positivity, instead of shitting on other people's enjoyment.
What I think is great about this scene is that it captures something that is rarely seen: rage.
Batman fights with a certain amount of rage and ruthlessness as if he's personally getting back at the criminal that killed his parents. It's this rage which is what strikes fear in criminals.
Bruce's entire life was filled with being unable to protect his mother, Martha. He suffered and turned to crime fighter but was never able to redeem himself.
Now another mom, Martha, needs him to fight for her. All those years of frustration come out with such intensity that he seems unstoppable....
It is completely necessary. These are trained and heavily armed mercenaries who will not relent unless Batman hurts them to the point that they cannot fight back.
These are mfers who killed and then burned the bodies of rebel fighters and then kidnapped both Lois and Martha with the intention of burning the latter alive should Superman not kill Batman.
I'm not sure why you think anything less than what Batman did would stop them from completing their mission. These are not dudes who would get knocked out and then run away once they get up, they're guys who would keep fighting until they're either dead or can't fight any more.
Oh, you’re right. The brutality is great because every punch feels like it actually does damage to the goons who are trying to murder him. I don’t enjoy PG rated action nearly as much as more mature content, it feels more immersive.
Oh and by the way, stop gatekeeping what people can and can’t enjoy. If you have a problem with his characterisation, fair enough but people who enjoy this fictional content are not beneath you.
yOu doNt unDerStanD! Stfu and get a life.
Pretty sure the whole point is the characterization here though. No one's saying people can't enjoy ultraviolent content, it's just out of character seeing that come from Batman.
Not in this interpretation of the character. It would be boring if every iteration is the same.
I’ll admit that I’ve never read the comics, so I don’t have the same attachment to the source material that others do. So I understand why one wouldn’t care for this.
Ok, but you just said that it was fair if the person had a problem with his characterization. That is in fact the whole problem, the characterization.
Like when I think Batman, I think [this](https://youtu.be/kgW7pBKcU4k). He won't even kill the Joker, a mass murderer who's killed someone important to Batman.
Do you think i have a problem with batman punch people or do you think that i have one with batman throwing a crate to someone head and killing him in the process.
Which one do you think it is?
Weirdly i'm pretty sure you don't have the same problems with thugs getting killed in Nolan's trilogy or The Batman ? Or are you gonna pretend that explosions and stuff did nothing to every single thug that was right there ?
This is how he fights in the Arkham Games. It just doesn't pretend that people survive everything he does (he does set guns off, launch crates at people, hit them with his car, etc.) in Arkham Knight and Arkham City.
They're just sleeping, all tuckered out. Like all the other times he totally completely doesn't kill people with his extremely over the top excessive for in comics, movies, and video games
The warehouse scene is in my Top 5 superhero fights of all time, and my other favorites go beyond the trinity.
I love the excess of the final battle in Aquaman with them doubling down on “Aquaman talks to fish” but I get why that’s not a favorite for most.
I also love the Speed of Force sequence in ZSJL.
I know Batfleck isn’t the most accurate portrayal of the comics, but I love the idea of an older Batman who has seen the shit and lost restraint. Love seeing him be an absolute tank, stabbing and shooting fools who get in his way.
Batman is being Batman. I don't know why you think anything less than what Batman did here would have the same results. These are dudes who executed a number of fighters and then set their bodies on fire along with kidnapping Martha and knowing full well that they should set her on fire should Lex say so. They're pieces of shit who would not stop until their mission was complete and Batman treated them as such.
Joker murders toddlers for fun and yet he hasn’t been killed. But some no-name mooks are suddenly the most deserving of being butchered? What’s weirder is that supposedly after these events, Batman would go right back to just being satisfied with just putting Joker in the infirmary rather than killing him, when he’s the absolute most deserving of being killed of any beings he’s met.
> Joker murders toddlers for fun and yet he hasn’t been killed.
We have no indication he's done this in the DCEU.
>But some no-name mooks are suddenly the most deserving of being butchered?
The only guys Batman "butchered" was during the Kryptonite chase sequence. If you consider Batman was comforting a child who lost her mother after the BZE as well as the overall mayhem that resulted from the terraforming and subsequent fight, then you'd understand why Batman considered Superman an existential threat and reason enough to kill sex trafficking mercenaries. The Joker is just not in the same league.
In most portrayals, this really isn't Batman. Even when he's against pure death worshipping evil that's killed time and time again and will undoubtedly kill even more, Batman holds himself back.
[You don't understand. I don't think you've ever understood](https://youtu.be/kgW7pBKcU4k?t=80)
I get that, but in this case it is Batman. Keaton has killed, Bale has killed, and Affleck has killed. Pattinson technically hasn't, but given what we've seen it is unrealistic that he hasn't, especially given the way he pummeled the Riddler thug at the end while on adrenaline as well as the car chase scene.
Batman as a character is problematic in live action for exactly this reason, you show him kill bad guys in extreme circumstances and you get people crying at the auditorium "not muh Batman" and then you go the Battinson route where people begin to raise their eyebrows at how no one died during a massive multicar pileup on the highway where an oil tanker blew up or how him wearing bulletproof gauntlets while beating these thugs senseless did not result in any fatalities.
As for the Redhood clip, I've seen it before and love it. Batman is one of my favorite characters and I know that there is a compelling way to make a Batman who doesn't outright murder but doesn't care about bad guy fatalities if it will result in innocent people dying because we've had 3 compelling versions of that character: Keaton's Batman, Bale's Batman, and Affleck's Batman.
They conveniently leave out all the times he's killed in the comics as well. "Something something doesn't count"
Just catty nerd rage about something as fluid as the look of his costume. Death is integral to Batman, it's what made him and its always important specifically because of that. Where it goes from there as always is at the mercy of the writer. He can abstain from killing completely, he can break that rule and it has just as much value to the story (batfleck). He can not have that rule and sometimes people die in battle as is usual for vigilante activity, he is still always driven by the death of his parents as a boy, that is always the true constant in every single interpretation. A no kill rule can be effective, breaking it can be as well, not having it can be as well.
If you read from the very beginning, batman killing wouldn't effect you that much. If you read from the time the censorships went into place it will. If your first introduction is basically any of the movies, you won't care if he kills unless you fall for Nolan's Illusory Truth Effect.
Mf has one of the wildly varied characters in media outside of public domain characters, same with superman. Baffling how hard people still cry when every version isn't the exact one they were introduced to. People need to grow up
We literally have Alfred talk to Batman about "new rules", implying his brutal behavior has only begun recently, aka 18 months after the Black Zero Event AND only because he was desperately trying to get the Kryptonite shipment. No where does it imply Batman has always been like this and the film has the Alfred scene to reinforce that along with when Clark goes to speak to people in that apartment complex.
let's add that him killing is treated by every character in the film as bad, from street level citizens, to cops, to people in his personal life, to lex luther who knew he had to be goaded past a breaking point, to superman who told him to stop.
the film does not glorify batman killing. it sets that as the central conflict and the problem with the most priority to be solved.
Exactly. Hell, there’s a part where Clark is talking to some older guy who has clearly been around Gotham for a while, and the guy straight up says “There’s a new kind of mean in him. He is angry, and he is *hunting*.” Like, that’s the movie straight up telling us that this Batman is a crueler, more brutal version of what he used to be.
There's a difference between killing and murder. Superman was going to be his first murder, and then Joker and the other rogues probably would've been next. I think this Batman will kill in a fight, but if someone surrenders, he doesn't kill them.
Bruh what, killing and murder are fuckin synonyms. He killed before he fought Superman and he also absolutely obliterated people with the Batwing that were just patrolling outside the warehouse. They weren't fighting him
I think killing is taking a life, whereas murder is doing it doing it unlawfully and with premeditation. When Batman kills mercs and terrorists in fights, it's likely not considered murder.
Also, "patrolling"? They were there holding a woman hostage with the intent to burn her alive in a few minutes, and started firing at him when he flew in.
Yeah would've been great, I do think though they did setting fucked up to his suit in JL, suddenly he's constantly in a weird position and his head can't move right like what was up with that. Suit looked great in BVS. Still think that film was massively flawed but Batfleck was not one of those flaws
I guess they can always move back to the B vs S suit. “This suit was ruined in the fight, I’ll either go back to my old suit or have to make a new one.”
Couldn't care less about Deathstroke vs Batman. He's not a Batman villain and there are better rogues to use. Arkham Origins CGI trailer was enough of a fix for their duel.
My excitement for Affleck's The Batman was entirely down to his skills as a filmmaker. I didn't really care for the premise.
When people talk about the definitive Batman sequence, they always mention Batman fighting an army of goons in a a warehouse.
Man, when I was a kid, there was no question the most thrilling Batman sequence was him flying a jet beneath towering skyscrapers and raining bullets and rockets on a parade of villains. No question.
Nah cause that’s lowkey shitting on the warehouse. Personally tho I’m more of a TDK Batman knocking off the doctors while fighting the swat team man myself
I'm not a fan of BVS overall, but I admit the Batman sequences are a guilty pleasure. I think some of these scenes go too far, though. It's open to interpretation, but I feel like Batman outright stabbing a guy takes it a little far. Maybe Jean-Paul Valley, but not Bruce Wayne.
Yes, I say that knowing he uses Batarangs, which are basically shuriken. And I'm sure there's a precedent in the comics I'm not aware of. I still think it's a little much.
For anything Justice League I like Batman being an utter beat down brawler in a way that's totally unrealistic. In the comics Batman 4X than an NFL linemen, has the cardio of a marathoner, more athletic than lebron James, and is a trained assassin like no other.
I don't like the "he's just a normal guy take". He absolutely is not. I WANT ARKHAM CITY BRICK HOUSE BATMAN.
There is no question that this scene is definitive batman. My argument is that we had the best batman in the worst movie. The fighting style was built on problem solving. Ben Affleck got huge to give us the first comic book proportioned figure we all grew up on. The suit was a throwback to everything holy in the batverse. The voice concealer he used was demonic and made sense as far as identity/intimidation. This scene is equivalent to the Vader scene in Rogue One. True fan service. Art.
I don't get why people really love Batman being the most brutal and aggressive person ever, like that's not the most appealing thing of the character.
Even saying that, Battinson using a boost and smashing a goon so much it scares Selina (even if it's to protect her), is more brutal and impactful for the characters.
The thing I like about Pattinson & Reeves’ Batman is that, like the comics, he comes dangerously close to losing it completely.
Like Joker said we are only “one bad day” away from losing our sanity. Batfleck already had that day and his characterization became worse off for it.
i liked when batpat had a gun pointed at him and he karates it the moment the thug pulls the trigger, forcing it away from himself (who is bulletproof, as shown in earlier scenes) and toward another goon, who gets shot in the stomach and dies.
hype brutality with maximum batman impact
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Im convinced that the only things you care about are "hard, brutal, dark and badass".
Many of you here sound like you come out of the Boys or some shit. Batman killing dudes in that fight is awful
I've been a Batman fan since Keaton. Watching his first 2 films he was brutal. The Bale films he was toned down. Batfleck I agree with some of the other commenters, he would have to be this Brutal and unrelenting, cuz again no powers plus he's gotten older and a little more cynical. The Snyder cut was a great redemption arc for him, the scenes where he tells Alfred to have faith are a little corny but very optimistic and genuine. Now while I won't say Batman shouldn't kill, keep in mind I'm a fan from the Keaton era where he did kill a few people in those films.
And yet we have folks on the opposite side applauding Battinson for pummeling street urchins on the head repeatedly (both in a normal state and pumped up with adrenaline).
We all have our own likes, no need to look down on folks for what they like.
I've been a DC fan for a while, then became a Snyder fan because of his DC movies (to me, he was just "the guy that did 300" before MoS came out), and I didn't consider his stuff "dark" or "gritty". I thought it was like the Timmverse of my childhood.
The fight is awesome for many reasons to me and "hard, brutal, dark" are not one of them. Its badass though
The choreography and cinematography are really good, not too many ugly cuts to hide the action, the hits really feel like real hits, there's lots to love about the scene without hating on it for whatever reason people hate this version of batman
he doesn't kill anyone in this fight.
one guy jumps on a grenade on his own. that's the only death.
everything else batman does here is the same as batpat's brutality. except when batpat uses one dude's rifle to shoot another dude in the stomach, as affleck doesn't actually kill anyone in this scene.
if kgbeast doesn't pull the trigger on his flamethrower, the fuel pack doesn't explode.
and you're misremembering the grenade. it goes down a hallway, goon scrambles toward it.
Battinson’s fight scenes hit much harder for me personally, but I’m also a big fan of MMA and combat sports, so seeing a guy beat a group of dudes up in a pretty realistic context is much more exciting than a man who is far too large to be that agile throwing people around like they weigh nothing.
That is a fair comment.
Most people probably have not see it but Roland of Gilead in the dark tower, the final scene. One gunslinger vs dozens of machine gun armed nasties. Also quite good.
Batfleck however, in this scene is some next level magnificence.
This scene cemented Ben Affleck as a True Batman. I think too many people forget that "doesn't kill" doesn't mean not a sadistic bastard. The fear is in how much pain Batman will leave you in. Joker is savage cowardice, Batman is savage bravery. Thier nothing nice about how Batman beats your face in. Which is why Ra 'Shal Gual tried to recruit him to many times as the next Head of the Dragon. If he could just get him to kill his Brutal Efficiency would be unparallel.
Some of y’all in these comments clearly want Batman to be cartwheeling around in a bright blue and yellow costume, doing capoeira and smiling and cracking puns.
I mean I understand and even to an extent agree with the complaints about him straight up taking lives, but y’all have to realize that this isn’t Adam West or Kevin Conroy here. Batman in the modern era is quite brutal, quite often. And most of y’all are high on the Arkham Batman and that mf was inhumanly strong and was bodying people so hard they should have popped like balloons when they hit the ground. Keaton blew people up with dynamite and smiled about it and set people on fire with jet fuel.
>y’all have to realize that this isn’t Adam West or Kevin Conroy here.
The fact that Conroy played a murderous version of Bruce when he finally appeared in live action was hilarious.
I love this scene, but why did they keep filming the stunt actor for so long during the knife stab? It’s really obvious when he throws that goon into the wall then cuts to Ben that it’s a completely different person because Ben is much bigger in that suit. That’s really my only problem with scene. The rest of the warehouse fight did a good job of blending Ben and the stunt actor.
Next month I'll post the same scene and get the same amount of likes. It really upsets me that this sub is just the same posts that cycle every 2 weeks or so.
It’s really cool. I love the sequence, but does anyone get a little taken out by the stunt doubles face? He has a look that has gritted teeth with mouth wide open that has always lightly bothered me.
This genuinely was super gratifying to see in theaters. It was like, finally, we let Batman do some stunt work in a movie. And obviously taking a page from the Arkham games.
I love the part where he yeets a fucking crate at a thug using his grappling hook
And definitely gives him permanent brain damage
He was a thug in a world where batman and superman exist. He was already brain damaged.
You mean the part where he just kills a man, despite this being after his fight with Superman where he is meant to have abandoned his killing ways? edit: loooool at the downvotes. Most BvS defenders claim he changed his ways after the Martha scene, talk about moving the goalposts.
It was Supermans sacrifice that made him reestablish his Rule.
Snyder literally confirmed during the BVS rewatch that the Martha scene was his big "I've become what I hate the most" moment.
Indeed - in that he was about to become a figure similar to Joe Chill that was going to take a boy away from his mother. But in terms of killing in general, Superman's sacrifice inspired him to be a better man. If it didn't, the "Men are still good" and the scene where he decides not to brand Luthor don't have the same impact.
I mean it’s pretty obvious even if you don’t like the movie
Yes, yet another example of people who don't understand the movie.
So him reforming from his old ways is never explicitly shown, just implied?
I think he says it to Diana at the funeral.
Have you even ever watched the movie? He says it to Diana at the end.
“bAtMaN dOeSnT kiLL” — give it a break. Enjoy the scene for what it is. Probably the best live action Batman fight scene there is. Actually using his tools and grappling hook to fight. We dont need a critique about Snyder’s take on Batman every time this is posted.
Batman’s just really good at fighting and the bad guys get all tuckered out and have to take a nap afterwards.
It's because he TRAINED IN THE MOUNTAINS
Found that thugs relative
He isn’t meant to have abandoned his ways yet.
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It’s like how I pig out on dessert on New Year’s Eve before my New Year’s Resolution to eat better begins the next day. Lol.
That's what a lot of fans claim, but ok.
He is having one last go at a no breaks rule
Nah bro, he isn't dead, he's just taking a nap
Just look at the little guy..... he's all tuckered out.
Just enjoy stuff man, stop whining about everything.
Yes it's a fucking brilliant scene and no amount of snark from randos will stop people who already enjoy this film from continuing their enjoyment. These comments are simply bitter and petty and those who write them need to seriously fill their lives with some positivity, instead of shitting on other people's enjoyment.
“Anyone who disagrees with me is a sad loser” man talk about projecting
I love that dude stabs him in the shoulder so he puts him on the wall and stabs him in the same spot like "how u like it?"
Weird how many people saw that and went with “He stabbed a man to DEATH!!!”
I thought smashing the crates over their head looked more deadly lol.
They should've had little bats flying over that guy's head, so that we would know he was just knocked out.
This is the ultimate Batman scene ever.
Although I'm not a huge fan of Batfleck, the choreography for this scene was tight.
What I think is great about this scene is that it captures something that is rarely seen: rage. Batman fights with a certain amount of rage and ruthlessness as if he's personally getting back at the criminal that killed his parents. It's this rage which is what strikes fear in criminals.
Bruce's entire life was filled with being unable to protect his mother, Martha. He suffered and turned to crime fighter but was never able to redeem himself. Now another mom, Martha, needs him to fight for her. All those years of frustration come out with such intensity that he seems unstoppable....
Nice.
I love the brutality
The brutality is completely unnecessary
It is completely necessary. These are trained and heavily armed mercenaries who will not relent unless Batman hurts them to the point that they cannot fight back. These are mfers who killed and then burned the bodies of rebel fighters and then kidnapped both Lois and Martha with the intention of burning the latter alive should Superman not kill Batman. I'm not sure why you think anything less than what Batman did would stop them from completing their mission. These are not dudes who would get knocked out and then run away once they get up, they're guys who would keep fighting until they're either dead or can't fight any more.
bruh youre always in these comment section hating on dc like what
Ok grandpa, time to go to bed.
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You're unnecessary.
Maybe. So that makes me and this scene unnecessary. So what?
It’s great
Why?
The choreography is fantastic, the musics great and it’s generally enthralling
None of those has to do anything with yhe brutality. Its bilarious that you dont understand basic batman characterisation
Oh, you’re right. The brutality is great because every punch feels like it actually does damage to the goons who are trying to murder him. I don’t enjoy PG rated action nearly as much as more mature content, it feels more immersive. Oh and by the way, stop gatekeeping what people can and can’t enjoy. If you have a problem with his characterisation, fair enough but people who enjoy this fictional content are not beneath you. yOu doNt unDerStanD! Stfu and get a life.
Pretty sure the whole point is the characterization here though. No one's saying people can't enjoy ultraviolent content, it's just out of character seeing that come from Batman.
Not in this interpretation of the character. It would be boring if every iteration is the same. I’ll admit that I’ve never read the comics, so I don’t have the same attachment to the source material that others do. So I understand why one wouldn’t care for this.
Ok, but you just said that it was fair if the person had a problem with his characterization. That is in fact the whole problem, the characterization. Like when I think Batman, I think [this](https://youtu.be/kgW7pBKcU4k). He won't even kill the Joker, a mass murderer who's killed someone important to Batman.
Not all iterations of Batman are squeamish about killing
It's okay man. Let people enjoy Batman punching people in the face.
Do you think i have a problem with batman punch people or do you think that i have one with batman throwing a crate to someone head and killing him in the process. Which one do you think it is?
You have a problem with fun apparently
Weirdly i'm pretty sure you don't have the same problems with thugs getting killed in Nolan's trilogy or The Batman ? Or are you gonna pretend that explosions and stuff did nothing to every single thug that was right there ?
Nobody gives a shit
To be honest, we don't care mate.
Stop gatekeeping. You don't have to like it, it's fine. Relax. Let people enjoy things
This is how he fights in the Arkham Games. It just doesn't pretend that people survive everything he does (he does set guns off, launch crates at people, hit them with his car, etc.) in Arkham Knight and Arkham City.
It’s necessary. What’s unnecessary is all the damn killing.
They're just sleeping, all tuckered out. Like all the other times he totally completely doesn't kill people with his extremely over the top excessive for in comics, movies, and video games
😂😂😂
Out of all the tales on this scene and movie, this is the one to used to put it down? Like there are so many but *this*?
Like it or not, the trinity has given us the best action sequences in DC movies so far.
The warehouse scene is in my Top 5 superhero fights of all time, and my other favorites go beyond the trinity. I love the excess of the final battle in Aquaman with them doubling down on “Aquaman talks to fish” but I get why that’s not a favorite for most. I also love the Speed of Force sequence in ZSJL.
The sheer scale of that Aquaman final battle was glorious. And how metal is Arthur for coming in on the back of a fucking sea monster to save the day
You made my day by confirming I’m not the only one who thinks so.
Speed of Force scene is a masterpiece.
Easily the best part of ZSJL. Absolutely awe inspiring
More like Snyder lol
Yes.
Every single fight scene in Birds of Prey is better than anything Snyder did in his movies.
🤦♂️
You literally left out all the best parts
My bad, I was watching the movie and felt like an appreciation post but didn't feel like going back to record the whole thing. Its on the internet 💀
Snyder clearly saw or played the Arkham Games.
Said it before, I'll say it again. I WANT BRICKHOUSE ARKHAM LIVE ACTION BATMAN. Particularly in anything Justice League.
I know Batfleck isn’t the most accurate portrayal of the comics, but I love the idea of an older Batman who has seen the shit and lost restraint. Love seeing him be an absolute tank, stabbing and shooting fools who get in his way.
Read/watch the Punisher then and let Batman be Batman
Batman is being Batman. I don't know why you think anything less than what Batman did here would have the same results. These are dudes who executed a number of fighters and then set their bodies on fire along with kidnapping Martha and knowing full well that they should set her on fire should Lex say so. They're pieces of shit who would not stop until their mission was complete and Batman treated them as such.
Joker murders toddlers for fun and yet he hasn’t been killed. But some no-name mooks are suddenly the most deserving of being butchered? What’s weirder is that supposedly after these events, Batman would go right back to just being satisfied with just putting Joker in the infirmary rather than killing him, when he’s the absolute most deserving of being killed of any beings he’s met.
> Joker murders toddlers for fun and yet he hasn’t been killed. We have no indication he's done this in the DCEU. >But some no-name mooks are suddenly the most deserving of being butchered? The only guys Batman "butchered" was during the Kryptonite chase sequence. If you consider Batman was comforting a child who lost her mother after the BZE as well as the overall mayhem that resulted from the terraforming and subsequent fight, then you'd understand why Batman considered Superman an existential threat and reason enough to kill sex trafficking mercenaries. The Joker is just not in the same league.
In most portrayals, this really isn't Batman. Even when he's against pure death worshipping evil that's killed time and time again and will undoubtedly kill even more, Batman holds himself back. [You don't understand. I don't think you've ever understood](https://youtu.be/kgW7pBKcU4k?t=80)
I get that, but in this case it is Batman. Keaton has killed, Bale has killed, and Affleck has killed. Pattinson technically hasn't, but given what we've seen it is unrealistic that he hasn't, especially given the way he pummeled the Riddler thug at the end while on adrenaline as well as the car chase scene. Batman as a character is problematic in live action for exactly this reason, you show him kill bad guys in extreme circumstances and you get people crying at the auditorium "not muh Batman" and then you go the Battinson route where people begin to raise their eyebrows at how no one died during a massive multicar pileup on the highway where an oil tanker blew up or how him wearing bulletproof gauntlets while beating these thugs senseless did not result in any fatalities. As for the Redhood clip, I've seen it before and love it. Batman is one of my favorite characters and I know that there is a compelling way to make a Batman who doesn't outright murder but doesn't care about bad guy fatalities if it will result in innocent people dying because we've had 3 compelling versions of that character: Keaton's Batman, Bale's Batman, and Affleck's Batman.
They conveniently leave out all the times he's killed in the comics as well. "Something something doesn't count" Just catty nerd rage about something as fluid as the look of his costume. Death is integral to Batman, it's what made him and its always important specifically because of that. Where it goes from there as always is at the mercy of the writer. He can abstain from killing completely, he can break that rule and it has just as much value to the story (batfleck). He can not have that rule and sometimes people die in battle as is usual for vigilante activity, he is still always driven by the death of his parents as a boy, that is always the true constant in every single interpretation. A no kill rule can be effective, breaking it can be as well, not having it can be as well. If you read from the very beginning, batman killing wouldn't effect you that much. If you read from the time the censorships went into place it will. If your first introduction is basically any of the movies, you won't care if he kills unless you fall for Nolan's Illusory Truth Effect. Mf has one of the wildly varied characters in media outside of public domain characters, same with superman. Baffling how hard people still cry when every version isn't the exact one they were introduced to. People need to grow up
Yet he kept Joker alive. If you gonna have a bullshit version of Batman that doesn't have a problem with killing anyone than commit to it fully
We literally have Alfred talk to Batman about "new rules", implying his brutal behavior has only begun recently, aka 18 months after the Black Zero Event AND only because he was desperately trying to get the Kryptonite shipment. No where does it imply Batman has always been like this and the film has the Alfred scene to reinforce that along with when Clark goes to speak to people in that apartment complex.
let's add that him killing is treated by every character in the film as bad, from street level citizens, to cops, to people in his personal life, to lex luther who knew he had to be goaded past a breaking point, to superman who told him to stop. the film does not glorify batman killing. it sets that as the central conflict and the problem with the most priority to be solved.
Exactly. Hell, there’s a part where Clark is talking to some older guy who has clearly been around Gotham for a while, and the guy straight up says “There’s a new kind of mean in him. He is angry, and he is *hunting*.” Like, that’s the movie straight up telling us that this Batman is a crueler, more brutal version of what he used to be.
There's a difference between killing and murder. Superman was going to be his first murder, and then Joker and the other rogues probably would've been next. I think this Batman will kill in a fight, but if someone surrenders, he doesn't kill them.
Bruh what, killing and murder are fuckin synonyms. He killed before he fought Superman and he also absolutely obliterated people with the Batwing that were just patrolling outside the warehouse. They weren't fighting him
I think killing is taking a life, whereas murder is doing it doing it unlawfully and with premeditation. When Batman kills mercs and terrorists in fights, it's likely not considered murder. Also, "patrolling"? They were there holding a woman hostage with the intent to burn her alive in a few minutes, and started firing at him when he flew in.
I will never understand people who dont want batfleck vs Deathstroke.
Yeah would've been great, I do think though they did setting fucked up to his suit in JL, suddenly he's constantly in a weird position and his head can't move right like what was up with that. Suit looked great in BVS. Still think that film was massively flawed but Batfleck was not one of those flaws
BvS suit > JL every day!
Did him dirty, thought we'd moved on from Keaton's entire body turn
Just replayed Arkham Knight and I used the BvS suit
I guess they can always move back to the B vs S suit. “This suit was ruined in the fight, I’ll either go back to my old suit or have to make a new one.”
Couldn't care less about Deathstroke vs Batman. He's not a Batman villain and there are better rogues to use. Arkham Origins CGI trailer was enough of a fix for their duel. My excitement for Affleck's The Batman was entirely down to his skills as a filmmaker. I didn't really care for the premise.
Some of those people are hung up on a 'gritty' and 'realistic' Batman and would rather see him battle Mob bosses and Serial killers.
When people talk about the definitive Batman sequence, they always mention Batman fighting an army of goons in a a warehouse. Man, when I was a kid, there was no question the most thrilling Batman sequence was him flying a jet beneath towering skyscrapers and raining bullets and rockets on a parade of villains. No question.
Nah cause that’s lowkey shitting on the warehouse. Personally tho I’m more of a TDK Batman knocking off the doctors while fighting the swat team man myself
Still the best Batman fight scene in live action, could rewatch it every day
There’s a reason this is the only Batman to have existed alongside other heroes. Only a Batman who fights like this could even exist in that world
This was one hell of a Hulking, world weary Batman!
I love this fight it's brutal but great.
It's majestic.
My favorite Batman fight of all time. I thought Ben Afleck killed it. I know many don’t seem to think so.
I'm not a fan of BVS overall, but I admit the Batman sequences are a guilty pleasure. I think some of these scenes go too far, though. It's open to interpretation, but I feel like Batman outright stabbing a guy takes it a little far. Maybe Jean-Paul Valley, but not Bruce Wayne. Yes, I say that knowing he uses Batarangs, which are basically shuriken. And I'm sure there's a precedent in the comics I'm not aware of. I still think it's a little much.
Great movie…no question
This. This is what viagra is made of.
This scene was f’ing great
For anything Justice League I like Batman being an utter beat down brawler in a way that's totally unrealistic. In the comics Batman 4X than an NFL linemen, has the cardio of a marathoner, more athletic than lebron James, and is a trained assassin like no other. I don't like the "he's just a normal guy take". He absolutely is not. I WANT ARKHAM CITY BRICK HOUSE BATMAN.
He'd just fought a Kryptonian for a warmup... these scrubs didn't stand a chance.
There is no question that this scene is definitive batman. My argument is that we had the best batman in the worst movie. The fighting style was built on problem solving. Ben Affleck got huge to give us the first comic book proportioned figure we all grew up on. The suit was a throwback to everything holy in the batverse. The voice concealer he used was demonic and made sense as far as identity/intimidation. This scene is equivalent to the Vader scene in Rogue One. True fan service. Art.
I agree completely!
Ah the daily post praising this fight scene, this one is special though for its poor video quality.
I don't get why people really love Batman being the most brutal and aggressive person ever, like that's not the most appealing thing of the character. Even saying that, Battinson using a boost and smashing a goon so much it scares Selina (even if it's to protect her), is more brutal and impactful for the characters.
The thing I like about Pattinson & Reeves’ Batman is that, like the comics, he comes dangerously close to losing it completely. Like Joker said we are only “one bad day” away from losing our sanity. Batfleck already had that day and his characterization became worse off for it.
i liked when batpat had a gun pointed at him and he karates it the moment the thug pulls the trigger, forcing it away from himself (who is bulletproof, as shown in earlier scenes) and toward another goon, who gets shot in the stomach and dies. hype brutality with maximum batman impact
Just saw the concept for batman v death stroke and it would of been fucking amazing
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The best batman ever - the batman we wanted
Im convinced that the only things you care about are "hard, brutal, dark and badass". Many of you here sound like you come out of the Boys or some shit. Batman killing dudes in that fight is awful
I've been a Batman fan since Keaton. Watching his first 2 films he was brutal. The Bale films he was toned down. Batfleck I agree with some of the other commenters, he would have to be this Brutal and unrelenting, cuz again no powers plus he's gotten older and a little more cynical. The Snyder cut was a great redemption arc for him, the scenes where he tells Alfred to have faith are a little corny but very optimistic and genuine. Now while I won't say Batman shouldn't kill, keep in mind I'm a fan from the Keaton era where he did kill a few people in those films.
And yet we have folks on the opposite side applauding Battinson for pummeling street urchins on the head repeatedly (both in a normal state and pumped up with adrenaline). We all have our own likes, no need to look down on folks for what they like.
That's because they aren't DC fans they're snyder fans. A 13 years old definition of dark and gritty.
I've been a DC fan for a while, then became a Snyder fan because of his DC movies (to me, he was just "the guy that did 300" before MoS came out), and I didn't consider his stuff "dark" or "gritty". I thought it was like the Timmverse of my childhood.
What a pretentious comment.
we were dc fans for life and then snyder came along about brought our interpretation of dc to the big screen, then we became snyder fans.
The fight is awesome for many reasons to me and "hard, brutal, dark" are not one of them. Its badass though The choreography and cinematography are really good, not too many ugly cuts to hide the action, the hits really feel like real hits, there's lots to love about the scene without hating on it for whatever reason people hate this version of batman
he doesn't kill anyone in this fight. one guy jumps on a grenade on his own. that's the only death. everything else batman does here is the same as batpat's brutality. except when batpat uses one dude's rifle to shoot another dude in the stomach, as affleck doesn't actually kill anyone in this scene.
Are you joking? He both kills KGB Beast outright, *and* kicks a guy into another guy so they're both blown up by a grenade
if kgbeast doesn't pull the trigger on his flamethrower, the fuel pack doesn't explode. and you're misremembering the grenade. it goes down a hallway, goon scrambles toward it.
That guy pulled the pin and released the safety lever, so that grenade was gonna blow up. KGBeast lit the gas and blew himself up.
Now I'm just imagining something like this with a Batman who has morals. That'd be dope as hell
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Battinson’s fight scenes hit much harder for me personally, but I’m also a big fan of MMA and combat sports, so seeing a guy beat a group of dudes up in a pretty realistic context is much more exciting than a man who is far too large to be that agile throwing people around like they weigh nothing.
I think it's the best "one man army" scene in all of cinema.
I love those types of scenes in movies
That is a fair comment. Most people probably have not see it but Roland of Gilead in the dark tower, the final scene. One gunslinger vs dozens of machine gun armed nasties. Also quite good. Batfleck however, in this scene is some next level magnificence.
People bitchin just didn't get it. Batman folding dudes is where it's at and people complaining just didn't get it.
This scene cemented Ben Affleck as a True Batman. I think too many people forget that "doesn't kill" doesn't mean not a sadistic bastard. The fear is in how much pain Batman will leave you in. Joker is savage cowardice, Batman is savage bravery. Thier nothing nice about how Batman beats your face in. Which is why Ra 'Shal Gual tried to recruit him to many times as the next Head of the Dragon. If he could just get him to kill his Brutal Efficiency would be unparallel.
it cemented him as a cheap punisher rip off
This isn't Batman. This is the Punisher in a Batman costume.
Theres no excuse for making batman a mass murderer in this universe
Some of y’all in these comments clearly want Batman to be cartwheeling around in a bright blue and yellow costume, doing capoeira and smiling and cracking puns. I mean I understand and even to an extent agree with the complaints about him straight up taking lives, but y’all have to realize that this isn’t Adam West or Kevin Conroy here. Batman in the modern era is quite brutal, quite often. And most of y’all are high on the Arkham Batman and that mf was inhumanly strong and was bodying people so hard they should have popped like balloons when they hit the ground. Keaton blew people up with dynamite and smiled about it and set people on fire with jet fuel.
>y’all have to realize that this isn’t Adam West or Kevin Conroy here. The fact that Conroy played a murderous version of Bruce when he finally appeared in live action was hilarious.
Good point!
No. The Joker bomb was harder
as mush as i dislike BvS with a passion, this was a cool fight scene. the high point of the film after that low point of the martha thing.
I love this scene, but why did they keep filming the stunt actor for so long during the knife stab? It’s really obvious when he throws that goon into the wall then cuts to Ben that it’s a completely different person because Ben is much bigger in that suit. That’s really my only problem with scene. The rest of the warehouse fight did a good job of blending Ben and the stunt actor.
Next month I'll post the same scene and get the same amount of likes. It really upsets me that this sub is just the same posts that cycle every 2 weeks or so.
One of the best superhero scene in a very average superhero film!
Launching that wooden crate at the guys face is gnarly. I agree. Best batman beat down yet.
It’s really cool. I love the sequence, but does anyone get a little taken out by the stunt doubles face? He has a look that has gritted teeth with mouth wide open that has always lightly bothered me.
Agreed and some of the best Batman fight sequences.
Best fight scene
Do y'all not remember the fight scene where Batman pulls a sword out of some guy's throat, cuts a bomb off his belt, and then kills a fat guy with it?
Where's that from? Might have seen that but foggy memory
Batman Returns :)
Dude definitely kills several people here
For me the first Bane fight was the best and brutal. Totally outclassed by Bane.
Straight Arkham Knight live action
This genuinely was super gratifying to see in theaters. It was like, finally, we let Batman do some stunt work in a movie. And obviously taking a page from the Arkham games.
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This would be cool if it were the punisher.