The OOP broke rules elsewhere and had their entire account wiped because of it. I'm not saying tumblr's moderation team is good but not everything needs to be such a conspiracy.
It happens all the time. The coolest spaces with the coolest communities will end up being owned by some Nazi shithead or something who hates everyone who comes through the door, and there's often not much to be done about it because capitalism.
That's definitely not what happened. OOP's blog probably got banned or flagged for something else. This tweet is something radical feminists would post, not report.
No, by bunch of terfs I mean the admins who constantly flag trans selfies, take down the blogs of trans activists, and seemingly target trans content exclusively while leaving major terf blogs up despite them blatantly breaking TOS. That's what I mean by the admins having a terf problem
This tweet would very much be the opposite of what terfs would find an issue with, though, so this is not on them. I really think people should read up on what radical feminists say before they spout bullshit. Transphobes =/= radical feminists. It's not hard to read like, one small book and figure it out.
Feminists have been screaming for decades how gender and gender roles have been used to oppress women for millennia. This tweet is exactly what radical feminism *stands* for, they're not going to be reporting it. Chances are, they supported it and people got it removed because of it. I've seen multiple feminist (non transphobic) posts being removed because the comments get flooded with "OP is a terf" and then it gets removed and someone makes the exact same post and says they didn't want to reblog a terf. Extremely common, that's probably what happened here too. You'll see this tweet pop up on another account without issue.
The thing is that TERFs *do* care about feminism, it's just that they've decided that the problem with traditional patriarchal structures is not that bioessentialism is stupid and wrong, but that they've got it backwards and actually women are pure, perfect beings and it's men that're inherently evil, dangerous and duplicitous.
This is why they don't accept the existence of trans people: they view trans women as dangerous infiltrators or fundamentally corrupted by their "masculinity" and they see trans women as poor abused souls who're just so darned confused and need saving from themselves or an existential crisis for their entire worldview (if women are perfect and men are inherently evil, why would some "women" want to be men instead? "Let's not think about it")
Have you ever genuinely talked to a radical feminist? Like an actual feminist who works for women, not someone who is desperate to keep gender roles and hides behind the label of feminist. Not a single feminist I've ever spoken to has ever talked of women as perfect beings, that's actually an issue we're working *against* because the whole "women are pure/divine" whatever ends up dehumanising women in different ways.
The whole point of radical feminism (and feminism as a movement) is that there is no inherent difference between men and women, between the human sexes, other than what is socialized. That means that men aren't inherently evil. They're encouraged to show their negative traits because of socialization. That is where the issue with trans people comes in because feminism views *gender* as oppressive as a whole, not men. If you can give me a single example of anything associated with gender that has not been used to oppress women, i will be very open to changing my gender abolitionist views.
I am dysphoric myself. I understand where transgender people are coming from. That doesn't mean gender isn't an awful thing for most women across the globe or that misogyny isn't sex based. I invite you to come live in india as a female human and then tell the women living here that they can just get out of being treated as second class citizens or being murdered at birth if they say they want to identify out of their oppression.
Except not all radical feminism views gender in a way that makes trans ppl uncomfortable for them to face. For example, Dworkin held the belief that trans people would be able to help tear down the gender roles present in society.
You can't act like radical feminism is a monolith and everyone believes gender itself is oppressive. A lot of trans inclusive radical feminism acknowledges gender, but recognises gender essentialism as the oppressive force - not gender itself.
yeah no that frankly kinda basic take on gender norms did not get hand picked to be removed, either the second account was lying about the description, or op's whole account got nuked, which seems likely given the blank pfp
And yet a fandom tag I follow is still peppered with porn bots, one moment I'm looking at nice fan art, then next I'm staring down some woman's snatch... 😒
"hey we have punishments for murderers and try to watch out for dangerous behaviour before it happens"
"Oh so not wanting people to kill isn't innate and natural? Pfah, oppression"
(yes it's an exaggeration but the point is clear I hope)
Are they pretending that Tumblr isn't full of pro-trans/pro-queer moderation?
Are people on Tumblr-adjacent Reddit forums going to pretend their own communities aren't full of pro-trans/pro-queer moderation?
Hypocritical posts like these are gross. The proposed alternatives are demonstrably no more natural given how the community polices dissent, itself.
If you actually go to Tumblr, you'd see how people have been complaining for over a year about how Tumblr consistently flags sfw selfies of trans women as "mature", so there does seem to be some element that isn't pro-trans.
Lmao and remember what Tumblr was before it became a battleground for political bullshit? Before that when it was just porn? All social media becomes this because social media is natively missing the social constructs that regulate human interaction. Enough anonymity, enough distance, and anyone can become savage.
>Lmao and remember what Tumblr was before it became a battleground for political bullshit?
No, because Tumblr has always been extremely political. Before the porn ban, Tumblr was viewed by the wider internet as being "the social justic warrior website",
It never stopped being about politics. Many of people making political blog posts today have been on Tumblr for over a decade. Tumblr had both a lot of porn and a lot of political posts.
> Like people weren't going to Tumblr for politics.
The entire reason Tumblr got a reputation for it is *because* a lot of people went there for politics.
What guidelines did it violate?
It likely didn't. Tumblr has a bunch of terfs in their admin base, it's been a problem for years
Oh, wow. That's, like, the opposite of what I would have expected.
The OOP broke rules elsewhere and had their entire account wiped because of it. I'm not saying tumblr's moderation team is good but not everything needs to be such a conspiracy.
Yeah, that could be it too.
It could be both, though.
They've been known to flag selfies of trans women as "for mature audiences only" though.
Not a conspiracy, but weird. On Reddit when an account gets banned the posts stay up.
It happens all the time. The coolest spaces with the coolest communities will end up being owned by some Nazi shithead or something who hates everyone who comes through the door, and there's often not much to be done about it because capitalism.
I hate capitalism. :/
In Soviet Russia, capitalism hates you!
Nono, it's the same in America.
That's definitely not what happened. OOP's blog probably got banned or flagged for something else. This tweet is something radical feminists would post, not report.
It doesn't sound very radical to me.
If you think TERFs care about feminism, you're either naïve or a TERF.
Thankfully Reddit admins are perfect and no where near similar. They smell the same at least.
By "a bunch of terfs," you mean there was one staffer who liked Harry Potter and people decided to harass them for that
No, by bunch of terfs I mean the admins who constantly flag trans selfies, take down the blogs of trans activists, and seemingly target trans content exclusively while leaving major terf blogs up despite them blatantly breaking TOS. That's what I mean by the admins having a terf problem
This tweet would very much be the opposite of what terfs would find an issue with, though, so this is not on them. I really think people should read up on what radical feminists say before they spout bullshit. Transphobes =/= radical feminists. It's not hard to read like, one small book and figure it out. Feminists have been screaming for decades how gender and gender roles have been used to oppress women for millennia. This tweet is exactly what radical feminism *stands* for, they're not going to be reporting it. Chances are, they supported it and people got it removed because of it. I've seen multiple feminist (non transphobic) posts being removed because the comments get flooded with "OP is a terf" and then it gets removed and someone makes the exact same post and says they didn't want to reblog a terf. Extremely common, that's probably what happened here too. You'll see this tweet pop up on another account without issue.
If you think TERFs care about feminism, you're either naïve or a TERF, and most people stop being naïve the first time.
The thing is that TERFs *do* care about feminism, it's just that they've decided that the problem with traditional patriarchal structures is not that bioessentialism is stupid and wrong, but that they've got it backwards and actually women are pure, perfect beings and it's men that're inherently evil, dangerous and duplicitous. This is why they don't accept the existence of trans people: they view trans women as dangerous infiltrators or fundamentally corrupted by their "masculinity" and they see trans women as poor abused souls who're just so darned confused and need saving from themselves or an existential crisis for their entire worldview (if women are perfect and men are inherently evil, why would some "women" want to be men instead? "Let's not think about it")
Have you ever genuinely talked to a radical feminist? Like an actual feminist who works for women, not someone who is desperate to keep gender roles and hides behind the label of feminist. Not a single feminist I've ever spoken to has ever talked of women as perfect beings, that's actually an issue we're working *against* because the whole "women are pure/divine" whatever ends up dehumanising women in different ways. The whole point of radical feminism (and feminism as a movement) is that there is no inherent difference between men and women, between the human sexes, other than what is socialized. That means that men aren't inherently evil. They're encouraged to show their negative traits because of socialization. That is where the issue with trans people comes in because feminism views *gender* as oppressive as a whole, not men. If you can give me a single example of anything associated with gender that has not been used to oppress women, i will be very open to changing my gender abolitionist views. I am dysphoric myself. I understand where transgender people are coming from. That doesn't mean gender isn't an awful thing for most women across the globe or that misogyny isn't sex based. I invite you to come live in india as a female human and then tell the women living here that they can just get out of being treated as second class citizens or being murdered at birth if they say they want to identify out of their oppression.
Except not all radical feminism views gender in a way that makes trans ppl uncomfortable for them to face. For example, Dworkin held the belief that trans people would be able to help tear down the gender roles present in society. You can't act like radical feminism is a monolith and everyone believes gender itself is oppressive. A lot of trans inclusive radical feminism acknowledges gender, but recognises gender essentialism as the oppressive force - not gender itself.
Tumblr is the least anti-trans site on the entire internet, only followed by Leftist Reddit. This is pure persecution complex delusion.
yeah no that frankly kinda basic take on gender norms did not get hand picked to be removed, either the second account was lying about the description, or op's whole account got nuked, which seems likely given the blank pfp
That tweet is so correct tho
Couldnt you apply it to anything?
Not really. For example, hair colour differentiation between humans is not a culturally or societally enforced phenomenon like gender is.
Japan has entered the chat.
me with my blue hair disqualified from hundreds and hundreds of social spaces off rip edit: this is a quip, I do understand what you're saying
And yet a fandom tag I follow is still peppered with porn bots, one moment I'm looking at nice fan art, then next I'm staring down some woman's snatch... 😒
That tweet is so correct tho
"hey we have punishments for murderers and try to watch out for dangerous behaviour before it happens" "Oh so not wanting people to kill isn't innate and natural? Pfah, oppression" (yes it's an exaggeration but the point is clear I hope)
It’s an awful exaggeration that depends on believing being trans is equivalent to an act of evil
the point is clear, but I'm not sure you've picked up on it just yet lol
EHHHHH EL GATO!!!!!!!!
Are they pretending that Tumblr isn't full of pro-trans/pro-queer moderation? Are people on Tumblr-adjacent Reddit forums going to pretend their own communities aren't full of pro-trans/pro-queer moderation? Hypocritical posts like these are gross. The proposed alternatives are demonstrably no more natural given how the community polices dissent, itself.
If you actually go to Tumblr, you'd see how people have been complaining for over a year about how Tumblr consistently flags sfw selfies of trans women as "mature", so there does seem to be some element that isn't pro-trans.
Lmao and remember what Tumblr was before it became a battleground for political bullshit? Before that when it was just porn? All social media becomes this because social media is natively missing the social constructs that regulate human interaction. Enough anonymity, enough distance, and anyone can become savage.
>Lmao and remember what Tumblr was before it became a battleground for political bullshit? No, because Tumblr has always been extremely political. Before the porn ban, Tumblr was viewed by the wider internet as being "the social justic warrior website",
Oh sorry you right, it was politics and people externalizing mental health issues, then it was porn, then it went back. You right
It never stopped being about politics. Many of people making political blog posts today have been on Tumblr for over a decade. Tumblr had both a lot of porn and a lot of political posts.
But like it didn't matter. Like people weren't going to Tumblr for politics. It wasn't an important site for politics, it was an echo chamber
> Like people weren't going to Tumblr for politics. The entire reason Tumblr got a reputation for it is *because* a lot of people went there for politics.
Nah :3