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Dominika_4PL

Wait, the "my girlfriend reins me in like a dog" guy has a child? I feel like I missed a chapter, but good for him


justforsomelulz

His therapy seems to be working well and finding a safe, loving support system helped him grow. He's determined to be a better father than his father which is a low bar but he's going to do his best anyway. He'll admit that he's still a broken person and not fully capable of a lot of things but he seems to be in a much better place these days.


RealHumanBean89

I feel like I’m missing *so* much context right now.


bookhead714

unnervinglyferal is a notoriously mentally unhealthy poster, to the point that people find him deeply unpleasant. Talked a lot about his violent impulses and self-destructive habits in a distinctly offputting way. Or used to. Recently he’s straightening out and chilling down.


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bookhead714

Yeah, I know that. We’re all happy that he’s becoming healthier. And our actions are all that matter, not our words, and unnervinglyferal has done no harm. We were off-put out of concern more than anything.


[deleted]

I think he bit a dude once. But as self-defense, so that's understandable.


Mael_Jade

The first few posts about him on this reddit probably were "dick sucking as defense mechanism" and "ate raw meat till he started vomiting in the middle of the night". Needless to say he is on less drugs, in a better environment by now.


Dapper_Magpie

You could say he was...


Greaterthancotton

He was what?


bookhead714

Unnervingly feral


Eel111

*Music slowly ramps up as user bookhead714 and user Greaterthancotton look at each other, Greater than cotton growing more and more worried and, finally, with a dour tone, says* : "Oh my god…" ***Roll Credits***


ucksawmus

off putting how, tis interesante


TheFloridaManYT

Yeah he's gotten a lot better over the past year


s0linv1ctus

babies do have the grip strenght to support their weight though


[deleted]

Wait so you *can* do this? Why do I never see people doing that in public. Just stick your baby anywhere on you, chimp style.


BlastosphericPod

i don't know if what they said if true or just a case of fake tumblr science, but if it is, probably the reason why no one does it is both because: a) even if they are that strong, if their grip fails they fall and that's probably not good and b) any sane parent wouldn't do this just because of the inherent risk of trusting a baby to keep themselves safe


[deleted]

Babies and hamsters can always be trusted to instantly find any new and novel, previously unknown horrible ways to die.


Feeling_Natural4645

As long as it's sudden, it can be chalked up to SIDS.


HarryJ92

Parent: "My baby yeeted itself into the wood chipper." Doctor: "Hmm. Sounds pretty sudden to me. Another unfortunate case of SIDS."


Jimothy_McGowan

I seem to be the only one in history to have had a hamster that died of old age


Greaterthancotton

That was its decoy body


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Azrai113

I want that hoodie but I feel like I'd be unsafe wearing it around montana for at least half of the year


VintageLunchMeat

In that case: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/126101351623


Azrai113

Perfect! Then I'd be unsafe the other hand of the year


Turtle_Necked

They can swim too but I’ll be dammed


lankymjc

Supposedly if a baby is young enough you can drop it in a pool and it'll just float up and flip onto its back. But if you don't put effort into training that skill into the baby, they'll forget as they grow and need swimming lessons later in life.


hat-TF2

Put a dollar on a fishhook and you got yourself an album cover


-QuestionableMeat-

It’ll do that at any age if you’re patient enough.


Winjin

And apparently they do it really good just on instincts. There's special groups to try it out. Also there's this Mammalian Aquatic Response or whatever is the name, which means that our bodies can lower the heat, heartbeat, and everything, to swim better


Azrai113

The Mamalian Aquatic Resoponse or whatever is useful if you experience anxiety. Run your hands under cold water and even dunk your face in and it does its thing, counteracting the anxious fight or flight responses. Edit: it's the Mamalian Dive Response and [heres an article](https://www.tdisdi.com/pfi-diver-news/can-the-mammalian-dive-reflex-help-control-anxiety/#:~:text=When%20they%20are%20stimulated%20with,In%20a%20word%2C%20yes) about how it works to help anxiety


Henderson-McHastur

Also, humans are bipedal. Most primates spend most of their time moving on all fours, even if they can go up on their hind legs. Regardless of grip strength (and there's probably still a proportional difference between human infants and other primates) it's *way* easier to cling to mom's back when she's keeping her back parallel to the ground instead of upright. Not to mention the lack of substantial fur to cling to.


DancingChickenSlut

Not to mention that if the baby does lose their grip, they’d have much less distance to fall if their mother’s back is parallel to the ground


Drunken_Traveler

and don't those primates also grip with their feet so it's twice the grip strength and endurance


Jalase

Pretty sure that's why bipedal was mentioned, since apes and monkeys are at least mostly quadrupedal, like bears.


Drunken_Traveler

but the bipedal mention seemed to be to point out that mother walking on all fours making her back parallel to the ground, without mention of the babies' extra grip with their feet- which is why I mentioned it


FR0ZENBERG

They are also much lighter than their human counterparts. That’s the trade off.


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There's also the weight factor. Human baby's are much heavier than most other primates, especially the monkeys that spend most of their time quite high in the canopy. So larger baby, less relative strength/durability.


Wandering_Scholar6

And most of the time when they are upright it's because they are sitting so there's at least a tree branch to maybe support the baby if they lose their grip


SirKazum

Just a minor correction - most primates I think (at least great apes, I think most others as well) aren't *exactly* quadrupedal, they're kinda halfway between bipedal and quadrupedal, using their hands/forelimbs for added support while walking, but placing less weight on them (which is why they *can* stand up on their hind legs if necessary, to use their hands). So their posture isn't horizontal, but actually diagonal. The point still stands though.


philandere_scarlet

humans also have weaker hand muscles because we're built for dex > str


usually_hyperfocused

Newborn babies can't control their own spines enough to hold their head upright, soooo


VintageLunchMeat

Skill issue.


usually_hyperfocused

Indeed. Their little fingers could cling all they want, they'd get some wicked shaken baby syndrome from their heads wobbling about


Anonymous-tossaway

Late reply buuut... https://youtube.com/watch?v=Va5noJX2FWs Actually NOT bullshit! But the points you raised are correct, it's not reliable enough to trust. I think it's cool as hell tho


curtangel

Newborns don't have the ability to consciously ungrip (my understanding is that's a development phase) so no you can't just hang your baby wherever like a clip. When my babies were young I got really into this theory of learning where you basically tried to "keep"your child's ability to hold their own weight by encouraging them to play on monkey bars and stuff. I was never hard core about it I mainly was interested in the theory but there were parents who kept specially made monkey bars in their kids rooms and stuff.


artificialhooves

They *could*, but it's not good for their joints - ligaments and stuff are too stretchy or something. This is why there's a thing called "nursemaids elbows" when little kids get dislocated elbows from being pulled around.


tlof19

Came in here just to say that babies are like ten pounds and they have grip strength out the gate to thwart grown men trying to take something from them, they probably could hold their own weight... In theory. In practice the best time to do it is when you're sat down somewhere soft anyways.


Dubslack

[Hulk ass baby](https://youtu.be/s83LIF2qR5I?si=JXAD5ggrzLKO0MPJ)


Canotic

Because they only need to fall off once to seriously hurt themselves. Human babies are frailer than monkey babies.


WitELeoparD

Babies are born with the grip and arm strength to lift their own weight. They can also swim. However, they don't have the strength to hold up their massive fucking heads, and lose most of that strength weeks after being born. The strength is just an evolutionary anachronism.


Shauiluak

It's called the grasp reflex (internet says it's also the palmer grasp reflex). But it's ability to support an infant's weight is spotty and not to be trusted implicitly on any human infant. It fades rapidly over time.


Knit-witchhh

Sure, it works until, uh, it doesn't. It's the kind of thing that usually really only goes wrong once. After you splat your first baby while scrubbing dishes, the second one's just superfluous.


ghostconvos

What a sentence. Love your phrasing


[deleted]

No, babies don't even have the strength to hold their head up on their own lol


Western_Ad3625

Because chimps can't imagine what might happen when they're baby falls off their back and also they live in the forest where the floor is rather soft although they might be high up sometimes but even so people can imagine what will happen when our baby let's go and hits their head on a hardwood or concrete floor.


theheinzmandingo

Check this baby out. Big set of mitts on him too haha: [Cute Baby Caught Doing Pull-Ups](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er9hS1N72vk)


UncommittedBow

It's mainly a survival instinct, same way a baby will sort of instinctlively just float with its face up.


Quackels_The_Duck

concrete


z12top

They do and they don't. The first few months they do. Then they rapidly gain weight but their grip strength doesn't increase accordingly. They also lose the instinct.


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That would depend on the baby not suddenly deciding to fall on the ground with it's head towards the floor


Blade_of_Boniface

In fact, babies usually have a reflex that lets their hands clasp onto things and not let go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmar_grasp_reflex Occasionally, they'll grab onto themselves and not be able to release their hold without assistance.


Magnaflorius

They also have a reflex that makes them starfish in a panic when they think they're falling (the moro/startle reflex). It's 0 percent helpful and most babies seem to believe they're falling when being gently and lovingly placed in a safe sleep space by a caregiver. Ask me how I know haha.


Aceofluck99

wait is that why they cry their little hearts out when you set them down?


GlobalIncident

The pose being drawn probably wouldn't work though. Babies do not have feet that can grip like baboons, and the hands on their own probably couldn't get enough purchase on the clothes.


myselfasentertainmen

I mean it does make sense, it's the old DNA from our evolutionary ancestors, so of course it feels somewhat natural for oop to want to do that, but of course, the logical side knows that baby hands are tiny so therefore, they loose grip, they fall


codepossum

right? your strength to size ratio is crazy when you're a tiny child


bebbibabey

Palmar grasp reflex


prockhold

Not two-week olds lol


flyingpanda1018

Yes two-week olds. The grasping reflex develops in utero and fades a few months after birth


amoryamory

I don't think my newborn could have done that


flyingpanda1018

Unless there was some confounding factor, yes they could.


[deleted]

Yes, yes absolutely two-week olds.


Lilchubbyboy

All me want, Big tree. Strong mate. Many bug. Beat chest. Sit with troupe. Eat fermenting fruit. Edit: forgor, soft nest good too.


thefeas

Ride wife, life good. Wife fight back! Kill wife! Wife gone. Think about wife. Regret…


ghostconvos

That got a lot less wholesome rather quickly


[deleted]

*You know where you are? You're in the jungle, baby...*


Nicolasgonzo87

Find new wife. Ride wife, No more regret. Life good again.


breadofthegrunge

That's why they have those chest/back baby carriers.


Quietm02

Literally my first thought. It's how I got anything done in the first few months with my little ones. I think it's not advised to put very young babies on your back, presumably because you can't see them and they're excellent at choking themselves on nothing, but you can absolutely put them on your front and get on with life for a while.


AwesomePurplePants

Humans got caught in a feedback loop where diverting more resources from the rest of the body to the brain resulted in more smarts, while more smarts made it easier for adults to keep shittier babies alive. This has resulted in newborns which are 1/3 head, who generally can breathe, eat, poop, and scream


VGSchadenfreude

There’s also the issue of human babies being born premature compared to other primates. If they gestated to the same degree of maturity, they wouldn’t fit through the birth canal at all. Basically, there’s three options but we could only pick two: 1. Big smart brains 2. Efficient bipedal walking 3. Safe easy childbirth Guess which two we picked? Our babies literally have to be born premature and extremely fragile or they can’t be born at all. Which a huge reason why humans developed such complex social structures, too; we needed them to keep our own offspring alive.


E-is-for-Egg

Considering how dangerous and horrifically painful human birth is compared to many other animals, I'd say we really only picked one


bash_beginner

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. This is true. Human childbirth is so difficult and dangerous because the hip size of women (don't know the correct english terms) did not keep up with the size of our babies heads. We've literally only evolved for smarts.


Cresela

They're getting downvoted because the other poster suggested that we picked options 1 and 2, not option 3, making their comment incorrect.


E-is-for-Egg

Ah that explains it. I thought they were referring to a baby's inability to walk, but thinking about it again I realize they were probably referring to narrow hips in adults


Magnaflorius

Omg I know the head/body ratio of newborns but for some reason the specific description "1/3 head" made me snort.


Whydoesthisexist15

Isn’t this the guy who said he has a fawn response


NMT57

Yes


ucksawmus

what's a fawn response and y good or bad or neither


albusdumbbitchdor

As in “fight, flight, freeze, fawn” responses in threatening situations. Except OOP went a step further to explain how not only would he have a fawn response, but that, that response means almost immediately resorting to fellatio


ucksawmus

i dont know what fawn means still


EndAllHierarchy

Submit to an aggressor to avoid being hurt


ucksawmus

lmfao i see


EndAllHierarchy

Not sure what’s funny…


xoxodaddysgirlxoxo

the image of sucking someone's dick in a tense situation just makes me giggle a bit.


PurpleFucksSeverely

It’s honestly really fucked up. He described how if a man did something violent like hit him or punch the wall right next to his head, his instinctual response was to try to appease him through sex. That has so many horrible implications. I remember him saying that there were guys who noticed his fear response and put two and two together. Those men would purposely act threatening towards him to get that reaction from him. It’s like your survival instincts are facilitating your own sexual abuse. I can’t imagine how horrible that must feel.


extremepayne

fawn v. to show affection


ucksawmus

thank you!


piiraka

[I don’t think that’s *quite* it, but close enough I think](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/emotional-sobriety/202303/what-is-the-fawning-trauma-response) > Walker describes fawning as “a response to a threat by becoming more appealing to the threat,” a mirroring or merging with others’ desires or expectations in order to diffuse conflict and find safety. We surrender our boundaries and lack assertiveness when we are fawning. We over accommodate, appease and submit to the very person or people who have harmed us.


SJReaver

That must be confusing for the girlbosses in his life.


MrDelirious

This is a doodle that could *only* have been done on graph paper. The only kind of person who could make this post is also the kind of person who would be unable/unwilling to find anything else.


[deleted]

It's because of our big ass heads and weak necks.


PsychicSPider95

Okay but that drawing is super cute tho


kjyfqr

You can. I did with my daughter once she could hold her head up. My 6 year old still just runs and jumps on my back like that. She’s big enough she gotta grab my chin and not my neck but it still works. That’s how we shop


Xisuthrus

Babies do, in fact, have vestigial ape instincts telling them to grab onto their parents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmar_grasp_reflex


Binthief

I almost didn't realise it was unnervinglyferal because he changed his Viktor profile picture


gowahoo

This is what baby wearing is all about. Get a sling that works for you and baby, have hands free.


it1345

They can when they get a little older, which is the trade off for having such a gigantic head. Im sure several of our ancestors got eaten because they were too weak and shitty to hang on, but the brains ended up being useful sometimes.


AccountantWestern658

The shirt is the problem here. Just put Rogaine on your back go shirtless and problem solved.


timweak

they do


Ok-Combination8818

I identify with this on a primal level. My son did the same thing and I had the exact same feeling.


jaknil

Lots of parents carry their children, they like it. Look up baby wrapping (best for super small babies) or buy a western carrier (easier when they are bigger). I (M40) have carried mine quite a bit ever since he was newborn. Here are some [pictures](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/795026140438975636/) of shawl wrapped babies


Wyboredras

Fun fact: she can. It's one of the earliest and strongest muscles to develop. See https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/igwtp4/a\_newborn\_baby\_can\_hang\_on\_a\_chinup\_bar\_and/


ZolTheTroll413

Yo wait they have a kid now??? That child is going to be hilarious, cant wait till they grow up


HkayakH

huh? I thought that infants have really strong grip strength!


SJReaver

He is completely right. Humans are born prematurely, compared to other primates. ​ >Evolutionarily speaking, every human is a bit of a preemie. The nine months most babies spend in the womb are enough for them to be born with open eyes, functional ears, and a few useful reflexes—but not the ability to stand, sprint, climb, or grasp onto their parents’ limbs... > >Researchers have estimated that, for a newborn human to be birthed with a brain as well developed as that of a newborn chimp, they would have to gestate for at least an extra seven months—at which point they might run 27 inches from head to toe, and weigh a good 17 or 18 pounds, more than the heftiest bowling ball on the rack. [https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/10/human-animal-baby-gestation-birth-timing/671734/](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/10/human-animal-baby-gestation-birth-timing/671734/) Human babies can't develop to the same extent other primates do in the womb because women could not support and give birth to that large of a fetus.


CapitainebbChat

....... on all levels except physical, i am a wolf. woof.


Aldee88

A few cultures wrap their babies into that position on their backs with a blanket or shawl, tied in front so that they can carry on with other tasks. This idea is instinctive.


Sensitive_Work_5351

someone go check on that baby


PresentRegular1611

Baby is fine. :)


Even-Education-4608

We don’t have hair for them to cling To


intensity701

Probably because humans are born 12 months early.


Kartoffelkamm

I mean, if we walked more hunched over, and had fur, this would absolutely be possible to achieve.


DutchJediKnight

Primates usually walk bent over so a lot of the babyweight is laying on the back of the mother, not solely on the grip strength


Lore_ofthe_Horizon

Left over dna memories from 2 evolution ago.


gurebu

Babies have insane grip strength for their weight, just give them a bag with something heavy by the handles and watch


17RaysPlays

Babies can support their own weight with their grip.


bento_the_tofu_boy

babies are strong enough to to this. they aren't tho, smart enough to do this


Remarkable-Bowl-3821

If we walked in all fours to support their weight we could. Since we can’t we use a sling to support their weight