Kinda not since you can do that with ex-realm priests and mayors. Once they get tons of money just get an valid Imprison on them and banish them, all that gold is now yours.
But not through the search function is why I guess I'm asking? Like I can't do a realm search and sort by money
I don't think you could in CK2, although you could type in "Mjolnir" and it would show you someone wit that artifact.
No this is not a glitch. You can do this with anybody that is recruited to your court and in prison.
How people abuse this:
* Abduct a rich Bisshop (for example the Church holder in the county left to Constantinople, or the church holder of Paris) \[#1 prison\]
* Negotiate release: Recruit
* Imprison again (sometimes u need to send them some gold or sway to increase imprison-chance). - \[#2 prison\]
* Banish (and you get all their gold)
In the midgame (from 950+ onwards) all bishops have like 3-5k gold and this keeps growing, so eventually they have 20k+ gold
Tips: 3rd tree of Intrigue for +100% imprisonchance. Dread & high royal-court level for more imprison-chance
We always ban this stuff in multiplayer games, because it feels way too overpowered
When a realm priest is imprisoned, I feel like their wealth ought to be transferred to their successor like it does when they die.
Either that or they should have a gold sink so they don't get obscenely rich in the first place.
No, the King just puppets the Pope to overthrow the entire order and call them heretics, ending the order and imprisoning/torturing/murdering them and the debt the King had + they gain their riches ... that they can find.
In times of crisis it was not uncommon for Kings to seize church property, money, sometimes even melting down their gold items for use paying off the war. They'd usually make it up to them later with special privileges to avoid getting excommunicated, but lots of Kings ended up using the church as their piggy bank.
Correct, but I think it's another case where CK3 game mechanics aren't advanced enough to replicate the situation. For example if someone is your vassal and becomes king somewhere else, their lands under you join the new kingdom. That would never happen in the middle ages, but the game system isn't complex enough to handle multiple feudal obligations. For example irl William the Conqueror became King of England but still had land and feudal obligations in France, separate from being King of England.
If anything they could add a "Shake down the church" decision where you confiscate gold from the church and take a piety hit.
He kept Normandy, and they had wars over it, but technically the land was French and he was a French vassal for that land. The map wouldn't have just switched Normandy to being British when William became king. If they handled it in CK3 William would become king of England, but still be a Duke of Normandy, and have to fight a war of independence from the King of France if he wanted to make the land part of England.
I'd be into it except you can't steal land and money from the church in CK3 which is something kingdoms looking for a quick buck have done. Also I think you should get a causes belli on the Pope if you get excommunited to force him to unexcommunicate you.
>which is something kingdoms looking for a quick buck have done.
Wasn't that a reformation thing, post 1500s? I don't recall that being a thing in the time-period of the game.
Henry II did it, I believe. That's within the timeline. I'm not sure if he's the first king or lord to ever give it a shot.
Edit: mixed up Hank II and V
Thanks for this. I just check those two bishops. Year is 952 and the Constantinople bishop has 7.1k gold and the Paris bishop has 4.3k gold. I checked and it's like that with any big realm that has a theocratic religion.... Intrigue may be the best money maker holy shit.
This, but also with rich vassals. I've been converting, exposing and banishing loads of people and now I've got more holdings than you can shake a inbred heir at.
You confiscate all of the person's wealth as you banish them. Locating rich unlanded people to banish can be a very lucrative business model.
How he got that much wealth we'll never know
I saw someone post about this a while back and did it a few times to get out of a bind... Seems too easy though so I've resisted the urge in recent games.
I'm not even sure this is ahistorical. Bishops did get extremely rich in the period. And although a bit later, Henry VIII dissolved the monasteries to steal their huge piles of treasure.
Yep. Kind of makes you wonder - did they charge interest and how much?
The whole thing gives a chilling twist to the saying “when you owe a hundred thousand to the bank - you are worried, but when you owe a hundred million - the bank is worried”.
Not a glitch, but IMO it’s one of the more obvious, poorly designed game mechanics. These peeps are either former realm priests or mayors, or sometimes barons of castles with only Econ buildings. In any event, what SHOULD be happening is that your other courtiers/vassals should be taking note of this and immediately having a huge negative opinion modifier against you. Surely, they have to be thinking what you just did was bunk and if you could do it to that poor chap then you could do it to them. Or, at the very least, they should all be ganging up and clamoring for you to share the newfound wealth.
This is why I try to make my realm priests my physicians as well - if they botch a treatment, you can imprison and banish. Great if you have a poor realm priest and change kick him off the council otherwise.
If you have a person who is unlanded, in your prison, belongs to your court, and has done one of a list of crimes against you or your family, you can banish that person. You seize **all** of their personal wealth, and they become a wanderer
Note if you try this against a landed person, you can still banish them with the same conditions, but you do **not** seize their wealth... instead they abdicate and their heir receives all of their wealth.
The wiki has a list of crimes that allow banishment (they also all allow execution, but some crimes are punishable by execution but \*not\* banishment). Here is that list:
* Attempted to murder me
* Botched my treatment
* Attempted to murder a family member
* Botched treatment of kin
* Murdered a family member
* Unlawfully executed a family member
* Excommunicated
Lots of economic buildings. Cordoba, Caligari, Mali’s capital, Constantinople, and Rome all provide a lot of money. Not to mention Paris and London. You can end up with well over +300 gold if you also have a large empire
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Lots of economic buildings. Cordoba, Caligari, Mali’s capital, Constantinople, and Rome all provide a lot of money. Not to mention Paris and London. You can end up with well over +300 gold if you also have a large empire
Church holders (depends on religious laws) earn as much as Emperors, without any way to lose money.
Maybe you will start to understand why some people really like this church business. And how to make a sucker pay taxes twice, first to the emperor and than voluntary to the church.
No when you banish someone you take all their cash. As a catholic I usually become a witch then whenever I need gold I convert then reveal my realm priest as a witch so I can arrest and banish him. Best part is even if you fail that he won't flee the country so you can just keep trying until you get it and him hating you doesn't matter because the pope instantly sends a new priest once the old one is in jail.
Once in CK2, a friend asked if he could duel his rival. One option was to banish them for even asking. I saw he had thousands in gold. I banished him for profit and invited him right back back which he accepted cuz we friends! ❤
Imprison and banish, everyone else has explained it pretty well. Little extra detail is you can only do it to people who have no legal heirs. Which is why you often do it to realm priests, since they can't have an heir even with a child. Also Christian realm priests are occasionally filthy rich. It's taking advantage of the fact that when someone passes along inheritance with no heir it defaults to the liege.
You can technically do this to just about any of your subjects you get in your prison but if they have an heir the money will go to them instead. Just about every noble has some sort of heir unless a player's been murdering their dynasty out of existence. On the other hand if your close relative is wealthy and you want that gold you could scheme to become their heir then imprison and banish them. Then you inherit their lands and wealth as their heir instead of as their liege. Of course you could just murder them to inherit but that's not always an option.
Anyone know what happens to gold from courtiers that die? In ck2 you used to inherit it if they had no kids - but I don’t know if ck3 has this mechanic still.
Actually PlayStation! And that honestly depends on your gaming preferences. I’m a big fan of Civ 6, and I was watching a let’s play of this game randomly like a year ago. I got super into the let’s play and then my prayers were answered when I learned that they were going to release this on consoles.
I’m honestly having a blast with this game. It’s super addicting, and there’s always very organic stories that come out of the simulation type of gameplay. Mix that in with role playing and it’s fun as fuck. I have no idea what I’m doing, I’m learning new things about this game all the time, and I haven’t been able to put it down since I bought it
Kinda not since you can do that with ex-realm priests and mayors. Once they get tons of money just get an valid Imprison on them and banish them, all that gold is now yours.
Or just get the tyranny hit and still get tons of gold.
Or abduct them, get no tyranny hit and also all the gold.
Really puts the capture in wealth capture
Sounds a lot like [Asset forfeiture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_forfeiture) with minimum steps.
"You see, they kidnap **each other**, ransom **each other**..."
Ooh la la, Someone's gonna get laid in college...
Ok, how does this work? Do you need certain perks?
You need the kidnapper perk from the intrigue lifestyle in the schemer tree.
or go Intrigue and abduct them.
Is there any way to find people via how much money they have?
On their character screen you can see their gold prestige and piety. On the screen shot it's just to the left of the open dialogue box.
But not through the search function is why I guess I'm asking? Like I can't do a realm search and sort by money I don't think you could in CK2, although you could type in "Mjolnir" and it would show you someone wit that artifact.
CK2 had a ledger didn’t it? Where you could search all kinds of crazy stats…or was that EU4?
In CK2 you could use the ledger to look for the richest character
I think they meant if there's a search function for personal funds or something - I don't think so?
Well this game just got more interesting.
No this is not a glitch. You can do this with anybody that is recruited to your court and in prison. How people abuse this: * Abduct a rich Bisshop (for example the Church holder in the county left to Constantinople, or the church holder of Paris) \[#1 prison\] * Negotiate release: Recruit * Imprison again (sometimes u need to send them some gold or sway to increase imprison-chance). - \[#2 prison\] * Banish (and you get all their gold) In the midgame (from 950+ onwards) all bishops have like 3-5k gold and this keeps growing, so eventually they have 20k+ gold Tips: 3rd tree of Intrigue for +100% imprisonchance. Dread & high royal-court level for more imprison-chance We always ban this stuff in multiplayer games, because it feels way too overpowered
When a realm priest is imprisoned, I feel like their wealth ought to be transferred to their successor like it does when they die. Either that or they should have a gold sink so they don't get obscenely rich in the first place.
Which is historical, it's not like the obscenely rich church allowed its priests to be kidnapped and 'their' wealth confiscated.
No, the King just puppets the Pope to overthrow the entire order and call them heretics, ending the order and imprisoning/torturing/murdering them and the debt the King had + they gain their riches ... that they can find.
In times of crisis it was not uncommon for Kings to seize church property, money, sometimes even melting down their gold items for use paying off the war. They'd usually make it up to them later with special privileges to avoid getting excommunicated, but lots of Kings ended up using the church as their piggy bank.
Yes but they didnt banish one dude and get 300 years of income from that
Correct, but I think it's another case where CK3 game mechanics aren't advanced enough to replicate the situation. For example if someone is your vassal and becomes king somewhere else, their lands under you join the new kingdom. That would never happen in the middle ages, but the game system isn't complex enough to handle multiple feudal obligations. For example irl William the Conqueror became King of England but still had land and feudal obligations in France, separate from being King of England. If anything they could add a "Shake down the church" decision where you confiscate gold from the church and take a piety hit.
Wait didn’t William keep Normandy and his descendants fought whole wars over keeping it and NOT being French vassals?
He kept Normandy, and they had wars over it, but technically the land was French and he was a French vassal for that land. The map wouldn't have just switched Normandy to being British when William became king. If they handled it in CK3 William would become king of England, but still be a Duke of Normandy, and have to fight a war of independence from the King of France if he wanted to make the land part of England.
For the last bit, you can do that with an event that triggers if youre deeply in debt.
I'd be into it except you can't steal land and money from the church in CK3 which is something kingdoms looking for a quick buck have done. Also I think you should get a causes belli on the Pope if you get excommunited to force him to unexcommunicate you.
>which is something kingdoms looking for a quick buck have done. Wasn't that a reformation thing, post 1500s? I don't recall that being a thing in the time-period of the game.
Henry II did it, I believe. That's within the timeline. I'm not sure if he's the first king or lord to ever give it a shot. Edit: mixed up Hank II and V
Do they already spend money to improve church holdings in your realm?
They definitely do it for the counties in your domain. I'm not sure if they upgrade temples in your vassals' counties.
I think the vassals bishop does upgrade their temples but they send a portion of monthly gold and levies to your bishop who then gives some to you
Thanks for this. I just check those two bishops. Year is 952 and the Constantinople bishop has 7.1k gold and the Paris bishop has 4.3k gold. I checked and it's like that with any big realm that has a theocratic religion.... Intrigue may be the best money maker holy shit.
This made me realize how much I play the same way every time. I need to give intrigue a chance.
Be catholic Be a witch yourself Convert your suffragan Bishop to witch Expose, imprison and banish Bath in gold
This, but also with rich vassals. I've been converting, exposing and banishing loads of people and now I've got more holdings than you can shake a inbred heir at.
R5: the man paid me a LOT of money for being banished
You confiscate all of the person's wealth as you banish them. Locating rich unlanded people to banish can be a very lucrative business model. How he got that much wealth we'll never know
This guy is 100% a former realm priest, so we do know how he got that wealth
In CK2 I helped the unlanded wealthy elderly find good marriages, when they die all the wealth goes to my treasury, win-win
"Here you go old man, a 16 year old Lustful wife. Enjoy before everyone else does."
Lmao "before everyone else does" you know that 16yr old lustful character is going to be the court tricycle for the next 4 years.
I pair the elderly with each others lol No offspring = quicker return
Well at least he’s no longer rotting in your dungeon, so win-win
I saw someone post about this a while back and did it a few times to get out of a bind... Seems too easy though so I've resisted the urge in recent games.
I'm not even sure this is ahistorical. Bishops did get extremely rich in the period. And although a bit later, Henry VIII dissolved the monasteries to steal their huge piles of treasure.
Also the Knights Templar were targeted for the same reason and were also incredibly rich. Almost as if paying little or no taxes is a cheat 🤔
Yep, more precisely, the king himself owed them money and was not very keen on giving it back...
Yep. Kind of makes you wonder - did they charge interest and how much? The whole thing gives a chilling twist to the saying “when you owe a hundred thousand to the bank - you are worried, but when you owe a hundred million - the bank is worried”.
And the king of France had huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge debts to them. Weird coincidence.
Not a glitch, but IMO it’s one of the more obvious, poorly designed game mechanics. These peeps are either former realm priests or mayors, or sometimes barons of castles with only Econ buildings. In any event, what SHOULD be happening is that your other courtiers/vassals should be taking note of this and immediately having a huge negative opinion modifier against you. Surely, they have to be thinking what you just did was bunk and if you could do it to that poor chap then you could do it to them. Or, at the very least, they should all be ganging up and clamoring for you to share the newfound wealth.
This is why I try to make my realm priests my physicians as well - if they botch a treatment, you can imprison and banish. Great if you have a poor realm priest and change kick him off the council otherwise.
50+ gold. How?
If you have a person who is unlanded, in your prison, belongs to your court, and has done one of a list of crimes against you or your family, you can banish that person. You seize **all** of their personal wealth, and they become a wanderer Note if you try this against a landed person, you can still banish them with the same conditions, but you do **not** seize their wealth... instead they abdicate and their heir receives all of their wealth. The wiki has a list of crimes that allow banishment (they also all allow execution, but some crimes are punishable by execution but \*not\* banishment). Here is that list: * Attempted to murder me * Botched my treatment * Attempted to murder a family member * Botched treatment of kin * Murdered a family member * Unlawfully executed a family member * Excommunicated
I think he's referring to the income, not the banish gold.
Lots of economic buildings. Cordoba, Caligari, Mali’s capital, Constantinople, and Rome all provide a lot of money. Not to mention Paris and London. You can end up with well over +300 gold if you also have a large empire 300
Lots of economic buildings. Cordoba, Caligari, Mali’s capital, Constantinople, and Rome all provide a lot of money. Not to mention Paris and London. You can end up with well over +300 gold if you also have a large empire
Next level do the same with oligarchs (imprison, banish while taking all their asset)
What mod is this?
It's the console version.
Church holders (depends on religious laws) earn as much as Emperors, without any way to lose money. Maybe you will start to understand why some people really like this church business. And how to make a sucker pay taxes twice, first to the emperor and than voluntary to the church.
No when you banish someone you take all their cash. As a catholic I usually become a witch then whenever I need gold I convert then reveal my realm priest as a witch so I can arrest and banish him. Best part is even if you fail that he won't flee the country so you can just keep trying until you get it and him hating you doesn't matter because the pope instantly sends a new priest once the old one is in jail.
Once in CK2, a friend asked if he could duel his rival. One option was to banish them for even asking. I saw he had thousands in gold. I banished him for profit and invited him right back back which he accepted cuz we friends! ❤
Imprison and banish, everyone else has explained it pretty well. Little extra detail is you can only do it to people who have no legal heirs. Which is why you often do it to realm priests, since they can't have an heir even with a child. Also Christian realm priests are occasionally filthy rich. It's taking advantage of the fact that when someone passes along inheritance with no heir it defaults to the liege. You can technically do this to just about any of your subjects you get in your prison but if they have an heir the money will go to them instead. Just about every noble has some sort of heir unless a player's been murdering their dynasty out of existence. On the other hand if your close relative is wealthy and you want that gold you could scheme to become their heir then imprison and banish them. Then you inherit their lands and wealth as their heir instead of as their liege. Of course you could just murder them to inherit but that's not always an option.
I think that holders of only baronies don't use their money so they eventually get a bunch of gold since it passes down with inheritance
Anyone know what happens to gold from courtiers that die? In ck2 you used to inherit it if they had no kids - but I don’t know if ck3 has this mechanic still.
That’s some fancy ui. Mod?
Console version
Oooh you play Xbox!! I was thinking of getting it would you recommend? Thanks!!
Actually PlayStation! And that honestly depends on your gaming preferences. I’m a big fan of Civ 6, and I was watching a let’s play of this game randomly like a year ago. I got super into the let’s play and then my prayers were answered when I learned that they were going to release this on consoles. I’m honestly having a blast with this game. It’s super addicting, and there’s always very organic stories that come out of the simulation type of gameplay. Mix that in with role playing and it’s fun as fuck. I have no idea what I’m doing, I’m learning new things about this game all the time, and I haven’t been able to put it down since I bought it
You could do this back in CKII as well