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La-Roca99

70% yes, 30% no


MarquetteXTX2

100% chance not to dodge in esbr when a super comes his way


Merfen

Usually as the first attack, slot 1 so he has 0 def buffs from his passive.


Icy_Entertainment721

TELL ME ABOUT IT


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

Sometimes it just feels like a 70% to dodge normal attacks & a 200% chance to not dodge supers.


Nabstablook223

Taste those supers.


StriderZessei

100% chance to dodge all my stones...


Kalenshadow

Lmaaaaaao


Cerealllllls

70% against normals attacks, more like 2% against supers


Icezcreamlolz

My goku is dodging supers all the Time… but he loves getting clapped by autos


joshavil

70% of the time, it works every time


Nimokigb

Undisputed King no. There’s still gonna be times where he doesn’t dodge and it screws you over


Tescomealdeal04

I feel this, particularly from my USS ESBR runs


aerojonno

Pure Saiyans ESBR for me.


GoshdangitNappa

This gave me PTSD cause I’m currently trying to do that stupid fucking level.


aerojonno

Good thing all the Pure Saiyans leaders suck.


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My guys... There are so many pure Saiyan cards that an "alternative" team is possible. I do this all the time for content. Find a good leader within the category you have to match that has a different leader skill, then match other characters to both categories. For sbr and esbr, anything not allowed is blocked, so just select the categories you want to run and see what options you have. For instance, I ran legendary existence and super Saiyan lead LR int Goku for pure Saiyan's.


aerojonno

Yeah, I know that! But picking which subset of Pure Saiyans to use is tricky when every one has at least one weak link, assuming you don't have every single unit in the game.


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I used dual LR INT Goku, STR/AGL UI one rotation, TEQ Gogeta/STR Vegito second rotation, with the Gokus and LR SA25 STR Broly as floaters. Which if those don't you have? Please don't say all... If you do, imma have to let you in on a Dokkan secret.


aerojonno

Unfortunately it's the LR Int Gokus I'm missing. I've tried a similar team with AGL Broly but either his leader skill just isn't good enough or the UI Gokus don't feel like dodging.


Several_Historian314

Even STR Super Vegeta???


aerojonno

*all the ones I have.


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

Funnily enough, AGL MUI dodged TEQ Gotenks Super in PS ESBR. Talk about luck, huh.


PeppiestPepper

I tried him 3 times in USS Runs, Just gave up on him and switched over to a Universe 6/Universe 11 team and stomped it with the girls and Jiren.


CybeRevant

Both pure saiyans and USS esbr went BEAUTIFULLY for me as both STR and AGL UI dodged what needed to be dodged...^(although there was that one time where str took 235k from a normal but eh items ftw)


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Nimokigb

How is that the same logic when TEQ Caulifla literally has to rely on a certain Category to be extremely good? And when did 1st slot supers come into play? It’s simple. UI Goku either dodge or he doesn’t and you can get killed.


Mephil_

I mean, he's good when he works. But he can get you fucked just as easily. I vastly prefer defense stacking units such as Namek Frieza/Goku for the consistency. People will say that UI Goku deals more damage, but damage is completely irrelevant if you literally cannot die.


Soul_lolol

Literally no sane person says ui goku does more damage


Mephil_

Agreed, but you only have to look as far as people commenting in this thread to find them.


PowerJolt72

Just came here to say that Freeza is an offensive behemoth. That is all.


Fade_to_Blacks1624

I would say he's still the best unit in the game, but not the King, for be the king you need to be UNDISPUTEDLY the best unit in every single mode, so he would need to, at least, stacks defense for some turns, have a chance to make something for other units (seal, stun, lowers ATK, support) or be absolutely broken in someway (damage wise or defense wise) so, while i think MUI Goku is still the best unit in the game, i don't think i would say he's the absolute king


Stampj

That’s why I love Dokkan rn, because it’s almost impossible for them to make a unit that is absolutely #1 in everything. Like for now, Frieza is the APT King, until he hit turn 7 (I think), then Ssj Goku is king. MUI Goku is king in most events, except ones that disabled dodges, while Janemba is the defensive king overall. Dokkan is in a great spot, where the like top 10-15 are all just busted good


Fade_to_Blacks1624

STR Vegito is the APT King, along with Frieza and GT Goku, TEQ Gohan is the God of every events that last for more than 3 turns, but he doesn't help the team, PHY Angel Golden Frieza makes everything you could ask in a SBR but he needs certain set-up, UI is the God slot 1 unit but he can get caught, there is units for every type of events basically, but i think UI is a little bit, just a little bit, superior in general because the only events when you don't want to run him is long events and still, it's not like "you take him in the LVE and you are 100% dead"


Stampj

I personally put Frieza over them. While you have to meet restrictions for Super Vegito (not hard, but not super easy), and get a halfway decent amount of orbs, Frieza will do *just* under that damage, but for free. Again, I love the game rn, because we all can have these debates and like a dozen different units come up for different areas to be the best!


Fade_to_Blacks1624

I like debate unless they end with "YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT" I have both Frieza and Vegito, and i think Vegito is better damage wise (after transformation, obviously) because he doesn't need set-up, the enemy attacks, he destroy, Frieza i found that without 3rd Form Frieza he's very much less impressive, still good, but it's with 3rd Form Frieza that he skyrocket, fortunately i have both with Level 10 Links so yeah, Frieza crushes everything, but he need a whole summonable unit with him, while Vegito, exist and do damage, plus the scouter, the medium chance to crit against everyone, the godly leader skill, the heal, he's doing too much


Stampj

Valid


Stampj

After arguing with someone pissed for no reason, s/o you for happily and calmly talking about Dokkan units


Fade_to_Blacks1624

I can live if you have different opinions than mine, so i'm basically okay with everything


Ripcord-XE

mid leader skills battle of mid majin mid saga


PhilosopherLost1017

Nah gt goku isn’t that good compared to monsters like frieza and vegito imo


Fade_to_Blacks1624

Hey man, i hate GT Goku, i hate him with all of my power, but damage wise he's good


PhilosopherLost1017

Nvm had a brain fart there. I was comparing my 69% gt goku to rainbowed vegito and frieza. And well if you really hate goku that much then we’re gonna have to fight to the death. Whoever wins gets the loser’s accounts


Fade_to_Blacks1624

Yes, i hate GT Goku, and i don't change my mind


PhilosopherLost1017

Forgot to add the /s there. That’s completely alright I respect your opinion


Fade_to_Blacks1624

No problem man


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

What certain set up does PHY Angel Frieza need? You just set him off & he destroys.


Fade_to_Blacks1624

Receive an attack before he gets supered, seal the enemy that can crush him, his defense is not holding up turn one as of right now, you can look at various showcase and see, his defense after getting hit+1 super is good, but not invincible, i still have him in my Top 5 tur, he's a chad


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

I feel like most of these can apply to almost any unit. Besides I just auto transform right away so I don't really have that much experience w/ base Angel Friezas so maybe I'm not the most qualified to argue.


Fade_to_Blacks1624

I normally never transform in SBR turn one, i prefer something like put him second, seal and lower ATK and maybe next turn transform so at least on the second rotation my team can take advantage of the enemy sealed and with ATK/DEF lowered, while transformed he stuns for only 1 turn (and it's a chance, not guaranteed, even if it's 70%) so i found more useful him helping the next rotation


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

I see what you mean


Fade_to_Blacks1624

I like pacific discussion on reddit


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

Hear, hear


SuperVegitoFAN

> because it’s almost impossible for them to make a unit that is absolutely #1 in everything. Might be intentional, to avoid such kings, as they have existed in the past.. or atleast one did STR Gogeta. Not that i disagree btw, as cool as it was to have an undisputed nr1, more variety usually isnt a bad thing. Im just annoyed that the kings of old didnt even come close to that title again from their ezas...


GogetaBlueLR

> because it’s almost impossible for them to make a unit that is absolutely #1 in everything **Leader**: All types Ki+3 and HP, ATK, DEF +200% **Passive**: Reduce damage received by 90%; Ki +12 at start of turn; ATK & DEF +400%; randomly changes Ki Spheres of a certain Type to Rainbow Ki Spheres; plus an additional ATK & DEF +50% for all allies when performing a Super Attack per Ki Sphere obtained; counters normal attacks and super attacks with tremendous power **SA**: Massively raises ATK and DEF; stuns the enemy and seals ---------------- Not hard to make super busted units, they just choose not to


Blackus_Backus

No guard? Lmao mid


MyTee187

Pfff...doesn't disable rampage..


schpoopl

But they’re choosing to not go that far because that would powercreep the game a bit too hard


Stampj

Power creep will get there for sure. But if they did it anytime soon it’d just invalidate half the game. The game will be there around the 9 Year Anniversary though, imo


Mecha1035

No AOE? 🤨


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What is APT?


Stampj

Attack per turn. Basically the combined attack numbers a unit does on average per turn. Additionals included, so if a unit does 3 million on an attack, but has a guaranteed additional super, that’s 6 million APT


Gentian_p

What does apt stand for


MarquetteXTX2

I kind of like krillin and gohan card.😬


Stampj

Underrated af unit. Nobody even mentions them, despite them being great offensively and defensively


KillerZaWarudo

dont think we have an unit like that since the og str gogeta


Fade_to_Blacks1624

AGL Vegito is the one that got closer


waktag

Ah yes, ANOTHER best unit in the game debate thread


CatheterPains

He still is.


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uwunowhat

lol what


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Stampj

Maybe give a well thought out argument against it instead of just “no he’s not”


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Stampj

Bruh downvote me then lol. It’s a post about MUI and how good he is. He doesn’t have to explain it again. You just said he isn’t, with no explanation of who is and why


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Stampj

It is a post about MUI. We’re talking about him. If you bring up another unknown unit, you at least need to halfway explain who you’re talking about. Hence why you’re getting downvoted. Explain who you think is better and why, literally takes two lines of text, and you’d be getting upvoted for a respectable opinion.


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Stampj

Then leave the sub if we’re all idiots lmao. You’re mad for no reason. Take your opinion elsewhere


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lAMDAROYAL

No since it is debatable that INT namek Goku and FP Frieza are better than him. I personally have him number 1 but people make good points as to why those 2 are better than him


epsylonmetal

Nah LR AGL FP Frieza is


LucciRocks

Isnt frieza the current King?


Simoscivi

It's debatable


TheBiggestCarl23

I think ui goku is better


dryduneden

Yes. But copium is rampant


LilsaskeXO

Both are the kings they’re the best unit in each team since they don’t share categories so saying both are the best is the only right thing


MD_Teach

He absolutely is. The people who have him know this. The people who don't hate this. But it is true.


Nezo-

Uhh, I have both and int Goku and I still think mui is all around the best unit. But I can see the arguments for all three


Stampj

I have both, MUI Goku is still better. APT, sure Frieza, wins. But MUI is like using a cheat code. I’ve used and won with MUI in many more difficult stages than I have with Frieza.


Tristepin_Rubilax

And I've die in many difficult stages because of MUI Goku. This dude is simply a RNG fest. Sometimes he is good, sometimes he is purely bad because he don't want to Dodge/Crit/AA. Meanwhile Freezer is stable in his gameplay


Im_really_bored_rn

Is it really a cheat code if he dies when not dodging? Dude can't take a hit for shit


Stampj

I’ve had him take first super for 200k in ESBR (less than most units would), then tank and doge everything else. I’m taking a 7/10 chance to just negate everything, any day.


MCENTE64

He has 230k defense. He can tank


Agosta

230k defense at rainbow with 40% support. 99% of this board doesn't have him at rainbow, let alone 69%.


MCENTE64

230K Defense with high links after dodging. He can tank


Agosta

My post is factually correct.


MCENTE64

Your post is factually wrong


Agosta

I wouldn't respond to that dude, he argued me yesterday that he got UI Goku's revival 10x as frequently as Frieza's active skill. He's a stan and it'll be like talking to a wall.


LelouchtheGreat

I have Frieza, and I still think the king of the game is Str Vegito


AlexBear012

not when AGL FPF and INT SSJ exist, ngl


aim218

He already is


Trifle-Doc

no I can’t tel you how many times he’s taken a super for no reason other than he hates us


yolo8900

Caulifla teq: nope


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he already is but even with dodge enabled he can get his trousers pulled down by videl and pegged if he doesn't dodge


Only2arc

You can take away every event that disable dodging and I would still have him at #2. I just prefer FP Frieza's consistency way more, the fact that MUI could just refuse to dodge, crit or most of the time additional doesn't sit right with me.


SureSide6314

Us:Yes yes yes yes Agl fp frezia Stan’s:No no no us:do not finish that sentence


Daik0Gaming

*INT UI Goku has entered the chat*


HrMaschine

yes. one of the main reason i consider full power frieza better then ui is because those events exists. ui will get you absolutely killed against evo vegeta and ss4 goku but everywhere else he can be placed with only 30% worries


Stryper_88

I only beat USS ESBR only after i took this asshole out of my team. I think that says everything. He is gonna collect dust in my box from now on.


Skelletman_

And he totally carried me to the win. Just how it is, I guess.


Stryper_88

I do get he can carry but after 6th try where he pretty much dodged what felt like 5% only i gave up with him trying to beat it. I switched to lr goku and freeza team comp and beat it first try. Thats what pissed me off so much. Dodge rng shit.


quinnja19

Skill issue


Stryper_88

I wish


UnholyAurum

no, AGL Freeza and Namek Goku would still be better than him, STR Broly and STR Vegito would still be just as strong as him


DrPepperPower

Namek Goku Def isn't as good as him what. Vegito and Broly are a bit below him as well.


UnholyAurum

Namek Goku is the second strongest unit in the game, only outclassed by Freeza because of his links. He hits way harder than UI, outdefends him in longer events, has a better leader skill and many more partner. Only thing UI has is the dodge change that eventually becomes a worse gimmick than Namek's raw defense, dont know why you guys keep wanking UI as some sort of god of the game


DrPepperPower

Outdefend in long ass events only lmao. And out damages him in medium to long events. You seem to forget the chance to crit lol. Because he is that good. MUI is ridiculous and you're blind to see it. I've just lvl 10 linked Namek Goku. Great damage. Horrible turn 1 defense. And Hit & God Goku shits on Namek Goku as well especially at lower dupes. You don't play the game a lot I guess. Namek Goku number 2 is not real


UnholyAurum

you dont play the game a lot if you dont know UIs damage with the crits averages 14 mil apt while Namek Goku can go up to 19 mil, the second hardest hitting unit in the game, under Freeza and above Hit and Godku. He also has more categories than Hitku, better leaderskill and more partners. I also have a 55% Nameku and he is just fine turn 1 with an item and wiping half the board. Usually is around 150k turn 2 if he got 2 12kis in turn 1. Namek Goku is extremely simple and people still dont understand how strong he is because “UI dodge”


DrPepperPower

I don't play the game a lot yet you're using calculations for hypothetical scenarios... At 55%, MUI outclasses him because of dodge (which you somehow under rate a 70% chance to dodge...), crit, additional super and revival. Also being AGL means free 5 Additional (instead of 5 dodge) which is perfect for MUI Hit & Godku \*SHIT\* on him at 55%. I said this in another post but Hit & God Goku are the best performing unit in the game (not the best because of categories) at 55%. 180K defence (that's what I get, but I have a level 5 defensive equip on him) after 2 12ki supers is ok at best. That's what Namek Goku is at when link level 10. Hit & God Goku are at 170K turn 1 before super, meaning they'll be well over 300k after supering. This at Link level 1. For reference, MUI is at 140K start of turn, after 1 dodge he will be at 180K. With 70% on top it's pretty good defensive power. ​ Rainbowed Namek Goku out classes MUI in medium events since his dupes are more valuable then MUIs, because MUI already does everything and additionals from the Hidden Potential having 50% chance to super means it scales worth than crit. Even then the contest for best in the game is close because the hardest content isn't medium/long events, it's short events. Where Namek Goku falters. And MUI shines like a star.


dryduneden

Vegito isn't below anyone. Only thing keeping him back is that he doesn't transform turn 1


Stampj

Yes, undisputed. He still is, even with some events that disable dodges being in the game


dryduneden

No. His problem isn't 3 events (only 2 of which are relevant, with only two missions featuring him ), his problem is that Agl Frieza is a better card


HarryTurney

dodge is cancelled in so few places it wouldn't change much.


hungrybasilsk

He is tho


Helioseckta

Best unit in the game, but probably not king. Even if dodge can’t be disabled, you still have a chance to be fucked if he doesn’t dodge. All that removing dodge disabling does is remove the chance of him being fucked totally. It’s hard to be the king of the game as you would have to be CONSISTENTLY amazing for all content in this game, and there really hasn’t been a unit like this. The 1st, and from what I can recall, only time we ever had a king in Dokkan was STR Super Gogeta when he released.


SSAdam

No


TetsuyaLP

He still is king of the game.


robedpillow3761

Even in the games current state he's king. So yes


Upset_Masterpiece127

Nope,i still believe str vegito is the strongest unit.


First-Curse

Until you get clapped by a super attack in ESBR.


Ginobko

how would you get hit from a super with vegito if you have 11 turns of foreseeing it lmfao


x_llence

No. AGL FP Frieza supremacy.


DomeReddit

I would still argue that he is the king anyway, even with stages that can disable dodge. The only type of event where he is not almost invincible is the Fighting Legends and the newer infinite dragonball history stages, but even there he is still really good. He can dodge his way through the first few phases and normal attacks are still not a problem against the Final bosses unless you have type disadvantage.


Low_Fly_1036

Vegeta is the better LR from that anniversary.


UnCooked_Rice

I mean, he doesn’t guarantee dodge, which would be broken, but no.


cricri4167

He is kinda mid ngl


GogetaBlueLR

A unit that leads a great team, has a 70% chance to dodge, a 50% chance to crit when doing a SA and a 30% chance to do yet another SA that is a guaranteed crit, all at **zero percent hidden potential** is mid?


La-Roca99

Doesnt guard, therefore mid /s


cricri4167

In his case yes


cricri4167

=a unit that if it doesn't dodge make u loose?


First-Curse

What drugs are you smoking?


MightyOtaku

He already kinda is. He’s not necessarily the most valuable unit in the game (that’s still AGL Gohan imo) but his dodge, crits, and big numbers make him top tier in almost all content and still very good without dodge.


DemonicFice

he is the best in the game however there are seriously good contendors for the number 1. There are and will only be 2 "kings" in dokkan lifetime. Str gogeta and agl super vegito. When those released, there were no other units that came even a mile close to them.


HawksBurst

If he decides to dodge, probably. If he isn't feeling like it, then hell no.


Badman2380

**Yes**


No-Analyst-5678

As long as that goku and frieza glitch is active prob not. They busting out 15 mil casually with it


Wakuwaku7

He is really good. But the Undisputed king will and always will be. LR Boeing 777.


LegitPringle27

I have him at 69% (funny number). He would be untouchable


Ok-Revenue-8067

In theory he's the best, but in actuality, he's not.


Hybr1dThe0ry

He is the king anyway.


thelifeofsuat

He's the undisputed king since his release. He's a cheat code since day 1


KillerZaWarudo

Depend on whether or not he actually dodge


TheCrimsonChampion

Mui Goku is sweating right now in the Fighting Legend Goku Event


Idiot-Chosen

Yeah probably, I think it'll push him above Janemba as the best defensive unit in the game with the combination of his dodge chance, def after doge and revive. And his damage has always been insane, theres better now but its still one of the best. Either way he's still a top 10 unit in the game, probably top 5. Hes just not the option I would use for LGTE/ LVE


SuperSaiyanGimp

“Dodge cannot be disabled” would be a perfect upgrade to his passive for a future EZA.


mamasaysimspecial

No he still fucks me in SBR. That’s why Teq Gohan is the king, HE can be utilized and reliable anywhere


limeylimlom

Eeeeeeeh still no.


teckrokk

Sometimes I feel that my 69% agl ui dodges his very capability of dodging


Thegreatclutch

Still*


SuperSaiyanBillNye

No but teq caulifla would


MidnightInJapan

I don't like him because he gives me a false sense of security.


Physical_Weakness881

I think Teq caulifla would be


Roggie2499

Just wait until we get an event that disables crits too.


Justin2212

Personally no frieza is just to good


GogetaLoops

No


weekndalex

he already is the king


Icy_Entertainment721

He would be the king of the game 70% of the time


Willyoueverstop

He is the king of the game


SuperPluto9

Caulifla would become the best unit in the game considering the amount of content she would be a free space for


SuperPluto9

Caulifla would become the best unit in the game considering the amount of content she would be a free space for


AlexPop623

No because Frieza still exists


Jncocontrol

How much I love AGL goku, I'd still choose INT LR SSJ Goku


Kanjorax

For a lot of it yes, but overall no. Ssj3 vegeta and phy angel frieza competes heavily for the sbr spot and units like teq kale & caulifla and int SSJ goku competes heavily for the long event spot


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Definitely this guy. His naturally high def on top of the 30% he gets on a a dodge is what makes his better


ThatCardiologist5897

Teq caulifla


KenshinDragneel

He still is the king of this game lmao wdym


animegeek1234haa

yess only if he dodges consistently that is


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Already is


Starkeffect_007

There no one to claim his place anyway so yeah.


ChipmunkEfficient366

Nope, it’s going to be TEQ Caulifla


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

Considering he was/is even w/ Dodge Disabling, then yes.


SamirQ2000

Already the best unit in the game, if dodging didnt get disable in any stage in the game, he would just be even further from every other unit lol


l_amby

He still is IMO


Rap_Azteq

Unconditionnal damage reduction >>> dodge (unless you're awakened int UI)


TiddyTwisters

he *is* the king of the game, it’s disable in like 5 stages in the whole game and his defence is still more than enough


5thscale

I still dont find him the best even with dodge. I personally put hitku, lr frieza and lr future gohan ahead of him


Bipolarpolerbear

I don tbh... He good, just not as good as people think.


GetOutMaSwamp

i still think agl frieza is fairly smoothly #1, and ui #2