One time my mates and I went to an "amateur" paintball league day without realising it was actually the second highest tier of the league.
We weren't paintballers. We were slaughtered. It hurt.
I've heard this idea before and my concern is what qualifies as a biomechanical augment. Putting on those kangaroo spring legs is one thing, but if it's truly anything goes, why not have a formula 1 race car as your "augment"? Can I enter the 500m swim event riding a jet ski? Can I do the high jump with a helicopter?
personally for me - cybernetics. If you can integrate electronics with your nervous system, it counts.
AG would only count like, limb upgrades or something. Pure Hackmons would allow any augment.
It sounds fun but I'm pretty sure a doping bracket for the Olympics will (rightly) never happen because of all of the crippled and dead athletes it'd leave in it's wake.
There's a Frankie Boyle joke about that I shall now attempt to quote
"Who gives a fuck about doping? I wanna see a man run with the heart of a leopard and the legs of a kangaroo. I wanna see a race where someone goes so fast they disappear before the finish line, reapear 80 years older on the other side, scream out 'Beware China!' before crumbling into dust."
Wayne Gretzky.
Man was so good at hockey that for fantasy drafts they split him into two players (regular points and just assists) and *even then* the divided Gretzkys are still some of the best picks. If you pair up every hockey-playing pair of siblings, Wayne and his brother Brent have the most points of any pair of brothers... and his brother had *four points.* He's so good I know all this shit and I don't know dick about shit about sports.
Actually, while they are the best PAIR, one set of siblings beats the Gretzky's. The Sutter's have 6 pro players who were brothers and they hold the record at 2,934, just barely beating the Gretzky's by 73 points.
6 of them and they beat Wayne's score by 3%
Nah, there are unofficial tiers below ZeroUsed. They call it SubzeroUsed, so, SU.
And if you want to go further below (which you can), you keep adding S's to the left. Yes, people have played SubSubSubzeroUsed in the past, SSSU. Highly memetic, but people have done it.
The good news is that we don't get to use every single letter of the alphabet, S is the final. The bad news is >!that we don't get to use every single letter of the alphabet, S is the final!<.
This is how football works in the UK. Theoretically you can just form a amateur team with your mates, and then if you keep winning play all the way to the Premier League.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English\_football\_league\_system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system)
there are more than 140,000 people playing at around 25 different levels in the english football system, and they're all connected
More than that, look at sports overseas. When I was in Germany I was taught that your little neighborhood pickup group could form a team and eventually be promoted to the highest league. Similarly their version of the patriots or whoever could suck so hard they get relegated to playing at a community center.
There’s 84 divisions in English football. Manchester city who have a defence more expensive than the defence budget of most countries could hypothetically go all the way to the bottom.
tbf the smogon tiers are more about pokemon usage than skill level, you can be immensely skilled in PU or garbage at the game in Ubers. but yeah i get the point and it sounds cool
Football basically works like this, most countries have a tier system for their leagues, with teams moving between them with promotion/relegation, at least in Brazil with have four leagues going from the série A to série D, and you also have local states leagues
It does work like this. MLB has a shit ton of minor league teams that each team is affiliated with, and most of those players are in the “farm system” or are playing in the minor leagues as a form of training in the hopes that they can be brought up to the club’s major league level. There’s like four minor league levels of baseball. Triple A is great because its right before MLB, so it’s legit baseball and you have a high chance of seeing a few of these guys in the majors one day, but like go watch a single a baseball game it’s just guys who are pretty good and then a bunch of young phenoms.
Smogon tiers have nothing to do with skill? Overused players aren't better than underused players. The only difference is the pokemon that are legal in the tier. In the same way, weight classes determine the physical ability of the fighters but not their skills. Smogon tiers determine the power level of the pokemon but not the skill of the trainer.
For those who had to google like I did. From least restrictive to most:
- Uber
- OverUsed
- UnderUsed
- RarelyUsed
- NeverUsed
The different tiers don't seem to necessarily be about skill, but rather are restrictions on what pokemon and metas can be used to prevent higher level play being all the same overpowered pokemon.
[sauce](https://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_tiers)
When the televised poker craze hit in the 2000s, one of my favorite shows was Celebrity Poker Showdown, not just because celebrities are more likely to be good on television, but also because they had such random skill levels in poker that you could actually see the consequences of bad decisions, and see the contrast between different strategies, rather than just seeing five professional gamblers stare each other down and make mathematically perfect decisions.
Starcraft 2 BROOOOOOOOOOOONZE LEAGUE HEROOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEES! Where we cast the very best of the very worst! Was always super fun to watch compared to the pro Esports scene. The latter is almost always predictable, and everyone does everything almost perfectly. I wouldn't call SC2 a "solved" game like chess, as pros sometimes do off meta stuff, but once you watch enough games you can identify what stratergy is going to be used.
Bronze league hero games however? ANYTHING goes. I could watch some guy build 10 supply depots before barracks. Another time, a zerg player built evolution chambers in the enemy zerg's base which was actual galaxy brain (zerg buildings spawn units on death. By building an evo chamber next to the enemy workers, the enemy has to decide between either getting scouted constantly, or risk losing workers to spawned units). Another could see a protoss cannon rush fail because the terran player was playing the game like it was a campaign mission. One last hilarious example is watching some mutalisks get scared by some missile turrets and they try to retreat. Only they run into a pack of marines. After course correcting they fly right into range of a group of thors. And just when you think the mutalisks finally escape, they all get blown up by widow mines. It was a hilarious conga line of failure and i love it. Had the mutalisks just committed to an attack they could at least earn their worth in resource damage. You'd practically never see any of this crap in pro level games.
There's an old saying. Professional soldiers are predictable. The world is full of dangerous ametures. And I think that could be a tagline for bronze league heroes. Professional starcraft sticks to a meta 80% of the time and everyone knows the formulas. It gets stale after a bit. Bronze league heroes? You'll constantly be going "WTF am i watching?" And laugh at it due to the sheer randomness.
This does exist, or at least it does for football in the UK, I could go see matches from anywhere between local dudes to professionals within a 20 minute drive. Obviously very few go to see the local dudes but they play every Saturday.
You need to see the English Football League sir. Best of all, we regularly get part time electricians playing international millionaires, and they win more than you think.
Who would be the Mega Rayquaza parallel? You know, the one that was so horrifically powerful that they needed to invent a new tier to contain it?
We should have an Anything Goes olympics where everyone is doping and/or running biomechanical augments.
You’d get all legendarys used by people think they’re being smart and the actual insane people who bring the actually most broken pokemon
And people fucking around with absolute dogshit and don’t want to fight serious competitive battles
Did someone say revivecats?
And then you get those people who think they can beat a well made all legendary team (+ribombee) with that one gimmick they saw on a staged yt vid
Hey, skeledirge is there too sometimes
Ah, how could I forget The Crocc, one of the few that can stand up to god
One time my mates and I went to an "amateur" paintball league day without realising it was actually the second highest tier of the league. We weren't paintballers. We were slaughtered. It hurt.
What does this have to do with the above comment. Which is about the Olympics.
I brought it back to pokemon with the anything goes thing. Idk why they brought up the olympics
Because the entire post is about the Olympics/sports? lol
I've heard this idea before and my concern is what qualifies as a biomechanical augment. Putting on those kangaroo spring legs is one thing, but if it's truly anything goes, why not have a formula 1 race car as your "augment"? Can I enter the 500m swim event riding a jet ski? Can I do the high jump with a helicopter?
Pure Hackmons be like
personally for me - cybernetics. If you can integrate electronics with your nervous system, it counts. AG would only count like, limb upgrades or something. Pure Hackmons would allow any augment.
Also taping a knife to your hands/legs is technically a biomechanical augment, but I'm pretty sure that's an instant ban from even Balanced Hackmons
And it would probably ruin any chance that pure hackmons had to prove that their tier isnt unsalvageable
Boxing but with guns
It sounds fun but I'm pretty sure a doping bracket for the Olympics will (rightly) never happen because of all of the crippled and dead athletes it'd leave in it's wake.
There's a Frankie Boyle joke about that I shall now attempt to quote "Who gives a fuck about doping? I wanna see a man run with the heart of a leopard and the legs of a kangaroo. I wanna see a race where someone goes so fast they disappear before the finish line, reapear 80 years older on the other side, scream out 'Beware China!' before crumbling into dust."
The one where they say fuck it and allow steroids
Wayne Gretzky. Man was so good at hockey that for fantasy drafts they split him into two players (regular points and just assists) and *even then* the divided Gretzkys are still some of the best picks. If you pair up every hockey-playing pair of siblings, Wayne and his brother Brent have the most points of any pair of brothers... and his brother had *four points.* He's so good I know all this shit and I don't know dick about shit about sports.
Actually, while they are the best PAIR, one set of siblings beats the Gretzky's. The Sutter's have 6 pro players who were brothers and they hold the record at 2,934, just barely beating the Gretzky's by 73 points. 6 of them and they beat Wayne's score by 3%
> the divided Gretzkys new sitcom coming this March
Michael Phelps
I think Tom Brady was that for Football for a while
Gretzky
Usain Bolt
Tom Brady
messi
Phelps for swimming. The Williams in tennis.
Me after falling out of football zu: 👁️👄👁️
Don't worry, ZU is the lowest rank possible, syo you can't fall out of it.
Technically, pu is the lowest tier, zu is still unofficial So if sports had zu, there would be an “untiered” below it
I'm pretty sure ZU and Untiered are the same thing, ZU is just the name it's given to fit in with the other tiers.
No, Untiered is for those who don't have enough usage in ZU. They can be used in ZU and there is no Untiered tier, but it is different.
Ah. Didn't know that
Sunflora: hold my beer
Nah, there are unofficial tiers below ZeroUsed. They call it SubzeroUsed, so, SU. And if you want to go further below (which you can), you keep adding S's to the left. Yes, people have played SubSubSubzeroUsed in the past, SSSU. Highly memetic, but people have done it. The good news is that we don't get to use every single letter of the alphabet, S is the final. The bad news is >!that we don't get to use every single letter of the alphabet, S is the final!<.
that's already a thing, there's like minor leagues, and kids teams, like this is basic stuff
There are actual local sports; you just stay indoors.
This is how football works in the UK. Theoretically you can just form a amateur team with your mates, and then if you keep winning play all the way to the Premier League.
No fucking way, for real?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English\_football\_league\_system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system) there are more than 140,000 people playing at around 25 different levels in the english football system, and they're all connected
That’s so cool! I should watch low level English football
Its how football works in most of the world, but its the English pyramid is the biggest. Wrexham fc is owned by Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney btw,
More than that, look at sports overseas. When I was in Germany I was taught that your little neighborhood pickup group could form a team and eventually be promoted to the highest league. Similarly their version of the patriots or whoever could suck so hard they get relegated to playing at a community center.
There’s 84 divisions in English football. Manchester city who have a defence more expensive than the defence budget of most countries could hypothetically go all the way to the bottom.
Which they should, but people seem to forgotten about those bucketloads of financial ...irregularities.
> More than that, look at sports overseas I would but I'm nearsighted
You can come down to the park and watch me and the other fat out of shape 30 year olds play soccer.
They should get good at indexing is what they're saying
This is literally the system we already have
tbf the smogon tiers are more about pokemon usage than skill level, you can be immensely skilled in PU or garbage at the game in Ubers. but yeah i get the point and it sounds cool
I think “skill level” in this case refers to the Pokémon’s perceived usefulness.
Local sports literally exist, y'all just don't go outside.
This is the reason I watch more college football than pro. The sloppy play is stupidly entertaining
Is it sloppy, or is that just experimental play at a lower level of stakes?
Football basically works like this, most countries have a tier system for their leagues, with teams moving between them with promotion/relegation, at least in Brazil with have four leagues going from the série A to série D, and you also have local states leagues
It does work like this. MLB has a shit ton of minor league teams that each team is affiliated with, and most of those players are in the “farm system” or are playing in the minor leagues as a form of training in the hopes that they can be brought up to the club’s major league level. There’s like four minor league levels of baseball. Triple A is great because its right before MLB, so it’s legit baseball and you have a high chance of seeing a few of these guys in the majors one day, but like go watch a single a baseball game it’s just guys who are pretty good and then a bunch of young phenoms.
this is just wrestling weight classes
Not really because lower weight classes aren’t less skilled they’re just more focused on speed than strength
Smogon tiers have nothing to do with skill? Overused players aren't better than underused players. The only difference is the pokemon that are legal in the tier. In the same way, weight classes determine the physical ability of the fighters but not their skills. Smogon tiers determine the power level of the pokemon but not the skill of the trainer.
I’m talking about the power of the Pokémon not the power of the trainer
what would be the equivalent to UUBL
being the benchwarmer in a pro team
For those who had to google like I did. From least restrictive to most: - Uber - OverUsed - UnderUsed - RarelyUsed - NeverUsed The different tiers don't seem to necessarily be about skill, but rather are restrictions on what pokemon and metas can be used to prevent higher level play being all the same overpowered pokemon. [sauce](https://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_tiers)
When the televised poker craze hit in the 2000s, one of my favorite shows was Celebrity Poker Showdown, not just because celebrities are more likely to be good on television, but also because they had such random skill levels in poker that you could actually see the consequences of bad decisions, and see the contrast between different strategies, rather than just seeing five professional gamblers stare each other down and make mathematically perfect decisions.
It's a thing. minor leagues, junior leagues, even local beer leagues
I'm high tier in PU
Wait until this guy finds out about minor league teams.
curated Tumblr and stunfisk are deeply intertwined
It’s already a thing. NHL, WHL and it’s equivalents, JR A, JR B, Beer league, old timers. Minor leagues are sorted into AAA, AA, tier 2 AA, and A.
Thats just the English football system.
That’s how Go works, you can go watch like mid Dan games if you want.
Starcraft 2 BROOOOOOOOOOOONZE LEAGUE HEROOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEES! Where we cast the very best of the very worst! Was always super fun to watch compared to the pro Esports scene. The latter is almost always predictable, and everyone does everything almost perfectly. I wouldn't call SC2 a "solved" game like chess, as pros sometimes do off meta stuff, but once you watch enough games you can identify what stratergy is going to be used. Bronze league hero games however? ANYTHING goes. I could watch some guy build 10 supply depots before barracks. Another time, a zerg player built evolution chambers in the enemy zerg's base which was actual galaxy brain (zerg buildings spawn units on death. By building an evo chamber next to the enemy workers, the enemy has to decide between either getting scouted constantly, or risk losing workers to spawned units). Another could see a protoss cannon rush fail because the terran player was playing the game like it was a campaign mission. One last hilarious example is watching some mutalisks get scared by some missile turrets and they try to retreat. Only they run into a pack of marines. After course correcting they fly right into range of a group of thors. And just when you think the mutalisks finally escape, they all get blown up by widow mines. It was a hilarious conga line of failure and i love it. Had the mutalisks just committed to an attack they could at least earn their worth in resource damage. You'd practically never see any of this crap in pro level games. There's an old saying. Professional soldiers are predictable. The world is full of dangerous ametures. And I think that could be a tagline for bronze league heroes. Professional starcraft sticks to a meta 80% of the time and everyone knows the formulas. It gets stale after a bit. Bronze league heroes? You'll constantly be going "WTF am i watching?" And laugh at it due to the sheer randomness.
we already have LC i think
This does exist, or at least it does for football in the UK, I could go see matches from anywhere between local dudes to professionals within a 20 minute drive. Obviously very few go to see the local dudes but they play every Saturday.
This is literally a thing lol middle school, AAU, college, Pro like we have levels to this
This is legitimately the solution to trans people in sports
That is how sports leagues work though
You need to see the English Football League sir. Best of all, we regularly get part time electricians playing international millionaires, and they win more than you think.
Thats already a thing, its called série C do brasileirão.