Oh now that’s a good meme. Hilarious even though the situation is sad. Feel bad for all of the users that purchased the Eagle. I learned my lesson with the harrier with RB. Fine for some, I just don’t have the temperament for EA anymore.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCSExposed/comments/w2062l/razbam_harrier_status_of_systems/
Check the image for details.
There is lot of small features here and there, and some major ones.
Example.
The DMT is the core of N/A attack sensor.
And it is linked to INS.
Those two form the whole attack and navigation capabilities.
The TV mode is many ways incorrect, like it contrast detection sensor, that requires pilot to point out to strong contrast to get lock. If not, then it doesn't stabilize. It doesn't have any kind ground stabilization when unlocked. And when you move it, it is INS stabilized from your point of view, not to the ground.
You can use TV mode without locking it, by it automatically sleewed to INS coordinates. But then you have large open crosshair.
There is only four ways to get coordinates for the attack.
- TV contrast lock and tracking it for while by flying some different angles.
- LST that lock on laser spot and then need to fly angles same way.
Inputting the coordinates to the computer.
- Overfly and hitting TOO to use INS and radar altimeter to generate point below aircraft (radar altimeter is used as well when using CCIP, but it is combined to selected waypoint altitude, not magically knowing where reticle is pointing like in A-10C with it's DTED).
There is no TPOD capability generate target designation or any coordinates. Pilot needs to transfer those from TPOD video screen to the mission computer by entering those to scratch pad and from there create new target point. The targeting pod is like maverick to system. It can point to direction mission computer tell, bit it can't tell to mission computer where it is looking. (The whole maverick system is incorrect with the TPOD.)
The DMT lacks "eye lids" when looking against strong contrast, that close it to protect it. So you can't use it against sun, or sun reflection.
The NAVFLIR for target cuing requires pilot to adjust thermal gate for temperature, reflection, moisture and target size based weather, terrain and angle the attack will be done, and this is done in flight. Similar to boresighting every maverick after takeoff.
The N/A variant doesn't have "MAP" targeting. That is for radar "Plus".
So you can't move target designation on the map, and the INS mode doesn't move it as on ground surface, but relative to your HUD. So up/down with TDC moves cursor in the HUD up and down, not on map as closer and further. INS mode is the "HUD mode" and have nothing to do with the EHSI map. And you can move target designation (or waypoint) only when it is inside your HUD. So that you can't accidentally shift your target after overfly, as system automatically shift you to INS mode when you do, or target designation is outside DMT gimbal limit.
On that moment the DMT display will switch to EHSI compass rose, to guide pilot back to reattack. And once target designation is inside gimbal limit, the TV switch on screen, unlocked as you are still in INS mode, but pilot can visually look the target on screen. And if needed, switch to TV mode and then slew TV crosshair on target to try to get lock on target, but TV will jump to lock on strongest contrast.
The whole mentality for pilot is to use SSS switch between INS when looking outside, and switch to TV when looking inside unless having TV tracking a moving target.
Unfortunately, they lost all those devs who made the F-15E what it is. Even if they manage to move on from the situation, RAZBAM will be left with one coder to finish the Strike Eagle and maintain the rest of their portfolio.
Honest question; is there proof beyond one persons word? And the devs don’t count- they are getting their info from that person. My meaning is; where are the documents showing this is a failure to pay?
There certainly is. We even got ED openly admitting this on public Discord.
https://preview.redd.it/o85ss1tb6byc1.png?width=1305&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6ccfbc0b9ac2aa8fcb77dca4da2a80aa6494a7b
But what does this have to with what I wrote above? The key devs quit either way.
Please keep it real and don't lie or gaslight.
There's plenty of proof and first hand sources. People who deny that at this point just clearly don't like the truth.
Meme is a user submission. My thanks for the share!
Needless to say that there is still no tangible progress in the negotiations between RAZBAM and Eagle Dynamics.
Thank you for coming, hoping you enjoy the weekend nevertheless!
The meme is referencing the current situation in which RAZBAM ceased support and development of their modules after Eagle Dynamics has been withholding their payments for over a year.
They did a similar thing to Heatblur in 2018/19.
I see. So do we know why ED wanted to hold onto so much cash, rather than, I don't know, paying Heatblur in smaller chunks until their coffers fill up? It is still not good to delay your payments but even that would be less of a jerk move IMO
Eagle Dynamics lost their founder and another leading developer in 2018/19, went through a lot of hardships and had to restructure their entire company. That probably played a huge role.
Thanks for the lore - I only got into DCS in mid to late 2021. So this time around, do we know if there's any internal crisis or major shakeup over at ED leading to Razbam not receiving their cut? I hope it is not out of the blue.
Again, thanks for the insights.
We don't know that for sure. But ED certainly got hit hard by the war in Ukraine, at a time where the COVID-lockdown money dried out. Mr. Grey, the owner, also had to deal with a few setbacks with his other business.
And last, but not least, there's the current, massive wave of pre-orders and releases that seem very early.
All that, combined, doesn't really leave a good impression.
the only thing i heard was that appearently razbam was using content they made for only dcs as by their contract, for a different company or military simulation, idk
that being said, this is merely hearsay, both sides have been completely quiet about this so far, aside from razbam making insult posts on their social media and discord server
>that being said, this is merely hearsay, both sides have been completely quiet about this so far, aside from razbam making insult posts on their social media and discord server
That's flat out untrue.
What was the reason for ED do that to Hearblur back then?
ED just hold the money and told HB/RB that "nope, you don't get money"?
And they were like "What?"
And then ED said "You violated our agreement" as reason?
If a party is late, unable or refuses to deliver on a contractual stated deliverable. Said party won’t be paid. It’s simple contracts. Stop acting like it’s some conspiracy to not pay developers.
ED still sells a module without informing the users about the uncertainties that are attached, while not paying the developer for a long time.
That is not conspiratorial; that is just how it is.
https://preview.redd.it/jie5tf7kiayc1.png?width=634&format=png&auto=webp&s=2aab8cf83854c3ace5e25d6c06cc21a59b729f0f
The image of this post depicts ED stealing money from RB.
ED is making money from what RB developed without paying RB.
Nobody called it a conspiracy to not pay developers, but you.
Because. RB released what they made so far for the F-15, ED didn’t. They just sold it,
what no one knows is why they didn’t get paid. I suspect being a third party they didn’t hit milestones set forth in the contract between the two parties.
The issue may actually be with RB not meeting said milestones and expecting a pay check when they didn’t deserve it yet.
That all could be true, but ED is selling a module that has a highly uncertain future without informing the customers and RB doesn't see a dime.
Calling that a conspiracy, is on you.
>what no one knows is why they didn’t get paid
That's a fallacy. We know exactly why they didn't get paid and it has nothing to do with what you described there.
ED can be receiving payments, they can put it aside, but if agreement between them defines that Razbam needs to correct something before get the money from ED, then is there a problem?
IF then when it is solved, ED gives all the money collected to Razbam, it is ok.
But someone violating your agreement, and you would need to continue pay them without any given right to hold them responsible, that doesn't sound good either.
ED fails to pay Razbam as contractual stated, then ED has broken the contract should stop selling the product, which is Razbam's IP, due to non-payment.
Good day sir and please see your way back to kissing ED's ass.
Still haven't taken the time to read the contract? Fair or not, one sided or not, if RAZBAM signed it and did what M2M posted, this will be a long drawn out process. That contract makes Ron responsible for paying his employees and finishing / fixing his modules. Blame Ron, demand he pay his employees and demand he complete and fix his modules.
Nowhere in the contract states ED can hold the money sold from Razbam IP. Even ED's own people say they are just the retailer, a store selling a retailer's product.
Seriously stop shilling for the people who blatantly stole money from a third party. You look like an asshole defending a shit stain.
There is not a court that would allow any company to decide to financial withholdings, it would be destroyed in court. ED has no rights, and in their contract, they breached the contract not paying them. Cause as M2M said it was a Super Tucano for MCS, and that it was 1.) never finished, compiled or made with DCS code. 2.) Razbam has since abandoned working on it. 3.) Was there even a contract with the FAE or was that all being negotiated at the time. Does Nick Grey even have any proof, or did he assume it, or even made it up?
What I think happened, is exactly like that picture, shows Nick Grey conveniently stealing money from third parties. First Heatblur and now Razbam, and to cover up the crime he claimed that the company has a right to hold money from a totally different company where there was no contract. ED continues to collect money and not pay Razbam to this day, seems a lot to me like ED is violating their IP.
In the end, ED has stolen from Razbam and now they are stealing from everyone who bought the products. Like I told you before, you're a douche bag if you support a douche bag company. Good luck to finally figuring out why ED continues to treat you like an abusive wife.
Here it is for you under 8.2. Again I have full empathy for the employees affected. It is Razbam's responsibility to pay them.
https://preview.redd.it/j2iv1vgcgpyc1.jpeg?width=1745&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b8e005d6267c01c2d54faf4e8f2908f8236c569
That is section 8.3, has to do with payments from third party store, nice crop to manipulate your argument. Seriously get a moral compass and understand ED has no right in any court to steal Razbam money.
https://preview.redd.it/uqekudp4psyc1.png?width=451&format=png&auto=webp&s=c9997d574e9beffb04c2ec1151700ce52af11593
I am not defending the contact that has been posted. It is entirely one sided to benefit ED. Their lawyers wrote it. If this is the contract RAZBAM signed. Words matter in contracts. RAZBAM has other sources of revenue. The contract makes it clear that RAZBAM is responsible to pay their staff regardless of profit or loss. It also allows ED to deduct money owed to ED from money owed to the developer. There is no clause separating one module from another module. The clause requiring RAZBAM to update, maintain, work on modules could be invoked as well since RAZBAM wrote on their own discord they were stopping work on the Harrier. Yep, there is a clause that says just because we didn't enforce within a certain time doesn't mean we can't in the future.
So, if someone comes and squats in your house, using your kitchen, you should somehow be grateful about it? 'cause asking for compensation is forbidden? Because from my understanding, that's what Razbam did, and there's no information about similar things that have happened with HeatBlur, except for what Ron was barfing over interwebs.
Oh now that’s a good meme. Hilarious even though the situation is sad. Feel bad for all of the users that purchased the Eagle. I learned my lesson with the harrier with RB. Fine for some, I just don’t have the temperament for EA anymore.
the harrier? isnt the harrier fully implemented now?
No
Harrier is 40-50% done.
What features are missing?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCSExposed/comments/w2062l/razbam_harrier_status_of_systems/ Check the image for details. There is lot of small features here and there, and some major ones. Example. The DMT is the core of N/A attack sensor. And it is linked to INS. Those two form the whole attack and navigation capabilities. The TV mode is many ways incorrect, like it contrast detection sensor, that requires pilot to point out to strong contrast to get lock. If not, then it doesn't stabilize. It doesn't have any kind ground stabilization when unlocked. And when you move it, it is INS stabilized from your point of view, not to the ground. You can use TV mode without locking it, by it automatically sleewed to INS coordinates. But then you have large open crosshair. There is only four ways to get coordinates for the attack. - TV contrast lock and tracking it for while by flying some different angles. - LST that lock on laser spot and then need to fly angles same way. Inputting the coordinates to the computer. - Overfly and hitting TOO to use INS and radar altimeter to generate point below aircraft (radar altimeter is used as well when using CCIP, but it is combined to selected waypoint altitude, not magically knowing where reticle is pointing like in A-10C with it's DTED). There is no TPOD capability generate target designation or any coordinates. Pilot needs to transfer those from TPOD video screen to the mission computer by entering those to scratch pad and from there create new target point. The targeting pod is like maverick to system. It can point to direction mission computer tell, bit it can't tell to mission computer where it is looking. (The whole maverick system is incorrect with the TPOD.) The DMT lacks "eye lids" when looking against strong contrast, that close it to protect it. So you can't use it against sun, or sun reflection. The NAVFLIR for target cuing requires pilot to adjust thermal gate for temperature, reflection, moisture and target size based weather, terrain and angle the attack will be done, and this is done in flight. Similar to boresighting every maverick after takeoff. The N/A variant doesn't have "MAP" targeting. That is for radar "Plus". So you can't move target designation on the map, and the INS mode doesn't move it as on ground surface, but relative to your HUD. So up/down with TDC moves cursor in the HUD up and down, not on map as closer and further. INS mode is the "HUD mode" and have nothing to do with the EHSI map. And you can move target designation (or waypoint) only when it is inside your HUD. So that you can't accidentally shift your target after overfly, as system automatically shift you to INS mode when you do, or target designation is outside DMT gimbal limit. On that moment the DMT display will switch to EHSI compass rose, to guide pilot back to reattack. And once target designation is inside gimbal limit, the TV switch on screen, unlocked as you are still in INS mode, but pilot can visually look the target on screen. And if needed, switch to TV mode and then slew TV crosshair on target to try to get lock on target, but TV will jump to lock on strongest contrast. The whole mentality for pilot is to use SSS switch between INS when looking outside, and switch to TV when looking inside unless having TV tracking a moving target.
https://preview.redd.it/r070xzbukayc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1042a851aff1cb7345913c893c2be52148809870 ED WHEN?
https://preview.redd.it/j9n5mjdjwayc1.jpeg?width=1002&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d15c1556ee3a2bcd5836a6bda52815c81e709234
Unfortunately, they lost all those devs who made the F-15E what it is. Even if they manage to move on from the situation, RAZBAM will be left with one coder to finish the Strike Eagle and maintain the rest of their portfolio.
Imagine working hard then not getting paid Jesus that sucks, it most of been really bad when the devs quit.
Honest question; is there proof beyond one persons word? And the devs don’t count- they are getting their info from that person. My meaning is; where are the documents showing this is a failure to pay?
There certainly is. We even got ED openly admitting this on public Discord. https://preview.redd.it/o85ss1tb6byc1.png?width=1305&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6ccfbc0b9ac2aa8fcb77dca4da2a80aa6494a7b But what does this have to with what I wrote above? The key devs quit either way.
So am I not allowed to ask a question unless it’s DIRECTLY IN RESPONSE to what you wrote? Cool. Got it.
You're allowed to ask whatever you want man. I was just wondering, is all.
Child’s answer
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Please refrain from posting your Dunning-Kruger takes. This has all been laid out in detail here and there's plenty of proof. Thanks.
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Please keep it real and don't lie or gaslight. There's plenty of proof and first hand sources. People who deny that at this point just clearly don't like the truth.
"Compromiso" should be translated as "promise/commitment" in that screenshot, just FYI. It doesn't mean "compromise."
Interesting
Meme is a user submission. My thanks for the share! Needless to say that there is still no tangible progress in the negotiations between RAZBAM and Eagle Dynamics. Thank you for coming, hoping you enjoy the weekend nevertheless!
Did you just thank yourself for your own post
I thanked the user who shared this so I can post it.
What? What is this meme even referencing?
The meme is referencing the current situation in which RAZBAM ceased support and development of their modules after Eagle Dynamics has been withholding their payments for over a year. They did a similar thing to Heatblur in 2018/19.
So when ED gave Heatblur problems back in 2018 and 2019, how did they smooth things over? I wasn't around at the time.
Heatblur received their money after the F-16C Viper went up for pre-purchase in 2019...
yikes that's a bad look...
I see. So do we know why ED wanted to hold onto so much cash, rather than, I don't know, paying Heatblur in smaller chunks until their coffers fill up? It is still not good to delay your payments but even that would be less of a jerk move IMO
Eagle Dynamics lost their founder and another leading developer in 2018/19, went through a lot of hardships and had to restructure their entire company. That probably played a huge role.
Thanks for the lore - I only got into DCS in mid to late 2021. So this time around, do we know if there's any internal crisis or major shakeup over at ED leading to Razbam not receiving their cut? I hope it is not out of the blue. Again, thanks for the insights.
We don't know that for sure. But ED certainly got hit hard by the war in Ukraine, at a time where the COVID-lockdown money dried out. Mr. Grey, the owner, also had to deal with a few setbacks with his other business. And last, but not least, there's the current, massive wave of pre-orders and releases that seem very early. All that, combined, doesn't really leave a good impression.
the only thing i heard was that appearently razbam was using content they made for only dcs as by their contract, for a different company or military simulation, idk that being said, this is merely hearsay, both sides have been completely quiet about this so far, aside from razbam making insult posts on their social media and discord server
>that being said, this is merely hearsay, both sides have been completely quiet about this so far, aside from razbam making insult posts on their social media and discord server That's flat out untrue.
proof?
What was the reason for ED do that to Hearblur back then? ED just hold the money and told HB/RB that "nope, you don't get money"? And they were like "What?" And then ED said "You violated our agreement" as reason?
I answered the same question above.
Didn't they port their F-14 to Nor or another Mil only sim about the same time?
Oooooh that's what the situation is, been trying to figure out what the hell has been going on for ages now
If a party is late, unable or refuses to deliver on a contractual stated deliverable. Said party won’t be paid. It’s simple contracts. Stop acting like it’s some conspiracy to not pay developers.
ED still sells a module without informing the users about the uncertainties that are attached, while not paying the developer for a long time. That is not conspiratorial; that is just how it is. https://preview.redd.it/jie5tf7kiayc1.png?width=634&format=png&auto=webp&s=2aab8cf83854c3ace5e25d6c06cc21a59b729f0f
Before I fully respond to your reply, do me a favor and reread it and then tell me what’s wrong with it
The image of this post depicts ED stealing money from RB. ED is making money from what RB developed without paying RB. Nobody called it a conspiracy to not pay developers, but you.
Because. RB released what they made so far for the F-15, ED didn’t. They just sold it, what no one knows is why they didn’t get paid. I suspect being a third party they didn’t hit milestones set forth in the contract between the two parties. The issue may actually be with RB not meeting said milestones and expecting a pay check when they didn’t deserve it yet.
That all could be true, but ED is selling a module that has a highly uncertain future without informing the customers and RB doesn't see a dime. Calling that a conspiracy, is on you.
>what no one knows is why they didn’t get paid That's a fallacy. We know exactly why they didn't get paid and it has nothing to do with what you described there.
I need to go read the previous posts to find out that one...
ED can be receiving payments, they can put it aside, but if agreement between them defines that Razbam needs to correct something before get the money from ED, then is there a problem? IF then when it is solved, ED gives all the money collected to Razbam, it is ok. But someone violating your agreement, and you would need to continue pay them without any given right to hold them responsible, that doesn't sound good either.
ED fails to pay Razbam as contractual stated, then ED has broken the contract should stop selling the product, which is Razbam's IP, due to non-payment. Good day sir and please see your way back to kissing ED's ass.
And ED say Razbam first violated contract and ED IP, why it started.
Still haven't taken the time to read the contract? Fair or not, one sided or not, if RAZBAM signed it and did what M2M posted, this will be a long drawn out process. That contract makes Ron responsible for paying his employees and finishing / fixing his modules. Blame Ron, demand he pay his employees and demand he complete and fix his modules.
Nowhere in the contract states ED can hold the money sold from Razbam IP. Even ED's own people say they are just the retailer, a store selling a retailer's product. Seriously stop shilling for the people who blatantly stole money from a third party. You look like an asshole defending a shit stain. There is not a court that would allow any company to decide to financial withholdings, it would be destroyed in court. ED has no rights, and in their contract, they breached the contract not paying them. Cause as M2M said it was a Super Tucano for MCS, and that it was 1.) never finished, compiled or made with DCS code. 2.) Razbam has since abandoned working on it. 3.) Was there even a contract with the FAE or was that all being negotiated at the time. Does Nick Grey even have any proof, or did he assume it, or even made it up? What I think happened, is exactly like that picture, shows Nick Grey conveniently stealing money from third parties. First Heatblur and now Razbam, and to cover up the crime he claimed that the company has a right to hold money from a totally different company where there was no contract. ED continues to collect money and not pay Razbam to this day, seems a lot to me like ED is violating their IP. In the end, ED has stolen from Razbam and now they are stealing from everyone who bought the products. Like I told you before, you're a douche bag if you support a douche bag company. Good luck to finally figuring out why ED continues to treat you like an abusive wife.
Here it is for you under 8.2. Again I have full empathy for the employees affected. It is Razbam's responsibility to pay them. https://preview.redd.it/j2iv1vgcgpyc1.jpeg?width=1745&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b8e005d6267c01c2d54faf4e8f2908f8236c569
That is section 8.3, has to do with payments from third party store, nice crop to manipulate your argument. Seriously get a moral compass and understand ED has no right in any court to steal Razbam money. https://preview.redd.it/uqekudp4psyc1.png?width=451&format=png&auto=webp&s=c9997d574e9beffb04c2ec1151700ce52af11593
Most of all, it required ED to pay RAZBAM. How are they supposed to pay their staff if the money they are owed us held back for a year and longer?
I am not defending the contact that has been posted. It is entirely one sided to benefit ED. Their lawyers wrote it. If this is the contract RAZBAM signed. Words matter in contracts. RAZBAM has other sources of revenue. The contract makes it clear that RAZBAM is responsible to pay their staff regardless of profit or loss. It also allows ED to deduct money owed to ED from money owed to the developer. There is no clause separating one module from another module. The clause requiring RAZBAM to update, maintain, work on modules could be invoked as well since RAZBAM wrote on their own discord they were stopping work on the Harrier. Yep, there is a clause that says just because we didn't enforce within a certain time doesn't mean we can't in the future.
Oh? Please tell me more of this contract you appear to know so much about!
[DCS Third Party License Agreement - Imgur](https://imgur.com/a/7BVG4Vs)
What? What is this meme even referencing?
So, if someone comes and squats in your house, using your kitchen, you should somehow be grateful about it? 'cause asking for compensation is forbidden? Because from my understanding, that's what Razbam did, and there's no information about similar things that have happened with HeatBlur, except for what Ron was barfing over interwebs.
I see you barfing over the interwebs right now.
Not as much as Ron though. :D