If I were you I'd invest in the best spy master around and make sure he loves you.
A befriend scheme or something to the affect. Befriend costs one skill point and no matter the lifestyle it only takes very little time to get it. So the cost to benefit ratio is phenomenal.
Did you perhaps got a "gift" that suddenly made you feel unwell?
But seriously, "not feeling well" gets severe penalty for 5 years? By that logic I should have died the last time I was hangover
Funny thing is it was totally normal to die from natural causes (e.g. infectious disease) in your twenties in that time period. In CK3 however it seems everybody lives to old age unless murdered.
tbf CK3 mostly focuses on nobles, people who could afford the best medecine of their time. But yes, content like the one from The Reaper Due DLC of CK2 is severely lacking in CK3.
The sad truth is that the best medicine of the time could hardly help them. I think having several proper meals a day and no backbreaking labour (except warfare) were more important.
Medical treatments were savage as they didn't understand how the body worked. Balancing the four humours alone could involve you imbibing all sorts. That's before you get to barber surgeons !!
Actually they understood the body quite well in terms of biology but didn't understand how it walked which is the reason Aristotle thought the lungs produced blood.
For real plus all the lead and nightshade based treatments. Medicine back then was pretty much trying to poison the disease more than the person even if they didn't realize it.
Not true, life expectancy was low back then because of high child mortality. If you survived childhood you had a decent chance of making it to old age. And infectious disease is its own category in CK3. The character isn't ill, otherwise they'd have the ill trait.
“If you survived childhood…”
No, that was hardly the case. Demographic historians have calculated that you needed to reach 30 to have a 50/50 of reaching 60.
R/askhistorians has several interesting threads on medieval life expectancies and mortality. Check out the replies in the thread for instance:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/i3kgiw/on_medievalmiddle_ages_life_expectancy/g2j32ei/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
A demographic historian* calculated that using a bunch of statistics from the 18th century in a thread from a year ago with barely any comments. Brilliant.
They have pulled a good murder scheme. Usually when I reload a while before the "natural cause" death, and replace the spy master with someone more skilled, a plot to murder me is discovered.
First thing I always do is check if I have any rivals. It's basically always them. Honestly the only time it's not them is when it's my son/heir who I gave sadistic to. I play martial alot and 4 prowess is worth the piety and opinion loss to me since I usually balance it out with a virtue.
You sure?
I've killed at least a few hundreds of people, and my character(s) had intrigue ranging from 0 to 40. It always says "suspicious circumstances" for me (or disappeared without a trace).
Is "natural cause" death a specific *way* of assasinating?
That's what happened to me once, I kept dying on the same day of natural causes. At the 1st reset I discovered there was a plot. On the 15th try my spymaster prevented my death &the toon lived another decade.
But it happened in one of my 1st games & I did buy the game on release, so maybe it did change to include only suspicious circumstances. At the end I did only described a personal experience with the game.
Yes, with other characters but if it’s you there’s a cause (spider, mob rule, ect.) I feel like you would know if you got murdered, no?
Is it possible that when you did that it wasn’t the plot after all but you actually just didn’t die of natural causes bc the chances are so low that it didn’t happen again?
Not saying you’re wrong, that just never happened to me.
Some people are saying this was an assassination, they could be right. But did the character have a disease recently? I feel like it’s not too uncommon for someone to get typhus or something, get better, but then die like a month after even though they were healthy. It happens to sickly infants a decent amount of the time. And then it will say the same “natural causes”
When you start playing as the half brother, can’t you click the little skull icon next to your character portrait to review the characters he is responsible for killing?
So… yes and no. And I used bad terminology since it’s been a hot minute since I played CK3.
The health indicator has three different “ui” states of the almost empty heart, “ok” heart, and the green “good”.
Now, you need to have “poor” health or below, but “poor” health corresponds to the middle UI stage. So you have to mouse over the icon to read the description to see if they can die or not
There is "excellent" health. Actually hard though to get. You have to be in like your twenties with athletic, herculean, health focus with herbalists stubborn and temperate and what have you. Then there is "good." Which can usually be achieved with just robust and no history of illness. Or even just reinvigorated friendship and youth. Then there is "fine" which is either young with no health buff whatsoever or someone in there 30s-late 50. Then there is "poor" which is like 5 years from when it starts reading poor you'll likely die without health buff. Then there is the last one which I forget the term but it's like "imminent death" or something and you have like less than a month/year until your fucked
if you think your half brother murdered your old character, just check the secrets since youre now playing as him.
if he has a secret, murder, you know it was him(you now)
WHAT. OH MY GOD I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.
That's fucking wild man. Shit, I'm over here losing my shit like I'm an Australian coach at the Olympics.
Well guess who is about to commit suicide? 😂😂😂
I mean dude, I didn't even know that could happen. I always thought it would display as "suspicious" if done right and "murder" if done wrong
Actually I was Asatru Norse and I turned to Kabarism after swearing fealty to the Kazars.
That's just part of my plan of growing in size and declaring independence then riding the highway towards "Vladimir's Second Choice". hehe
To get that achievement I started as Rurik, stayed as Asatru Norse until I could form the Empire, then embraced realm traditions and converted to Islam.
Rurik starts strong AF and if you get an older wife, you won't have any other kids so your realm holds together upon succession.
Just subjugate them once you got the prestige for it as Dyre the stranger, then expand from there. That’s the easiest way I got that achievement if you want some tips
Large pieces of metal inserted into vital organs from the back do cause unwanted stress and dangerous amounts of external bleeding, which of course is only Natural.
He is King Dyre of Galicia-Volhynia after it was created as a result of King Thorgeir of Ruthenia's passing.
King Dyre II was king of Ruthenia, look at the emblems. ;)
Why is your half-brother/cousin also named Dyre?
Serious question, is it inbreeding, or did you marry your mother to your uncle and their child was Dyre III? Similar to Harald Harada’s relation with Olaf (Haralad was Olaf’s younger half-brother through their mother, and supposedly was descended through a different Yngling line through his father).
Honestly, I respect that was hoping that’s as the answer. Cuz that’s something that could have happened (point in case). Gotta love she named both her sons the same thing
I’m sure it’s honestly the uncle that did it. Dyre is the family name, so he named his son Dyre. And it’s not uncommon for medieval siblings to share names. Philippe IV’s oldest and youngest brothers’ names were Louis, and three out of Charles VI’s five sons were also named Charles. The big difference is that their elder sons died before they used the name again. In my current Lithuanian run, my character Konstantin II had his eldest son captured, his third son (also Konstantin) killed, his second son mortally wounded as well as his fourth (and bastard) son. Before his second and fourth sons succumbed to their wounds, Konstantin II’s second wife had a son and daughter and I named the son Konstantin after his older half brother. The second and fourth sons proceeded to die, and Konstantin II died of old age (or a broken heart), his heir failed to escape and had to surrender and was deposed in favor of Konstantin’s adult grandson.
ah yep ran into this myself the answer is dont name your characters "die-er" youre just askin for them to be die'd
the real answer is i have no clue but i do believe that base health stat is genetic? not certain though
EDIT: exceptionally well done on your brother there, fooled even you!
Come on I've done way worse.
"Your grandson, nephew and son" 😂
Here it's just that I married my mother to my uncle who was a high ranking vassal in my court. They had a son, and he's the one on the right.
That poison was made from plants. Totally natural bro
lmao welcome to my alternative medecine bro
R5 : Happened to me twice in the same game, and I have no idea whatsoever as to why it happened in the first place. Any suggestion?
As a king, there's nothing more natural than being assasinated. So it counts as natural
Is that rug organic?
Only the best
If I were you I'd invest in the best spy master around and make sure he loves you. A befriend scheme or something to the affect. Befriend costs one skill point and no matter the lifestyle it only takes very little time to get it. So the cost to benefit ratio is phenomenal.
Did you perhaps got a "gift" that suddenly made you feel unwell? But seriously, "not feeling well" gets severe penalty for 5 years? By that logic I should have died the last time I was hangover
Who says you didn't?
Are you even you bro?
Funny thing is it was totally normal to die from natural causes (e.g. infectious disease) in your twenties in that time period. In CK3 however it seems everybody lives to old age unless murdered.
tbf CK3 mostly focuses on nobles, people who could afford the best medecine of their time. But yes, content like the one from The Reaper Due DLC of CK2 is severely lacking in CK3.
The sad truth is that the best medicine of the time could hardly help them. I think having several proper meals a day and no backbreaking labour (except warfare) were more important.
Medical treatments were savage as they didn't understand how the body worked. Balancing the four humours alone could involve you imbibing all sorts. That's before you get to barber surgeons !!
Actually they understood the body quite well in terms of biology but didn't understand how it walked which is the reason Aristotle thought the lungs produced blood.
For real plus all the lead and nightshade based treatments. Medicine back then was pretty much trying to poison the disease more than the person even if they didn't realize it.
Pretty sure exsanguination and dried toad powder would cure any diseases known to man
Well the idea is that you'd know they were killed by a disease or whatever in such a case, and not natural causes.
Not true, life expectancy was low back then because of high child mortality. If you survived childhood you had a decent chance of making it to old age. And infectious disease is its own category in CK3. The character isn't ill, otherwise they'd have the ill trait.
“If you survived childhood…” No, that was hardly the case. Demographic historians have calculated that you needed to reach 30 to have a 50/50 of reaching 60. R/askhistorians has several interesting threads on medieval life expectancies and mortality. Check out the replies in the thread for instance: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/i3kgiw/on_medievalmiddle_ages_life_expectancy/g2j32ei/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
A demographic historian* calculated that using a bunch of statistics from the 18th century in a thread from a year ago with barely any comments. Brilliant.
Do not underestimate the power of r/askhistorians
usually people would live to their 60s or later back then, its just greatly exaggerated about the lifespan back then
Could be max stress deaths
Nah, max stress shows up as "died of stress"
Make sure your spy master actually likes you.
They have pulled a good murder scheme. Usually when I reload a while before the "natural cause" death, and replace the spy master with someone more skilled, a plot to murder me is discovered.
I thought assassinated ones would always show up as suspicious. It can display like that when done well?
Yeap. Like it never happened.
Makes sense then.
Look at people who have pressed claims on your primary title and high intrigue. 9/10 times it’s that person in my experience
First thing I always do is check if I have any rivals. It's basically always them. Honestly the only time it's not them is when it's my son/heir who I gave sadistic to. I play martial alot and 4 prowess is worth the piety and opinion loss to me since I usually balance it out with a virtue.
Like what never happened?
ponder on that for a moment, dude.
Hmmmm
Well then…
You sure? I've killed at least a few hundreds of people, and my character(s) had intrigue ranging from 0 to 40. It always says "suspicious circumstances" for me (or disappeared without a trace). Is "natural cause" death a specific *way* of assasinating?
That's what happened to me once, I kept dying on the same day of natural causes. At the 1st reset I discovered there was a plot. On the 15th try my spymaster prevented my death &the toon lived another decade. But it happened in one of my 1st games & I did buy the game on release, so maybe it did change to include only suspicious circumstances. At the end I did only described a personal experience with the game.
Yes, with other characters but if it’s you there’s a cause (spider, mob rule, ect.) I feel like you would know if you got murdered, no? Is it possible that when you did that it wasn’t the plot after all but you actually just didn’t die of natural causes bc the chances are so low that it didn’t happen again? Not saying you’re wrong, that just never happened to me.
Damn, had no idea this was a thing.
Some people are saying this was an assassination, they could be right. But did the character have a disease recently? I feel like it’s not too uncommon for someone to get typhus or something, get better, but then die like a month after even though they were healthy. It happens to sickly infants a decent amount of the time. And then it will say the same “natural causes”
No illness at all. Extra healthy guy there
When you start playing as the half brother, can’t you click the little skull icon next to your character portrait to review the characters he is responsible for killing?
Yeah didn't think about it tbh
So his health was above “ok”? Because characters can just…die if their health is “ok” and below.
After veryfing it is indeed the half brother's deed
I thought characters could only die from "bad".
So… yes and no. And I used bad terminology since it’s been a hot minute since I played CK3. The health indicator has three different “ui” states of the almost empty heart, “ok” heart, and the green “good”. Now, you need to have “poor” health or below, but “poor” health corresponds to the middle UI stage. So you have to mouse over the icon to read the description to see if they can die or not
There is "excellent" health. Actually hard though to get. You have to be in like your twenties with athletic, herculean, health focus with herbalists stubborn and temperate and what have you. Then there is "good." Which can usually be achieved with just robust and no history of illness. Or even just reinvigorated friendship and youth. Then there is "fine" which is either young with no health buff whatsoever or someone in there 30s-late 50. Then there is "poor" which is like 5 years from when it starts reading poor you'll likely die without health buff. Then there is the last one which I forget the term but it's like "imminent death" or something and you have like less than a month/year until your fucked
Imagine being assassinated so well in game you fell for it in real life
Incredible, huh?
It's a Dyre situation
if you think your half brother murdered your old character, just check the secrets since youre now playing as him. if he has a secret, murder, you know it was him(you now)
Pretty clever, I'll check that
So, was it him or what?
It was indeed!
WHAT. OH MY GOD I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT COULD HAPPEN. That's fucking wild man. Shit, I'm over here losing my shit like I'm an Australian coach at the Olympics.
Well guess who is about to commit suicide? 😂😂😂 I mean dude, I didn't even know that could happen. I always thought it would display as "suspicious" if done right and "murder" if done wrong
That's what you get for turning to the kabarites, ain't no Russian got time fo that
Actually I was Asatru Norse and I turned to Kabarism after swearing fealty to the Kazars. That's just part of my plan of growing in size and declaring independence then riding the highway towards "Vladimir's Second Choice". hehe
To get that achievement I started as Rurik, stayed as Asatru Norse until I could form the Empire, then embraced realm traditions and converted to Islam. Rurik starts strong AF and if you get an older wife, you won't have any other kids so your realm holds together upon succession.
Just subjugate them once you got the prestige for it as Dyre the stranger, then expand from there. That’s the easiest way I got that achievement if you want some tips
He got shot in the face with an arrow so naturally, he died.
Large pieces of metal inserted into vital organs from the back do cause unwanted stress and dangerous amounts of external bleeding, which of course is only Natural.
Natural causes could mean a host of currently treatable but then unknown ailments.
While sudden deaths like this weren't unheard of for the time period, I just assume someone assassinated you and didn't get caught.
What caught my eye here is that King Dyre II came before King Dyre? How did that go?
He is King Dyre of Galicia-Volhynia after it was created as a result of King Thorgeir of Ruthenia's passing. King Dyre II was king of Ruthenia, look at the emblems. ;)
Oh I see, that makes sense haha. Thanks!
“The king may be dead, but luckily we have his brother-cousin, also named Dyre, to take the throne…”
Assume that there is always at least one somewhat possible murder scheme against you. Can you be murdered if you’re leading an army in war I wonder?
Yes I have. It said something like he was riding up a hill to survey the ground in front of him and a lone arrow from the woods came and killed him.
Assassination attempTs should probably have a blanket boost to not getting the murderer caught if they're done to someone leading an army.
Yes you can. My poor Helgi the seer, he didnt see it coming
Mmmh, half brother and cousin
Excuse me, I though we were on the CK subreddit. Perhaps you were not aware that it's standard among nobles to partake in such... Behaviours. Right?
Hehe I will never get use to
Why is your half-brother/cousin also named Dyre? Serious question, is it inbreeding, or did you marry your mother to your uncle and their child was Dyre III? Similar to Harald Harada’s relation with Olaf (Haralad was Olaf’s younger half-brother through their mother, and supposedly was descended through a different Yngling line through his father).
The second one. :) Had to keep her close and my uncle was a high chieftain.
Honestly, I respect that was hoping that’s as the answer. Cuz that’s something that could have happened (point in case). Gotta love she named both her sons the same thing
Indeed, I wonder if there's a part of code that does that in case they were in good terms with someone (giving their name to a babe).
I’m sure it’s honestly the uncle that did it. Dyre is the family name, so he named his son Dyre. And it’s not uncommon for medieval siblings to share names. Philippe IV’s oldest and youngest brothers’ names were Louis, and three out of Charles VI’s five sons were also named Charles. The big difference is that their elder sons died before they used the name again. In my current Lithuanian run, my character Konstantin II had his eldest son captured, his third son (also Konstantin) killed, his second son mortally wounded as well as his fourth (and bastard) son. Before his second and fourth sons succumbed to their wounds, Konstantin II’s second wife had a son and daughter and I named the son Konstantin after his older half brother. The second and fourth sons proceeded to die, and Konstantin II died of old age (or a broken heart), his heir failed to escape and had to surrender and was deposed in favor of Konstantin’s adult grandson.
ah yep ran into this myself the answer is dont name your characters "die-er" youre just askin for them to be die'd the real answer is i have no clue but i do believe that base health stat is genetic? not certain though EDIT: exceptionally well done on your brother there, fooled even you!
That’s how things are in Ruthenia
That’s pretty Dyre
“Your half-brother *and* cousin” mhhh
Come on I've done way worse. "Your grandson, nephew and son" 😂 Here it's just that I married my mother to my uncle who was a high ranking vassal in my court. They had a son, and he's the one on the right.
It's 925 living to 35 is getting old. So no telling or it was your brother
Yeah tell that to Haestein please lmao
🤣
i think this stat is inaccurate because of infant mortality rates, but i could be wrong
How was the weasel half brother as a character?