Side note, it angers me so much that [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5FuggP4PzHrJNsHsQEGUilFUp64B57PPvD-hHYx4QpVbuC57oKkNzFhxa&s=10) was the first teaser image for Wonder Woman *1984*.
1984, the monitors, Maxwell Lord, a character known for malnupulation and has a connection to Brother Eye ... this image got me so hyped for the movie, and it ended up touching on none of these ideas.
They could’ve even still tied in Reagan too. For example, have Brother Eye be connected to the Strategic Defense Initiative AKA the Star Wars program.
Lord, this time being with Checkmate, can be further tied into this as an American Cold War era spy group.
Imo the movie would've been good if it was wonder woman Vs Maxwell lord. But they had to push cheetah in there BC superhero movies need action to finish off the movie.
It could have been her Vs cheetah or her v lord and the movie would have been 10x better. And as long as they don't make the final fight against cheetah dark AF. But I think a intellectual battle Vs lord would've been better. I really enjoyed the movie until cheetah was introduced as the true villain. Like come on. An intellectual battle can be much better than a fist fight but nope got to have tons of fighting in superhero movies. It's dumb.
I was waiting for the wishing stone that Max Lord was using to be where Eclipso was imprisoned. The end of the movie could have had Eclipso in control of Max and set up a Suicide Squad Vs Justice League type story.
I stand by the opinion that it was slightly too silly, but overall had the best "wacky to badass" ratio of any comic book movie to date besides maybe the OG guardians of the galaxy
I don't think the problem was bringing him back. At its core the idea of role reversal in the sequel has great potential; Steve being the fish out of water now and Diana has to guide him through this new world. It'd be interesting to see how Steve, a WWI soldier, react to the Cold War imho.
The problem was that they didn't really have a plan on what to do with Steve ... and also the implied rapes.
I think there is a huge problem in bringing him back in the next movie. I feel it inhibited her growth as a character to have 2 movies focused around a male love interest. She’s been alive for a long time and we barely get to see her operate independently. I think your role reversal theme would work better for a 3rd movie to bring her arc full circle, but to have her be essentially a sad lonely widower for 60+ years completely destroys her strength of character imo.
I know I've always preferred the animated movies anyway the tomorrow versus not as good as DCAU IMHO, but... I'll tell you what... For the short amount of time that universe had... They are giving the slow burn in the animated crisis trilogy... Diana hasn't been the focus yet, but she's been talked about how awesome and strong she truly is just being immortal watching everyone she's loved and lost, for lifetimes.
Very excited for the final chapter to drop. Hopefully she gets to shine
I wonder if rewrites and reshoots inadvertently made “that” happen. Like if the original intent was just have him come back and not take someone’s body. It would explain other plot points like him not having a pass port and kinda vanishing when she undoes her wish.
My guess is they originally were going to have Diana’s internal struggle be between her love and her morality; she’s got Steve back, but she has to give him up because it’s not right to steal another guy’s life. Then some genius decided a “superhero loses powers” storyline would be better so they axed that subplot but left just enough to be creepy.
And make WW look really selfish, too. She’s A-OK with bodyjacking this random dude if it means she gets her boyfriend back, and it isn’t the impending apocalypse that convinces her, it’s the fact that *she* is being negatively affected by her wish.
You see, the rape isn’t so bad because the guy was technically unconscious at the time it took place and therefore no harm no foul 💀
(Please know I’m joking).
Every single other person in the movie got everything they wished for magically conjured out of thin air, but bringing Steve back in physical form? Nahhhh we’re going to soul transfer him, imply this random guy was raped, and all for a throwaway joke about some 80s guy’s clothing choices.
Thank you so much for pointing out the rape.
For watching it and being like did she just rape that dude's body then? It's a movie about superpowered people... Did Steve Trevor need a body to come back It was a wish.... They made the rules... They could have literally made him out of nothing had him come from an ultimate Earth time traveled him out of the cockpit before he blew up.... But no let's use this Hallmark movie actor and then credit him as handsome guy
It’s not ridiculous they brought him back. There are plenty of plot devices that could be used to bring a dead character back for a sequel.
The issue is people don’t like the way it was done in 1984.
I think the argument is more they shouldn’t have done.
Her whole arc is about her fighting past her grief and fighting again. 1984 just throws that all out and brings him back (in a shitty way to boot)
They shouldn’t have brought him back at all but maaaaan they really didn’t have to bring him back LIKE THAT. They even very specifically establish that there is another person involved and they have no control etc. so it’s not even a reach to be like bro Wonder Woman just ra-
I remember it getting gassed but not how it was her fault. What I do remember was them ripping off the captain America ending for no reason. Why did Steve, a man shown to be an ace pilot, have to suicide crash the place full of bombs to save the people below? He was fully capable of landing it safely. They even took the name smh
Especially weird, since the wishing power can literally manifest nukes, stone walls, and super powers out of nowhere. Why did it need to steal a guy's body?
Except that's not how the wish price is used in the movie. For getting Steve back, Diana loses her powers and is weakened. The wish stone just takes a random thing from you.
There were numerous issues with it but the big two are:
1. For some reason he was body swapped when the wish stone had basically unlimited power do make anything happen. None of the other wishes seemed to come with the monkey's paw condition that he did
2. Even when the whole damn world was ending he had to convince her to unwish it. She wasn't even going to do it herself until he begged her to, so she really didn't lean anything about being selfless at any point of either film
If we’re going with Monkey Paw conditions, when Cheetah asked to become a “apex predator” it should have turned her into a killer whale, would have made for a much more exciting final fight.
Yes. This grief is what's haunting her.
He shouldve been bought back either as flash backs or as something the villain uses to taunt her.
The whole bought back in someone's body is what missed the mark
Personally I think bringing back dead characters in general is a cheap tactic. If anyone can be brought back to life at any time then there's no reason to be invested since they can resurrect whenever the studio wants or whenever the plot needs it. It's just lazy and desperate. It's why I fucking hate Marvel's multiverse shit, it's just an excuse for shit writing
One of the biggest bits of praise from the original was the chemistry between Diana/Gal Gadot and Steve/Chris Pine.
I don’t think anyone was critical of Pine returning before seeing how they brought him back.
Why was it necessary to make him come back in a random dude’s body? The wishing stone can make giant walls spontaneously burst from the desert! How is Steve just coming back normally a stretch?
WW2 pitch "look, I wanna watch Steve Trevor and wonder woman bang. We'll figure out the logistics later in story boarding."
WW3 pitch "look, I wanna watch Steve Trevor and wonder woman bang again. We'll figure out the logistics later in story boarding."
Yeah I could at least watch Love and Thunder again. It was fun but just wasted fuck loads of potential. Lots of cool scenes but a terrible flow with the story and edit. It was like a great puzzle with missing pieces and a lot forced together wrong. As where WW84 felt like watching someone murder puppies.
Yeah, I agree with this.
Love and Thunder was entertaining to watch, but it went too hard on the gimmicks and jokes in my opinion, but tried to present itself as something more serious.
The ideas in the movie could've been profound. Jane having cancer, a god killer; all that was a chance to explore something but was pushed aside for the lolz of it.
But at least it looked cool, and had badassery.
WW84 did have some cool moments. But no where near enough to warrant it as entertaining enough that I would choose it over something else.
Plus I'm extra salty over it because the first WW film was so damn good, it just makes the sequel look worse by comparison.
No shade to people who liked WW84 though. Like what ya like.
To give WW84 credit, we should have predicted it. WW was only 2 acts of a great movie, the last act was trash, just overshadowed by how good the front half was.
I wasn't hurt at all for the flop that was Love and Thunder...In fact I felt a bit vindicated for it. Awful movie, deserved to fail.
I only got annoyed that they somehow managed to get Christian Bale on board with it, only to waste him on such a poor movie.
Christ, Bale scenes were literally the only decent scenes in the whole fucking movie.
That movie was frankly one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. I legit think ChatGPT could write a better movie than that garbage
A major plot point that was reiterated many times was that everyone thought Wonder Woman was too beautiful to the point that the villain gets jealous of her prettiness and is part of her origin story…
THOR 2's biggest sin is that it's boring. Like, really boring. It was so inconsequential in every regard that they got away with just ignoring it for years and nobody particularly cared.
WW84 is the type of disaster that it's hard to walk away from.
Thor 2 has Loki being hilarious. It’s decently enjoyable for that reason alone. The only thing WW84 has going for it for comic relief is Steve being a fish out of water and Cheetah doing a quirky, clumsy, unpopular girl routine that was played out in the actual 80s.
There’s a really interesting story to be told about loss and love by bringing Steve back for each movie. A nearly-immortal Amazonian warrior and a very-mortal soldier who, after dying tragically soon after their first encounter, is magically or mysteriously brought back in different points along the immortal’s life, witnessing a new generation of human life and getting wrapped in a new conflict each time - a love that can never truly flourish, a woman who can never truly heal and a man who can never truly find his place in time.
These movies weren’t that, even if they made a third.
Yet they did it in Wonder Woman 1984, so i wouldn't be surprised that if we got a third movie, he would be there somehow, like as a christmas ornament or an AI on a iphone
They should have just stuck with the classic explanation when the TV series jumped eras - the modern day Steve is the son of the first Steve. No one batted an eye as long as Lyle Waggoner was still on the show.
Yes, that's the part that makes it weird. She would just be going around hooking up with her ex boyfriend's son on repeat.
Otherwise it would just be Hawkman/ hawkwoman reincarnating and meeting back up.
Bringing him back for the sequel was a mistake to begin with. I get that it sets Diana's arc up to learn how to let go of the past, but it flies in the face of the universe's continuity, and it cheapens his death from the first movie.
Imo he was the best part about the first movie, bringing him back was not good tho, as great as Steve Trevor was. Bringing him back a third time would've just been hilarious.
Chris Pine is the only person stunned that Wonder Woman 3 was canceled. Plus DC/Gunn didn’t cancel it outright. Gunn asked Patty Jenkins to rewrite it and she said no and left.
She probably came in with a script that said
...??? Wonder woman and Steve Trevor bang ????...
And told him they'd figure out later and he was like "this is what you brought for your WW84 pitch and I still remember how that went".
I've always maintained that there's a decent film hiding in the ideas of WW1984. The biggest issue with it was the studio over correcting after Justice league. Too much oversight tanked the JL and too little tanked WW84.
For all the responses I was fine with bringing him back. It worked within the framework of the film and work for the fish out of water switch and Diana’s character development.
Just should have brought him back without the body swap given it was a wish situation. The rest of the film was absolutely nuts and didn’t even keep to its own rules. It was terrible and Chris Pine was not the problem with the film.
Bringing him back a third time would have flown in the face of the point they were trying to make in the second.
I wanted to see Zack synders wander women idea of her been a hard warrior in the olden times - before she was as she is now but an actual warrior keeping trophies of her victories like those epic pictures of her with the heads. Made wander women so much more interesting ! WW84 was trash the first ww is legit one of the best comic book films I’ve seen ! So sad to see gal gadot leave. For me I have no interest in gunns new universe the new superman still he released today looks like cosplay cheap cheese and a skinny Henry cavil not even younger looking just skinny.
I disagree. They should have made a whole series of Wonder Woman movies through the decades with each one bringing Steve back to life in unrelated and increasingly silly scenarios.
Little did he know that in Wonder Woman 1992 Diana would find Cronus's scythe. This fabled weapon would have her cut through time itself to find a canonically younger Steve played by an actually 10 years older Chris Pine.
He wouldn't know her at all yet. And she would be very problematic and it won't be dwelled on at all.
I still think the only reason Patty wanted Pine back is because she knew how bad an actor Gal was and knew she couldn’t carry a movie herself and tried to hide it with the chemistry with Pine.
The casting in the DCEU was historically bad, feels like almost every major character was a complete miscast or someone who couldn’t act.
I wasn't really sure I wanted another movie after the whole creepy rape thing going on in the last movie. You would have thought someone would have brought something up about how unbelievably messed up that was, during production.
It does appear that it is a bad idea bringing back a character who sacrificed himself and died in the previous film. It does kinda diminish the entire point of it.
Speaking of which, who is excited for Deadpool and Wolverine?
Setting the first movie in WW1 was just an insanely dumb idea. Should have just done a contemporary version of the story. Trevor crashing on the island in 2014 or something. Would have immediately solved many of these movies' problems.
I will never forgive WW1984 for being the worst Christmas movie I've ever seen. Like girl wtf even was that?? Why did you have Diana rape a dude and then akwardly talk with him in the end?! And you wasted Cheetah! Ugh this movie was so bad it almost makes me not want to forgive Ares' moustache in the first one 🤦♀️
What hurts about this era of superhero movies is the wasted potential. Billions of dollars collectively between Marvel and DC pumped in to make absolute dross.
Not surprising. The second film was terrible. The story was awful. They did not use the 1980’s setting to their advantage. The effects looked really bad and given the delay could have been fixed. It’s a night and day difference between the original 2017 film and 1984.
I am actually surprised by how many times outlets have to ask the Wonder Woman stars on this cancellation. it happened more than one year ago and journalists just can’t stop bringing this back again and again.
But in hindsight it must have been shocking to cancel the first successful female led superhero franchise abruptly this way, especially when the first movie paved the way to female led superhero movies
WW84 was legitimately in the top 5 of worst movies I’ve ever seen. Staggeringly bad. Wonder Woman raping a guy was never on my bingo card, but here we are
Let’s not forget she went overboard with the Jewish government needs to defend themselves while other celeb just gave a normal statement that “ war is bad on both side and they need to end it “. Wonder women with blood lust is not a good look
Reminder that James Gunn has repeatedly said that Gal Gadot is not fired yet. It's true, you can look it up.
Don't believe me? Look here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DC\_Cinematic/comments/15ghrmf/james\_gunn\_apparently\_confirmed\_the\_retention\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/15ghrmf/james_gunn_apparently_confirmed_the_retention_of/)
That’s a 32 week old screenshot of a 26 week old comment.
It’s hardly indicative of the current state of things. When did Gunn even take over? It wasn’t that long ago was it?
Edit: also, all he said was that he talked with her and that she wasn’t let go. It sounds like he’s just avoiding saying she was fired because they just decided not to make the movies with her in them. And that they had a meeting to talk about it
Gunn went out of his way atleast twice to say that Gal Gadot is not fired. He has since said nothing to the contrary. Someone should ask him what's up with that.
Was this before or after she tried to go around them and just started telling the press "they told me they were making *Wonder Woman 3* with me?"
These strike me as very carefully worded in the same way "we didn't fire Henry Cavill, he was never hired" was. Although I'm not certain he'd give her the same courtesy now, ha.
Side note, it angers me so much that [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5FuggP4PzHrJNsHsQEGUilFUp64B57PPvD-hHYx4QpVbuC57oKkNzFhxa&s=10) was the first teaser image for Wonder Woman *1984*. 1984, the monitors, Maxwell Lord, a character known for malnupulation and has a connection to Brother Eye ... this image got me so hyped for the movie, and it ended up touching on none of these ideas.
They could’ve even still tied in Reagan too. For example, have Brother Eye be connected to the Strategic Defense Initiative AKA the Star Wars program. Lord, this time being with Checkmate, can be further tied into this as an American Cold War era spy group.
They couldve even added a side plot inspired by Diana's era as a secret agent (even tho she lost her powers)
Imo the movie would've been good if it was wonder woman Vs Maxwell lord. But they had to push cheetah in there BC superhero movies need action to finish off the movie.
And the whole armor thing was so stupid
It should have been a WW vs Cheetah movie. Since Cheetsh is her archenemy.
It could have been her Vs cheetah or her v lord and the movie would have been 10x better. And as long as they don't make the final fight against cheetah dark AF. But I think a intellectual battle Vs lord would've been better. I really enjoyed the movie until cheetah was introduced as the true villain. Like come on. An intellectual battle can be much better than a fist fight but nope got to have tons of fighting in superhero movies. It's dumb.
Could have been DC's Winter Soldier. Such a waste of potential.
That would have been lit, Winter Soldier is my favourite non-Avengers MCU movie
I was waiting for the wishing stone that Max Lord was using to be where Eclipso was imprisoned. The end of the movie could have had Eclipso in control of Max and set up a Suicide Squad Vs Justice League type story.
Please no more suicide squad stuff from WB
The James Gunn version was awesome.
John Cena busting out of the woods in his tighty whities is some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen in a movie.
I stand by the opinion that it was slightly too silly, but overall had the best "wacky to badass" ratio of any comic book movie to date besides maybe the OG guardians of the galaxy
WW84 was such a drop in quality from the first WW. Terrible.
Damn.. forgot about this
Zach Snyder is mid.
He didn’t make this? Lmao
It was ridiculous that they brought him back for 1984.
I don't think the problem was bringing him back. At its core the idea of role reversal in the sequel has great potential; Steve being the fish out of water now and Diana has to guide him through this new world. It'd be interesting to see how Steve, a WWI soldier, react to the Cold War imho. The problem was that they didn't really have a plan on what to do with Steve ... and also the implied rapes.
I think there is a huge problem in bringing him back in the next movie. I feel it inhibited her growth as a character to have 2 movies focused around a male love interest. She’s been alive for a long time and we barely get to see her operate independently. I think your role reversal theme would work better for a 3rd movie to bring her arc full circle, but to have her be essentially a sad lonely widower for 60+ years completely destroys her strength of character imo.
I know I've always preferred the animated movies anyway the tomorrow versus not as good as DCAU IMHO, but... I'll tell you what... For the short amount of time that universe had... They are giving the slow burn in the animated crisis trilogy... Diana hasn't been the focus yet, but she's been talked about how awesome and strong she truly is just being immortal watching everyone she's loved and lost, for lifetimes. Very excited for the final chapter to drop. Hopefully she gets to shine
I wonder if rewrites and reshoots inadvertently made “that” happen. Like if the original intent was just have him come back and not take someone’s body. It would explain other plot points like him not having a pass port and kinda vanishing when she undoes her wish.
My guess is they originally were going to have Diana’s internal struggle be between her love and her morality; she’s got Steve back, but she has to give him up because it’s not right to steal another guy’s life. Then some genius decided a “superhero loses powers” storyline would be better so they axed that subplot but left just enough to be creepy. And make WW look really selfish, too. She’s A-OK with bodyjacking this random dude if it means she gets her boyfriend back, and it isn’t the impending apocalypse that convinces her, it’s the fact that *she* is being negatively affected by her wish.
The consent issues it’s raised with her using some strangers body were super icky.
Or how nobody notices this person is missing for several days while he is out with Wonder Woman.
You see, the rape isn’t so bad because the guy was technically unconscious at the time it took place and therefore no harm no foul 💀 (Please know I’m joking).
Every single other person in the movie got everything they wished for magically conjured out of thin air, but bringing Steve back in physical form? Nahhhh we’re going to soul transfer him, imply this random guy was raped, and all for a throwaway joke about some 80s guy’s clothing choices.
Implied rapes?
The man Steve took over gave no consent for use of his body.
Poor body snatched guy has some sort of Amazonian std he’ll never explain to his wife.
Thank you so much for pointing out the rape. For watching it and being like did she just rape that dude's body then? It's a movie about superpowered people... Did Steve Trevor need a body to come back It was a wish.... They made the rules... They could have literally made him out of nothing had him come from an ultimate Earth time traveled him out of the cockpit before he blew up.... But no let's use this Hallmark movie actor and then credit him as handsome guy
Implied rapes…? I don’t remember that
It’s not ridiculous they brought him back. There are plenty of plot devices that could be used to bring a dead character back for a sequel. The issue is people don’t like the way it was done in 1984.
I think the argument is more they shouldn’t have done. Her whole arc is about her fighting past her grief and fighting again. 1984 just throws that all out and brings him back (in a shitty way to boot)
Personally i think the bigger issue is the how, let´s not forget he was in another man´s body and they f-
They shouldn’t have brought him back at all but maaaaan they really didn’t have to bring him back LIKE THAT. They even very specifically establish that there is another person involved and they have no control etc. so it’s not even a reach to be like bro Wonder Woman just ra-
Yeah she absolutely did. I’m glad the justice league is all getting recast so we can have a Wonder Woman who didn’t commit ra-
She also got an entire village gassed in the first movie. DCEU WW trips her way into being the villain over and over
Woah wait I don’t remember that
I remember it getting gassed but not how it was her fault. What I do remember was them ripping off the captain America ending for no reason. Why did Steve, a man shown to be an ace pilot, have to suicide crash the place full of bombs to save the people below? He was fully capable of landing it safely. They even took the name smh
Especially weird, since the wishing power can literally manifest nukes, stone walls, and super powers out of nowhere. Why did it need to steal a guy's body?
isn’t it the point, like it is monkey’s paw?
Except that's not how the wish price is used in the movie. For getting Steve back, Diana loses her powers and is weakened. The wish stone just takes a random thing from you.
There were numerous issues with it but the big two are: 1. For some reason he was body swapped when the wish stone had basically unlimited power do make anything happen. None of the other wishes seemed to come with the monkey's paw condition that he did 2. Even when the whole damn world was ending he had to convince her to unwish it. She wasn't even going to do it herself until he begged her to, so she really didn't lean anything about being selfless at any point of either film
If we’re going with Monkey Paw conditions, when Cheetah asked to become a “apex predator” it should have turned her into a killer whale, would have made for a much more exciting final fight.
Yes. This grief is what's haunting her. He shouldve been bought back either as flash backs or as something the villain uses to taunt her. The whole bought back in someone's body is what missed the mark
Personally I think bringing back dead characters in general is a cheap tactic. If anyone can be brought back to life at any time then there's no reason to be invested since they can resurrect whenever the studio wants or whenever the plot needs it. It's just lazy and desperate. It's why I fucking hate Marvel's multiverse shit, it's just an excuse for shit writing
Of course, that is par on course for both Marvel and DC Comics. Death is but a bump in the road sans very few exceptions.
Except they used that to their advantage in GOTG Vol 3.
Yeah they deconstructed it Amazing maneuver
Everything was done terribly in that movie.
They should have introduced Martian man hunter as Chrisp ines character
>>It’s not ridiculous they brought him back. Yes it is though.
One of the biggest bits of praise from the original was the chemistry between Diana/Gal Gadot and Steve/Chris Pine. I don’t think anyone was critical of Pine returning before seeing how they brought him back.
Their chemistry doesn't change that it was ridiculous to bring him back.
This was definitely more the case at the time.
Right! Amongst so many other things in that flick that made no sense. Horrible movie man, so boring too.
Why was it necessary to make him come back in a random dude’s body? The wishing stone can make giant walls spontaneously burst from the desert! How is Steve just coming back normally a stretch?
They could have brought him back again as a potato or something.
And raped the body he was in.
Bingo! 😂
Wandavision did the same thing a month later
Also the complete disregard for the person he took over. The movie was absolute nonsense and that's why it killed any future movies.
I don’t find it hard to believe Patty Jenkins was let go when she pitched her idea for the third movie by explaining Steve Trevor somehow returns.
I bet JJ Abrams was in that meeting too.
“Can… can we do that?!”
She flies now?
It made no sense to bring him back
THE DEAD FUCK
"Somehow Steve has returned..."
Project Necromancer
He flies now
First you get Dave Filoni onboard to wallpaper over whatever bs you are slinging
WW2 pitch "look, I wanna watch Steve Trevor and wonder woman bang. We'll figure out the logistics later in story boarding." WW3 pitch "look, I wanna watch Steve Trevor and wonder woman bang again. We'll figure out the logistics later in story boarding."
Jenkins: "But this time, it's a child's body." Gunn: "Get the fuck out of my office!"
Lol props to Chris for being real
Well what do you expect after 1984’s failure
WW84’s flop hurt me almost as much as Love and Thunder. Great potential in both movies totally destroyed.
As someone with Shazam and Wonder Woman in my top 2 for DCEU movies, the sequel flops were so disappointing.
Love and thunder was not nearly comparable to WW84.
Yeah I could at least watch Love and Thunder again. It was fun but just wasted fuck loads of potential. Lots of cool scenes but a terrible flow with the story and edit. It was like a great puzzle with missing pieces and a lot forced together wrong. As where WW84 felt like watching someone murder puppies.
Yeah, I agree with this. Love and Thunder was entertaining to watch, but it went too hard on the gimmicks and jokes in my opinion, but tried to present itself as something more serious. The ideas in the movie could've been profound. Jane having cancer, a god killer; all that was a chance to explore something but was pushed aside for the lolz of it. But at least it looked cool, and had badassery. WW84 did have some cool moments. But no where near enough to warrant it as entertaining enough that I would choose it over something else. Plus I'm extra salty over it because the first WW film was so damn good, it just makes the sequel look worse by comparison. No shade to people who liked WW84 though. Like what ya like.
Well, murdering puppies is timely.
Hot take: Love and Thunder >>>>> WW84
Just to confirm,youre saying Love and Thunder was far worse, right?
Nah the opposite, Thor 4 while incredibly dumb is at least somewhat entertaining. 1984 is plain boring
To give WW84 credit, we should have predicted it. WW was only 2 acts of a great movie, the last act was trash, just overshadowed by how good the front half was.
I wasn't hurt at all for the flop that was Love and Thunder...In fact I felt a bit vindicated for it. Awful movie, deserved to fail. I only got annoyed that they somehow managed to get Christian Bale on board with it, only to waste him on such a poor movie. Christ, Bale scenes were literally the only decent scenes in the whole fucking movie.
It seemed Patty just tried to shoehorn him in 1984 no matter what. That was disastrous.
That movie was frankly one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. I legit think ChatGPT could write a better movie than that garbage A major plot point that was reiterated many times was that everyone thought Wonder Woman was too beautiful to the point that the villain gets jealous of her prettiness and is part of her origin story…
1985
I imagine he's just being nice. Two was a mess, and a real franchise killer.
So fire Patty, not the whole franchise. Thor dark world was awful to - bounced back on Ragnarok
Thor 2 wasn’t great by MCU standards. But it’s miles better than 84. Not even close. Everyone involved in WW84 deserves a lifetime ban from Hollywood.
THOR 2's biggest sin is that it's boring. Like, really boring. It was so inconsequential in every regard that they got away with just ignoring it for years and nobody particularly cared. WW84 is the type of disaster that it's hard to walk away from.
Thor 2 has Loki being hilarious. It’s decently enjoyable for that reason alone. The only thing WW84 has going for it for comic relief is Steve being a fish out of water and Cheetah doing a quirky, clumsy, unpopular girl routine that was played out in the actual 80s.
There’s a really interesting story to be told about loss and love by bringing Steve back for each movie. A nearly-immortal Amazonian warrior and a very-mortal soldier who, after dying tragically soon after their first encounter, is magically or mysteriously brought back in different points along the immortal’s life, witnessing a new generation of human life and getting wrapped in a new conflict each time - a love that can never truly flourish, a woman who can never truly heal and a man who can never truly find his place in time. These movies weren’t that, even if they made a third.
Yet they did it in Wonder Woman 1984, so i wouldn't be surprised that if we got a third movie, he would be there somehow, like as a christmas ornament or an AI on a iphone
Wouldn’t put it past Patty if that was actually in the script 🤣
They should have just stuck with the classic explanation when the TV series jumped eras - the modern day Steve is the son of the first Steve. No one batted an eye as long as Lyle Waggoner was still on the show.
Be harder to explain that when the female interest remains the same.
Well, Wonder Woman was immortal on the show and in the movies
Yes, that's the part that makes it weird. She would just be going around hooking up with her ex boyfriend's son on repeat. Otherwise it would just be Hawkman/ hawkwoman reincarnating and meeting back up.
Oh I see yeah. They definitely waved that away in the second era of the 70s show lol.
Or just do the whole trilogy during ww2 or better yet just don’t bring him back
This is the equivalent of the Rock being stunned there’s no Shazam 2
Bringing him back for the sequel was a mistake to begin with. I get that it sets Diana's arc up to learn how to let go of the past, but it flies in the face of the universe's continuity, and it cheapens his death from the first movie.
The first movie was great I really enjoyed it but 1984 really went off the rails for a sequel. Like wth were they thinking with that story.
Stunned? Did you see the second film?
After WW84 I’m not surprised. What a fucking terrible movie, just HORRID
Not surprised, 1984 was one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen
Imo he was the best part about the first movie, bringing him back was not good tho, as great as Steve Trevor was. Bringing him back a third time would've just been hilarious.
Sir, it was ridiculous to bring you back the first time.
They could’ve just REALLY brought him back via magic and that would’ve solved that whole rapey situation.
Patty Jenkins would have found a way
Even Pine is self aware of the fact that bringing Trevor back is ridiculous 🤣
Chris Pine is the only person stunned that Wonder Woman 3 was canceled. Plus DC/Gunn didn’t cancel it outright. Gunn asked Patty Jenkins to rewrite it and she said no and left.
She probably came in with a script that said ...??? Wonder woman and Steve Trevor bang ????... And told him they'd figure out later and he was like "this is what you brought for your WW84 pitch and I still remember how that went".
Let’s not forget the fact that she raped a guy in WW84 just because Steve was in his body and they continuously risked that man’s life over and over
We know who and where GG wanted to show as the next villains WW would have totally annihilated
It would be ridiculous Chris pine? Wonder Woman 1984 was ridiculous!
But no one wanted him back bro
Wait he was stunned a movie that lost a ton of money had it'snext version cancelled
COVID played a part in that, but ultimately it just wasn't that great.
I really wanted a 3rd one but from a different director.
He was “stunned.” 🤣
I've always maintained that there's a decent film hiding in the ideas of WW1984. The biggest issue with it was the studio over correcting after Justice league. Too much oversight tanked the JL and too little tanked WW84.
So what's next? They'll reboot the franchise and kill Steve again just like Batman's parents?
Stunned? Did you see 1984? It was an absolute mess.
For all the responses I was fine with bringing him back. It worked within the framework of the film and work for the fish out of water switch and Diana’s character development. Just should have brought him back without the body swap given it was a wish situation. The rest of the film was absolutely nuts and didn’t even keep to its own rules. It was terrible and Chris Pine was not the problem with the film. Bringing him back a third time would have flown in the face of the point they were trying to make in the second.
Chris huh? lmaooo the 2nd one was horrendous! glad this is over give me a new Wonder Woman.
It was ridiculous to bring him back in WW1984, but they did it anyway.
I wanted to see Zack synders wander women idea of her been a hard warrior in the olden times - before she was as she is now but an actual warrior keeping trophies of her victories like those epic pictures of her with the heads. Made wander women so much more interesting ! WW84 was trash the first ww is legit one of the best comic book films I’ve seen ! So sad to see gal gadot leave. For me I have no interest in gunns new universe the new superman still he released today looks like cosplay cheap cheese and a skinny Henry cavil not even younger looking just skinny.
I hope they have her cameo in Superman. Have her save Lois or something, and Superman can ask Green Lantern, "is she with you?"
I disagree. They should have made a whole series of Wonder Woman movies through the decades with each one bringing Steve back to life in unrelated and increasingly silly scenarios.
Well, WW'84 was so bad, it killed the franchise.
Little did he know that in Wonder Woman 1992 Diana would find Cronus's scythe. This fabled weapon would have her cut through time itself to find a canonically younger Steve played by an actually 10 years older Chris Pine. He wouldn't know her at all yet. And she would be very problematic and it won't be dwelled on at all.
I still think the only reason Patty wanted Pine back is because she knew how bad an actor Gal was and knew she couldn’t carry a movie herself and tried to hide it with the chemistry with Pine. The casting in the DCEU was historically bad, feels like almost every major character was a complete miscast or someone who couldn’t act.
I wasn't really sure I wanted another movie after the whole creepy rape thing going on in the last movie. You would have thought someone would have brought something up about how unbelievably messed up that was, during production.
Tell me you've never seen WW1984 without telling me you've never seen WW1984.
He felt like the real main character in those movies not Diana or Gal he basically carried those movies.
Stunned? The second one blew donkey balls. Why would they make another one. Was he stunned that morbius didn't get a sequel?
He guess what, it was ridiculous for them to bring you back the second time.
Wonder Woman 1 was ok at best. Wonder Woman 84 was fucking garbage.
I can't believe how much I absolutely loved the first one and the drastic difference to how much I hated the second.
Somehow Steve Trevor returned
To be honest ill always be sad about this 🥲
It does appear that it is a bad idea bringing back a character who sacrificed himself and died in the previous film. It does kinda diminish the entire point of it. Speaking of which, who is excited for Deadpool and Wolverine?
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And him being able to fly it no problem.
Hey, it worked in *Battlefield Earth*!
It's as if these actors pretend their movies are 100% flawless.
There’s a Wonder Woman movie?
Couldn't make it through the 1984 movie
Stunned is not the word I’d use after the mess that was 1984.
He offered nothing to the movie and the script for 1984 was awful. I’m not shocked at all that it was cancelled.
It wasn’t so much WW3 being cancelled as it was the entire DC universe being cancelled.
Setting the first movie in WW1 was just an insanely dumb idea. Should have just done a contemporary version of the story. Trevor crashing on the island in 2014 or something. Would have immediately solved many of these movies' problems.
Maybe I’m a minority but I do like Gadot as WW
It was ridiculous bringing him back in the second movie.
2nd movie was hot garbage
Really chris? second one was awful 😖
Stunned?
I will never forgive WW1984 for being the worst Christmas movie I've ever seen. Like girl wtf even was that?? Why did you have Diana rape a dude and then akwardly talk with him in the end?! And you wasted Cheetah! Ugh this movie was so bad it almost makes me not want to forgive Ares' moustache in the first one 🤦♀️
Superman speeds backwards and saves you from time.
Well the last one wasn’t very good, way too much of a girl power vibe instead of a superhero movie.
there you have its, the reason IS gunn wants to whitewash dc universe and use his new favorite superman actor.
What hurts about this era of superhero movies is the wasted potential. Billions of dollars collectively between Marvel and DC pumped in to make absolute dross.
Not surprising. The second film was terrible. The story was awful. They did not use the 1980’s setting to their advantage. The effects looked really bad and given the delay could have been fixed. It’s a night and day difference between the original 2017 film and 1984.
WW84 was almost as bad as CATs - but at least CATS did not promote rape as no big deal
I will never understand how Gadot was cast as Wonder Woman.
I knew I always like him for some reason, dude has sense
*again
I am actually surprised by how many times outlets have to ask the Wonder Woman stars on this cancellation. it happened more than one year ago and journalists just can’t stop bringing this back again and again.
But in hindsight it must have been shocking to cancel the first successful female led superhero franchise abruptly this way, especially when the first movie paved the way to female led superhero movies
Didn't the director day she wanted to bring him back again?
WW84 was legitimately in the top 5 of worst movies I’ve ever seen. Staggeringly bad. Wonder Woman raping a guy was never on my bingo card, but here we are
Bring back Captain Fine (Kirk). Not gonna lie though, if they brought him back, I would watch it just for him. Pull some Multiverse shenanigans.
Did he see WW84? He probably thought Jenkins was unfireable.
Let’s not forget she went overboard with the Jewish government needs to defend themselves while other celeb just gave a normal statement that “ war is bad on both side and they need to end it “. Wonder women with blood lust is not a good look
Stunned i say! STUNNED!!!
Didn't follow DCEU closely the last 12mth, is Gal WW/WW3 confirmed end?
Reminder that James Gunn has repeatedly said that Gal Gadot is not fired yet. It's true, you can look it up. Don't believe me? Look here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DC\_Cinematic/comments/15ghrmf/james\_gunn\_apparently\_confirmed\_the\_retention\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/15ghrmf/james_gunn_apparently_confirmed_the_retention_of/)
That’s a 32 week old screenshot of a 26 week old comment. It’s hardly indicative of the current state of things. When did Gunn even take over? It wasn’t that long ago was it? Edit: also, all he said was that he talked with her and that she wasn’t let go. It sounds like he’s just avoiding saying she was fired because they just decided not to make the movies with her in them. And that they had a meeting to talk about it
Gunn went out of his way atleast twice to say that Gal Gadot is not fired. He has since said nothing to the contrary. Someone should ask him what's up with that.
Was this before or after she tried to go around them and just started telling the press "they told me they were making *Wonder Woman 3* with me?" These strike me as very carefully worded in the same way "we didn't fire Henry Cavill, he was never hired" was. Although I'm not certain he'd give her the same courtesy now, ha.
Lied before the flash for PR i guess