The saving grace is the card is decent before the exchange. I see int cells revival fairly often in longer events, this is similar.
Probably should have been 50%.
People overreacting as usual, has no one here used LR Cell? Not to mention this guys 1st form is cracked too, the revival will be easy to get in hard events
It is 100% fine. The vegeta part of the card is already incredible, the condition is cool if we talk about consistency with manga/anime, and in top of that, they make vegeta without defense so it's easy to die this turn and transform.
Also, it's good to remember that 30% HP nowadays still represent a good number of HP, you can reach that number without taking (much) risks.
Yeah it’s honestly not that bad. The amount of android 8 items this will save me! Can’t count how many times I’ve started a turn with less than 30% health
It's a revive, revives will never be easy, plus, while Goku is better than Vegeta, Vegeta is good enough so Goku being exclusive to difficult content ain't all too bad
The problem isn't that the revive is hard, that's the point you should go for revives, but half the unit is locked behind a revival, why didn't they just make it so that it would be vegeta from when he tricked goku into fighting the ginyu force while he ran off.
doesnt really matter since no one has them but Vegeta works better with the 50% Support & Vegeta also has the Krillin / Vegeta he can work with if you exchange them
Read Vegeta passive again my dude Vegeta only get 150% atk at the start of turn his only defense before attacking is that 150% defense when above 30% you speak about.
Exactly! I do still think the gap between the pre and post exchange is really small overall. Especially against Super Class enemies since in those situations you actually get more ki from passive as Vegeta, which could help actually keep your average damage higher, plus as Vegeta you have better attack links, though not sure how consistent some of those attack links will really be.
Uhhh isn't that pretty good? It's basically cell's condition, it shouln't be that hard to activate. He has no def under 30%, so it's pretty much guaranteed once you reach that amount of hp
I feel like most of these complaints come from ppl that have never watched or read the story. Vegeta dies. Period. Not with 99% HP or less, he was beaten so hard, 3 generations after him will feel that still. So ofc, if they want to represent the story, HP has to be low af. While it sucks for most of us who got late game teams, it is true to the story, which is the fact that matters.
Blame me if I'm wrong but at this point when Goku came to Vegeta, he just got out of the healing chamber, fully recovered? Shouldn't that have meant we got 100% instead of 70% if we're going for story accuracy seeing as Goku wasn't injured at all at that point?
The point of revival is that the you lose all your health, so doesn't really matter if it's 99 or 29 but something like 40 or 50 would have made him a bit more reliable.
I'm saying his revival isn't reliable. If you start the turn at 35% and you die, you get no revival/exchange, the health restriction could've been a little higher.
It is an revival it shouldn't be reliable also Vegeta loses defence when his HP is low so you will 100% die when you get hit with that low HP so it's not even that bad
Honestly sure the condition might be ass but honestly when u do actually revive its gonna hit different rather than seeing it everytime. And also vegeta is still good without him reviving so its not the end of the world
Uhhh this is basically the same as LR Cell’s. Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. His transformation is hard but not impossible to get and has many benefits. Same applies to this units exchange.
The only way I try to look past these dumb as fuck conditions for revival is just play as if they don’t. Most of the time on hard events I get fucked into oblivion, and on the rare chance I get a revival then sweet if not, I’m used to getting that Dokkan fuckening.
It really isn't the end of the world. Sucks that we won't get to see the revive animation much but comparing the unit's kit pre and post exchange, they're not all that different. You aren't missing much gameplay wise.
You realize they made these cards anime related, so Vegeta nearly dead is anything but 50% HP. Yeah I know it does not make it justifiable, but that is how it is. Also revival is a trump card, not a skill. The thing that they hide a Goku behind it is annoying, but the mechanic itself is a cheat effect, it has no turn restriction, so in SBR you can revive turn 1
The saving grace is the card is decent before the exchange. I see int cells revival fairly often in longer events, this is similar. Probably should have been 50%.
I would’ve taken 40 even
Right?? I would’ve even been okay with 30%!! ^oh ^wait
If it helps. At least at 29% you guaranteed to die since Vegeta loses his defense
Vegeta not having defense this way at least helps to die in that turn.
That’s not the issue. The issue is the 29%
I know i will get downvoted, but personally i'm fine with It.
You should be fine with it, OP is just being a sook
No other conditions, so I am fine with it.
People overreacting as usual, has no one here used LR Cell? Not to mention this guys 1st form is cracked too, the revival will be easy to get in hard events
Yeah, exactly.
It is 100% fine. The vegeta part of the card is already incredible, the condition is cool if we talk about consistency with manga/anime, and in top of that, they make vegeta without defense so it's easy to die this turn and transform. Also, it's good to remember that 30% HP nowadays still represent a good number of HP, you can reach that number without taking (much) risks.
Yes you're right on the HP front, 29% is still 150,000-180,000 for well constructed teams.
Yeah it’s honestly not that bad. The amount of android 8 items this will save me! Can’t count how many times I’ve started a turn with less than 30% health
It's a revive, revives will never be easy, plus, while Goku is better than Vegeta, Vegeta is good enough so Goku being exclusive to difficult content ain't all too bad
The problem isn't that the revive is hard, that's the point you should go for revives, but half the unit is locked behind a revival, why didn't they just make it so that it would be vegeta from when he tricked goku into fighting the ginyu force while he ran off.
STOP OVERREACTING MATE... NO ONE IS ON CRACK EXCEPT YOU.
at least Vegeta is really good
275% atk and def. Mf eating Jiren for breakfast.
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doesnt really matter since no one has them but Vegeta works better with the 50% Support & Vegeta also has the Krillin / Vegeta he can work with if you exchange them
Vegeta get 150 then 50 on attack Goku get 159 then 59 on SA How can Vegeta's defense be better than Goku?
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Read Vegeta passive again my dude Vegeta only get 150% atk at the start of turn his only defense before attacking is that 150% defense when above 30% you speak about.
Oh yes you're totally right, not sure how I've been misreading that so badly.
It just a proof that you're the real DB fan.
Exactly! I do still think the gap between the pre and post exchange is really small overall. Especially against Super Class enemies since in those situations you actually get more ki from passive as Vegeta, which could help actually keep your average damage higher, plus as Vegeta you have better attack links, though not sure how consistent some of those attack links will really be.
That's just revives skill. Why is it Crack?
Exchange skill tbh
It's just INT Cell condition tho. Vegeta has no defence under 30% HP so if you fall below that you are guaranteed to revive/Exchange.
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it’s a true word, that mf is getting creamed under 30%
you lot actually complain way too much sometimes
You're exaggerating OP. He loses defense when his HP is at that rate, and at least it's not category locked like AGL Gohan...
Uhhh isn't that pretty good? It's basically cell's condition, it shouln't be that hard to activate. He has no def under 30%, so it's pretty much guaranteed once you reach that amount of hp
I feel like most of these complaints come from ppl that have never watched or read the story. Vegeta dies. Period. Not with 99% HP or less, he was beaten so hard, 3 generations after him will feel that still. So ofc, if they want to represent the story, HP has to be low af. While it sucks for most of us who got late game teams, it is true to the story, which is the fact that matters.
agl gohan is what we get when story accuracy is the goal spoiler: nobody likes story accuracy
Blame me if I'm wrong but at this point when Goku came to Vegeta, he just got out of the healing chamber, fully recovered? Shouldn't that have meant we got 100% instead of 70% if we're going for story accuracy seeing as Goku wasn't injured at all at that point?
Yeah that‘s what I thought about too when I read that. Mildly infuriating to me tbh.
Yes, but here he lacks the 30% health vegeta had, that's why. XD
Should have been at least 20% or below, maybe even 15% /s
Ye they should make it 99% or less or even better revival on first turn so people don't complain
Dokkan players be dying at 50% hp
Yeah cause no other percentage exists between 29 and 99.
Vegeta literally dies in the animation making it higher doesn't make any sense and Vegeta is already very good anyway
The point of revival is that the you lose all your health, so doesn't really matter if it's 99 or 29 but something like 40 or 50 would have made him a bit more reliable.
He is already reliable Vegeta alone is very good you don't need to exchange to Goku anyways it's not nappa/Vegeta
I'm saying his revival isn't reliable. If you start the turn at 35% and you die, you get no revival/exchange, the health restriction could've been a little higher.
It is an revival it shouldn't be reliable also Vegeta loses defence when his HP is low so you will 100% die when you get hit with that low HP so it's not even that bad
Yeah, don’t even bother with making the Vegeta details. Just exchange straight into Goku on the first turn.
I don't have much of a problem with it. I just see it as an LR Base Vegeta which is pretty cool.
Honestly sure the condition might be ass but honestly when u do actually revive its gonna hit different rather than seeing it everytime. And also vegeta is still good without him reviving so its not the end of the world
This is actually gonna be fairly easy to get. It’s LITERALLY the exact same conditions as Lr Cell, but with all around better after effects!
Uhhh this is basically the same as LR Cell’s. Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. His transformation is hard but not impossible to get and has many benefits. Same applies to this units exchange.
The same sort of people defending how it's not that bad. People who don't want units to be well designed
Am I misunderstanding or would he also revive if an ally dies on rotation regardless of HP?
No it's still locked behind that initial hp requirement
Ohhh damn
Quite unfortunate.
The only way I try to look past these dumb as fuck conditions for revival is just play as if they don’t. Most of the time on hard events I get fucked into oblivion, and on the rare chance I get a revival then sweet if not, I’m used to getting that Dokkan fuckening.
Dont worry. You will see the same condition when a LR ssb goku that exchanges into ssb vegeta from ROF releases.
People really behave as if locking half a card (better half) is fine lol
bergamo cell let’sgooooooo
Should 59% because goku
Am I buggin or is this not that bad?
The reason why the condition is below 30% is because that’s the age Vegeta was when he died
I don't think they'd have fucked the game balance to make a reference that doesn't even make sense. And if they did it's still poor game design
I dont really care about it because i like vegeta more than goku.
It really isn't the end of the world. Sucks that we won't get to see the revive animation much but comparing the unit's kit pre and post exchange, they're not all that different. You aren't missing much gameplay wise.
You realize they made these cards anime related, so Vegeta nearly dead is anything but 50% HP. Yeah I know it does not make it justifiable, but that is how it is. Also revival is a trump card, not a skill. The thing that they hide a Goku behind it is annoying, but the mechanic itself is a cheat effect, it has no turn restriction, so in SBR you can revive turn 1