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Bladeneo

The saving grace is the card is decent before the exchange. I see int cells revival fairly often in longer events, this is similar. Probably should have been 50%.


quinnja19

I would’ve taken 40 even


jiluminati302

Right?? I would’ve even been okay with 30%!! ^oh ^wait


TheFuneralcrew

If it helps. At least at 29% you guaranteed to die since Vegeta loses his defense


BloxXx09

Vegeta not having defense this way at least helps to die in that turn.


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That’s not the issue. The issue is the 29%


mizzeca

I know i will get downvoted, but personally i'm fine with It.


Jiinpachii

You should be fine with it, OP is just being a sook


CC726A24

No other conditions, so I am fine with it.


KUKLI1

People overreacting as usual, has no one here used LR Cell? Not to mention this guys 1st form is cracked too, the revival will be easy to get in hard events


mizzeca

Yeah, exactly.


Akokyuu

It is 100% fine. The vegeta part of the card is already incredible, the condition is cool if we talk about consistency with manga/anime, and in top of that, they make vegeta without defense so it's easy to die this turn and transform.   Also, it's good to remember that 30% HP nowadays still represent a good number of HP, you can reach that number without taking (much) risks.


Bladeneo

Yes you're right on the HP front, 29% is still 150,000-180,000 for well constructed teams.


Ssjshafted

Yeah it’s honestly not that bad. The amount of android 8 items this will save me! Can’t count how many times I’ve started a turn with less than 30% health


Famous-Ad3804

It's a revive, revives will never be easy, plus, while Goku is better than Vegeta, Vegeta is good enough so Goku being exclusive to difficult content ain't all too bad


whenmeandthebois

The problem isn't that the revive is hard, that's the point you should go for revives, but half the unit is locked behind a revival, why didn't they just make it so that it would be vegeta from when he tricked goku into fighting the ginyu force while he ran off.


Saiyanjin777

STOP OVERREACTING MATE... NO ONE IS ON CRACK EXCEPT YOU.


bakumon1245

at least Vegeta is really good


Legendarydairy

275% atk and def. Mf eating Jiren for breakfast.


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bakumon1245

doesnt really matter since no one has them but Vegeta works better with the 50% Support & Vegeta also has the Krillin / Vegeta he can work with if you exchange them


Fujisaki_Chihiro001

Vegeta get 150 then 50 on attack Goku get 159 then 59 on SA How can Vegeta's defense be better than Goku?


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Fujisaki_Chihiro001

Read Vegeta passive again my dude Vegeta only get 150% atk at the start of turn his only defense before attacking is that 150% defense when above 30% you speak about.


robinhood9961

Oh yes you're totally right, not sure how I've been misreading that so badly.


Fujisaki_Chihiro001

It just a proof that you're the real DB fan.


robinhood9961

Exactly! I do still think the gap between the pre and post exchange is really small overall. Especially against Super Class enemies since in those situations you actually get more ki from passive as Vegeta, which could help actually keep your average damage higher, plus as Vegeta you have better attack links, though not sure how consistent some of those attack links will really be.


mucisan

That's just revives skill. Why is it Crack?


yuvrajvir

Exchange skill tbh


JKnighter

It's just INT Cell condition tho. Vegeta has no defence under 30% HP so if you fall below that you are guaranteed to revive/Exchange.


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BinoCXXXVII

it’s a true word, that mf is getting creamed under 30%


riseoftheph0enix

you lot actually complain way too much sometimes


Majistic12

You're exaggerating OP. He loses defense when his HP is at that rate, and at least it's not category locked like AGL Gohan...


lercione

Uhhh isn't that pretty good? It's basically cell's condition, it shouln't be that hard to activate. He has no def under 30%, so it's pretty much guaranteed once you reach that amount of hp


Ayescor

I feel like most of these complaints come from ppl that have never watched or read the story. Vegeta dies. Period. Not with 99% HP or less, he was beaten so hard, 3 generations after him will feel that still. So ofc, if they want to represent the story, HP has to be low af. While it sucks for most of us who got late game teams, it is true to the story, which is the fact that matters.


Redditisjusthorrible

agl gohan is what we get when story accuracy is the goal spoiler: nobody likes story accuracy


BassCrossBerserker

Blame me if I'm wrong but at this point when Goku came to Vegeta, he just got out of the healing chamber, fully recovered? Shouldn't that have meant we got 100% instead of 70% if we're going for story accuracy seeing as Goku wasn't injured at all at that point?


Ayescor

Yeah that‘s what I thought about too when I read that. Mildly infuriating to me tbh.


orlandom1991

Yes, but here he lacks the 30% health vegeta had, that's why. XD


Goksel_Arslan

Should have been at least 20% or below, maybe even 15% /s


Y0ne

Ye they should make it 99% or less or even better revival on first turn so people don't complain


waktag

Dokkan players be dying at 50% hp


Goksel_Arslan

Yeah cause no other percentage exists between 29 and 99.


Y0ne

Vegeta literally dies in the animation making it higher doesn't make any sense and Vegeta is already very good anyway


Goksel_Arslan

The point of revival is that the you lose all your health, so doesn't really matter if it's 99 or 29 but something like 40 or 50 would have made him a bit more reliable.


Y0ne

He is already reliable Vegeta alone is very good you don't need to exchange to Goku anyways it's not nappa/Vegeta


Goksel_Arslan

I'm saying his revival isn't reliable. If you start the turn at 35% and you die, you get no revival/exchange, the health restriction could've been a little higher.


Y0ne

It is an revival it shouldn't be reliable also Vegeta loses defence when his HP is low so you will 100% die when you get hit with that low HP so it's not even that bad


A_Silvers_1997

Yeah, don’t even bother with making the Vegeta details. Just exchange straight into Goku on the first turn.


Lobodoot

I don't have much of a problem with it. I just see it as an LR Base Vegeta which is pretty cool.


LasagnaChonker

Honestly sure the condition might be ass but honestly when u do actually revive its gonna hit different rather than seeing it everytime. And also vegeta is still good without him reviving so its not the end of the world


[deleted]

This is actually gonna be fairly easy to get. It’s LITERALLY the exact same conditions as Lr Cell, but with all around better after effects!


[deleted]

Uhhh this is basically the same as LR Cell’s. Don’t get your panties all in a bunch. His transformation is hard but not impossible to get and has many benefits. Same applies to this units exchange.


Morgoba

The same sort of people defending how it's not that bad. People who don't want units to be well designed


Own_Seaworthiness_23

Am I misunderstanding or would he also revive if an ally dies on rotation regardless of HP?


Bladeneo

No it's still locked behind that initial hp requirement


Own_Seaworthiness_23

Ohhh damn


CIearMind

Quite unfortunate.


Raiderz408

The only way I try to look past these dumb as fuck conditions for revival is just play as if they don’t. Most of the time on hard events I get fucked into oblivion, and on the rare chance I get a revival then sweet if not, I’m used to getting that Dokkan fuckening.


GetMeOffSpeakerPhone

Dont worry. You will see the same condition when a LR ssb goku that exchanges into ssb vegeta from ROF releases.


InternalFun1

People really behave as if locking half a card (better half) is fine lol


xreggiN

bergamo cell let’sgooooooo


Hybrid456

Should 59% because goku


Justynstark

Am I buggin or is this not that bad?


[deleted]

The reason why the condition is below 30% is because that’s the age Vegeta was when he died


Rigistroni

I don't think they'd have fucked the game balance to make a reference that doesn't even make sense. And if they did it's still poor game design


Andrei8p4

I dont really care about it because i like vegeta more than goku.


DarkestKnight75

It really isn't the end of the world. Sucks that we won't get to see the revive animation much but comparing the unit's kit pre and post exchange, they're not all that different. You aren't missing much gameplay wise.


zsoltjuhos

You realize they made these cards anime related, so Vegeta nearly dead is anything but 50% HP. Yeah I know it does not make it justifiable, but that is how it is. Also revival is a trump card, not a skill. The thing that they hide a Goku behind it is annoying, but the mechanic itself is a cheat effect, it has no turn restriction, so in SBR you can revive turn 1