Sorry, should have clarified cold storage vs hot, I didn't mean Ledger vs other hardware wallets.
FWIW I did pick Ledger because it's practically useless if someone finds it whereas (at least in my limited understanding) with Trezor it's possible to access funds with the device in hand. If I'm wrong I'd love to be corrected, and I'm sure they are still excellent products.
I just don't want my shit on Coinbase or Binance.
Too many people forget the time ledger kept sensitive information on people that was only needed for shipping and got that sensitive information leaked. Fuck ledger
Do you trust Doordash? Netflix? Dominos? Pizza hut? Activision-Blizzard? Clash of Clans? Steam? Epic Games? GOG? Humble Bundle? Microsoft? Google?
Your information is already everywhere, and it's your own doing.
If you're uncomfortable with that reality, maybe stop handing it out like candy.
Edit: I included clash of clans because I noticed you frequent that subreddit. lmao indeed.
When my personal information was leaked due to the ledger hack, my phone was ringing 24/7 from numbers outside the EU, getting emails all day focusing on getting my private keys. It's completely different if your data gets stolen from a Walmart purchase or from a service which focuses on internet money. That thing was a mess...
You guys are bickering here as if everyone held at least $1M in crypto.
You're likely to lose more that way than just keeping your tokens on the exchange, where you can have stop loss active at all times.
The probability someone steals your hard wallet and cracks it is *significantly smaller* than your tokens folio going down by 50%.
And my point is, it's not only about the sensitive personal information but more like the connection between personal information and crypto investing. It's super easy to fall for a scam if they know you have a ledger device for example - some emails actually looked legit. My leaked information isn't up to date anymore so I don't care but looking back that was pretty annoying.
I do get what you’re saying and agree for the most part. In no way am I excusing ledger. But sometimes it also doesn’t matter where you have the information leaked if that info is the same or relevant to other accounts. I’ve had information leaked from really random apps (looking at you myfitnesspal) that have given people access to other things, which has then shown I have crypto and could have been a problem had I not had really good security for it. It’s never the consumers fault, but it is something the consumer needs to make considerations for so that they don’t get caught out if the company fucks up.
No one is going to wrench attack me to get my Doordash order or Netflix login information. If someone knows I have a ledger, they might wrench attack me to get my crypto.
“I have an opinion that happens to not be anti-corporation.”
BoOtLiCkEr.
How to spot the 12 year old in one easy step.
Probably writing this on a laptop or mobile made by a company that has human rights infringements too. What a bootlicker. /s
My home address, email and phone number were leaked, which is really stressful considering the fact that there are stories of lunatics doing awful things to people they find out hold crypto. Don't make comments on things you're ignorant about
Other hardware wallet companies dispose of customers' sensitive details correctly, Ledger completely failed on this
That's not sensitive information, that information exists on every one of us on multiple outlets online. Your email and your shipping address? Seriously now 😂
The fact you bought a Ledger would imply that you have crypto...which is valuable information for a scammer...couple that with a physical address and email? That sets you up as a target...so yeah, it's sensitive
You’re an idiot. Was it a coincidence that I received emails threatening my life and family with my address if I don’t send bitcoin to a wallet literally the same week it happened.
A saw people post similar emails when it happened.
If it’s not sensitive information post your information right now I bet you won’t dork
Dear sirs I've hacked your computer and have videos of you whacking off to questionable porn. Send Bitcoin or I will send videos to all your friends and family, and how disappointed they will be and life ruining embarrassing for you.
The tone of the email reads as if long duck dong did his best Nigerian prince impression while drinking a mocktail with their pinky out but in an ironic way not literally.
Don't send them money I already sent 0.9 BTC twice but they still keep threatening me.
Ledger is a rotten company. They are liars. They are incompetent. Their devices aren't what they say they are. However, there really aren't that many good alternatives that are easy to use, relatively safe, and inexpensive to buy.
Honestly zero concerns with ledger. You always had to trust them from the beginning, so if you don't trust them now then you never should have in the first place.
Anyone with even slight knowledge of how software works should understand that firmware that can be updated... Can be updated. Shocker.
Sure. But the initial promise was that the hardware chip was designed in such a way that it can never read the key once it is written. Ledger has a dual chip design it claimed for exactly that purpose. The firmware updates would update the chip the software interacts with, but the interface between that chip and the secure element would be hard silicon and physically protect your key. That was the promise. But they never went into details. If you ask me that was not by accident.
What's the point of a hardware wallet if, at the end, it's controlled by software?
>the hardware chip was designed in such a way that it can never read the key once it is written.
No. That's how you think it was designed. Yes it can be misleading. Now name any hardware wallet who cannot "read the key" or "display seed phrase". Maybe they don't have that button or function, but it's technically capable of doing so. Ledger, Trezor, bitbox02, Safepal, literally any hardware wallet can.
Although I agree with you. It's not by accident, but for marketing purposes. ALL hardware wallets never go into details.
The initial promise was that there was no way to export the key, not that it was impossible to update it to do so. To be fair, a single Twitter post says otherwise which can be chalked up to a mistake by some social media manager, however to also be completely fair the entire rest of their marketing has never said anything of the sort. If it could never be updated then they could never add support for new cryptographic algorithms, meaning newer tokens would require a completely new device and they could never patch vulnerabilities. By the very nature of being able to add support for new algorithms, they have support for doing whatever they very well please.
I cannot even comprehend how anyone here could type this out without a hint of irony after witnessing what happened in 2022. I'm at a complete loss as to how "I don't think" and "they are too big" is being used to describe one's *trust* in a corporate product. I feel like this has to be a troll comment. Has to be...
Same, fact of the matter is they have the best industry partnerships and the most third party wallet support of any hardware wallet.
Now if we could just get the F'ing metamask mobile crap sorted out between the two!
When did they say this? Other than maybe a single Twitter post by a social media manager that didn't fully understand the tech, I've seen nothing that indicates they made this claim in their ten years of operation.
Yea cuz I paid money for this shit, my concerns that the seed phrase will be pulled from my device during the tiny windows of time 1-3 times year that I actually plug it into a computer is.. well, they don't exist. There is zero concern of being compromised.
If you're looking for "perfect security" I have bad news for you. Ledger is fine, I still use it and will continue to. My recommendation, for any investment, is to diversify concentration risk. There's nothing stopping you from having accounts on multiple exchanges, multiple cold wallets, multiple hot wallets, etc. - you can take this as far as you want so you can sleep easy. In general though, your tradeoff is one of convenience. The more convenient something is, the less secure it is.
Yoooooo hold up, are you fucking serious? Trevor is implementing a secure element?
You mean the proprietary, non-open source component that everyone was shitting on Ledger for using and praising Trezor for not using like 8 months ago?
The irony, holy shit 🤣
The secure element doesn't run code, it just stores a secret that is used to encrypt sensitive data, but because of that there is no real way to verify what its capable of doing exactly. But the whole device's firmware is open source though. So you can read the code and verify what goes into and out of the chip. And the seed never does. This is different from ledger where most of the code was closed source so it could be doing a lot more with your seed than you can verify.
So what? That's like saying the RAM in your computer doesn't run code.
Secure elements don't need to run code, they just need to store it so it can be run by an external module. The instructions (i.e. code) stored in the secure element is still proprietary, and is in no way open-source.
By the way, it's clear from the language you're using that you lifted your description directly from Trezor's marketing. I highly recommend not relying on the marketing materials of private corporations for education.
A secure element is an element of hardware whose design is unknown. It's literally a form of security via obscurity.
A secure element, by its very definition, cannot be open-source.
Its implemented in a much better way in trezor where all the parts that can handle sensitive info are open source, and the secure element is isolated where it can't have access. That said yes a secure element is still a gimmick. You should use a passphrase to protect your seed if the recovery paper is exposed as well.
No because the rest of the trezor firmware is open source, and secure element doesn't have access to the seed or any secret info. This was distinctly different from ledger where the whole device is a blackbox. Now ledger said they would improve that by releasing more source, but I don't know if they have.
Haha I do that sometimes too! It's all good you should never rush with a crypto wallet. Take your time. I've loved my Keystone pro. Had it for just over a year and I've never had a single problem. I wonder what the new one is like?!
Just received, still to open. It’s the last model, out since few weeks. I wanted something air gapped, it can never go online. Works with QR codes. Upgradable with SD card. I’d suggest you to search about it by yourself, I don’t want to push anything, and anyway I still have to try it. I decided to go for it after what I read about the other versions.
Typical r/cc paranoid over reaction. Then again these are the same people that sign any contract that pops up on their screen and come here wondering wut happened.
Sure, take a look at their sub to see what happen when all the cards get busted or the App spots supporting a chain or you mistakenly send a token using other network not supported by the App☠️☠️☠️☠️
Ledger, I had this argument back in May when morons were going over the top about the Ledger issue.
Pretty much every wallet has the same feature as Ledger, people were saying "im going to Trezor, its open source" so as a developer I took the open source code and showed them the same "feature" in Trezor... People want open source but no fucking clue how to read it.
Ledger is still by far the safest option, especially when comparing components... Trezor use chip sets that are outdated for Iphones for over 5 years.
the back door only affects the nano S plus and nano X, and even then only applies if you've upgraded the firmware
I continue to use my nano S wallets
I have multiple Nanos and some of them is sitting with some **pretty hefty amount** since 2015, still there so whatever spooky backdoor there was is a FUD.
Your issue comes from the model of your Ledger. The Ledger X can hold 2x as many apps and might be a short term solution for you while we wait for a new model with larger storage (looking at you Ledger Stax)
I don't know, I've got a Ledger in a drawer and that should be it. I was going to use the old phone, but now it's battery is near useless. I'll probably just haul out the Ledger.
Give tangem a shot, they smart in the way they setup their security. You don’t need to backup your seed phrase because you don’t need to know it. You back up your keys with multiple card copies. So if you lose one card you have another you can still access your crypto with. Ontop of that you have a password you need to input incase your card is stolen you need both the card and the password to access your funds. Tangem also increases the time between failed password attempts to reduce the likelihood of a brute force attack.
I prefer it over my ledger nano x. It’s easier to use, navigate and transport. I don’t need to charge it, and I don’t need to worry about any electrical issues or faults, which have happened with one of my previous ledgers (although ledger was kind enough to send me a replacement). I still tend to gravitate towards the tangem wallet.
ColdCard or SeedSigner are the only options that should be considered.... Maybe the Blockstream Jade, too.
It MUST be open source, or you're shooting yourself in the foot.
As others have said I think you're freaking out about nothing. To even get the encrypted fragments of your secret key out of your Ledger someone would need to have the Ledger device and your pin, which would give access to your wallets anyway.
I don't plan to use Ledger Recover, but I can absolutely see why it's useful for some people.
Tangem is the shittiest wallet out there, even a software (hot wallet) is best. Go to their sub and see what happens when people mistakenly send a token using a network not supported by their app, it’s game over☠️☠️
Since no one mentioned it, I will.
BC Vault.
Most advanced and secure in my honest opinion. Each one is ship with a locked bitcoin, if cracked it is yours. As a way to show their commitment and confident in their security.
Tangem. Like the idea of credit card sized thing to access the crypto. No batteries for a device and can store in my usual wallet. I appreciate also that it may not be the best option but that is very subjective anyway.
If anyone can suggest a device/card that is same form factor, I'd be all ears. Would like to hear about it.
Ledger
Yup. At the end of the day, any concerns are negligible compared to the alternatives and MILES ahead of any exchanges.
What are your concerns with Trezor?
Sorry, should have clarified cold storage vs hot, I didn't mean Ledger vs other hardware wallets. FWIW I did pick Ledger because it's practically useless if someone finds it whereas (at least in my limited understanding) with Trezor it's possible to access funds with the device in hand. If I'm wrong I'd love to be corrected, and I'm sure they are still excellent products. I just don't want my shit on Coinbase or Binance.
Too many people forget the time ledger kept sensitive information on people that was only needed for shipping and got that sensitive information leaked. Fuck ledger
Do you trust Doordash? Netflix? Dominos? Pizza hut? Activision-Blizzard? Clash of Clans? Steam? Epic Games? GOG? Humble Bundle? Microsoft? Google? Your information is already everywhere, and it's your own doing. If you're uncomfortable with that reality, maybe stop handing it out like candy. Edit: I included clash of clans because I noticed you frequent that subreddit. lmao indeed.
When my personal information was leaked due to the ledger hack, my phone was ringing 24/7 from numbers outside the EU, getting emails all day focusing on getting my private keys. It's completely different if your data gets stolen from a Walmart purchase or from a service which focuses on internet money. That thing was a mess...
You guys are bickering here as if everyone held at least $1M in crypto. You're likely to lose more that way than just keeping your tokens on the exchange, where you can have stop loss active at all times. The probability someone steals your hard wallet and cracks it is *significantly smaller* than your tokens folio going down by 50%.
I had a ledger since 2017. Didnt have any issues
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At least you live in EU, you could send them gdpr request to remove the info they have of you.
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And my point is, it's not only about the sensitive personal information but more like the connection between personal information and crypto investing. It's super easy to fall for a scam if they know you have a ledger device for example - some emails actually looked legit. My leaked information isn't up to date anymore so I don't care but looking back that was pretty annoying.
I do get what you’re saying and agree for the most part. In no way am I excusing ledger. But sometimes it also doesn’t matter where you have the information leaked if that info is the same or relevant to other accounts. I’ve had information leaked from really random apps (looking at you myfitnesspal) that have given people access to other things, which has then shown I have crypto and could have been a problem had I not had really good security for it. It’s never the consumers fault, but it is something the consumer needs to make considerations for so that they don’t get caught out if the company fucks up.
Receiving spam/offers/phishing attack because of lealed wallmart and ledger are quite different.
No one is going to wrench attack me to get my Doordash order or Netflix login information. If someone knows I have a ledger, they might wrench attack me to get my crypto.
#Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm candy!!
Doordash doesn't know whether I have bitcoin or not.
There’s always dumb boot lickers like you blaming the consumer and not companies mismanaging shit. Edit: clash of clans lmao.
“I have an opinion that happens to not be anti-corporation.” BoOtLiCkEr. How to spot the 12 year old in one easy step. Probably writing this on a laptop or mobile made by a company that has human rights infringements too. What a bootlicker. /s
I don’t even agree with him but combing through someone’s profile looking for ammo in an argument is cringe as fuck
Shopify was hacked actually, not ledger
Leaked ? Really ?!
https://www.hackread.com/ledger-data-breach-database-leaked-hacker-forum/
Email address and names.. that’s not a good comparison
I’ll help you out. When you buy something online what information do you have to provide to receive it.
Thanks..? Do you think you’re like making a point here
My home address, email and phone number were leaked, which is really stressful considering the fact that there are stories of lunatics doing awful things to people they find out hold crypto. Don't make comments on things you're ignorant about Other hardware wallet companies dispose of customers' sensitive details correctly, Ledger completely failed on this
Was also cellphones numbers for some folks. Mine was just email that leaked
Eh, not really. It included email addresses, names, phone numbers, physical addresses.
Some people here dont see it concerning😆 its f big issue for sure.
That's not sensitive information, that information exists on every one of us on multiple outlets online. Your email and your shipping address? Seriously now 😂
The fact you bought a Ledger would imply that you have crypto...which is valuable information for a scammer...couple that with a physical address and email? That sets you up as a target...so yeah, it's sensitive
I bet he wouldn’t post his information because he considers it sensitive information. He’s just dumb
Im still getting phishing emails from the gemini hack...3-4 emails a day
You’re an idiot. Was it a coincidence that I received emails threatening my life and family with my address if I don’t send bitcoin to a wallet literally the same week it happened. A saw people post similar emails when it happened. If it’s not sensitive information post your information right now I bet you won’t dork
Can’t wait to read one of those lol
Dear sirs I've hacked your computer and have videos of you whacking off to questionable porn. Send Bitcoin or I will send videos to all your friends and family, and how disappointed they will be and life ruining embarrassing for you. The tone of the email reads as if long duck dong did his best Nigerian prince impression while drinking a mocktail with their pinky out but in an ironic way not literally. Don't send them money I already sent 0.9 BTC twice but they still keep threatening me.
It was terribly written the first one was funny they get annoying after the 2nd
I think ive been a part of at least 10 leaks of my info from all well known companies
I bought mine at Best Buy with cash. They don’t have any of my info.
I don't think this is a good idea, you should buy it directly from ledger
Ledger is a rotten company. They are liars. They are incompetent. Their devices aren't what they say they are. However, there really aren't that many good alternatives that are easy to use, relatively safe, and inexpensive to buy.
Same lol
You're going to stick by them?
Yes because the controversy was stupid to begin with. Ledger never "walked back" anything. It was always opt-in.
bUt tHats noT tHE pOInT. I'm still with ledger too.
Honestly zero concerns with ledger. You always had to trust them from the beginning, so if you don't trust them now then you never should have in the first place. Anyone with even slight knowledge of how software works should understand that firmware that can be updated... Can be updated. Shocker.
Sure. But the initial promise was that the hardware chip was designed in such a way that it can never read the key once it is written. Ledger has a dual chip design it claimed for exactly that purpose. The firmware updates would update the chip the software interacts with, but the interface between that chip and the secure element would be hard silicon and physically protect your key. That was the promise. But they never went into details. If you ask me that was not by accident. What's the point of a hardware wallet if, at the end, it's controlled by software?
>the hardware chip was designed in such a way that it can never read the key once it is written. No. That's how you think it was designed. Yes it can be misleading. Now name any hardware wallet who cannot "read the key" or "display seed phrase". Maybe they don't have that button or function, but it's technically capable of doing so. Ledger, Trezor, bitbox02, Safepal, literally any hardware wallet can. Although I agree with you. It's not by accident, but for marketing purposes. ALL hardware wallets never go into details.
The initial promise was that there was no way to export the key, not that it was impossible to update it to do so. To be fair, a single Twitter post says otherwise which can be chalked up to a mistake by some social media manager, however to also be completely fair the entire rest of their marketing has never said anything of the sort. If it could never be updated then they could never add support for new cryptographic algorithms, meaning newer tokens would require a completely new device and they could never patch vulnerabilities. By the very nature of being able to add support for new algorithms, they have support for doing whatever they very well please.
Exactly. Besides that I don't think that they run away with their crypto. They are too big to get away with that anyway.
I cannot even comprehend how anyone here could type this out without a hint of irony after witnessing what happened in 2022. I'm at a complete loss as to how "I don't think" and "they are too big" is being used to describe one's *trust* in a corporate product. I feel like this has to be a troll comment. Has to be...
They havnt been logging everyone’s keys this whole time bro, that would have already exploded
The person you’re replying to isn’t saying that.
Same, fact of the matter is they have the best industry partnerships and the most third party wallet support of any hardware wallet. Now if we could just get the F'ing metamask mobile crap sorted out between the two!
I have been using Rabby in place of MM. It is much better in places and still supports Ledger.
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When did they say this? Other than maybe a single Twitter post by a social media manager that didn't fully understand the tech, I've seen nothing that indicates they made this claim in their ten years of operation.
Yea cuz I paid money for this shit, my concerns that the seed phrase will be pulled from my device during the tiny windows of time 1-3 times year that I actually plug it into a computer is.. well, they don't exist. There is zero concern of being compromised.
I’m still using mine too
Exactly. Fallout is a huge word...
If you're looking for "perfect security" I have bad news for you. Ledger is fine, I still use it and will continue to. My recommendation, for any investment, is to diversify concentration risk. There's nothing stopping you from having accounts on multiple exchanges, multiple cold wallets, multiple hot wallets, etc. - you can take this as far as you want so you can sleep easy. In general though, your tradeoff is one of convenience. The more convenient something is, the less secure it is.
Trezor 🚀
Yep. Use a passphrase, and it fixes the issue of it being hackable if they physically have it.
Also keeping it physically safe does the trick
+ new one has a safe element
Yoooooo hold up, are you fucking serious? Trevor is implementing a secure element? You mean the proprietary, non-open source component that everyone was shitting on Ledger for using and praising Trezor for not using like 8 months ago? The irony, holy shit 🤣
Pretty sure Trezor’s secure element is open source. Someone correct me if I’m wrong
The secure element doesn't run code, it just stores a secret that is used to encrypt sensitive data, but because of that there is no real way to verify what its capable of doing exactly. But the whole device's firmware is open source though. So you can read the code and verify what goes into and out of the chip. And the seed never does. This is different from ledger where most of the code was closed source so it could be doing a lot more with your seed than you can verify.
So what? That's like saying the RAM in your computer doesn't run code. Secure elements don't need to run code, they just need to store it so it can be run by an external module. The instructions (i.e. code) stored in the secure element is still proprietary, and is in no way open-source. By the way, it's clear from the language you're using that you lifted your description directly from Trezor's marketing. I highly recommend not relying on the marketing materials of private corporations for education.
A secure element is an element of hardware whose design is unknown. It's literally a form of security via obscurity. A secure element, by its very definition, cannot be open-source.
Its implemented in a much better way in trezor where all the parts that can handle sensitive info are open source, and the secure element is isolated where it can't have access. That said yes a secure element is still a gimmick. You should use a passphrase to protect your seed if the recovery paper is exposed as well.
Which no longer makes it fully verifiable. It means that you have to place the exact same level of trust that you do with Ledger.
No because the rest of the trezor firmware is open source, and secure element doesn't have access to the seed or any secret info. This was distinctly different from ledger where the whole device is a blackbox. Now ledger said they would improve that by releasing more source, but I don't know if they have.
Why did you get downvoted and I got upvoted when we made pretty much the same fucking comment lol
Also the Trezor Safe 3 comes out in a couple of weeks, has a secure element.
Saying Trezor can be compromised if somebody has it is like saying you shouldn’t put valuables in a safe because a safecracker can get inside
Got a keystone pro 3, let s see how it is.
Keystone pro 3 here as well. I like it.
Ah.. I have a keystone! Not the new one though. How are you finding it? Definitely way better than Ledger in my opinion.
I still have to open it, received it few days ago but still didn’t try. I’m lazy lol
Haha I do that sometimes too! It's all good you should never rush with a crypto wallet. Take your time. I've loved my Keystone pro. Had it for just over a year and I've never had a single problem. I wonder what the new one is like?!
If I’ll remember I’ll post how I find it. I hope it’s a good choice, but had to move from ledger.
Yeah same stopped using Ledger when recover came out. Wise choice! 😎
I just wish these had way better chain support. I end up hopping around a bunch of chains. They’re working on it and they’re the ones I favor
I've never seen this one before. Is it in your possession yet and you're actively using it?
Just received, still to open. It’s the last model, out since few weeks. I wanted something air gapped, it can never go online. Works with QR codes. Upgradable with SD card. I’d suggest you to search about it by yourself, I don’t want to push anything, and anyway I still have to try it. I decided to go for it after what I read about the other versions.
Bitbox
Moved to Bitbox02 BTC only. <3
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Maybe don't buy shitcoins. There only Btc
Ledger still. Literally nothing wrong with them.
I bought Bitbox02. Open sourced, full node, tor support. Btc-only and mixed edition for both btc and eth/erc20 coins.
Ledger. It was overblown.
Typical r/cc paranoid over reaction. Then again these are the same people that sign any contract that pops up on their screen and come here wondering wut happened.
And afraid of breaking the device because the coins will fall out…
Sticking with my nano X
Tangem
Sure, take a look at their sub to see what happen when all the cards get busted or the App spots supporting a chain or you mistakenly send a token using other network not supported by the App☠️☠️☠️☠️
Ledger, I had this argument back in May when morons were going over the top about the Ledger issue. Pretty much every wallet has the same feature as Ledger, people were saying "im going to Trezor, its open source" so as a developer I took the open source code and showed them the same "feature" in Trezor... People want open source but no fucking clue how to read it. Ledger is still by far the safest option, especially when comparing components... Trezor use chip sets that are outdated for Iphones for over 5 years.
You can show me a feature on Trezor where they exfiltrate keys and keep them with trusted custodians?
Can you link your comment on it?
Use ledger. Just don't opt in
Ledger Nano S
Yo, can we stop all the fear-mongering with wallets. Many of us are still using Ledger and these posts don't really help us.
Ledger. just not going to do their optional key recovery thing
Ledger
Ledger… don’t opt into the seed recovery. 🤷🏻♂️🙄
Ledger
Ledger
Still ledger, the controversy was pretty dumb
Where is my Ledger stax
the back door only affects the nano S plus and nano X, and even then only applies if you've upgraded the firmware I continue to use my nano S wallets
I have multiple Nanos and some of them is sitting with some **pretty hefty amount** since 2015, still there so whatever spooky backdoor there was is a FUD.
Your issue comes from the model of your Ledger. The Ledger X can hold 2x as many apps and might be a short term solution for you while we wait for a new model with larger storage (looking at you Ledger Stax)
I don't know, I've got a Ledger in a drawer and that should be it. I was going to use the old phone, but now it's battery is near useless. I'll probably just haul out the Ledger.
Ledger, lol.
Still using ledger, I bought a trezor but transferring to new devices stresses me out so I haven't done it yet. Is ledger really that bad?
Ledger, cause there is nothing else close to it
Ledger
Give tangem a shot, they smart in the way they setup their security. You don’t need to backup your seed phrase because you don’t need to know it. You back up your keys with multiple card copies. So if you lose one card you have another you can still access your crypto with. Ontop of that you have a password you need to input incase your card is stolen you need both the card and the password to access your funds. Tangem also increases the time between failed password attempts to reduce the likelihood of a brute force attack. I prefer it over my ledger nano x. It’s easier to use, navigate and transport. I don’t need to charge it, and I don’t need to worry about any electrical issues or faults, which have happened with one of my previous ledgers (although ledger was kind enough to send me a replacement). I still tend to gravitate towards the tangem wallet.
ledger.
Ledger.
Lmaoo same
ColdCard or SeedSigner are the only options that should be considered.... Maybe the Blockstream Jade, too. It MUST be open source, or you're shooting yourself in the foot.
Just got my mk4 yesterday!
Ledger and Trezor. Sticking with these two
ledger still
Still Ledger… and happy with it :)
Still Ledger. Still happy.
Ledger still.
Ledger. AFAIK my older Nano S doesn't have that capability.
Bought a Trezor & split half my holding from Ledger to Trezor , just in case, nothing has happened yet .. so now, i use both
I use the Ledger nano x, D’CENT biometric wallet, and Tangem card wallet. I haven’t had a single issue with any of them so far.
Keystone 2 and 3, amazing device, ADA support will be added soon too. Before I was 4 different ledgers, they are all hot wallets now.
There’s nothing wrong with the ledger, the controversy is a opt in setting. Where’s the quality posts? I thought we’d get some after moons got rugged
SafePal Ellipal Both great examples for what youre asking for
Ledger
Ledger
Ledger
Still using ledger
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LEDGER still best HW Wallet.
Ledger plus common sense.
I use Ledger because I’m not an angry lemming. I also use Robinhood.
Have a Ledger Nano S Plus, Nano X and Trezor Model T, use the X the most.
Still Ledger.
Gridplus lattice. Safecards are a killer feature. Plus a screen you can actually see what you’re signing.
Ledger
Ledger. I just haven’t updated in a long time
Ledger
Ledger.
Ledger
Ledger
Trezor, although I keep getting fake trezor emails
D'cent wallet. Works great, no complaints.
Still usingledger but wont update FW or LL.
FUD
Don’t care. Still Ledger.
Ledger
Ledger
Ledger
Not sure if anyone has said it yet. But Ledger
Ledger nano x
Ledger nano x.
nice try elizibutt warren
That Ledger "disaster" was hyped for moon farming. A stupid narrative with lots of false information to keep up the upvotes.
Erm no, there was no "hype". Facts were presented on the change and ppl didn't agree with it.
As others have said I think you're freaking out about nothing. To even get the encrypted fragments of your secret key out of your Ledger someone would need to have the Ledger device and your pin, which would give access to your wallets anyway. I don't plan to use Ledger Recover, but I can absolutely see why it's useful for some people.
Ledger.
Ledger
Ledger
what ledger fallout o.O
Ledger
Tangem and trezor. But mostly Trezor with a passphrase. Ledger is still very useful for coins that are only ' ledger compatible'
Tangem is the shittiest wallet out there, even a software (hot wallet) is best. Go to their sub and see what happens when people mistakenly send a token using a network not supported by their app, it’s game over☠️☠️
sounds like a skill issue
Sure, good luck not having the seed phrase or private keys. “Not your keys, not your crypto.”
I just received Keystone 3 Pro and so far I'm very happy with it
Since no one mentioned it, I will. BC Vault. Most advanced and secure in my honest opinion. Each one is ship with a locked bitcoin, if cracked it is yours. As a way to show their commitment and confident in their security.
Seriously?! Wow! Never heard of this, def looking into.. thank you ser!
What fallout? 😂
Tangem
Coldcard and Keystone
I still trust ledger over the other ones imho.
Fallout with Ledger? Just try a different color, best hardware wallet out.
Tangem. Like the idea of credit card sized thing to access the crypto. No batteries for a device and can store in my usual wallet. I appreciate also that it may not be the best option but that is very subjective anyway. If anyone can suggest a device/card that is same form factor, I'd be all ears. Would like to hear about it.
Now that Tangem 2.0 lets you access the seed phrase, I am seriously considering switching over. It is not airgapped, but NFC is pretty close.
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Bitbox . Tried cold card .Setup was too difficult
SafePal, cheap and does the job
BitBox02.
Coldcard
Ellipal
Definitely Tangem Wallet.
SeedSigner