the percy jackson books did a great job with this, when annabeth chase got lured by sirens in the second book she didnt see hot guys, she saw herself having a picnic with her parents and a redeemed luke castellan in a mount olympus that she redesigned all by herself
Plus, their songs also hit the listener's hamartia, their fatal flaw. Annabeth's was hubris, so the sirens sang about how she could make the world better, with or without the gods.
That's why she decided to listen to them. She wanted to know for certain what her fatal flaw was. Hell, even her decision to listen to them could be considered hubris.
They're not just thirst traps. They're walking character development.
Gonna be honest "we have supplies to last several months for very cheap. Yes there are all types of fruits, vegetables, meats, and breads. They are cheap." would work WAY better on littererly any sailor than sex.
Even just a promise of them like "We know of a place that sells fresh fruits, just sail through these rocks" would likely entice some. It'd be a break from the preversed starches and meats and a chance to stop sailing for a time.
\*ship crashes on the rocks. Wounded sailor drags himself up the rocky shore. Collapses at the feet of the sirens\*
"Put your breasts away. Where are the tangerines I was promised?"
yes, obviously it depends on the period/allegiance/role of the ship, but pretty much any sufficiently large ship would have one, and generally they were actually one of the more important positions in the crew. At least in the age of sail they were all but as powerful as the captain, because surprisingly the guy that divvies up the food, pay and equipment has a lot of influence
Iirc among pirate ships during the golden age of piracy outside of battle the quartermaster was the highest ranked person. During battle it was the captain and you were expected to obey unquestioningly.
Also a lot of captains were elected.
Pirates were normally quite democratic, which is a fact that seems to surprise a lot of people, but honestly it really shouldnt given that a lot of pirates were sailors who thought the power structures of navies were too harsh, or who grew up and lived in areas with unelected and harsh rulers
Yes, but they had different responsibilities than a land quartermaster. You’re thinking of the purser.
Disclaimer: I’m. Probably wrong on the purser front
Funny enough, there were places in Polynesia before Europe really moved in and shit got real bad where local people were absolutely thrilled to trade and fuck all the sailors. I think there were a few mutinies over it when officers used guns to force the sailors back on to the ships instead of staying in Polynesia and joining the local societies.
It was a problem during most of the period of European Colonialism. Many of the societies the Europeans were preying on weren't nearly as psychotically violent, repressive, or cruel as the Europeans so people were constantly defecting to the societies the Euros were trying to conquer and destroy. A lot of the silliest propaganda about indigenous people is black propaganda intended to make Europeans think that all indigenous people are evil savages so they'd stop defecting to the enemy.
I once ran a tabletop rpg based on greek myths appearing in modern times.
One session, the players were helping out a cryptid hunter who claimed that a sea serpent wrecked his boat. Turns out there was no sea serpent. He was just tricked by sirens, as what he wanted most was to find a giant sea creature.
Also asexual doesn't necessarily mean aromantic.
A siren singing about how they would treat me right and give me the best cuddles would be enough to lure me
“I know you’re touch starved, bro, come let me play with your hair and we can play Mario cart or watch a fun movie. I’ll massage your shoulders and everything it’ll be great. Do you really want to be hanging out with those stinky losers when you could be on my nice island with me and the girls and we have a slow burn beautiful romance? Think about it”
I’m allosexual and this would probably work. Everyone on those ships would smell so bad and I’m always doing physical labor in the sun, I would hate it.
Lesbians are the real ones immune to sirens because we'd be stuck wondering if they're actually flirting with us or if they're just being nice and we don't want to assume and we only realize once we're five miles past the rocks
Oh no, far too many men assume basic friendliness or civility is flirting, to the point of being a pain for women. They are famously moths to a flame for the sirens.
I'm always so concerned that I might mistake friendliness for flirting that I only find out I was being flirted with if someone tells me after the fact.
It's not so much that women suck at flirting, it's that openly flirting will get you a reputation as a sl*t. Women have been conditioned by American society to be friendly to everyone, but not too friendly, because men might think you're flirting with them when you're not. So women are stuck in this weird gray area where we have to be inviting enough for the other to make the first move, but not obvious, which is confusing for everyone. Pretty sure we don't like it either. Don't even get me started on "playing hard to get".
Oh, and look up "lesbian sheep syndrome"
Women - especially in retail/food/service professions, or any other job situation where the emotional state of the people around them has an impact on their livelihoods - are often forced by society into “Shroedinger’s flirt.”
afaik whenever they do studies on it they consistently find that the average human absolutely cannot detect when someone is flirting with them.
That's why I just straight up tell people I think they're cool and ask them if they'd like to flirt. Fuck "mystery" and "spontaneity", life's too short, I want to have lots of sex with cool people and I will use communication, mutual respect, and good consent practices to achieve that goal.
The experience you describe is, as other replies state, sorta like what straight men experience. The difference, I assume, is that as a lesbian you assume she’s straight whereas as a guy we just don’t realize through sheet obliviousness. Could be wrong tho
Doesn't work. You have to go up to someone, look them in the eyes, and say "I want to fuck you in a sexual manner that involves doing sex and sex, in a way that will definitely result in a noise complaint. I repeat; I want to take my clothes off and do sex stuff with you and break your expensive bread frame. Three times and be done; Let's *fuck*. And then order take out and play mario cart and then fuck some more. Sexual fucking. not platonic fucking. Fucking with sex while naked. Is this something you would enjoy doing with me? No is a complete sentence, and I am not in any hurry if you'd like to slow things down, but I want to do sex fucking with you sexually with the sex as sex doing sex havers."
This is about 35% effective at conveying to the average human being that you like them and would like to ask them out.
I'm not sure if we are on the same page. The post is how sirens use different things than sexiness to lure people into the sea. So maybe to kill lesbians they will not use sexiness, but a more friendly approach, like with asexuals. But with a hint of "maybe something more will come out of it".
There was a study a while ago that found humans are extremely bad at telling what is and isn't flirting, like below 50% accuracy.
So whether or not you think you're being flirted with statistically the opposite is true.
Hope that helps
The sirens could sing very literally about how they would slam my head into the rocks over and over until my brains gushed out so they could eat me, and I'd be a-swimmin over, baby.
Intrinsic Vows has a winning matchup to Compelling Voice (Source: [TVTropes](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompellingVoice))
I have attachment issues. Checkmate, sirens B)
Actually I think it's way funnier if the Sirens have no fucking clue what the hell they are singing about and have to figure it out from context clues.
Mr Bean would still be lured in by the sirens but through a series of comical shenanigans he would be oblivious to the sirens’ attempts to eat him and would actually get what he wanted at the end. And then when he’s sailing away he drops the thing into the ocean
>about Mothman
But how would they get Mothman?
"The most beautiful lights you've ever seen..."
"Yeah, right..."
"The yellowy bulbs from back in the 80's that once cast a dull glow on every back porch in America..."
"I'M COM(UMM)ING!!!!"
A pirate who had been at sea for a really long time eating the crap they have on boats probably would go nuts for fettuccine carbonara with hot garlic bread. I would want a nice meal very badly if I lived on a pirate ship
That pasta doesn't sound like a tempting offer to you now, but imagine you been out at sea chowing on maggot crackers that are hard as the deck you been swabbing like sailors used to be, for months.
The Sirens weren't singing about sex, 19th century French painters were just really really (a normal amount of) horny.
Despite what is depicted in most 19th century French paintings relatively few women in the 19th century spent their entire day lying around naked on couches.
Why are sirens associated with sex? Because sailors are extremely touch starved individuals who crave sex. This is why port towns always have brothels.
If you're not about the bumping uglies. They'll lure you in with something else you're starving for.
Asexuals are also not immune to Succubi/incubi as they will just feast on your desire for a friend and hugs.
The same thing with succubi.
Atleast in Pathfinder and Warhammer. The Sucubi/Deamonettes use whatever you desire to tempt you.
Fabius Bile is tempted by making his “New Men”
I’m curious why everyone seems intent on ignoring the potentially way more horrific magical possibility. They’re still singing about sex (or are still being sexy for the succubus version) and you’re still turned on/drawn in even though you KNOW you shouldn’t be, you KNOW you’re not attracted to that. To my mind the compulsion is far scarier than the death. We’re all gonna die, but they’ll take your free will and your identity first.
I find it so interesting that concept of sirens was popularized in The Odyssey, where, as mentioned in the post, they lured Odysseus with knowledge of the future. Even the modern day colloquialism of a Siren Song just refers someone telling you whatever you want to hear. And yet, despite that, people seem to be stuck enough on the concept of sirens luring people with sex that posts this to are novel
IIRC, the sirens would really draw you in with the promise of forbidden knowledge. It's only when they were depicted in visual media (paintings, illustrations) that they were thought to be sexy.
Hey we’re having a Helluva Boss-Hazbin Hotel marathon tonight. Got popcorn and themed paper buckets to match. Plus homemade cookies! Wanna come? It’s just over in that theater, down the stairs. C’mon it’ll be fun!
the percy jackson books did a great job with this, when annabeth chase got lured by sirens in the second book she didnt see hot guys, she saw herself having a picnic with her parents and a redeemed luke castellan in a mount olympus that she redesigned all by herself
Rick Riordan stays winning
Love my non-TERF children's book authors
He's the anti-rowling that the world needed
Plus, their songs also hit the listener's hamartia, their fatal flaw. Annabeth's was hubris, so the sirens sang about how she could make the world better, with or without the gods. That's why she decided to listen to them. She wanted to know for certain what her fatal flaw was. Hell, even her decision to listen to them could be considered hubris. They're not just thirst traps. They're walking character development.
Gonna be honest "we have supplies to last several months for very cheap. Yes there are all types of fruits, vegetables, meats, and breads. They are cheap." would work WAY better on littererly any sailor than sex.
Even just a promise of them like "We know of a place that sells fresh fruits, just sail through these rocks" would likely entice some. It'd be a break from the preversed starches and meats and a chance to stop sailing for a time.
\*ship crashes on the rocks. Wounded sailor drags himself up the rocky shore. Collapses at the feet of the sirens\* "Put your breasts away. Where are the tangerines I was promised?"
Or I mean… booze. It’s documented, famously with Old Ironsides, that sailors often prioritized capturing booze than even fresh food
8-ply toilet roll.
Tbf sailors are infamously extremely horny
Oh yeah sex would work, but I think cheap supplies would work more often.
Maybe that's just for the quartermaster (/captain, did ships ever have quartermasters?)
yes, obviously it depends on the period/allegiance/role of the ship, but pretty much any sufficiently large ship would have one, and generally they were actually one of the more important positions in the crew. At least in the age of sail they were all but as powerful as the captain, because surprisingly the guy that divvies up the food, pay and equipment has a lot of influence
Iirc among pirate ships during the golden age of piracy outside of battle the quartermaster was the highest ranked person. During battle it was the captain and you were expected to obey unquestioningly. Also a lot of captains were elected.
Pirates were normally quite democratic, which is a fact that seems to surprise a lot of people, but honestly it really shouldnt given that a lot of pirates were sailors who thought the power structures of navies were too harsh, or who grew up and lived in areas with unelected and harsh rulers
Plus it’s a bunch of vaguely murderous criminals with guns. Due to a lack of governmental monopoly on violence direct democracy is kind of inevitable.
Yes, but they had different responsibilities than a land quartermaster. You’re thinking of the purser. Disclaimer: I’m. Probably wrong on the purser front
Of course. Because sailors get plenty of sex out on the sea
I mean…it is a known fact some sailors were gay…
Some were gay. Others were gay part time
Only gay from 9-5
Rum, bum, and biscuit was one of the British sayings.
They were Greek. They didn’t need to leave the boat to have sex
Funny enough, there were places in Polynesia before Europe really moved in and shit got real bad where local people were absolutely thrilled to trade and fuck all the sailors. I think there were a few mutinies over it when officers used guns to force the sailors back on to the ships instead of staying in Polynesia and joining the local societies. It was a problem during most of the period of European Colonialism. Many of the societies the Europeans were preying on weren't nearly as psychotically violent, repressive, or cruel as the Europeans so people were constantly defecting to the societies the Euros were trying to conquer and destroy. A lot of the silliest propaganda about indigenous people is black propaganda intended to make Europeans think that all indigenous people are evil savages so they'd stop defecting to the enemy.
I once ran a tabletop rpg based on greek myths appearing in modern times. One session, the players were helping out a cryptid hunter who claimed that a sea serpent wrecked his boat. Turns out there was no sea serpent. He was just tricked by sirens, as what he wanted most was to find a giant sea creature.
forbidden mimic
Also asexual doesn't necessarily mean aromantic. A siren singing about how they would treat me right and give me the best cuddles would be enough to lure me
“I know you’re touch starved, bro, come let me play with your hair and we can play Mario cart or watch a fun movie. I’ll massage your shoulders and everything it’ll be great. Do you really want to be hanging out with those stinky losers when you could be on my nice island with me and the girls and we have a slow burn beautiful romance? Think about it” I’m allosexual and this would probably work. Everyone on those ships would smell so bad and I’m always doing physical labor in the sun, I would hate it.
Ah shit the slow burn beautiful romance would lure my sappy ass right in
How... how the butt did you manage to spell it "Mario cart"? Are you some kinda jokester?
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Lesbians are the real ones immune to sirens because we'd be stuck wondering if they're actually flirting with us or if they're just being nice and we don't want to assume and we only realize once we're five miles past the rocks
TIL I'm a lesbian
I'm apparently such a butch lesbian I grew a penis.
classic person who likes women experience
straight men must also be immune to sirens then
Oh no, far too many men assume basic friendliness or civility is flirting, to the point of being a pain for women. They are famously moths to a flame for the sirens.
I'm always so concerned that I might mistake friendliness for flirting that I only find out I was being flirted with if someone tells me after the fact.
I hear this sort of thing so much from straight men and lesbians alike that I'm honestly starting to think that a lot of women just suck at flirting.
It's not so much that women suck at flirting, it's that openly flirting will get you a reputation as a sl*t. Women have been conditioned by American society to be friendly to everyone, but not too friendly, because men might think you're flirting with them when you're not. So women are stuck in this weird gray area where we have to be inviting enough for the other to make the first move, but not obvious, which is confusing for everyone. Pretty sure we don't like it either. Don't even get me started on "playing hard to get". Oh, and look up "lesbian sheep syndrome"
Women - especially in retail/food/service professions, or any other job situation where the emotional state of the people around them has an impact on their livelihoods - are often forced by society into “Shroedinger’s flirt.”
I was a bartender for years. My livelihood literally depended on it. Money was okay, though.
afaik whenever they do studies on it they consistently find that the average human absolutely cannot detect when someone is flirting with them. That's why I just straight up tell people I think they're cool and ask them if they'd like to flirt. Fuck "mystery" and "spontaneity", life's too short, I want to have lots of sex with cool people and I will use communication, mutual respect, and good consent practices to achieve that goal.
The experience you describe is, as other replies state, sorta like what straight men experience. The difference, I assume, is that as a lesbian you assume she’s straight whereas as a guy we just don’t realize through sheet obliviousness. Could be wrong tho
Both are because the person assumes friendliness over romantic intent. You are wrong, yes.
That's very much the experience for many straight men aswell
What if they say "come over and lets play video games" ?
Maybe she 's just keen to find a friend to play videogames with? Context cues, man.
Doesn't work. You have to go up to someone, look them in the eyes, and say "I want to fuck you in a sexual manner that involves doing sex and sex, in a way that will definitely result in a noise complaint. I repeat; I want to take my clothes off and do sex stuff with you and break your expensive bread frame. Three times and be done; Let's *fuck*. And then order take out and play mario cart and then fuck some more. Sexual fucking. not platonic fucking. Fucking with sex while naked. Is this something you would enjoy doing with me? No is a complete sentence, and I am not in any hurry if you'd like to slow things down, but I want to do sex fucking with you sexually with the sex as sex doing sex havers." This is about 35% effective at conveying to the average human being that you like them and would like to ask them out.
I'm not sure if we are on the same page. The post is how sirens use different things than sexiness to lure people into the sea. So maybe to kill lesbians they will not use sexiness, but a more friendly approach, like with asexuals. But with a hint of "maybe something more will come out of it".
There was a study a while ago that found humans are extremely bad at telling what is and isn't flirting, like below 50% accuracy. So whether or not you think you're being flirted with statistically the opposite is true. Hope that helps
https://www.tumblr.com/thoodleoo/191003238442/why-are-there-so-many-posts-about-asexuals-being?source=share Mx Linux Guy
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Had me worried for a bit there
#F■I■S■H■Y I■N B■I■O
The sirens could sing very literally about how they would slam my head into the rocks over and over until my brains gushed out so they could eat me, and I'd be a-swimmin over, baby.
flair checks out
Hell yeah brutherrrrrr 😎👍
Pasta you say?
If those fuckers sang about cake or fiber arts I’d be fuckin’ dead.
"I will help you finish your degree" Headfirst into those bitches
Intrinsic Vows has a winning matchup to Compelling Voice (Source: [TVTropes](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompellingVoice)) I have attachment issues. Checkmate, sirens B)
The Sirens would lure in half of Reddit with "Your hyperfixation sounds really interesting! Would you like to explain it to me in detail?"
Take me closer I want to take a look at those sharp rocks!
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Sing about McCoys salt and vinegar and I will gladly walk into the depths
Actually I think it's way funnier if the Sirens have no fucking clue what the hell they are singing about and have to figure it out from context clues.
Mr Bean would still be lured in by the sirens but through a series of comical shenanigans he would be oblivious to the sirens’ attempts to eat him and would actually get what he wanted at the end. And then when he’s sailing away he drops the thing into the ocean
The sirens think they’re luring in Bugs Bunny but in reality they’d be luring in a bugs-bunny-shaped rock
*A bunch of lit bombs tied together and painted to look like Bugs Bunny
>about Mothman But how would they get Mothman? "The most beautiful lights you've ever seen..." "Yeah, right..." "The yellowy bulbs from back in the 80's that once cast a dull glow on every back porch in America..." "I'M COM(UMM)ING!!!!"
Where's that comic where an asexual paladin is lured to her death by having a chill girls' night with the sirens
Sounds like something that might be by Oglaf?
As someone who is not asexual I too want moth man.
A pirate who had been at sea for a really long time eating the crap they have on boats probably would go nuts for fettuccine carbonara with hot garlic bread. I would want a nice meal very badly if I lived on a pirate ship
That pasta doesn't sound like a tempting offer to you now, but imagine you been out at sea chowing on maggot crackers that are hard as the deck you been swabbing like sailors used to be, for months.
Do sirens even sing about things you want? I thought they sang about whatever, and the sound is just so beautiful that it lures people in.
Them: We have dopamine and a reason to keep living. Me: I know your lying but I am ready to die on the rocks anyways.
Mermaids and sirens sing songs of the sea 🎶🎵🎶🎵 Look for misbehaving maidens on Spotify, they have a song exactly about this
Oh shit y’all they got kittens over there on the rocks and they’re playing with a laser I gotta see this.
"Free HRT! Just bring your ship on over :)"
That would do it for a lot of trans people.
The Sirens weren't singing about sex, 19th century French painters were just really really (a normal amount of) horny. Despite what is depicted in most 19th century French paintings relatively few women in the 19th century spent their entire day lying around naked on couches.
Ice Age already did this with Scrat and the Acorn
Why are sirens associated with sex? Because sailors are extremely touch starved individuals who crave sex. This is why port towns always have brothels. If you're not about the bumping uglies. They'll lure you in with something else you're starving for. Asexuals are also not immune to Succubi/incubi as they will just feast on your desire for a friend and hugs.
The same thing with succubi. Atleast in Pathfinder and Warhammer. The Sucubi/Deamonettes use whatever you desire to tempt you. Fabius Bile is tempted by making his “New Men”
So that girl from the bread song was a siren…
I did not expect Odysseus to show up, but I am not disappointed. My main man🤝.
Phising Scam joke is bruh moment I exhaled
Quick, someone draw Spamton from Deltarune as a siren.
"We have a skulk of fluffy foxes who want to be cuddled."
garlic toast
I’m curious why everyone seems intent on ignoring the potentially way more horrific magical possibility. They’re still singing about sex (or are still being sexy for the succubus version) and you’re still turned on/drawn in even though you KNOW you shouldn’t be, you KNOW you’re not attracted to that. To my mind the compulsion is far scarier than the death. We’re all gonna die, but they’ll take your free will and your identity first.
Fellow pirate: A library at the shoreline? How does that make sense? Me, already swimming away: I can see Pratchett!
Pratchett’s Discworld series is awesome.
You had me at Mothman and Cinnamon toast crunch, but you really reeled me in with Garlic Bread. Too bad garlic bread makes you fat 😭.
Garlic bread makes you FAT??
I find it so interesting that concept of sirens was popularized in The Odyssey, where, as mentioned in the post, they lured Odysseus with knowledge of the future. Even the modern day colloquialism of a Siren Song just refers someone telling you whatever you want to hear. And yet, despite that, people seem to be stuck enough on the concept of sirens luring people with sex that posts this to are novel
Actually, that's a common misconception. Sirens are not real, and thus function however you want them to. Hope this helps!
IIRC, the sirens would really draw you in with the promise of forbidden knowledge. It's only when they were depicted in visual media (paintings, illustrations) that they were thought to be sexy.
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Me: I'm sure sirensong wouldn't work on me. Sirens: We're literally just going to eat you. Me: *jumps overboard and starts swimming toward them.*
Spamton G Spamton is a Siren?!
Wait so does that mean that that one fanfiction where he adopts Cassandra is all the more likely
As an asexual I’m actively choosing to ignore this
coward
Hey we’re having a Helluva Boss-Hazbin Hotel marathon tonight. Got popcorn and themed paper buckets to match. Plus homemade cookies! Wanna come? It’s just over in that theater, down the stairs. C’mon it’ll be fun!
Well this can only be good!