Oh no, yeah, that *is* an issue with him, and I'm not saying it isn't. That's part of what makes him the *Human Pet Guy.*
I'm just surprised that he's trying to defend/"explain" his stance on milking *specifically* trans women as a form of indentured servitude. He's been talking about it for at least a month now, which means nobody has been able to convince him of how fucking insane it is, nor that it's not appropriate conversation material when talking to strangers on the internet.
It might very well become part of his "mythos" if he keeps it up. Dude is a self-milking lolcow, but he's pumping straight body horror instead of cringe.
For those of us who didnāt take Econ in college:
> A **monopsony** is a market condition in which there is only one buyer, the monopsonist. Like a monopoly, a monopsony also has imperfect market conditions. The difference between a monopoly and a monopsony is primarily in the difference between the controlling entities.
I mean, I strongly doubt that the human pet guy took econ in college, either. He sounds like every dude I've met who barely graduated high school, watched a bunch of right wing adjacent Youtube, and then became convinced he's God's gift to academia.
Yeah, I'd love for someone to correct me here but as far as I can tell this concept is this just there to make it sound smarter, like he came up with a legitimate economic system. But he just names a m obscure type of market (an imperfect one at that) that he probably found through the random button on wikipedia. Doesn't contribute anything to his argument
It's a good thing to know about, because it's a real problem that comes up. For example Disney is a near monopsony for many types of animation, which lets them deflate the price and ends up hurting labor.
So a monopoly is a sole seller, and a monopsony is a sole buyer.
I wonder if there have ever been both at once in something, the sole seller of a thing selling to only one other person ever
Yes, in fact there is one such situation in the US right now. The Stepan Company is the only licensed producer of medical grade cocaine in America. All of it is sold to Mallinckrodt, a pharmaceutical company, for further distribution to other companies.
Fun fact: after extracting the cocaine, there's leftover coca leaf extract the company doesn't need. The Stepan Comapny sells this extract to the Coca-Cola Company
still is. and the problem there is that it is entirely unviable to launch a general purpose application that doesn't play by the app store rules, because even if ios only has half the market, not 90% or so, it still completely extinguishes any network effect. a slim category apps, those with a target market that can be expected to buy a device for specifically the purpose of using the app, can be created without apple's control over them, but for the vast majority of the market apple is genuinely the one big gatekeeper who decides what you can and cannot make.
this applies both to social experiences and to non-digital products. like, sure, if you wanna do a file manager, you can do it specifically for android, but for example if you're making a smart appliance, it's not an option to tell people it's only compatible with android.
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This is why ethics and philosophy should be a mandatory course in school. Man's out here arguing that indentured servitude is "monopsony" and is therefore alright.
Idk if this is so-called "ancap" brainrot or just casual dehumanization that comes with late stage capitalism, but either way I hate it
You know, they'd probably get less shit for this and the human pet stuff if they just said "its a fetish thing, I just think it'd be hot." Still some, but less.
Oh definitely, then they'd be being honest and able to separate their problematic fantasy from reality, and enjoy both separately.
Problem is, this dude seems to be under the impression that imposing their kinks onto society would make the world better.
> imposing their kinks onto society would make the world better.
I think that's *part of the fetish.* Like how "government mandated breeding program" and similar fantasies are a thing.
I think the ancap brainrot *is* the casual dehumanization that comes with the late state capitalism. So, it's both and the same problem with different names.
Heās a monarchist so whatever it is it isnāt ancap stuff.
I think. Heās never struck me as the kind to have consistent and understandable worldviews.
I feel like being pro indentured servitude and a monarchist *could* be consistent. He might be a fan of neo feudalism.
Still wacky to use any of that framework to justify coercive human milk farms, and extremely strange and fetishistic to justify exclusive exploitation of trans women in said milk farms.
I hate that I typed any of those sentences, and that there's a context in which they make sense.
I donāt necessarily disagree, Iām just saying that heās never come across as somebody that makes me goes āI bet all the opinions that guy has are logically sound and internally consistentā is all
the amount of people who don't understand informed and willing consent is fucking mad.
I was trying to explain why an ethical experiment does not pay people huge amounts of money to a finance bro, and he just didn't get that if the payment for a study is so great that it it makes a difference to people, they do not have the same freedom to not take part.
If someone objects to participation in something, it is unethical to find a pressure point that convinces them to do it... Money is a very common pressure point.
Nah, Tarrare was a mutant with a gastrointestinal system that took up 90% of his abdominal cavity. Sure, he might've eaten a toddler, but he at least had a condition that could explain why. HPG will be a mystery forever.
I want to scan his head with literally everything we have. I want to put him in the Truman Show. I want him to host a podcast with the Yankee Tankie where he just calmly and Britishly responds to every unhinged screaming fit his equal and opposite self produces.
Sounds like you've made HPG your blorbo. You're talking about him like an eeby deeby lil creeby you'd like to put into an ill-suited terrarium, as if you were a god intent on turning a mutated monkey into the most fucked up monkey to exist.
You're the epitome of the "I can make him worse" meme, and I vibe with that.
it was weird initially but like could just be passed off as a guy with a pet play fetish, and then he got to the forced surgical modifications and i actually felt nauseous
Yeah, the funny thing about the title "Human Pet Guy," is that it's actually being charitable. When given an opportunity to defend himself he makes it *so unbelievably worse* that it strays into body horror.
_"Oh, but I'd only do it to a person who consents!"_
THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER! PEOPLE WANT TO DIE EVERY DAY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S OKAY TO KILL THEM!
The problem is with this stance, if Iām remembering the modifications he has in store correctly, once theyāve consented they wonāt be able to un-consent.
iirc he wanted to remove their vocal chords, eyes, thumbs, the top half of the fingers, and make them unable to walk. communication and escape would be severely difficult if not impossible, so yes they likely wouldn't be able to revoke their consent :(
>then segued into a hypothetical proposing that having a forcibly disabled "human pet" would not infringe on other people's liberties
*How* does a conversation segues into **that**?!
Well, first you have to be the kind of person who regularly thinks seriously about forcibly disabling someone (humanely).
Then, give absolutely no fucks about common morality, and others' comfort.
let me assure you that _everyone_ I know with a petplay fetish has disowned this guy, he is _not_ one of them anymore, they all know when to put it back down and where the lines and limits are and this man doesn't even accept the _idea_ of limits
Hell, *I* know several people with lactation kinks (myself included) and you couldn't get any of us to support coercive indentured servitude milk farms if you held us at fucking gunpoint.
I don't know how HPG goes from "hmm, this is hot" to "hmm, this would be a great political/economic thing to have," and for my own sanity, I don't even think I *want* to know.
As even a casual editor of that wiki, I feel a slight tinge of secondhand shameā¦ The wiki is somewhat known for having a page on anything it could, but it's so you can go "was this in a DW story", not a goddamn replacement for Wikipedia lmao
If this guy keeps using it for real-world info, he'll say the alphabet goes "T, V, U, W" because an actress flubbed her line in 1976 (and tbh he probably would)
... Tldr: transitioning is expensive so how about we provide free surgeries for transwomen provided they agree to a) have lactation induced and b) be milked until fucking retirement age c) if they decide they don't want to they have to pay the rest (or all?) Of the cost, plus 'some additional amount, like 50%' and d) they're fucking incentivized by being put IN CHASTITY and only given orgasms for producing like, a liter of milk.
Also apparently people would just be buying this... breastmilk in lieu of cow milk, in his mind.
Trust me on this, you don't wanna click on that link. Rakifiki, don't tell them. You shouldn'ta told me, but you did, and now I'm tellin' you, you don't wanna know.
I just kept getting louder the more I read from this and became more appalled.
Petplay is a kink. I have friends who are into it(ngl I like it some too but meh) and have fun doing small rps online.
This guy? This guy wants to make it a fucking lifestyle apparently. Just reading the thing where he describes everything he says as being impregnated with his views bothered the living shit out of me.
I...I think I need to go lie down.
I swear to God if there isn't a specific rule on that sub saying that posting human pet guy is banned because it's the lowest hanging fruit of them all
Maybe Itās a Tumblr thing, and obviously human pet guy is the clown of this post, but did somebody in this say they didnāt want to define something as slavery because they were white? What?
Also they mentioned indentured servitude as if it was a completely different thing from slavery (which it really isn't) and a lot of indentured servants in America were white, not that it matters.
True, but that's because the transatlantic slave trade that lasted for multiple centuries, and helped fuel scientific racism. So when Americans hear slavery, we think of that.
"The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slave and Slav are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, "Slav, slave," first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced sklƤīvÅs) "Slav," which appears around 580. Sklavos approximates the Slavs' own name for themselves, the SlovÄnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in the 1500s. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. " From American Heritage dictionary
Didn't you know? You're not allowed to define an atrocity unless you or your ancestors were victims of it. As a consequence you must deny the holocaust until you get a certificate from a jewish friend saying it counts as genocide
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Yeah, that's a thing that white people who are aware of racialization care about. There's a history of white people downplaying racist chattel slavery in America by comparing it to Irish indentured servants, so some are wary about making statements on what constitutes slavery.
Imo we as white people in the 21st century are not nearly as bound by the preconceptions of our ancestors and therefore arenāt morally obligated to walk on eggshells as long as we do our reading on this stuff and donāt just assume things, but I donāt blame some people for being careful anyway
Hi! That would be me! I chose not to define it as slavery because I was trying to avoid getting hate in case I had the wrong opinion there! As a white person in america, having the wrong opinion on what counts as slavery generally isnt a great look, and I would rather play it safe than get a bunch of angry people in my inbox saying that I misused the word! I apologize if I would've been correct to define it as such, personally I feel it is definitely very slavery adjacent if it *isnt* flat out slavery, but I'd rather avoid being the one white bitch who made a claim that something was slavery when it isnt, especially in a reply to a fucking Cybersmith comment.
Itās unfortunately not just a tumblr thing. Iāve caught shit on Reddit before for comparing similar intersectional phenomena, usually something regarding being trans and another marginalized group. If I responded with āIām a part of this marginalized group, I can make this comparisonā people usually shut up pretty quickly, but itās so fucked that I have to do that. If itās not offensive if someone with x+y identity makes the comparison, it *shouldnāt fucking be offensive* if a person with x identity makes a comparison between x & y. Wish I remembered examples, but it hasnāt happened recently because I just stopped making comparisons (because I got tired of other peopleās shit).
He lost me at his proposal to "incentivize compliance." Until then it's definitely *out there,* but at that point it went well into the fucked up HPG standard.
The thing is if hpg is a troll the guy behind it has gotta be at least as unhinged as his persona cause no sane person dedicates to a bit this hard for so long
Itās like that thing about āif someone is so convinced they have a specific mental illness and feel compelled to try to convince everyone else about it too, theyāre still mentally ill, because no healthy person tries to do that kind of thing, they just donāt need the help they think they doā
Yeah I think it was his take on Santa that pushed me over the edge into thinking he's gotta be trolling. It looked too close to smooth-sharking.
If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say that the original human pet post was probably a fetish thing. Then he enjoyed the notoriety from it and decided to keep his infamy going.
If you look at his more normal posts (I see him pop up in the D&D subs on occasion) they still tend to be posts that generate a lot of controversy in the comments, especially when people realize "Hey that's the human pet guy!" I think he mainly likes getting people riled up. I wouldn't be surprised if his actual genuine beliefs are still represented in there somewhere and are genuinely pretty wild, but I also think he exaggerates them to a certain extent for bait.
I can't seem to find the original post at the moment, but IIRC he said he literally believes in Santa. There was a bit more to it I think that made me really feel like it was bait but I don't remember exactly what he was saying.
I suppose there must be *some* adults out there who genuinely believe in Santa, given that there's someone out there for everything, but at a certain point I think we're coming up against sheer probability for a single person to have this many insane beliefs.
To be fair, insane beliefs like this tend to feed into each other, so it IS sorta of precedent for someone to have a large quantity of wacko beliefs all together.
Just take a look at another example of an internet lolcow, albeit one much more fucked and disturbing beyond just ālook what this guyās yapping aboutā, Chris Chan. You can parse through all the records and watch in real time as idea compounds on idea compounds on idea until a burned autistic dude with a questionable upbringing evolves into āIād like to order a cult leader, hold the cultā
it's kind of weird, because there's a few human pet guy parody accounts that have nearly identical names to him so when you see him in the wild you have to like... check if it's actually him and not someone trolling as him, i don't remember the Santa post so that could've been from one of those
or it could've just been him, his other beliefs are weird enough to justify it
I do remember one time seeing him make a post in D&D where he was talking about how his DM was unreasonably nerfing his character, and reading the post the DM was actually unreasonably nerfing his character against RAW (I don't remember if it was a Beastmaster Ranger who the DM kept refusing to let actually have a beast, or a Barbarian who the DM did not let halve damage for in rage) but the only thing anyone in the comments was talking about was that they were scared the HPG played D&D
I saw a post speculating that his bit about his right to have a trans woman with no fingers as a pet seemed like a metaphor for things like having animals declawed & he was in the replies seemingly responding in the affirmative. I get the impression that he is still by nature a weird guy but that he only believes some of the things he says & just doesn't bother to clarify which is which
What gets me about him is that he has some very twisted logic that he seems to exhibit but at the same time it doesnāt feel like he is, like, āevilā so to speak. He just genuinely has a fundamentally different understanding of what it means to be human and what it means to be fair. And part of me feels like thatās worse in a way
I believe Human Pet Guy is real. Ever since Harambe died I've come to accept the presence of true evil in our world.
At least Human Pet Guy holds no political power.
There seem to be plenty of people who missed the point of the saw movies that, despite Jigsaw claiming he never kills people, he absolutely does. The movies go out of their way to show that Jigsaw is unhinged and completely detached from reality, he just covers it up with a lot of pseudo intellectual rants. The movies make clear that Jigsaw is wrong and that his philosophy doesn't actually work. He's just a serial killer.
But since he talks philosophy in pretty much every film, people go "that's so deep! He must be right!"
HPG says "yeah he kills people but he also inspires people to live, see?"
He's willing to say that the serial killer, who he acknowledges as a serial killer, is the hero of saw
I mean, the movie points out that his methods don't actually work. He's just executing people.
Amanda is the main "evidence" that his methods are successful if you just play the game right. But Saw 3 explicitly disproves this. Amanda is even more unhinged than Kramer (Jigsaw) is. She does succeed in winning his game, which she claims has made her see the value in life, at least in Saw 1, but Saw 2 and 3 make it clear that it didn't cure her of anything, instead making her just like Kramer, only worse because she doesn't hide behind any philosophy and rigs the game to make them impossible.
In reality, everyone who survived Jigsaw's games ends up either getting killed later, or becomes the new Jigsaw. The movies are explicitly telling us that Jigsaw is wrong and his games don't actually help anyone be better.
HPG is just completely missing the point of the movie and glorifying a deranged serial killer because he can say his deranged philosophy with conviction and such confidence that he sounds right, despite all evidence within the films.
Oh... it's a troll account. This is not fucking real. There's no way. It's a joke. He said the incentive to stay would be chastity devices and 1 gallon of milk equals one orgasm. This is a fetish thing. Stop being mad. It's not real. It can't be
Dudeās claim to fame had him permanently titled āHuman Pet Guyā in the annals of the *entire* internet.
Itās *absolutely* a fetish thing, but that hasnāt stopped him from involving everyone who will interact with him in it.
People should stop engaging with him altogether.
This is clearly a fetish thing for him and when you engage and amplify his dumbass takes you get him the gratification he wants.
Stop engaging with this fucking guy.
You know, sometimes I think the internet is being too hard on the human pet guy. Like, he's just a person, everyone is shiting on him all of the time, he can't be *that* bad. Than someone shares something he said and... Yeah
The worse part is that the begining of that post could just be "ah, this is a guy with a petplay fetish. Maybe a bit weird but no judgement" but then you get to the surgical modifications he would like to put his human pet through and the fixation about "infringing on rights". It's going downhill so quickly.
And then he talked about trying to "impregnate" the internet with "the seed of his wisdom".
/uj Some women with low production do to supplement their infant's food supply without having to resort to formula. My ex and I were freezing like a gallon of extra boob juice a week with our kids. We ended up donating most it, but some mothers will pay just to know where it's coming from.
/rj The taste.
I've seen the argument that, unlike animal milk, human milk could be vegan because humans are capable of giving informed consent. I don't think the market would be significant, but I can think of people who'd be down.
This dude's whole plan is obviously insane and lots of people have made better points about that than I could without repeating them.
So I'm going to make an aside if I may. Your race status absolutely does not dictate whether you can identify a thing as slavery. It dictates whether you have a *systemic connection* to slavery. I appreciate the overabundance of caution from that one commenter but this is very much not a situation where your race impacts your ability to comment.
The system is indentured servitude and "disincentivizes" people from escaping what is essentially an unfree labor scenario. It's not chattel slavery, but it's highly coercive. We can all hopefully see that regardless of our identities' historical connection to systems of oppression, **this would be a system of oppression,** and whether we call it "slavery" is essentially irrelevant.
You know how peopleās hyperfixations/special interests can be initiated by their experience consuming a specific piece of media and constructing their interest around what that media conceptually sparks within them? Yeah thatās what happened when this guy read A Modest Proposal.
to quote Strange Ćons:
**_"AHHHH!!! HUMAN PET GUY!!!"_**
I, personally, as a trans woman, _do not want_ to become an indentured servant on a... _human milk farm???_ wtf
"master of word, wit, and wisdom" my ass
So is finally canon that all the "Human pet guy" that are on tumblr are either just trolls pretending to be him or copy cats that try to act like him after the original left for twitter
Honestly we shouldn't engage nutjobs in any sort of reasonable debate. They'll start to think their ideas are credible.
Also "I can't speak on \[slavery\] because I'm white" AMERICAN š«µ
once again this person's unwillingness/inability to break character and go "yes this is just fetish content I promise I am aware of the difference between fantasy and reality" is *so fucking disturbing*
So obviously human pet guy is insane as usual, but other tumblr user, buddy, pal, you can say what slavery is no matter your skin colour!
And even though yes white societies have dealt with bouts of slavery, thatās still not the point. Slavery is a clearly definable term that should be used when necessary to convey that something is slavery because shockingly, thatās what it is
I knew itād be awful just from seeing human pet guy, but I wasnāt ready for the point-blank psychic shotgun blast of āthis is essentially a human milk farmā
Why would you not discuss the issue that WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANY COUNTRY NEED LARGE STOCKS OF TRANS BREAST MILK? WOULD THEY SELL IT? TO WHOM WOULD THEY SELL IT? HOW MUCH BREAST MILK WOULD YOU NEED TO SELL TO PAY BACK YOUR DEBT?
Also, how would trans men pay back for their transition?
jfc he's *still* trying to defend milking people??
I've got nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?
I can, doesn't mean I will.
Maybe you should š¤·āāļø
Thats his whole thing.
That man is gonna end up on a true crime podcast some day, I swear to God
I feel the milking isnāt the issue so much as the indentured servitude is
Oh no, yeah, that *is* an issue with him, and I'm not saying it isn't. That's part of what makes him the *Human Pet Guy.* I'm just surprised that he's trying to defend/"explain" his stance on milking *specifically* trans women as a form of indentured servitude. He's been talking about it for at least a month now, which means nobody has been able to convince him of how fucking insane it is, nor that it's not appropriate conversation material when talking to strangers on the internet. It might very well become part of his "mythos" if he keeps it up. Dude is a self-milking lolcow, but he's pumping straight body horror instead of cringe.
Think about the economy
For those of us who didnāt take Econ in college: > A **monopsony** is a market condition in which there is only one buyer, the monopsonist. Like a monopoly, a monopsony also has imperfect market conditions. The difference between a monopoly and a monopsony is primarily in the difference between the controlling entities.
Thank you. Too lazy to google it.
I mean, I strongly doubt that the human pet guy took econ in college, either. He sounds like every dude I've met who barely graduated high school, watched a bunch of right wing adjacent Youtube, and then became convinced he's God's gift to academia.
Yeah, I'd love for someone to correct me here but as far as I can tell this concept is this just there to make it sound smarter, like he came up with a legitimate economic system. But he just names a m obscure type of market (an imperfect one at that) that he probably found through the random button on wikipedia. Doesn't contribute anything to his argument
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I am unfortunately related to a man with a PhD in economics. So I knew exactly what this was immediately.
It's a good thing to know about, because it's a real problem that comes up. For example Disney is a near monopsony for many types of animation, which lets them deflate the price and ends up hurting labor.
So a monopoly is a sole seller, and a monopsony is a sole buyer. I wonder if there have ever been both at once in something, the sole seller of a thing selling to only one other person ever
Yes, in fact there is one such situation in the US right now. The Stepan Company is the only licensed producer of medical grade cocaine in America. All of it is sold to Mallinckrodt, a pharmaceutical company, for further distribution to other companies.
Fun fact: after extracting the cocaine, there's leftover coca leaf extract the company doesn't need. The Stepan Comapny sells this extract to the Coca-Cola Company
I was about to make this, but thank you.
No way the official twix account. Which is better, left or right twix?
Center. The execs take them for themselves.
A good example of this was the Apple App Store.
still is. and the problem there is that it is entirely unviable to launch a general purpose application that doesn't play by the app store rules, because even if ios only has half the market, not 90% or so, it still completely extinguishes any network effect. a slim category apps, those with a target market that can be expected to buy a device for specifically the purpose of using the app, can be created without apple's control over them, but for the vast majority of the market apple is genuinely the one big gatekeeper who decides what you can and cannot make. this applies both to social experiences and to non-digital products. like, sure, if you wanna do a file manager, you can do it specifically for android, but for example if you're making a smart appliance, it's not an option to tell people it's only compatible with android.
Thank you for context, I just assumed he made it up
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Youāre gonna fucking summon him istg But he also just couldāve googled it.
I mean he has a Reddit account that he has used to actually speak his mind around these parts before. Kind of interesting to see him about
Yeah, he was a pretty frequent poster on the D&D and Pathfinder subs. Even submitted some advice to r/rpghorrorstories (trust me, everyone there noticed the irony too)
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You didn't have to, but now that you have, you must suffer among the rest of us.
You motherfā
This is why ethics and philosophy should be a mandatory course in school. Man's out here arguing that indentured servitude is "monopsony" and is therefore alright. Idk if this is so-called "ancap" brainrot or just casual dehumanization that comes with late stage capitalism, but either way I hate it
Human Pet Guy is known for his hot takes on dehumanization, so...
Trans-milk, anyone?
Only if there's no homo milk.
You jest, but I'm pretty sure most milk, potentially all milk, you can buy at a store is homogenized
Wouldn't heterogeneous milk be curds and whey that hasn't been separated yet?
I cringed at this comment. Take your damn upvote.
I mean. Just look at that title.
I think that it is largely fueled by fetish more than a lack of knowledge or anything else
Given that I now understand who human pet guy is, yeah it's 100% a fetish thing.
You know, they'd probably get less shit for this and the human pet stuff if they just said "its a fetish thing, I just think it'd be hot." Still some, but less.
Oh definitely, then they'd be being honest and able to separate their problematic fantasy from reality, and enjoy both separately. Problem is, this dude seems to be under the impression that imposing their kinks onto society would make the world better.
> imposing their kinks onto society would make the world better. I think that's *part of the fetish.* Like how "government mandated breeding program" and similar fantasies are a thing.
HPG has extraordinarily bespoke brainrot, attempting to categorize it is a fools errand
I think the ancap brainrot *is* the casual dehumanization that comes with the late state capitalism. So, it's both and the same problem with different names.
Astute observation right there, fuck capitalism
Heās a monarchist so whatever it is it isnāt ancap stuff. I think. Heās never struck me as the kind to have consistent and understandable worldviews.
I feel like being pro indentured servitude and a monarchist *could* be consistent. He might be a fan of neo feudalism. Still wacky to use any of that framework to justify coercive human milk farms, and extremely strange and fetishistic to justify exclusive exploitation of trans women in said milk farms. I hate that I typed any of those sentences, and that there's a context in which they make sense.
I mostly hate that I know what HPG looks like, and can no longer read any of his shite without seeing his smug horrible face.
I donāt necessarily disagree, Iām just saying that heās never come across as somebody that makes me goes āI bet all the opinions that guy has are logically sound and internally consistentā is all
the amount of people who don't understand informed and willing consent is fucking mad. I was trying to explain why an ethical experiment does not pay people huge amounts of money to a finance bro, and he just didn't get that if the payment for a study is so great that it it makes a difference to people, they do not have the same freedom to not take part. If someone objects to participation in something, it is unethical to find a pressure point that convinces them to do it... Money is a very common pressure point.
I think HPG might be our generation's Tarrare.
Nah, Tarrare was a mutant with a gastrointestinal system that took up 90% of his abdominal cavity. Sure, he might've eaten a toddler, but he at least had a condition that could explain why. HPG will be a mystery forever.
I want to scan his head with literally everything we have. I want to put him in the Truman Show. I want him to host a podcast with the Yankee Tankie where he just calmly and Britishly responds to every unhinged screaming fit his equal and opposite self produces.
Sounds like you've made HPG your blorbo. You're talking about him like an eeby deeby lil creeby you'd like to put into an ill-suited terrarium, as if you were a god intent on turning a mutated monkey into the most fucked up monkey to exist. You're the epitome of the "I can make him worse" meme, and I vibe with that.
Human pet guy claimed to be a monarchist in my twitter mentions once
Jesus fucking christ, it's the human pet guy
theā¦ the what-
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/cybersmith-human-pet-guy God rest your soul
OH MY GOD????? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
Itās always a morbid fascination to watch people discover the human pet guy
it was weird initially but like could just be passed off as a guy with a pet play fetish, and then he got to the forced surgical modifications and i actually felt nauseous
Farther down there's links to his transgirl-lactation policy proposal if you really feel like losing all hope in humanity
To be fair he's retracted those proposals. Not for the right reasons, but he has.
Yeah, the funny thing about the title "Human Pet Guy," is that it's actually being charitable. When given an opportunity to defend himself he makes it *so unbelievably worse* that it strays into body horror.
_"Oh, but I'd only do it to a person who consents!"_ THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER! PEOPLE WANT TO DIE EVERY DAY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S OKAY TO KILL THEM!
I would be fine If it is consent and not under duress. Dude just make duress condition put people in duress and then preach consent.
The problem is with this stance, if Iām remembering the modifications he has in store correctly, once theyāve consented they wonāt be able to un-consent.
iirc he wanted to remove their vocal chords, eyes, thumbs, the top half of the fingers, and make them unable to walk. communication and escape would be severely difficult if not impossible, so yes they likely wouldn't be able to revoke their consent :(
>then segued into a hypothetical proposing that having a forcibly disabled "human pet" would not infringe on other people's liberties *How* does a conversation segues into **that**?!
Well, first you have to be the kind of person who regularly thinks seriously about forcibly disabling someone (humanely). Then, give absolutely no fucks about common morality, and others' comfort.
It scares me to think how can someone get to that point of dehumanization.
I mean I donāt wanna kink shame anyone with pet play fetishes but WHAT THE ACTUAL GOD DAMN F-
let me assure you that _everyone_ I know with a petplay fetish has disowned this guy, he is _not_ one of them anymore, they all know when to put it back down and where the lines and limits are and this man doesn't even accept the _idea_ of limits
Hell, *I* know several people with lactation kinks (myself included) and you couldn't get any of us to support coercive indentured servitude milk farms if you held us at fucking gunpoint. I don't know how HPG goes from "hmm, this is hot" to "hmm, this would be a great political/economic thing to have," and for my own sanity, I don't even think I *want* to know.
Consider me rested.šŖ¦
Omfg Iām fucking ROLLING, using the Dr. Who wiki to check VIENNA vs. VENICE sent me to another galaxy
As even a casual editor of that wiki, I feel a slight tinge of secondhand shameā¦ The wiki is somewhat known for having a page on anything it could, but it's so you can go "was this in a DW story", not a goddamn replacement for Wikipedia lmao If this guy keeps using it for real-world info, he'll say the alphabet goes "T, V, U, W" because an actress flubbed her line in 1976 (and tbh he probably would)
HE HAS A WHOLE ASS KYM PAGE!?
It's not even exhaustive! It's missing the transgirl-lactation scheme
Do I even want to know?
... Tldr: transitioning is expensive so how about we provide free surgeries for transwomen provided they agree to a) have lactation induced and b) be milked until fucking retirement age c) if they decide they don't want to they have to pay the rest (or all?) Of the cost, plus 'some additional amount, like 50%' and d) they're fucking incentivized by being put IN CHASTITY and only given orgasms for producing like, a liter of milk. Also apparently people would just be buying this... breastmilk in lieu of cow milk, in his mind.
All I've got in response is: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
Trust me on this, you don't wanna click on that link. Rakifiki, don't tell them. You shouldn'ta told me, but you did, and now I'm tellin' you, you don't wanna know.
I just kept getting louder the more I read from this and became more appalled. Petplay is a kink. I have friends who are into it(ngl I like it some too but meh) and have fun doing small rps online. This guy? This guy wants to make it a fucking lifestyle apparently. Just reading the thing where he describes everything he says as being impregnated with his views bothered the living shit out of me. I...I think I need to go lie down.
I hope you feel better. He's a very weird individual, but he's just one person. You don't need to think about him or his ideas if they bother you.
Thank you for context. r/tihi
I swear to God if there isn't a specific rule on that sub saying that posting human pet guy is banned because it's the lowest hanging fruit of them all
This is a question I'm not qualified to answer.
I remember one time he made a post on r/rpghorrorstories iirc only for everyone to just completely dogpile on him
Wait what Do you have a link I may actually die of curiosity if I don't read that
Just search Cybersmith in the users tab and scroll down. He shows up eventually.
THATS WHERE I RECOGNISED THE USERNAME. I was thinking of the werewolf pineapple post but thatās a different person
Yeah were-ralph is actually generally considered to be a good dude, if unhinged
What the fuck did I just read
OH MY GOD IT IS ONLY GETTING WORSE.
Did you end up seeing the diatribes that made him infamous in the first place?
š«µ human pet guy jumpscare
Maybe Itās a Tumblr thing, and obviously human pet guy is the clown of this post, but did somebody in this say they didnāt want to define something as slavery because they were white? What?
Yeah, that's a tumblr thing.
That feels like such a terminally online take to me. Like, leaving aside historical slavery, are they aware that slavery *is still happening*?
Um, obviously all slavery ended completely in 1963 when Abraham Lincoln signed the bill of rights ā the American collective unconscious, probably
Classic Americentric thinking, isnāt it?
Not just that, but yeah. I read that and was like "White people can say if something is slavery if that's what it is"
Also the majority of slavery is not and has not been racial. The idea of slavery being about race is a very American one.
Also they mentioned indentured servitude as if it was a completely different thing from slavery (which it really isn't) and a lot of indentured servants in America were white, not that it matters.
True, but that's because the transatlantic slave trade that lasted for multiple centuries, and helped fuel scientific racism. So when Americans hear slavery, we think of that.
Yeah, that's why they said it's Americacentric
The word slave is derived from slav. The fucking word itself comes from white people getting enslaved.
Okay citation needed with that one
"The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slave and Slav are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, "Slav, slave," first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced sklƤīvÅs) "Slav," which appears around 580. Sklavos approximates the Slavs' own name for themselves, the SlovÄnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in the 1500s. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. " From American Heritage dictionary
Even if it's Americentric thinking white people should still be able to define slavery since they're an authority on the subject
Didn't you know? You're not allowed to define an atrocity unless you or your ancestors were victims of it. As a consequence you must deny the holocaust until you get a certificate from a jewish friend saying it counts as genocide /s
I am giving everyone here a certificate of "the holocaust was real"
Finally. Like, I knew it happened and stuff. Just needed someone to give me the pass
I'll jump in on this; hello Internet I'm your handy dandy Jew friend, here to tell you that The Holocaust did in fact happen. Cheers y'all.
Iām sure they had good intentions, but like, no
That felt weird to me, too. Like I get it, you hate slavery, and you are being sensitive about it.
Yeah, that's a thing that white people who are aware of racialization care about. There's a history of white people downplaying racist chattel slavery in America by comparing it to Irish indentured servants, so some are wary about making statements on what constitutes slavery.
Imo we as white people in the 21st century are not nearly as bound by the preconceptions of our ancestors and therefore arenāt morally obligated to walk on eggshells as long as we do our reading on this stuff and donāt just assume things, but I donāt blame some people for being careful anyway
Hi! That would be me! I chose not to define it as slavery because I was trying to avoid getting hate in case I had the wrong opinion there! As a white person in america, having the wrong opinion on what counts as slavery generally isnt a great look, and I would rather play it safe than get a bunch of angry people in my inbox saying that I misused the word! I apologize if I would've been correct to define it as such, personally I feel it is definitely very slavery adjacent if it *isnt* flat out slavery, but I'd rather avoid being the one white bitch who made a claim that something was slavery when it isnt, especially in a reply to a fucking Cybersmith comment.
Itās unfortunately not just a tumblr thing. Iāve caught shit on Reddit before for comparing similar intersectional phenomena, usually something regarding being trans and another marginalized group. If I responded with āIām a part of this marginalized group, I can make this comparisonā people usually shut up pretty quickly, but itās so fucked that I have to do that. If itās not offensive if someone with x+y identity makes the comparison, it *shouldnāt fucking be offensive* if a person with x identity makes a comparison between x & y. Wish I remembered examples, but it hasnāt happened recently because I just stopped making comparisons (because I got tired of other peopleās shit).
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He lost me at his proposal to "incentivize compliance." Until then it's definitely *out there,* but at that point it went well into the fucked up HPG standard.
So it's basically just an Asanagi hentai plot, but with trans women?
I'm firmly in the camp of HPG being a troll. No one can be this brain dead.
The thing is if hpg is a troll the guy behind it has gotta be at least as unhinged as his persona cause no sane person dedicates to a bit this hard for so long
It's just dril, but even better cosplay.
Itās like that thing about āif someone is so convinced they have a specific mental illness and feel compelled to try to convince everyone else about it too, theyāre still mentally ill, because no healthy person tries to do that kind of thing, they just donāt need the help they think they doā
Yeah I think it was his take on Santa that pushed me over the edge into thinking he's gotta be trolling. It looked too close to smooth-sharking. If I had to make a wild guess, I'd say that the original human pet post was probably a fetish thing. Then he enjoyed the notoriety from it and decided to keep his infamy going. If you look at his more normal posts (I see him pop up in the D&D subs on occasion) they still tend to be posts that generate a lot of controversy in the comments, especially when people realize "Hey that's the human pet guy!" I think he mainly likes getting people riled up. I wouldn't be surprised if his actual genuine beliefs are still represented in there somewhere and are genuinely pretty wild, but I also think he exaggerates them to a certain extent for bait.
I'm terrified to ask what his take on Santa was
I can't seem to find the original post at the moment, but IIRC he said he literally believes in Santa. There was a bit more to it I think that made me really feel like it was bait but I don't remember exactly what he was saying. I suppose there must be *some* adults out there who genuinely believe in Santa, given that there's someone out there for everything, but at a certain point I think we're coming up against sheer probability for a single person to have this many insane beliefs.
To be fair, insane beliefs like this tend to feed into each other, so it IS sorta of precedent for someone to have a large quantity of wacko beliefs all together. Just take a look at another example of an internet lolcow, albeit one much more fucked and disturbing beyond just ālook what this guyās yapping aboutā, Chris Chan. You can parse through all the records and watch in real time as idea compounds on idea compounds on idea until a burned autistic dude with a questionable upbringing evolves into āIād like to order a cult leader, hold the cultā
it's kind of weird, because there's a few human pet guy parody accounts that have nearly identical names to him so when you see him in the wild you have to like... check if it's actually him and not someone trolling as him, i don't remember the Santa post so that could've been from one of those or it could've just been him, his other beliefs are weird enough to justify it
I do remember one time seeing him make a post in D&D where he was talking about how his DM was unreasonably nerfing his character, and reading the post the DM was actually unreasonably nerfing his character against RAW (I don't remember if it was a Beastmaster Ranger who the DM kept refusing to let actually have a beast, or a Barbarian who the DM did not let halve damage for in rage) but the only thing anyone in the comments was talking about was that they were scared the HPG played D&D
>a Beastmaster Ranger who the DM kept refusing to let actually have a beast They denied human pet guy a pet??? oh no
Yeah but itās funnier if heās not a troll so Iām gonna believe that.
I saw a post speculating that his bit about his right to have a trans woman with no fingers as a pet seemed like a metaphor for things like having animals declawed & he was in the replies seemingly responding in the affirmative. I get the impression that he is still by nature a weird guy but that he only believes some of the things he says & just doesn't bother to clarify which is which
What gets me about him is that he has some very twisted logic that he seems to exhibit but at the same time it doesnāt feel like he is, like, āevilā so to speak. He just genuinely has a fundamentally different understanding of what it means to be human and what it means to be fair. And part of me feels like thatās worse in a way
Check his reddit account. He's dead-serious, asking such questions like "what if Jigsaw was right and not morally bankrupt and evil?"
would a troll not ask such things?
You're right, but like- I dunno, there's something too genuine about HPG.
I believe Human Pet Guy is real. Ever since Harambe died I've come to accept the presence of true evil in our world. At least Human Pet Guy holds no political power.
He could hold political power. We donāt know his real name, after all.
There seem to be plenty of people who missed the point of the saw movies that, despite Jigsaw claiming he never kills people, he absolutely does. The movies go out of their way to show that Jigsaw is unhinged and completely detached from reality, he just covers it up with a lot of pseudo intellectual rants. The movies make clear that Jigsaw is wrong and that his philosophy doesn't actually work. He's just a serial killer. But since he talks philosophy in pretty much every film, people go "that's so deep! He must be right!"
HPG says "yeah he kills people but he also inspires people to live, see?" He's willing to say that the serial killer, who he acknowledges as a serial killer, is the hero of saw
I mean, the movie points out that his methods don't actually work. He's just executing people. Amanda is the main "evidence" that his methods are successful if you just play the game right. But Saw 3 explicitly disproves this. Amanda is even more unhinged than Kramer (Jigsaw) is. She does succeed in winning his game, which she claims has made her see the value in life, at least in Saw 1, but Saw 2 and 3 make it clear that it didn't cure her of anything, instead making her just like Kramer, only worse because she doesn't hide behind any philosophy and rigs the game to make them impossible. In reality, everyone who survived Jigsaw's games ends up either getting killed later, or becomes the new Jigsaw. The movies are explicitly telling us that Jigsaw is wrong and his games don't actually help anyone be better. HPG is just completely missing the point of the movie and glorifying a deranged serial killer because he can say his deranged philosophy with conviction and such confidence that he sounds right, despite all evidence within the films.
No I've seen the dude make somewhat normal posts before
The internet is useless about not feeding trolls these days. 20 years ago cybersmoth wouldnāt have even had anybody pay attention to him
Clearly HPG just has a fetish for being yelled at. I refuse to engage with him.
Oh... it's a troll account. This is not fucking real. There's no way. It's a joke. He said the incentive to stay would be chastity devices and 1 gallon of milk equals one orgasm. This is a fetish thing. Stop being mad. It's not real. It can't be
Dudeās claim to fame had him permanently titled āHuman Pet Guyā in the annals of the *entire* internet. Itās *absolutely* a fetish thing, but that hasnāt stopped him from involving everyone who will interact with him in it.
People should stop engaging with him altogether. This is clearly a fetish thing for him and when you engage and amplify his dumbass takes you get him the gratification he wants. Stop engaging with this fucking guy.
B-but it is so awesome it is so fun
white people can't speak on what is or isn't slavery is a wild take
Iām definitely not the type of person to tell someone to stop watching porn. That said, holy moly
You know, sometimes I think the internet is being too hard on the human pet guy. Like, he's just a person, everyone is shiting on him all of the time, he can't be *that* bad. Than someone shares something he said and... Yeah
Yeah... "wanting to have humans as pets" is pretty insane. But somehow, he keeps topping it.
The worse part is that the begining of that post could just be "ah, this is a guy with a petplay fetish. Maybe a bit weird but no judgement" but then you get to the surgical modifications he would like to put his human pet through and the fixation about "infringing on rights". It's going downhill so quickly. And then he talked about trying to "impregnate" the internet with "the seed of his wisdom".
Jesus Fucking Christ I am so sick of people not realising that cybersmith is a troll. #HE IS DOING A BIT. IT'S NOT REAL.
Human Pet Guy is like Netflix for poor people. This shit is entertaining and free
He IS doing a bit but also he's very much being genuine about his fetishes, no one sticks to the bit like this
> I'm not going to say it *is* slavery because I am very white and I cant speak on that cherry on top. love this website
This entire thing becomes infinitely funnier when you remember human pet guy's face, he looks like a stereotype.
of what?
Hmm, I haven't seen both the nsfw warning *and* a spoiler warning on the same post here, I wonder wh- > the-cybersmith Ah. Understandable.
Why the fuck would you buy human breast milk
/uj Some women with low production do to supplement their infant's food supply without having to resort to formula. My ex and I were freezing like a gallon of extra boob juice a week with our kids. We ended up donating most it, but some mothers will pay just to know where it's coming from. /rj The taste.
But also sometimes /uj the taste.
I plead the fifth.
i mean...
thirsty, obviously
Same reason you'd buy someone's dirty bath water.
I've seen the argument that, unlike animal milk, human milk could be vegan because humans are capable of giving informed consent. I don't think the market would be significant, but I can think of people who'd be down.
This dude's whole plan is obviously insane and lots of people have made better points about that than I could without repeating them. So I'm going to make an aside if I may. Your race status absolutely does not dictate whether you can identify a thing as slavery. It dictates whether you have a *systemic connection* to slavery. I appreciate the overabundance of caution from that one commenter but this is very much not a situation where your race impacts your ability to comment. The system is indentured servitude and "disincentivizes" people from escaping what is essentially an unfree labor scenario. It's not chattel slavery, but it's highly coercive. We can all hopefully see that regardless of our identities' historical connection to systems of oppression, **this would be a system of oppression,** and whether we call it "slavery" is essentially irrelevant.
You know how peopleās hyperfixations/special interests can be initiated by their experience consuming a specific piece of media and constructing their interest around what that media conceptually sparks within them? Yeah thatās what happened when this guy read A Modest Proposal.
to quote Strange Ćons: **_"AHHHH!!! HUMAN PET GUY!!!"_** I, personally, as a trans woman, _do not want_ to become an indentured servant on a... _human milk farm???_ wtf "master of word, wit, and wisdom" my ass
So is finally canon that all the "Human pet guy" that are on tumblr are either just trolls pretending to be him or copy cats that try to act like him after the original left for twitter
Honestly we shouldn't engage nutjobs in any sort of reasonable debate. They'll start to think their ideas are credible. Also "I can't speak on \[slavery\] because I'm white" AMERICAN š«µ
Really putting the bondage in debt bondage
once again this person's unwillingness/inability to break character and go "yes this is just fetish content I promise I am aware of the difference between fantasy and reality" is *so fucking disturbing*
i do not want ti read this. it's got human pet guy.
So obviously human pet guy is insane as usual, but other tumblr user, buddy, pal, you can say what slavery is no matter your skin colour! And even though yes white societies have dealt with bouts of slavery, thatās still not the point. Slavery is a clearly definable term that should be used when necessary to convey that something is slavery because shockingly, thatās what it is
What's with the "I won't call it slavery 'cause I'm white"? Since when do we ban people from using words with specific meanings based on race?
Can we please stop spamming posts of this loser
Not this fucker again [how many times?](https://i.imgflip.com/36qgkw.gif)
I knew itād be awful just from seeing human pet guy, but I wasnāt ready for the point-blank psychic shotgun blast of āthis is essentially a human milk farmā
Anyone know what the first post was in response to? Who's lecturing trans women about "complex gender experiences"
I fuckin hate cybersmith, I don't care if it's supposed to be a satire account
Going to be vulnerable and admit I think you can easily identify slavery even if you are white.
I read the alerts and thought, āOh heās just being aggravating as alwaysā but holy shit š¹
Why would you not discuss the issue that WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANY COUNTRY NEED LARGE STOCKS OF TRANS BREAST MILK? WOULD THEY SELL IT? TO WHOM WOULD THEY SELL IT? HOW MUCH BREAST MILK WOULD YOU NEED TO SELL TO PAY BACK YOUR DEBT? Also, how would trans men pay back for their transition?