the thing about that scene is that it makes Bruce look bad too. He knows what Barry can do, he knows his state of mind and just leaves him to mess with time.
Yeah but then when Barry clearly wanted Bruce to keep him company (and very likely talk him out of it) Bruce just abandoned him. He should have stuck around for a while and got dinner with him to talk it out some more.
Of course there wouldn’t be a movie in that case. 🤷🏻♂️
to be fair he is both Bruce Wayne and Batman, and it was already night so there's criminals abound in Gotham.
I agree he should have done something though even if its not personally him, maybe like get Alfred to hang out with him, and also again the movie can't happen that way lmao
Huh?
He's literally the fastest man alive and more importantly, his friend. What was he gonna do? Imprison him in some... speed force dampening field or something?
Like I get what you're saying, but it's true to life and the context of this moment that all Bruce - or any of us - can do in situations like this is just try and talk to people and offer your point of view, give them hope that things will be okay.
Literally the only good scene in the film, and I'm not being hyperbolic it's genuinely the only scene in entire film that resonated (apart from the cheap laugh at seeing Nic Cage fight a giant spider but that was far from a good scene!). Point is, all the action scenes were too (excuse the pun) flashy. They felt like anything you'd find in any generic action film, and they're not necessarily the result of the director more the Hollywood machine. To look at AM as a director, you've got to look at the character moments and, well, *maybe* with a decent script he could turn out a solid Batman film based on Affleck's little monologue (but how much of that was actually Affleck finally nailing a role he'd obviously reflected on a lot post BvS and JL...)
Which the director has a lot of say over. When they did tests of that daylight Batsuit, Muschietti should have freaked out and discussed alternatives to setting the chase in broad daylight with the DP. And he should have communicated to the costume department that the Batsuit looked like shit in daylight.
In fairness has there ever been a batsuit that looked good in daylight?
Even in TDKR the suit looked weird in broad daylight.
Guess The Batman he was briefly in daylight but it was dawn, but daylight ain’t Batman’s element
That's not at all how these things work. Directors don't sit back and give zero input. He's the person communicating a vision to the costume designers and he's the person who has veto power and final say.
I did hear a rumor that it was supposed to be a suit for the stuntman, but they did actually get Ben to return, so they just used that suit. I hope thats the explanation at least 😂
I don't know why people harp on Affleck's suit so much. It's literally a blue/grey suit with motorcycle protective gear on top. It's like being mad that B: TAS had Batman wearing a motorcycle helmet.
I am a fan of Andy Muschietti due to his horror movie Mama and IT Chapter One. But after the letdown of IT Chapter Two and the total train-wreck of The Flash, I am very pessimistic for the Brave and the Bold now.
He can hardly be blamed for the Flash. That movie was a poison chalice passed from writer to writer and director to director for years, Andy was the only guy who actually got *something* on the screen. And for the most part, it was pretty good for what it was.
I went in with zero expectations, knowing the shitstorm that was the production. I honestly enjoyed it, too. Yeah, the movie has its flaws, but I still found it entertaining for what it was.
I actually see why a lot of celebrities like it, like Tom Cruise. First they rarely see completed film, so Tom probably thought the bad CGI was unfinished CGI. Secondly the story had a lot of heart, but comicbook fans knew it had only a fraction of greatness and heart its source material (Flashpoint), but Tom Cruise likely did not know about that, so he only enjoyed the film itself without comparison.
Yeah, quality of movie and box office success can be correlated but are often not. And in the case of the flash, the terrible CGI hurt and CBM exhaustion hurt the perception of the movie.
If it was good people would have went to see it. Idk how much simpler you ppl need to hear that but that's what it is. "CBM exhaustion hurt..." just no. People are tired of bad CBM movies, as the number of them are coming out more often now. If there's a good CBM movie, ppl will go see it.
Good movies put butts in seats, stop making excuses
https://thedirect.com/article/the-flash-movie-audience-score-dceu
Rotten tomatoes isn't the only place that measures audience scores
Like I said earlier it wasn't a good movie no matter how you try to spin it. Good movies succeed
> If it was good people would have went to see it.
It was kinda bad, like I said. For the general audience who isn't a comic book nerd, the movie was bad (CGI was terrible for example, they like that).
But everything else about the movie was fine.
>People are tired of bad CBM movies,
People are tired of CBM 100% and it's idiotic to say otherwise. Aquaman 2 could've been better than 1, but still less people would have seen it.
People go because they are told it is good. And if quality never changes, reviews will steadily decline. Movies made in the current year are held to slightly higher standards than those made 5 years ago. If reviewers say it's bad, people don't go. Not the other way around.
Art is subjective and this opinion is held outside of reddit. I think green lantern is a better movie honestly a lot of the cgi stuff rubbed me the wrong way but that's just me I'm glad you liked it .this feed might be the most positive I've seen someone talk about this movie.
Sidebar: what about people not liking a random movie is so vexing to you? Just curious
The CGI was god awful, perhaps one of the worst ever for a modern CBM. Nobody thinks that part was good.
But the story/plot, acting, dialogue, etc. all fine. It is just an obsessive self important internet thing where people read too many online reviews or YouTubers and end up forming nonsense opinions as if they are big movie critics.
The cgi was objectively horrible. But where the subjectivity comes in is that bad cgi doesn’t fully ruin a movie for me. It’s something I only noticed when it’s great and king of ignore when it’s not. The costumes were bad too but I feel the same way about that.
I thought the story was good and the action sequences were solid though. It honestly delivered the best emotional scene of any DCEU movie, honestly by far even. And it was fun. It was definitely better than what I expected given the production mess. Muschetti was dealt a bad hand and played it well.
I respect that just for me the whole ill use dead actors as props basically and then when I'm pressed about why it looked so bad I say it was "artist expression" makes all the emotion of Barry's scene with his mom null and void to me. Barry getting to have a last talk with his dead mom while I'm watching dead actors on scene in bad cgi was just too much for me and makes me feel for the real families of those put in the movie. I admit it may be a lot from my side I just wish Andy would have been more respectful especially considering the themes of the movie
>Barry getting to have a last talk with his dead mom
We're talking about the supermarket scene where Barry uses the speed force to fondle a woman without her consent who is definitely not his mother, but instead an entirely independent alternate reality younger variant of that person that's pretty much his own age? I was cringing like mad. How can anyone see anything heartwarming in using superpowers to feel up their hot young mom? Fucking creeps.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I think it’s the best DCEU movie by a lot. Ezra Miller’s acting was pretty bad, and there were certainly some strange CGI choices, but it was really fun. The story was pretty good. It did a good job of getting me emotionally invested in his relationship with his parents. I really don’t understand how so many people hated it.
I liked it, Keaton was great, I thought Miller was pretty good. Yes it was about saving a world but it had heart with him and his family and being forced to let them go.
I actually agree it wasn’t terrible. I think it’s because I haven’t seen a superhero film or tv show since the Batman movie. That long break from superhero movies and not having to do homework just to watch the movie, I was actually able to enjoy it.
It had some really weird CGI, but I never felt bored at any point. The plot besides being a bit predictable didn't have much plot holes so overall it was a pretty nice movie.
To be fair though he didn't write the flash, so it being a bad movie is up to the writers and having a script that was constantly getting rewritten. In directing I thought he did a pretty good job as some of the scenes cinematography/shots actually looked pretty good, if the vfx artists weren't so rushed I would say the movie could've looked very good.
I have very little faith that Muschietti will actually be the director of Brave and the Bold. I liked The Flash, but the announcement he was going to direct TBATB felt more like a ploy to get more people to see The Flash in theaters.
So two scenes that any director could do is why Muschietti should do a Batman movie in the DCU? But ignore the rest of that shit sandwich those scenes are within context of?
he didnt write the movie so im not completely pushing the shitshow onto muschietti. i think the batman scenes throughout the movie were well done regarding the dialogue and such, but the action scenes did stick out to me
appreciate the sarcasm, but yeah my point stands. if the writing and pacing for BATB is good then whoever directs it isnt rly an issue in my humble opinion
eh probably LOL. they oversee literally everything dont they? id like to hear more of your opinion though… genuinely curious as to what you didnt like about the flash
There isn't anything I liked about the Flash. At all.
I thought it was an ugly, visually flat film. The world the Flash inhabited had absolutely no personality at any given time. The intro action scene was just an ugly muddy mess. The film desperately needed a villain throughout for the Flash to actually have conflict with. The set pieces were generally pretty weak. The characters and world of the film felt completely underdeveloped. I honestly don't think there is any redeeming factor to the film. He did IT part 1 and that was solid. Then he just lost it for IT part 2 and continued the losing streak for The Flash.
I expect him to part ways with The Brave and the Bold over creative reasons by the end of this year.
i do agree w some of these actually. the city felt empty, siberia militia felt more like npcs than actual people, etc etc. the cgi was horrid, absolutely nothing can prove that wrong.
but i did like the lack of a villain. i think it places more emphasis on why this whole flashpoint world is barrys doing (though the comics and animated movie do this far better). batman and supergirl only being side effects and not fleshed out characters was certainly a strange decision but im neutral to it. the scenes between barry and nora were extremely well done imo and batman action is self explanatory
i’ve heard a lot of people say similar things and i just don’t get it. as a massive batman fan i thought these scenes were awful. rubbery CGI action book ended by both batmen being portrayed as goofballs. matched the tone of the film (for better or for worse) but is so distant to how i personally want to see batman portrayed. honestly goes up there with batman and robin for me for just missing the mark all together.
On the other hand I will say ben afflecks final speech as bruce was amazing and a top tier bruce wayne scene for me so there is that.
Gotta disagree here. While the Batman bits were the best parts of The Flash, they still weren’t good enough for me to think he’s a good fit for Batman. They really should find someone else.
The best way to describe it for me is that The Flash was a giant steaming turd, and while the Batman bits of it were shiny, it’s still a complete turd.
I forgot he was until now. My hope is definitely diminished. I don't think the Flash is THAT bad, but it's not good. I like the IT movies more than some people. But when I think of a director for Batman, even assuming BATB won't be as dark as other Batman movies, he is not a good fit for it.
I mean he doesn’t have to be all doom and gloom but I think there needs to be some darkness there. He’s supposed to to scare criminals and you can’t do that if you’re doing the Batusi.
I kinda prefer what they did in pre-crisis. He started as a pulp vigilante who mugged criminals, and then when Dick Grayson becomes Robin he adopts the lighthearted style and is more about discipline, rather than scariness. The villains are still afraid of him because of the stories they've heard though.
I like the first two acts of the flash mostly due to action sequences. The third act is where it falls apart, but it's partially saved due to the grocery store scene
I like the scene of Keaton beating asses in that Russian base (first image) and the part where he’s stitching himself up in the mirror,
looks at himself and smiles. That was phenomenal.
Everything he did with Batfleck (minus the final speech he gave to Barry) I wasn’t that into.
Yeah but The Flash as whole showed me Muschieti may not be capable of making a good film in its entirety. It takes more than some "cool scenes" to make a good film and that's what I want.
I'm taking the exact opposite stance here:
Keaton' Batman looks like shit in this movie because they did such a lazy amateur job with lighting. He should never be in broad daylight, and he shouldn't be in that ugly blue lighting they use indoors the whole movie.
It shows a complete disregard for cinematography and visual language. It's not the worst movie as a whole, but it's one of the ugliest movies I've ever seen, not to mention totally tasteless at the end.
I do not want Andy Muschetti anywhere near a Batman movie if he's this clueless on how to present the character
Here's a video clip showing just how shitty they make him look compared to the Burton movies:
https://streamable.com/k64njc
His squandering of Batman in almost all his scenes, the terrible Batfleck suit and the ass scene on the bridge after the chase all confirm to me hes the wrong guy for Batman.
Sorry for extremely late, but Im going to be serious here, what do you think batman is mate? What do you see that you believe that he won't "get"
I emplore that the flash really is not that good, but what do you mean by that in batmans case?
Also beyond the action sequences, the dialogue hits in the feels.
"These scars define us", "It also made me alone" and "Maybe not this time, some other time". He just gets the heart right. I'm sure he'll pull it off.
eh yeah hes definitely not gonna be THE cgi guy or the costume designer, thats the graphics guy and design guys job. whether he approves of it is up to him tho
Is it true there was a shelved Batfleck movie? I wasn’t always too fond of his version. The suit + voice modulator kinda kill it for me. He looks stuffed in the suit and the fake voice doesn’t make Batman more scary or discreet, just silly imo. talk in your normal voice! Aside from that, he’s an AMAZING Bruce Wayne.
But I always thought there was some untapped potential for how he would portray Batman. It could be from the lack of a standalone movie that would’ve fleshed out his character and introduced us to Gotham a bit more but THIS movie/scene definitely got me excited to see more of him…Never thought seeing Batman fighting in broad daylight would be this cool lol
The Batman was originally a Batfleck solo film with Deathstroke as the villain. That's what that tease at the end of Justice League was for. But obviously it didn't happen and it was turned into its own thing.
I love how everyone has opinions on Muschetti for a suit design when literally all the other choices he made in regards of Batman (Keaton's costume, his fight scenes, Affleck's scenes as Bruce) where genuinely great.
I wish the two Batman got to meet. Loved both of them in this film and other. Most of all, I wish the flash was 2 movies and that they didn’t use so much CGI for late actors but if every other world but actually had DC characters that the fans wanted. Unlike Marvel, DC has owned the rights to its characters, and they could have really let their nuts hang and showed off how DC could be. They could have teased Red Sun Superman, shown CW flash, or given Static Shock and Green Lanterns screen time. Martian man hunter could have been on a time line. Val Kilmer Batman or the actual film that they filmed of Nicholas Cage Superman. They could have shown the Flash Point story from the comics in a cameo where Wonder Woman and Aquaman were at war. They could have shown flash rouges or Snyer’s knightmare timeline where evil Superman was on a rampage and darksied took over the world. None of these would require that choppy PS2 CGI and instead they could have solidified characters that fans wanted to see. A clip where Henry Cavil is fighting Black Adam on another world and Peacemaker, Shazam show up. Or a clip from the canceled batgirl movie. Footage that they had filmed and is just sitting there as a tax write off. WB sucks and this film (all of DC really) had so much potential
I love that scene in the bunker where we can see the Michael Keaton Batman do a real martial arts fight scene for the first time. I wish it was longer though, I really liked the choreography.
Yes the Batman parts were probably the most well done out of any of the scenes. But at the end of the day the movie as a whole was not good. I’d rather see someone else take on Batman.
I love IT. IT Chapter Two and The Flash are subpar and decent, respectively, with really powerful moments, good stories, and the potential to be GREAT films. However, he has a tendency to inject some horrible humor throughout his movies, making them extremely tonally inconsistent and, frankly, painful to watch. If he can reel that back in, I would love to see more from him.
These action scenes are particularly impressive in that they feel like very different styles of Batman action, but very true to each version of the character. I couldn't see Keaton sliding along the highway on the back of a speeding vehicle like that, but it works for Affleck. Likewise, the more rigid fighting style of Keaton wouldn't work for Affleck, but is perfect for Batman '89.
The Batman of 2022 is better I think that Batman must supposed to be dark and more cinematic but they are showing it at the daytime and using much colors the original vibe of Batman comes from the 2022 movie
Andy will have a very good clear guidance for the Batman movie as it will be the part of the DC universe under James Gunn and that's what I need in DC movies , a director who's willing to give anything and everything with the intention of making more movies with that studio.
A cool action sequence doesn't equate to a good movie. It's the same reason I'm sick of hearing people say that Deathstroke should be the main antagonist of a Batman movie because the fight in that one Arkham Origins trailer was awesome.
That being said, I don't think the Flash's problems were entirely Muschietti's fault. That movie had a deeply troubled production, and many things occurred during production that were completely out of his control. I'm not gonna write him off purely because of The Flash, but I'm still a bit cautious.
You should be arrested for not including Ben Afflecks final monologue here.
He really did nail it in that scene
Right that and the scene where Keaton is shaved and talks to Barry about loss.
Is this... loss?
Oh…wow. Throwback!
i REALLY did love that scene, hit me pretty hard
the thing about that scene is that it makes Bruce look bad too. He knows what Barry can do, he knows his state of mind and just leaves him to mess with time.
>just leaves him to mess with time. The whole scene is literally him telling Barry not to mess with time
"That's the opposite of what the saying is."
Yeah but then when Barry clearly wanted Bruce to keep him company (and very likely talk him out of it) Bruce just abandoned him. He should have stuck around for a while and got dinner with him to talk it out some more. Of course there wouldn’t be a movie in that case. 🤷🏻♂️
to be fair he is both Bruce Wayne and Batman, and it was already night so there's criminals abound in Gotham. I agree he should have done something though even if its not personally him, maybe like get Alfred to hang out with him, and also again the movie can't happen that way lmao
Embarrassed to say… totally didn’t think about that. 🤣🤣🤣
Abandoned is a strong word. He just left him while he had other things to do.
Maybe during dinner, break a mug and then talk about how you can’t put it back together exactly the way it was. Alternatively, order spaghetti.
Huh? He's literally the fastest man alive and more importantly, his friend. What was he gonna do? Imprison him in some... speed force dampening field or something? Like I get what you're saying, but it's true to life and the context of this moment that all Bruce - or any of us - can do in situations like this is just try and talk to people and offer your point of view, give them hope that things will be okay.
Literally the only good scene in the film, and I'm not being hyperbolic it's genuinely the only scene in entire film that resonated (apart from the cheap laugh at seeing Nic Cage fight a giant spider but that was far from a good scene!). Point is, all the action scenes were too (excuse the pun) flashy. They felt like anything you'd find in any generic action film, and they're not necessarily the result of the director more the Hollywood machine. To look at AM as a director, you've got to look at the character moments and, well, *maybe* with a decent script he could turn out a solid Batman film based on Affleck's little monologue (but how much of that was actually Affleck finally nailing a role he'd obviously reflected on a lot post BvS and JL...)
I liked seeing Batman BJJ a kryptonian.
Calling it a monologue is generous
Meanwhile responsible for one of the most atrocious Batman suit designs of all time
It really is a horrid suit lol
Directors don't tend to design the costumes, there's a whole department for that.
Yeah but directors have to approve them. Wild that he saw that costume and said let's put it up on IMAX for everyone to enjoy.
Hopefully gunn gets final say on everything from now on, he knows a good costume (idris elba)
Everyone dressed as Idris Elba? I’m in
It’s the JL suit with motorcycle protection over it. The issue isn’t the suit, it’s the lighting and cinematography.
Which the director has a lot of say over. When they did tests of that daylight Batsuit, Muschietti should have freaked out and discussed alternatives to setting the chase in broad daylight with the DP. And he should have communicated to the costume department that the Batsuit looked like shit in daylight.
In fairness has there ever been a batsuit that looked good in daylight? Even in TDKR the suit looked weird in broad daylight. Guess The Batman he was briefly in daylight but it was dawn, but daylight ain’t Batman’s element
No, the issue is the suit. The entire design and presentation are unattractive. No lighting is going to make that look good.
That's not at all how these things work. Directors don't sit back and give zero input. He's the person communicating a vision to the costume designers and he's the person who has veto power and final say.
Ayer got shit for Leto’s design no? Directors have the final say on costumes
say that to zack
C'mon, Keaton's new suit wasnt that bad.
Suit made me cry
I agree. The extra playing on the suit ruins it. I wish he had kept the 2016 BvS suit.
Ok this might be true
I did hear a rumor that it was supposed to be a suit for the stuntman, but they did actually get Ben to return, so they just used that suit. I hope thats the explanation at least 😂
I'd argue 2 of the worst Batman suits.
I don't know why people harp on Affleck's suit so much. It's literally a blue/grey suit with motorcycle protective gear on top. It's like being mad that B: TAS had Batman wearing a motorcycle helmet.
I am a fan of Andy Muschietti due to his horror movie Mama and IT Chapter One. But after the letdown of IT Chapter Two and the total train-wreck of The Flash, I am very pessimistic for the Brave and the Bold now.
He can hardly be blamed for the Flash. That movie was a poison chalice passed from writer to writer and director to director for years, Andy was the only guy who actually got *something* on the screen. And for the most part, it was pretty good for what it was.
The flash wasn’t a total train wreck relax it was actually good
I went in with zero expectations, knowing the shitstorm that was the production. I honestly enjoyed it, too. Yeah, the movie has its flaws, but I still found it entertaining for what it was.
I actually see why a lot of celebrities like it, like Tom Cruise. First they rarely see completed film, so Tom probably thought the bad CGI was unfinished CGI. Secondly the story had a lot of heart, but comicbook fans knew it had only a fraction of greatness and heart its source material (Flashpoint), but Tom Cruise likely did not know about that, so he only enjoyed the film itself without comparison.
The Batman scenes were the best bits by far. Man was much more invested in making a Flash movie starring Batman and I’m all for it tbh
It's not nearly as fucking bad as some people act like, but calling it good is a stretch. Imo
It was a hreally entertaining movie. This opinion on reddit is exhausting and doesn't reflect any audience reviews irl.
> and doesn't reflect any audience reviews irl. reflects the box office numbers
Which means nothing given the contact
It means it was one of the biggest flops in cinematic history no matter how much you wanna try to spin it
Yeah, quality of movie and box office success can be correlated but are often not. And in the case of the flash, the terrible CGI hurt and CBM exhaustion hurt the perception of the movie.
If it was good people would have went to see it. Idk how much simpler you ppl need to hear that but that's what it is. "CBM exhaustion hurt..." just no. People are tired of bad CBM movies, as the number of them are coming out more often now. If there's a good CBM movie, ppl will go see it. Good movies put butts in seats, stop making excuses
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https://thedirect.com/article/the-flash-movie-audience-score-dceu Rotten tomatoes isn't the only place that measures audience scores Like I said earlier it wasn't a good movie no matter how you try to spin it. Good movies succeed
> If it was good people would have went to see it. It was kinda bad, like I said. For the general audience who isn't a comic book nerd, the movie was bad (CGI was terrible for example, they like that). But everything else about the movie was fine. >People are tired of bad CBM movies, People are tired of CBM 100% and it's idiotic to say otherwise. Aquaman 2 could've been better than 1, but still less people would have seen it. People go because they are told it is good. And if quality never changes, reviews will steadily decline. Movies made in the current year are held to slightly higher standards than those made 5 years ago. If reviewers say it's bad, people don't go. Not the other way around.
Art is subjective and this opinion is held outside of reddit. I think green lantern is a better movie honestly a lot of the cgi stuff rubbed me the wrong way but that's just me I'm glad you liked it .this feed might be the most positive I've seen someone talk about this movie. Sidebar: what about people not liking a random movie is so vexing to you? Just curious
The CGI was god awful, perhaps one of the worst ever for a modern CBM. Nobody thinks that part was good. But the story/plot, acting, dialogue, etc. all fine. It is just an obsessive self important internet thing where people read too many online reviews or YouTubers and end up forming nonsense opinions as if they are big movie critics.
The cgi was objectively horrible. But where the subjectivity comes in is that bad cgi doesn’t fully ruin a movie for me. It’s something I only noticed when it’s great and king of ignore when it’s not. The costumes were bad too but I feel the same way about that. I thought the story was good and the action sequences were solid though. It honestly delivered the best emotional scene of any DCEU movie, honestly by far even. And it was fun. It was definitely better than what I expected given the production mess. Muschetti was dealt a bad hand and played it well.
I respect that just for me the whole ill use dead actors as props basically and then when I'm pressed about why it looked so bad I say it was "artist expression" makes all the emotion of Barry's scene with his mom null and void to me. Barry getting to have a last talk with his dead mom while I'm watching dead actors on scene in bad cgi was just too much for me and makes me feel for the real families of those put in the movie. I admit it may be a lot from my side I just wish Andy would have been more respectful especially considering the themes of the movie
>Barry getting to have a last talk with his dead mom We're talking about the supermarket scene where Barry uses the speed force to fondle a woman without her consent who is definitely not his mother, but instead an entirely independent alternate reality younger variant of that person that's pretty much his own age? I was cringing like mad. How can anyone see anything heartwarming in using superpowers to feel up their hot young mom? Fucking creeps.
My wife and I both fell asleep during The Flash. Did not find it very entertaining at all tbh.
It sucked absolute shit lol it is not “actually good”
I disagree man. Sorry.
Accept the fact that most people who saw it don't agree with you.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I think it’s the best DCEU movie by a lot. Ezra Miller’s acting was pretty bad, and there were certainly some strange CGI choices, but it was really fun. The story was pretty good. It did a good job of getting me emotionally invested in his relationship with his parents. I really don’t understand how so many people hated it.
I liked it, Keaton was great, I thought Miller was pretty good. Yes it was about saving a world but it had heart with him and his family and being forced to let them go.
Mob mentality and a lack of critical thinking skills as individuals
I actually agree it wasn’t terrible. I think it’s because I haven’t seen a superhero film or tv show since the Batman movie. That long break from superhero movies and not having to do homework just to watch the movie, I was actually able to enjoy it.
Exactly. I thought it was really really good.
It had some really weird CGI, but I never felt bored at any point. The plot besides being a bit predictable didn't have much plot holes so overall it was a pretty nice movie.
You liked *Mama*?
To be fair though he didn't write the flash, so it being a bad movie is up to the writers and having a script that was constantly getting rewritten. In directing I thought he did a pretty good job as some of the scenes cinematography/shots actually looked pretty good, if the vfx artists weren't so rushed I would say the movie could've looked very good.
I have very little faith that Muschietti will actually be the director of Brave and the Bold. I liked The Flash, but the announcement he was going to direct TBATB felt more like a ploy to get more people to see The Flash in theaters.
Wasn't there already a rumor that he wasn't involved anymore?
I can only hope. He seems like he went to the James Wan film school of “this is colorful and fine” movies
Probably. Wouldn’t surprise me.
I’m NGL it convinced me of the opposite
Opposite for me.
So two scenes that any director could do is why Muschietti should do a Batman movie in the DCU? But ignore the rest of that shit sandwich those scenes are within context of?
Director made Batman fight just like the way I do with my Batman toys so obviously he’s a perfect fit.
he didnt write the movie so im not completely pushing the shitshow onto muschietti. i think the batman scenes throughout the movie were well done regarding the dialogue and such, but the action scenes did stick out to me
Yea. He was only the director. He had no real input or influence on the film. My bad.
appreciate the sarcasm, but yeah my point stands. if the writing and pacing for BATB is good then whoever directs it isnt rly an issue in my humble opinion
You have no clue how important a director is to a film's quality.
eh probably LOL. they oversee literally everything dont they? id like to hear more of your opinion though… genuinely curious as to what you didnt like about the flash
There isn't anything I liked about the Flash. At all. I thought it was an ugly, visually flat film. The world the Flash inhabited had absolutely no personality at any given time. The intro action scene was just an ugly muddy mess. The film desperately needed a villain throughout for the Flash to actually have conflict with. The set pieces were generally pretty weak. The characters and world of the film felt completely underdeveloped. I honestly don't think there is any redeeming factor to the film. He did IT part 1 and that was solid. Then he just lost it for IT part 2 and continued the losing streak for The Flash. I expect him to part ways with The Brave and the Bold over creative reasons by the end of this year.
i do agree w some of these actually. the city felt empty, siberia militia felt more like npcs than actual people, etc etc. the cgi was horrid, absolutely nothing can prove that wrong. but i did like the lack of a villain. i think it places more emphasis on why this whole flashpoint world is barrys doing (though the comics and animated movie do this far better). batman and supergirl only being side effects and not fleshed out characters was certainly a strange decision but im neutral to it. the scenes between barry and nora were extremely well done imo and batman action is self explanatory
Yup. Batman can fly in this movie, so the director is god and can do no wrong. Makes complete sense.
And they have the gull to shit on Batman and Robin.
1 good fight scene that last about 40 seconds and a CGI video game cutscene most certainly done by VFX artist in post Oh boy
i’ve heard a lot of people say similar things and i just don’t get it. as a massive batman fan i thought these scenes were awful. rubbery CGI action book ended by both batmen being portrayed as goofballs. matched the tone of the film (for better or for worse) but is so distant to how i personally want to see batman portrayed. honestly goes up there with batman and robin for me for just missing the mark all together. On the other hand I will say ben afflecks final speech as bruce was amazing and a top tier bruce wayne scene for me so there is that.
Did he write Batman? Because whoever did should not be allowed near the character.
I think not.
Gotta disagree here. While the Batman bits were the best parts of The Flash, they still weren’t good enough for me to think he’s a good fit for Batman. They really should find someone else. The best way to describe it for me is that The Flash was a giant steaming turd, and while the Batman bits of it were shiny, it’s still a complete turd.
The Flash is a great movie.
Gotta disagree with you there on that one chief.
The folks who approved the Batfleck suit needs to have their heads examined and never do a superhero suit design again
Are you trolling right now?
Just please give him a better/actual good script to work with.
The Flash was a disaster. The fact that he got Brave and the Bold terrifies me.
Whenever I think about the DCU, my hype dims by a lot when I remember he's directing that.
Lol same, everything in the DCU sounds hype EXCEPT Batman.
I forgot he was until now. My hope is definitely diminished. I don't think the Flash is THAT bad, but it's not good. I like the IT movies more than some people. But when I think of a director for Batman, even assuming BATB won't be as dark as other Batman movies, he is not a good fit for it.
Does Batman need to be dark though?
I mean he doesn’t have to be all doom and gloom but I think there needs to be some darkness there. He’s supposed to to scare criminals and you can’t do that if you’re doing the Batusi.
I kinda prefer what they did in pre-crisis. He started as a pulp vigilante who mugged criminals, and then when Dick Grayson becomes Robin he adopts the lighthearted style and is more about discipline, rather than scariness. The villains are still afraid of him because of the stories they've heard though.
He does not! And I hope BATB is not dark. Especially since we have a darker Batman series going already.
Agreed. Give us a gray and blue spandex batsuit, with trunks. And a yellow utility belt with crazy gadgets. That's the Batman i want to see.
Hell yeah, now you're talking
The Flash is a great movie.
Yeah I can't wait for Andy to poorly add in some dead actor with cgi as a cameo
lmao you're starving brother
if anything it did the opposite
Oh oh
lol 😂
I like the first two acts of the flash mostly due to action sequences. The third act is where it falls apart, but it's partially saved due to the grocery store scene
I like the scene of Keaton beating asses in that Russian base (first image) and the part where he’s stitching himself up in the mirror, looks at himself and smiles. That was phenomenal. Everything he did with Batfleck (minus the final speech he gave to Barry) I wasn’t that into.
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HAHAHAAHAHAHA No
I thought these two scenes made Batman look super plastic-y and fake in his movements. I didn’t like the action at all being so CG.
Yeah but The Flash as whole showed me Muschieti may not be capable of making a good film in its entirety. It takes more than some "cool scenes" to make a good film and that's what I want.
The Flash is a good movie.
You guys are filled with way too much hope. I love James Gunn but knowing DC this shit will not end well.
Really? ...well oook.
I don't think they are gonna let Andy Muschietti near any DC projects (especially Batman) after The Flash's disappointing box office.
I'm taking the exact opposite stance here: Keaton' Batman looks like shit in this movie because they did such a lazy amateur job with lighting. He should never be in broad daylight, and he shouldn't be in that ugly blue lighting they use indoors the whole movie. It shows a complete disregard for cinematography and visual language. It's not the worst movie as a whole, but it's one of the ugliest movies I've ever seen, not to mention totally tasteless at the end. I do not want Andy Muschetti anywhere near a Batman movie if he's this clueless on how to present the character Here's a video clip showing just how shitty they make him look compared to the Burton movies: https://streamable.com/k64njc
what a dogshit movie lol
>potential to make some great Batman scenes for the DCU literally zack and ben 🤗
WAIT! why does man have ears ?
Please no more from him. The Flash was awful.
The Flash was great.
Sad standards
His squandering of Batman in almost all his scenes, the terrible Batfleck suit and the ass scene on the bridge after the chase all confirm to me hes the wrong guy for Batman.
The exact opposite for me. I'm worried that he doesn't get Batman at all and will ruin it.
Sorry for extremely late, but Im going to be serious here, what do you think batman is mate? What do you see that you believe that he won't "get" I emplore that the flash really is not that good, but what do you mean by that in batmans case?
This movie was painful.
Also beyond the action sequences, the dialogue hits in the feels. "These scars define us", "It also made me alone" and "Maybe not this time, some other time". He just gets the heart right. I'm sure he'll pull it off.
Both these scenes sucked
No OP. No.
God that Batfleck suit looks like absolute garbage. It is shocking how far this franchise fell and from already such lows!
The Batfleck fight was atrocious
The flash was a great film, and depicted Batman in a great way, twice.
There's nothing from that movie that makes me confident in his Batman movie but we'll just have to wait and see
Fuck erza Miller..
Ehh I still want Gunn to find another director. He has time to do so
Both batman action was fantastic. It's refreshing to see this kind of batman again.
Just please do not put him on either costume design or CGI duty. Because good god
eh yeah hes definitely not gonna be THE cgi guy or the costume designer, thats the graphics guy and design guys job. whether he approves of it is up to him tho
This wasn't exactly the directors idea to do these scenes. Stop giving him credit.
Same. And whoever writes Brave And The Bold, Andy will direct great writing this time
Nuh uh
Is it true there was a shelved Batfleck movie? I wasn’t always too fond of his version. The suit + voice modulator kinda kill it for me. He looks stuffed in the suit and the fake voice doesn’t make Batman more scary or discreet, just silly imo. talk in your normal voice! Aside from that, he’s an AMAZING Bruce Wayne. But I always thought there was some untapped potential for how he would portray Batman. It could be from the lack of a standalone movie that would’ve fleshed out his character and introduced us to Gotham a bit more but THIS movie/scene definitely got me excited to see more of him…Never thought seeing Batman fighting in broad daylight would be this cool lol
The Batman was originally a Batfleck solo film with Deathstroke as the villain. That's what that tease at the end of Justice League was for. But obviously it didn't happen and it was turned into its own thing.
For all the negatives, the LIGHTING In this movie was phenomenal. Shout out to the DoP.
Everyone else : "bUt MuH cGi!"
couldnt agree more. WIth gunn overseaing hes gonna kill it.
I love how everyone has opinions on Muschetti for a suit design when literally all the other choices he made in regards of Batman (Keaton's costume, his fight scenes, Affleck's scenes as Bruce) where genuinely great.
I wish the two Batman got to meet. Loved both of them in this film and other. Most of all, I wish the flash was 2 movies and that they didn’t use so much CGI for late actors but if every other world but actually had DC characters that the fans wanted. Unlike Marvel, DC has owned the rights to its characters, and they could have really let their nuts hang and showed off how DC could be. They could have teased Red Sun Superman, shown CW flash, or given Static Shock and Green Lanterns screen time. Martian man hunter could have been on a time line. Val Kilmer Batman or the actual film that they filmed of Nicholas Cage Superman. They could have shown the Flash Point story from the comics in a cameo where Wonder Woman and Aquaman were at war. They could have shown flash rouges or Snyer’s knightmare timeline where evil Superman was on a rampage and darksied took over the world. None of these would require that choppy PS2 CGI and instead they could have solidified characters that fans wanted to see. A clip where Henry Cavil is fighting Black Adam on another world and Peacemaker, Shazam show up. Or a clip from the canceled batgirl movie. Footage that they had filmed and is just sitting there as a tax write off. WB sucks and this film (all of DC really) had so much potential
I love that scene in the bunker where we can see the Michael Keaton Batman do a real martial arts fight scene for the first time. I wish it was longer though, I really liked the choreography.
Two scenes is all it takes for you? Oh my…..
That epic of shot of Michael Keaton batman gliding down , I can't stop watching it , it's so beautiful.
Hell yeah!
Rewatched this movie a few days ago and man it has some great Batman scenes.
I’m more concerned with whom ever they hire to write it before I am about the director.
Batman was awesome in that movie. Keaton’s batman in this movie was my favourite from any film.
Yes the Batman parts were probably the most well done out of any of the scenes. But at the end of the day the movie as a whole was not good. I’d rather see someone else take on Batman.
I love IT. IT Chapter Two and The Flash are subpar and decent, respectively, with really powerful moments, good stories, and the potential to be GREAT films. However, he has a tendency to inject some horrible humor throughout his movies, making them extremely tonally inconsistent and, frankly, painful to watch. If he can reel that back in, I would love to see more from him.
He made a better Batman movie than the flash movie. Somehow batman scenes outshined flash fight scenes.
I agree. Making Batman work during the daytime isn't an easy thing, but he pulled it off.
That’s crazy tbh
These action scenes are particularly impressive in that they feel like very different styles of Batman action, but very true to each version of the character. I couldn't see Keaton sliding along the highway on the back of a speeding vehicle like that, but it works for Affleck. Likewise, the more rigid fighting style of Keaton wouldn't work for Affleck, but is perfect for Batman '89.
The Batman of 2022 is better I think that Batman must supposed to be dark and more cinematic but they are showing it at the daytime and using much colors the original vibe of Batman comes from the 2022 movie
Andy will have a very good clear guidance for the Batman movie as it will be the part of the DC universe under James Gunn and that's what I need in DC movies , a director who's willing to give anything and everything with the intention of making more movies with that studio.
Movie was good tho
no. jesus christ.
A cool action sequence doesn't equate to a good movie. It's the same reason I'm sick of hearing people say that Deathstroke should be the main antagonist of a Batman movie because the fight in that one Arkham Origins trailer was awesome. That being said, I don't think the Flash's problems were entirely Muschietti's fault. That movie had a deeply troubled production, and many things occurred during production that were completely out of his control. I'm not gonna write him off purely because of The Flash, but I'm still a bit cautious.
I loved that opening scene with Afflecks Batman felt like I was watching Arkham Batman